|
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by yungchrollo on Apr 20, 2021 21:48:47 GMT 1, If you check the people opening their own "gallery stores" selling almost exclusively Hebru and Kayla Mahaffey.... you will notice they are often AP runs for low edition old prints.... Don't think you could get those unless you were FNF. That being said, those gallery stores usually charger higher than secondary (Ebay, recent auction results)
If you check the people opening their own "gallery stores" selling almost exclusively Hebru and Kayla Mahaffey.... you will notice they are often AP runs for low edition old prints.... Don't think you could get those unless you were FNF. That being said, those gallery stores usually charger higher than secondary (Ebay, recent auction results)
|
|
|
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by Ned Flanders on Apr 20, 2021 21:55:57 GMT 1, Do people actually buy art because of the artist’s skin colour? Very weird thing to do.
Do people actually buy art because of the artist’s skin colour? Very weird thing to do.
|
|
LJCal
Junior Member
🗨️ 2,983
👍🏻 4,523
December 2019
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by LJCal on Apr 20, 2021 22:06:26 GMT 1, What I find funny is artists who complain that people are flipping their work, fast forward two years (when nobody gives a tupence fuck about them) and they'll wish people were flipping their work.
What I find funny is artists who complain that people are flipping their work, fast forward two years (when nobody gives a tupence fuck about them) and they'll wish people were flipping their work.
|
|
jimmyjam
New Member
🗨️ 578
👍🏻 546
October 2019
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by jimmyjam on Apr 20, 2021 22:27:20 GMT 1, These jerks talk about people flipping art - when they know their galleries are manipulating the hell out of the originals at auctions... by the way - all the galleries that represent them... owned by rich American white families...
I do find it racist and ridiculous he points out Chinese and Europeans when all his stuff at comic con - i mean complex con is in the US - and all bought up by sneakerheads who flip that shit silly the next second on ebay. They are in line with the items and also making a post on ebay at the same time! Ha!
Honestly I think most of these new artists are seeing their markets peak and are now getting pissy with everyone. Hebru's market peaked years ago in my opinion. Unfortunately these american galleries milked the crap out of these guys way too soon. These artist knew this tho. So what's the big deal?
I think Hebru will really regret posting that post. I thought a lot of his market was in China?
Oh let's not forget Kehinde Wiley using Chinese workers to make his originals....
nymag.com/arts/art/rules/kehinde-wiley-2012-4/
These jerks talk about people flipping art - when they know their galleries are manipulating the hell out of the originals at auctions... by the way - all the galleries that represent them... owned by rich American white families... I do find it racist and ridiculous he points out Chinese and Europeans when all his stuff at comic con - i mean complex con is in the US - and all bought up by sneakerheads who flip that shit silly the next second on ebay. They are in line with the items and also making a post on ebay at the same time! Ha! Honestly I think most of these new artists are seeing their markets peak and are now getting pissy with everyone. Hebru's market peaked years ago in my opinion. Unfortunately these american galleries milked the crap out of these guys way too soon. These artist knew this tho. So what's the big deal? I think Hebru will really regret posting that post. I thought a lot of his market was in China? Oh let's not forget Kehinde Wiley using Chinese workers to make his originals.... nymag.com/arts/art/rules/kehinde-wiley-2012-4/ |
|
kalm
Junior Member
🗨️ 1,005
👍🏻 356
November 2010
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by kalm on Apr 21, 2021 15:16:32 GMT 1, I agree with him but anyone charging over $500 for a giclee is price gouging.
I agree with him but anyone charging over $500 for a giclee is price gouging.
|
|
|
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by Charlie Bronson on Apr 21, 2021 15:43:48 GMT 1, Always thought of this guy’s work as garbage. Still do.
Always thought of this guy’s work as garbage. Still do.
|
|
|
|
vernaxley
New Member
🗨️ 277
👍🏻 138
September 2014
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by vernaxley on Apr 21, 2021 17:06:09 GMT 1, Lot of artists would kill to be in a position where they sell out their editions and create a secondary market.
If you dislike flippers, then the answer is simple: don't sell limited editions.
Lot of artists would kill to be in a position where they sell out their editions and create a secondary market.
If you dislike flippers, then the answer is simple: don't sell limited editions.
|
|
ca
Junior Member
🗨️ 1,925
👍🏻 2,375
March 2011
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by ca on Apr 21, 2021 18:46:37 GMT 1, You all realize those Hirst editions from Heni are giclees, right? I would have believed that after all these years you could have noticed some difference between a Hirst photographic work/print [that btw is a Laminated Giclée print on aluminium composite panel] and a Hebru Brantley giclee on paper of a drawing of a kid on a plane or with his willie out.
samesame
You all realize those Hirst editions from Heni are giclees, right? I would have believed that after all these years you could have noticed some difference between a Hirst photographic work/print [that btw is a Laminated Giclée print on aluminium composite panel] and a Hebru Brantley giclee on paper of a drawing of a kid on a plane or with his willie out. samesame |
|
LJCal
Junior Member
🗨️ 2,983
👍🏻 4,523
December 2019
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by LJCal on Apr 21, 2021 19:37:36 GMT 1, He actually charged $1,200+ for the giclee of the airplane! I call it scam. Ridiculous. You all realize those Hirst editions from Heni are giclees, right?
He actually charged $1,200+ for the giclee of the airplane! I call it scam. Ridiculous. You all realize those Hirst editions from Heni are giclees, right? The man makes a very valid point, I must say I've not enjoyed any of the Henis I have owned, probably why they are purely for flipping and probably only 1 in 5 make it out of the box. |
|
Jaylove
Junior Member
🗨️ 1,599
👍🏻 1,073
November 2016
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by Jaylove on Apr 22, 2021 4:31:21 GMT 1, Perhaps if his art wasn't utter dogshit people wouldn't flip it, the fact that he thinks he has a legacy made me chuckle. Also not quite sure his probiem with Europeans and Asians as they pretty much make up his entite market.
Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from.
Perhaps if his art wasn't utter dogshit people wouldn't flip it, the fact that he thinks he has a legacy made me chuckle. Also not quite sure his probiem with Europeans and Asians as they pretty much make up his entite market. Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from. |
|
|
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by Jimini Cricket on Apr 22, 2021 4:45:04 GMT 1, www.phillips.com/Video?VideoId=21789
This European capitalised on African art.
But you gotta wonder, who are paying those prices?
It's really murky. Could be rigged to justify higher prices at primary.
www.phillips.com/Video?VideoId=21789This European capitalised on African art. But you gotta wonder, who are paying those prices? It's really murky. Could be rigged to justify higher prices at primary.
|
|
jimmyjam
New Member
🗨️ 578
👍🏻 546
October 2019
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by jimmyjam on Apr 22, 2021 6:55:35 GMT 1, Perhaps if his art wasn't utter dogshit people wouldn't flip it, the fact that he thinks he has a legacy made me chuckle. Also not quite sure his probiem with Europeans and Asians as they pretty much make up his entite market. Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from.
What about all those people who flip Murakami and Nara that use asian/Japanese superflat movement images and culture...
I think once you partake in complexcon multiple times - selling items you know will be flipped by anyone on eBay... this statement is bs. He’s part of flipping and he knows it. If he wants to call anyone out he should call out the big galleries who are really manipulating prices at extreme levels - but he doesn’t have the guts to do that. It will kill his career in a second so he goes after race...
Perhaps if his art wasn't utter dogshit people wouldn't flip it, the fact that he thinks he has a legacy made me chuckle. Also not quite sure his probiem with Europeans and Asians as they pretty much make up his entite market. Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from. What about all those people who flip Murakami and Nara that use asian/Japanese superflat movement images and culture... I think once you partake in complexcon multiple times - selling items you know will be flipped by anyone on eBay... this statement is bs. He’s part of flipping and he knows it. If he wants to call anyone out he should call out the big galleries who are really manipulating prices at extreme levels - but he doesn’t have the guts to do that. It will kill his career in a second so he goes after race... |
|
LJCal
Junior Member
🗨️ 2,983
👍🏻 4,523
December 2019
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by LJCal on Apr 22, 2021 9:04:53 GMT 1, Perhaps if his art wasn't utter dogshit people wouldn't flip it, the fact that he thinks he has a legacy made me chuckle. Also not quite sure his probiem with Europeans and Asians as they pretty much make up his entite market. Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from.
I think you missed the point. His art is crap, how can you call what he does African imagery? I’m really not sure what this has to do with race, the fact is people flip art from artists from all ethnic backgrounds. If artists are going to get precious about it and insult the people who actually pay money for their art then I’d suggest being a commercial artist is not for them.
Perhaps if his art wasn't utter dogshit people wouldn't flip it, the fact that he thinks he has a legacy made me chuckle. Also not quite sure his probiem with Europeans and Asians as they pretty much make up his entite market. Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from. I think you missed the point. His art is crap, how can you call what he does African imagery? I’m really not sure what this has to do with race, the fact is people flip art from artists from all ethnic backgrounds. If artists are going to get precious about it and insult the people who actually pay money for their art then I’d suggest being a commercial artist is not for them. |
|
|
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by Happy Shopper on Apr 22, 2021 9:29:36 GMT 1, Perhaps if his art wasn't utter dogshit people wouldn't flip it, the fact that he thinks he has a legacy made me chuckle. Also not quite sure his probiem with Europeans and Asians as they pretty much make up his entite market. Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from.
This is such a tricky subject, but I have to admit I find it slightly ridiculous to make it about race.
It's just the art market.
People buy and sell all sorts of art, for all sorts of reasons... but mostly profit.
Would it be OK for black collectors to flip the work because they understand it better? Or would black collectors never flip it? Both these ideas are clearly wrong. Collectors are collectors and flippers flip. Their colour doesn't come into it.
And to equate it to BLM, or exploiting black people, just smacks of someone with an over-inflated opinion of their work's importance. If there's demand for their work, great, but other people are going to look to profit from it too. That's just a fact of life for all successful artists.
Perhaps if his art wasn't utter dogshit people wouldn't flip it, the fact that he thinks he has a legacy made me chuckle. Also not quite sure his probiem with Europeans and Asians as they pretty much make up his entite market. Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from. This is such a tricky subject, but I have to admit I find it slightly ridiculous to make it about race. It's just the art market. People buy and sell all sorts of art, for all sorts of reasons... but mostly profit. Would it be OK for black collectors to flip the work because they understand it better? Or would black collectors never flip it? Both these ideas are clearly wrong. Collectors are collectors and flippers flip. Their colour doesn't come into it. And to equate it to BLM, or exploiting black people, just smacks of someone with an over-inflated opinion of their work's importance. If there's demand for their work, great, but other people are going to look to profit from it too. That's just a fact of life for all successful artists. |
|
|
|
Reader
Junior Member
🗨️ 1,272
👍🏻 2,833
June 2016
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by Reader on Apr 22, 2021 10:37:07 GMT 1, Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from. I think you missed the point. His art is crap, how can you call what he does African imagery? I’m really not sure what this has to do with race, the fact is people flip art from artists from all ethnic backgrounds. If artists are going to get precious about it and insult the people who actually pay money for their art then I’d suggest being a commercial artist is not for them.
Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from. I think you missed the point. His art is crap, how can you call what he does African imagery? I’m really not sure what this has to do with race, the fact is people flip art from artists from all ethnic backgrounds. If artists are going to get precious about it and insult the people who actually pay money for their art then I’d suggest being a commercial artist is not for them. If you're opening or joining a discussion about race is "I’m really not sure what this has to do with race but..."..maybe you should consider framing that part as a question. |
|
Reader
Junior Member
🗨️ 1,272
👍🏻 2,833
June 2016
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by Reader on Apr 22, 2021 10:48:11 GMT 1, 
For the record, the original post is from Basil Kincaid. This is his philosophy. Whether it is Hebru's is another matter. I imagine he's never heard it said before and it chimed with something that's been eating at him.
www.instagram.com/basilkincaid
I have works in my collection that I got for hundreds of dollars. A couple of those works are now worth 5 figures easy but you don’t see me running to cash in.
•
A lot of people got the idea of investing in art all backwards. If you fuck with black art and black artists ideally you’re investing so that we can help build the vision of a better future reality than the one we currently share.
•
If you’re in black art to profit off of our labor and exploit our genius then you are literally a reflection of everything we’re fighting against.
•
This is why I’m so picky with who gets my original work.
•
Fuck the money. Align yourself with collectors that believe in your journey and contributions to culture.
•
To the artists reading this. Research who’s getting your work and know that all money ain’t good money. Align with people that really believe in you and want to support your life as an artist.
For the record, the original post is from Basil Kincaid. This is his philosophy. Whether it is Hebru's is another matter. I imagine he's never heard it said before and it chimed with something that's been eating at him. www.instagram.com/basilkincaidI have works in my collection that I got for hundreds of dollars. A couple of those works are now worth 5 figures easy but you don’t see me running to cash in. • A lot of people got the idea of investing in art all backwards. If you fuck with black art and black artists ideally you’re investing so that we can help build the vision of a better future reality than the one we currently share. • If you’re in black art to profit off of our labor and exploit our genius then you are literally a reflection of everything we’re fighting against. • This is why I’m so picky with who gets my original work. • Fuck the money. Align yourself with collectors that believe in your journey and contributions to culture. • To the artists reading this. Research who’s getting your work and know that all money ain’t good money. Align with people that really believe in you and want to support your life as an artist. |
|
NYart
Junior Member
🗨️ 1,221
👍🏻 844
January 2016
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by NYart on Apr 22, 2021 11:16:03 GMT 1, I’d argue the two of them are fortunate to be at places in their careers where they’re able to be picky over who they sell to. Good for them if they can use that to achieve whatever vision they see for their work, community etc. But it’s pretty bad advice for the 99% of artists who haven’t made it, and struggle to get by. Not really fair of him to ask that of artists whom he has no idea of their situations.
I think he also greatly over estimates the amount of money spent on art by people who love it and want to keep it forever. Even the 1% that could afford to buy all the art they want and keep it forever don’t. They didn’t reach that level of wealth by letting emotion and sentiment get in the way of their investing and profits. I intend on keeping a lot of my collection forever, as I don’t see it happening with many pieces, but if they reach a point where they’re worth more than I like them, there’s no reason not to sell. Also again not really fair of him to expect everyone to keep everything forever if selling could improve their situations. He’s fortunate that he can’t see a scenario where he’d ever need to..
If he got his way there’d be millions of artists sitting on piles of work with very few buyers.
I’d argue the two of them are fortunate to be at places in their careers where they’re able to be picky over who they sell to. Good for them if they can use that to achieve whatever vision they see for their work, community etc. But it’s pretty bad advice for the 99% of artists who haven’t made it, and struggle to get by. Not really fair of him to ask that of artists whom he has no idea of their situations.
I think he also greatly over estimates the amount of money spent on art by people who love it and want to keep it forever. Even the 1% that could afford to buy all the art they want and keep it forever don’t. They didn’t reach that level of wealth by letting emotion and sentiment get in the way of their investing and profits. I intend on keeping a lot of my collection forever, as I don’t see it happening with many pieces, but if they reach a point where they’re worth more than I like them, there’s no reason not to sell. Also again not really fair of him to expect everyone to keep everything forever if selling could improve their situations. He’s fortunate that he can’t see a scenario where he’d ever need to..
If he got his way there’d be millions of artists sitting on piles of work with very few buyers.
|
|
LJCal
Junior Member
🗨️ 2,983
👍🏻 4,523
December 2019
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by LJCal on Apr 22, 2021 11:23:40 GMT 1, For the record, the original post is from Basil Kincaid. This is his philosophy. Whether it is Hebru's is another matter. I imagine he's never heard it said before and it chimed with something that's been eating at him. www.instagram.com/basilkincaidI have works in my collection that I got for hundreds of dollars. A couple of those works are now worth 5 figures easy but you don’t see me running to cash in. • A lot of people got the idea of investing in art all backwards. If you fuck with black art and black artists ideally you’re investing so that we can help build the vision of a better future reality than the one we currently share. • If you’re in black art to profit off of our labor and exploit our genius then you are literally a reflection of everything we’re fighting against. • This is why I’m so picky with who gets my original work. • Fuck the money. Align yourself with collectors that believe in your journey and contributions to culture. • To the artists reading this. Research who’s getting your work and know that all money ain’t good money. Align with people that really believe in you and want to support your life as an artist.
He can’t be that picky, you can buy his original work quite easily for a few thousand dollars. Some are even up on Artsy where he has the grand total of 330 followers. Think this guy is a little bit deluded about his own importance and worrying about a problem that doesn’t really exist for him.
For the record, the original post is from Basil Kincaid. This is his philosophy. Whether it is Hebru's is another matter. I imagine he's never heard it said before and it chimed with something that's been eating at him. www.instagram.com/basilkincaidI have works in my collection that I got for hundreds of dollars. A couple of those works are now worth 5 figures easy but you don’t see me running to cash in. • A lot of people got the idea of investing in art all backwards. If you fuck with black art and black artists ideally you’re investing so that we can help build the vision of a better future reality than the one we currently share. • If you’re in black art to profit off of our labor and exploit our genius then you are literally a reflection of everything we’re fighting against. • This is why I’m so picky with who gets my original work. • Fuck the money. Align yourself with collectors that believe in your journey and contributions to culture. • To the artists reading this. Research who’s getting your work and know that all money ain’t good money. Align with people that really believe in you and want to support your life as an artist. He can’t be that picky, you can buy his original work quite easily for a few thousand dollars. Some are even up on Artsy where he has the grand total of 330 followers. Think this guy is a little bit deluded about his own importance and worrying about a problem that doesn’t really exist for him. |
|
|
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by Happy Shopper on Apr 22, 2021 12:07:29 GMT 1, Is it just me or is this guy talking total crap? "If you fuck with black art and black artists..." What on earth does that mean? Does he think buying art from black artists is f*cking with them?
In this context "Fuck with" means "Buy from" / "Interact with".
It's like "Bad" meaning "Good" in the 80s.
I know. Confusing.
Is it just me or is this guy talking total crap? "If you fuck with black art and black artists..." What on earth does that mean? Does he think buying art from black artists is f*cking with them? In this context "Fuck with" means "Buy from" / "Interact with". It's like "Bad" meaning "Good" in the 80s. I know. Confusing. |
|
jimmyjam
New Member
🗨️ 578
👍🏻 546
October 2019
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by jimmyjam on Apr 22, 2021 12:50:27 GMT 1, Lots of outspoken BLM artist have been totally silent during the Stop Asian hate movement. Hebru and Jammie Holmes and bunch of these artists have been dead silent during this movement. To add the Chinese part is really not ok. It’s a racist statement from uneducated artists who are asking for equality but are ironically racist themselves.
Many of these artists have also been riding the BLM movement and treating collectors like shit as well - of all colors. All these $12-17k prints these artist/ are setting for themselves with their galleries - after only breaking out less than a year... give me a break. These guys are milking it more than anyone else and many are just making the same art over and over. Nothing new.
Many of the BLM artist have made a fortune off this movement thinking they are owed... I’m sorry but then pay the older African American artists who missed out for decades. Hand them the money... these young artist are not owed anything... no matter what color. Honestly I have found Native American artists, Hispanic artists and Muslim artists being more forgot and ignored than anyone.
Calling out your biggest market is probably not the smartest thing for any artist. China can easily ban him and they will - if he continues to call them out. That will kill his market or any new artist in a second. It’s incredibly stupid to call out China and all of Europe for any artist - of any color.
Lots of outspoken BLM artist have been totally silent during the Stop Asian hate movement. Hebru and Jammie Holmes and bunch of these artists have been dead silent during this movement. To add the Chinese part is really not ok. It’s a racist statement from uneducated artists who are asking for equality but are ironically racist themselves.
Many of these artists have also been riding the BLM movement and treating collectors like shit as well - of all colors. All these $12-17k prints these artist/ are setting for themselves with their galleries - after only breaking out less than a year... give me a break. These guys are milking it more than anyone else and many are just making the same art over and over. Nothing new.
Many of the BLM artist have made a fortune off this movement thinking they are owed... I’m sorry but then pay the older African American artists who missed out for decades. Hand them the money... these young artist are not owed anything... no matter what color. Honestly I have found Native American artists, Hispanic artists and Muslim artists being more forgot and ignored than anyone.
Calling out your biggest market is probably not the smartest thing for any artist. China can easily ban him and they will - if he continues to call them out. That will kill his market or any new artist in a second. It’s incredibly stupid to call out China and all of Europe for any artist - of any color.
|
|
|
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by Happy Shopper on Apr 22, 2021 14:23:34 GMT 1, In this context "Fuck with" means "Buy from" / "Interact with". It's like "Bad" meaning "Good" in the 80s. I know. Confusing. OK. So he doesn't want people to buy 'black art' (whatever that is) from black artists. Unless they are...black? ...or just not Chinese?
Oddly, in that part he's saying it's good they invest in black art.
He just doesn't like them reselling it. For some reason he thinks that's bad for the artists... although I'm not sure why.
I'm sure artists' sales should be managed, and prices managed, but some reselling can lift prices overall, possibly making an artist more well known and popular... which you'd think he'd be happy about.
In this context "Fuck with" means "Buy from" / "Interact with". It's like "Bad" meaning "Good" in the 80s. I know. Confusing. OK. So he doesn't want people to buy 'black art' (whatever that is) from black artists. Unless they are...black? ...or just not Chinese? Oddly, in that part he's saying it's good they invest in black art. He just doesn't like them reselling it. For some reason he thinks that's bad for the artists... although I'm not sure why. I'm sure artists' sales should be managed, and prices managed, but some reselling can lift prices overall, possibly making an artist more well known and popular... which you'd think he'd be happy about. |
|
|
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by Sunny Garcia on Apr 22, 2021 14:44:24 GMT 1, Perhaps if his art wasn't utter dogshit people wouldn't flip it, the fact that he thinks he has a legacy made me chuckle. Also not quite sure his probiem with Europeans and Asians as they pretty much make up his entite market. Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from.
I don't get it. Black artists are being purchased to flip because they are flippable at the moment. So are a ton of hispanic/asian/white artists.
How is that different from using any imagery (regardless of color), being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip?
Perhaps if his art wasn't utter dogshit people wouldn't flip it, the fact that he thinks he has a legacy made me chuckle. Also not quite sure his probiem with Europeans and Asians as they pretty much make up his entite market. Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from. I don't get it. Black artists are being purchased to flip because they are flippable at the moment. So are a ton of hispanic/asian/white artists. How is that different from using any imagery (regardless of color), being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip? |
|
|
|
|
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by dreadware on Apr 22, 2021 14:47:10 GMT 1, Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from. I don't get it. Black artists are being purchased to flip because they are flippable at the moment. So are a ton of hispanic/asian/white artists. How is that different from using any imagery (regardless of color), being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip?
Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from. I don't get it. Black artists are being purchased to flip because they are flippable at the moment. So are a ton of hispanic/asian/white artists. How is that different from using any imagery (regardless of color), being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip? I am pretty sure that most of the flippers don't even know that the artist is black ... |
|
LJCal
Junior Member
🗨️ 2,983
👍🏻 4,523
December 2019
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by LJCal on Apr 22, 2021 14:56:43 GMT 1, I don't get it. Black artists are being purchased to flip because they are flippable at the moment. So are a ton of hispanic/asian/white artists. How is that different from using any imagery (regardless of color), being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip? I am pretty sure that most of the flippers don't even know that the artist is black ...
I don't get it. Black artists are being purchased to flip because they are flippable at the moment. So are a ton of hispanic/asian/white artists. How is that different from using any imagery (regardless of color), being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip? I am pretty sure that most of the flippers don't even know that the artist is black ... or care, that's the beautiful think about rational capitalism it really only cares about green. |
|
Reader
Junior Member
🗨️ 1,272
👍🏻 2,833
June 2016
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by Reader on Apr 22, 2021 15:01:56 GMT 1, 
I guess it's the same as some people finding it a bit distasteful that Frat Boy Capitalists are using their inheritance to buy and flip work dealing with social justice issues. It's possible to have more than one thought in your head at the same time. I.E Make art whilst not particularly liking the art market and the sense of entitlement many flippers seem to exhibit.
I guess it's the same as some people finding it a bit distasteful that Frat Boy Capitalists are using their inheritance to buy and flip work dealing with social justice issues. It's possible to have more than one thought in your head at the same time. I.E Make art whilst not particularly liking the art market and the sense of entitlement many flippers seem to exhibit. |
|
Jaylove
Junior Member
🗨️ 1,599
👍🏻 1,073
November 2016
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by Jaylove on Apr 23, 2021 1:29:47 GMT 1, Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from. I think you missed the point. His art is crap, how can you call what he does African imagery? I’m really not sure what this has to do with race, the fact is people flip art from artists from all ethnic backgrounds. If artists are going to get precious about it and insult the people who actually pay money for their art then I’d suggest being a commercial artist is not for them.
Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from. I think you missed the point. His art is crap, how can you call what he does African imagery? I’m really not sure what this has to do with race, the fact is people flip art from artists from all ethnic backgrounds. If artists are going to get precious about it and insult the people who actually pay money for their art then I’d suggest being a commercial artist is not for them. His art has nothing to do with it. And really who cares what you think? I don't own any of his stuff but see no difference between his art and many of the others who are talked about on here. |
|
Jaylove
Junior Member
🗨️ 1,599
👍🏻 1,073
November 2016
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by Jaylove on Apr 23, 2021 1:30:58 GMT 1, Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from. This is such a tricky subject, but I have to admit I find it slightly ridiculous to make it about race. It's just the art market. People buy and sell all sorts of art, for all sorts of reasons... but mostly profit. Would it be OK for black collectors to flip the work because they understand it better? Or would black collectors never flip it? Both these ideas are clearly wrong. Collectors are collectors and flippers flip. Their colour doesn't come into it. And to equate it to BLM, or exploiting black people, just smacks of someone with an over-inflated opinion of their work's importance. If there's demand for their work, great, but other people are going to look to profit from it too. That's just a fact of life for all successful artists.
Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from. This is such a tricky subject, but I have to admit I find it slightly ridiculous to make it about race. It's just the art market. People buy and sell all sorts of art, for all sorts of reasons... but mostly profit. Would it be OK for black collectors to flip the work because they understand it better? Or would black collectors never flip it? Both these ideas are clearly wrong. Collectors are collectors and flippers flip. Their colour doesn't come into it. And to equate it to BLM, or exploiting black people, just smacks of someone with an over-inflated opinion of their work's importance. If there's demand for their work, great, but other people are going to look to profit from it too. That's just a fact of life for all successful artists. Missing the point again. Black people being told how to think and feel by people who are not black. Interesting. |
|
Jaylove
Junior Member
🗨️ 1,599
👍🏻 1,073
November 2016
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by Jaylove on Apr 23, 2021 1:31:51 GMT 1, Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from. I don't get it. Black artists are being purchased to flip because they are flippable at the moment. So are a ton of hispanic/asian/white artists. How is that different from using any imagery (regardless of color), being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip?
Flip in peace, bro.
Completely missed the point. He's talking about black artists using black/African imagery that is being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip. As a black person myself, I completely feel where he's coming from. I don't get it. Black artists are being purchased to flip because they are flippable at the moment. So are a ton of hispanic/asian/white artists. How is that different from using any imagery (regardless of color), being purchased by people who don't give a shit about any of it just to flip? Flip in peace, bro. |
|
|
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by Happy Shopper on Apr 23, 2021 10:12:56 GMT 1, This is such a tricky subject, but I have to admit I find it slightly ridiculous to make it about race. It's just the art market. People buy and sell all sorts of art, for all sorts of reasons... but mostly profit. Would it be OK for black collectors to flip the work because they understand it better? Or would black collectors never flip it? Both these ideas are clearly wrong. Collectors are collectors and flippers flip. Their colour doesn't come into it. And to equate it to BLM, or exploiting black people, just smacks of someone with an over-inflated opinion of their work's importance. If there's demand for their work, great, but other people are going to look to profit from it too. That's just a fact of life for all successful artists. Missing the point again. Black people being told how to think and feel by people who are not black. Interesting.
I'm not denying how someone feels... I'm questioning why they would feel it only applies to them because they're black, when it's an issue for all artists.
He's voicing an opinion, not an unquestionable fact.
This is such a tricky subject, but I have to admit I find it slightly ridiculous to make it about race. It's just the art market. People buy and sell all sorts of art, for all sorts of reasons... but mostly profit. Would it be OK for black collectors to flip the work because they understand it better? Or would black collectors never flip it? Both these ideas are clearly wrong. Collectors are collectors and flippers flip. Their colour doesn't come into it. And to equate it to BLM, or exploiting black people, just smacks of someone with an over-inflated opinion of their work's importance. If there's demand for their work, great, but other people are going to look to profit from it too. That's just a fact of life for all successful artists. Missing the point again. Black people being told how to think and feel by people who are not black. Interesting. I'm not denying how someone feels... I'm questioning why they would feel it only applies to them because they're black, when it's an issue for all artists. He's voicing an opinion, not an unquestionable fact. |
|
|
|
Flipping Art • The Debate, by churchwood on Apr 23, 2021 10:25:00 GMT 1, i cannot really add anything to the main topic but i have to say that whenever I see his stuff it reminds me of the ace books I used to read to the kids by Oliver Jeffers
i cannot really add anything to the main topic but i have to say that whenever I see his stuff it reminds me of the ace books I used to read to the kids by Oliver Jeffers
|
|
