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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Jul 2, 2015 22:22:17 GMT 1, It really doesn't matter it's just a term "flipper" it will continue and there's no control over it . As pointed out galleries , print houses do it , yet in some ways more devious circumstances. Too much angst over prints that in most cases aren't even printed by the artist and most of these artists will be unknown in the future . Save the anger for something worth while ? Banksy prints are increasing every 6 months ?! Flipping ? Wait until kunstrassen produces a print release ;-) Following the recent threads on here by some of people opposed to flipping?
Good post and yes there will no doubt be a s**t fight for kunstrassen pieces due to hype on here... It happens every year with a few artists, even big profile artists like Os Gemos where people splashed out 4k pounds realised they couldn't make a big profit quickly and scrambled to sell at cost to put the money back on their credit cards 'my wife doesn't like it etc'... this also has happened to so many lower prices artists (I won't mention them as don't want to offend).. The smart (richer) collectors on here don't buy this tat and are now buying OG's, obviously you need more money or buy one a year from your print savings? but as with prints some of these OG's appear at cost a few months later also as the buyer doesn't see the price going up.. How often do we hear 'gutted I left that price go' meaning 'i sold it because it werent making profit an d now the artists career has gone through the roof and I could have made a thousands!! Gutted  ... Not much buying art for love on this forum and never has been.
It really doesn't matter it's just a term "flipper" it will continue and there's no control over it . As pointed out galleries , print houses do it , yet in some ways more devious circumstances. Too much angst over prints that in most cases aren't even printed by the artist and most of these artists will be unknown in the future . Save the anger for something worth while ? Banksy prints are increasing every 6 months ?! Flipping ? Wait until kunstrassen produces a print release ;-) Following the recent threads on here by some of people opposed to flipping? Good post and yes there will no doubt be a s**t fight for kunstrassen pieces due to hype on here... It happens every year with a few artists, even big profile artists like Os Gemos where people splashed out 4k pounds realised they couldn't make a big profit quickly and scrambled to sell at cost to put the money back on their credit cards 'my wife doesn't like it etc'... this also has happened to so many lower prices artists (I won't mention them as don't want to offend).. The smart (richer) collectors on here don't buy this tat and are now buying OG's, obviously you need more money or buy one a year from your print savings? but as with prints some of these OG's appear at cost a few months later also as the buyer doesn't see the price going up.. How often do we hear 'gutted I left that price go' meaning 'i sold it because it werent making profit an d now the artists career has gone through the roof and I could have made a thousands!! Gutted ... Not much buying art for love on this forum and never has been. |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by gatecrasher on Jul 3, 2015 15:08:07 GMT 1, I always buy my art on my wifes credit card, so not only can she not like the art work, she can not like it pushing her balance up 
I always buy my art on my wifes credit card, so not only can she not like the art work, she can not like it pushing her balance up |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by met on Jul 6, 2015 22:31:12 GMT 1, Brilliant so very insightful and intriguing responses so far. I also love the dolphin pictures, they're a fantastic laugh! To such a passionate art enthusiast such as myself this seems a very interesting topic, however many times it may have been discussed. I did notice one response aimed at me, I would like to point out that the prints I am selling have been displayed but they are no longer in use as I have recently purchased one of my 'wish list' prints. Therefore I am selling them on, at cost, to anyone who will put them to good use. I would also like to question desmond on how is one supposed to reach 50 posts with negativity as you have displayed?I am also interested in what members think of gallery's releasing a piece of work, waiting until it's sold out and then putting it up for sale for triple the price? Is this side of "flipping" acceptable due to the fact that they own a retail space/ website? Or are they exempt from this term as they are the business's that make the art available to the art enthusiast. I personally believe, from what I have read here, that it's similar to the old story of the man who stole a loaf of bread to feed his starving family. I am aware of the fact that art is rather different to this but I question you to what makes it acceptable? If you are working with Picassos and Warhols as much as some are purchased out of love for the art itself, most is brought to for the owner to increase the value of said work. As I have mentioned before this subject absolutely fascinates me as there seem to be so many mixed opinions about said subject. I believe that a flipper is defined as someone who has fewer than 50 posts on the banksy forum who then tries to sell a print within 6 months of purchase. Thereafter as post count increases, the acceptable time to flip decreases
You applaud insightfulness but then appear to criticise the post by @desmond398.
I would argue that post is one of the most insightful (and witty) I've recently read. He or she seems to understand the psychology and culture of this forum very well.
Brilliant so very insightful and intriguing responses so far. I also love the dolphin pictures, they're a fantastic laugh! To such a passionate art enthusiast such as myself this seems a very interesting topic, however many times it may have been discussed. I did notice one response aimed at me, I would like to point out that the prints I am selling have been displayed but they are no longer in use as I have recently purchased one of my 'wish list' prints. Therefore I am selling them on, at cost, to anyone who will put them to good use. I would also like to question desmond on how is one supposed to reach 50 posts with negativity as you have displayed?I am also interested in what members think of gallery's releasing a piece of work, waiting until it's sold out and then putting it up for sale for triple the price? Is this side of "flipping" acceptable due to the fact that they own a retail space/ website? Or are they exempt from this term as they are the business's that make the art available to the art enthusiast. I personally believe, from what I have read here, that it's similar to the old story of the man who stole a loaf of bread to feed his starving family. I am aware of the fact that art is rather different to this but I question you to what makes it acceptable? If you are working with Picassos and Warhols as much as some are purchased out of love for the art itself, most is brought to for the owner to increase the value of said work. As I have mentioned before this subject absolutely fascinates me as there seem to be so many mixed opinions about said subject. I believe that a flipper is defined as someone who has fewer than 50 posts on the banksy forum who then tries to sell a print within 6 months of purchase. Thereafter as post count increases, the acceptable time to flip decreases You applaud insightfulness but then appear to criticise the post by @desmond398. I would argue that post is one of the most insightful (and witty) I've recently read. He or she seems to understand the psychology and culture of this forum very well. |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by met on Jul 6, 2015 22:35:23 GMT 1, f**k to what everyone else thinks defines a flipflop, it's your opinion that matters to you so form one. Flippers / profiteers are here to stay and thats that, they are a part of the economy. Maybe the flop was broken.
Would you know if they're really bad at dancing?
If so, then I believe we have enough information to solve this riddle.
f**k to what everyone else thinks defines a flipflop, it's your opinion that matters to you so form one. Flippers / profiteers are here to stay and thats that, they are a part of the economy. Maybe the flop was broken. Would you know if they're really bad at dancing? If so, then I believe we have enough information to solve this riddle. |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by dreadnatty on Jul 6, 2015 23:08:32 GMT 1, Ive seen plenty of members with way more than 50 posts get s**t on for flipping.
Ive seen plenty of members with way more than 50 posts get s**t on for flipping.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Wilson on Jul 7, 2015 11:00:01 GMT 1, It comes down to intent at time of purchase as far as I'm concerned Sound like an HMRC inspector there Sparky. Same applies to trading and CGT, intention to make a profit or profit seeking motive. Think it about wraps it up for me.
It comes down to intent at time of purchase as far as I'm concerned Sound like an HMRC inspector there Sparky. Same applies to trading and CGT, intention to make a profit or profit seeking motive. Think it about wraps it up for me.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Howard Johnson on Jul 7, 2015 20:43:09 GMT 1, I think the generic term of "flipper" is kinda outdated in the modern collecting landscape. The internet and these forums have kind of turned all of us into mini dealers, constantly buying and selling. Unless your crazy rich I don't know how you could realistically build up a collection without flipping a few pieces here and there.
That being said I think it's really a breach of collector etiquette that prompts people to point the finger at "flippers." In my opinion the only situations where selling immediately is in bad form is with new releases and if another member hooks you up with a print (the timeline for ethical sale afterwards is debatable). In my opinion all other sales are totally fine. You get a steal on eBay or at auction and want to sell immediately that's perfectly reasonable. You were the one to find the piece, and your not taking art out of the hands of someone who wanted it or screwing over another forum member.
I think the generic term of "flipper" is kinda outdated in the modern collecting landscape. The internet and these forums have kind of turned all of us into mini dealers, constantly buying and selling. Unless your crazy rich I don't know how you could realistically build up a collection without flipping a few pieces here and there.
That being said I think it's really a breach of collector etiquette that prompts people to point the finger at "flippers." In my opinion the only situations where selling immediately is in bad form is with new releases and if another member hooks you up with a print (the timeline for ethical sale afterwards is debatable). In my opinion all other sales are totally fine. You get a steal on eBay or at auction and want to sell immediately that's perfectly reasonable. You were the one to find the piece, and your not taking art out of the hands of someone who wanted it or screwing over another forum member.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Cardiff on Jul 7, 2015 21:18:52 GMT 1, I've been honing my skills as a "flopper"...buying pieces from flippers at the top of the market, tiring of them outside of the "heat of the moment" and then moving them along impatiently for 50% of what I paid. To add insult to my idiocy, I often frame said pieces in expensive frames which make them expensive/impossible to ship...AKA "Artchival Flopping". I apologize to all of you for feeding the animals.
The one positive of this approach is that when I sell pieces for 50% of what I paid, at least my wife believes I am recouping my initial investment (always tell her pieces cost 1/2 what they actually cost ).
I've been honing my skills as a "flopper"...buying pieces from flippers at the top of the market, tiring of them outside of the "heat of the moment" and then moving them along impatiently for 50% of what I paid. To add insult to my idiocy, I often frame said pieces in expensive frames which make them expensive/impossible to ship...AKA "Artchival Flopping". I apologize to all of you for feeding the animals. The one positive of this approach is that when I sell pieces for 50% of what I paid, at least my wife believes I am recouping my initial investment (always tell her pieces cost 1/2 what they actually cost ). |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by d.r. perseus on Jul 7, 2015 22:46:52 GMT 1, I've been honing my skills as a "flopper"...buying pieces from flippers at the top of the market, tiring of them outside of the "heat of the moment" and then moving them along impatiently for 50% of what I paid. To add insult to my idiocy, I often frame said pieces in expensive frames which make them expensive/impossible to ship...AKA "Artchival Flopping". I apologize to all of you for feeding the animals. The one positive of this approach is that when I sell pieces for 50% of what I paid, at least my wife believes I am recouping my initial investment (always tell her pieces cost 1/2 what they actually cost ).
I think many of us have unfortunately bought pieces that set the high mark of the aftermarket. So it goes...but love the introspective humour
I've been honing my skills as a "flopper"...buying pieces from flippers at the top of the market, tiring of them outside of the "heat of the moment" and then moving them along impatiently for 50% of what I paid. To add insult to my idiocy, I often frame said pieces in expensive frames which make them expensive/impossible to ship...AKA "Artchival Flopping". I apologize to all of you for feeding the animals. The one positive of this approach is that when I sell pieces for 50% of what I paid, at least my wife believes I am recouping my initial investment (always tell her pieces cost 1/2 what they actually cost ). I think many of us have unfortunately bought pieces that set the high mark of the aftermarket. So it goes...but love the introspective humour |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by met on Jul 7, 2015 23:30:24 GMT 1, Somebody was wearing flip flops today in work but they sounded more like a flip flip? Maybe the flop was broken. Would you know if they're really bad at dancing? If so, then I believe we have enough information to solve this riddle.
Well, this hasn't been rewarding.
Setting up the play with reasonable care, an unselfish pass across the goalmouth, but then not a striker in sight.
Bad dancer? Explanation for the flip-flip sound... ?
Somebody, anybody, please just boot this one into the back of the net.
Somebody was wearing flip flops today in work but they sounded more like a flip flip? Maybe the flop was broken. Would you know if they're really bad at dancing? If so, then I believe we have enough information to solve this riddle. Well, this hasn't been rewarding. Setting up the play with reasonable care, an unselfish pass across the goalmouth, but then not a striker in sight. Bad dancer? Explanation for the flip-flip sound... ? Somebody, anybody, please just boot this one into the back of the net. |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 0:07:55 GMT 1, Would you know if they're really bad at dancing? If so, then I believe we have enough information to solve this riddle. Well, this hasn't been rewarding. Setting up the play with reasonable care, an unselfish pass across the goalmouth, but then not a striker in sight. Bad dancer? Explanation for the flip-flip sound... ? Somebody, anybody, please just boot this one into the back of the net.
Would you know if they're really bad at dancing? If so, then I believe we have enough information to solve this riddle. Well, this hasn't been rewarding. Setting up the play with reasonable care, an unselfish pass across the goalmouth, but then not a striker in sight. Bad dancer? Explanation for the flip-flip sound... ? Somebody, anybody, please just boot this one into the back of the net. Please tell me, it's late and too cryptic for me now, Google says Yoko Ono?. |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by met on Jul 8, 2015 0:24:25 GMT 1, Well, this hasn't been rewarding. Setting up the play with reasonable care, an unselfish pass across the goalmouth, but then not a striker in sight. Bad dancer? Explanation for the flip-flip sound... ? Somebody, anybody, please just boot this one into the back of the net. Please tell me, it's late and too cryptic for me now, Google says Yoko Ono?.
When someone is a bad dancer, what is it they are said to have... ?
Well, this hasn't been rewarding. Setting up the play with reasonable care, an unselfish pass across the goalmouth, but then not a striker in sight. Bad dancer? Explanation for the flip-flip sound... ? Somebody, anybody, please just boot this one into the back of the net. Please tell me, it's late and too cryptic for me now, Google says Yoko Ono?. When someone is a bad dancer, what is it they are said to have... ? |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by .dappy on Jul 8, 2015 0:27:22 GMT 1, ... two left feet! ...
... two left feet! ...
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by met on Jul 8, 2015 0:28:44 GMT 1,
Thank you. I think I'll go home now.
Thank you. I think I'll go home now. |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Coach on Jul 8, 2015 11:22:34 GMT 1, Please tell me, it's late and too cryptic for me now, Google says Yoko Ono?. When someone is a bad dancer, what is it they are said to have... ?
...got to my age
Please tell me, it's late and too cryptic for me now, Google says Yoko Ono?. When someone is a bad dancer, what is it they are said to have... ? ...got to my age |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Deleted on May 6, 2016 9:39:07 GMT 1, On the back of another thread asking if value has any bearing on what we buy and sell I wanted to do a poll to get some honest answers. There is a lot of diverse opinion here on flipping and a lot are openly against it but I do wonder if some of those same people who openly oppose flipping here would turn down the chance of buying something for £450 which they know they could potentially sell for £10k+?
I also question if half the print releases would sell out if you took away any potential price rise?
Note the poll question means buying a banksy at cost eg £450.
Poll is anonymous, I can't see who voted for what.
I'm not giving my personal opinion so please don't jump on me! but feel free to discuss.
On the back of another thread asking if value has any bearing on what we buy and sell I wanted to do a poll to get some honest answers. There is a lot of diverse opinion here on flipping and a lot are openly against it but I do wonder if some of those same people who openly oppose flipping here would turn down the chance of buying something for £450 which they know they could potentially sell for £10k+?
I also question if half the print releases would sell out if you took away any potential price rise?
Note the poll question means buying a banksy at cost eg £450.
Poll is anonymous, I can't see who voted for what.
I'm not giving my personal opinion so please don't jump on me! but feel free to discuss.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Deleted on May 6, 2016 9:54:25 GMT 1, I'm surprised some people would frame and hang a lenticular dog turd just because it was by Banksy.
I'm surprised some people would frame and hang a lenticular dog turd just because it was by Banksy.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Deleted on May 6, 2016 12:13:54 GMT 1, Interested to know why those who have voted no have done so?
Interested to know why those who have voted no have done so?
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Deleted on May 6, 2016 12:38:23 GMT 1, Why would anyone buy a print they didn't actually like. If the question is buy a print at cost that they knew would re sell for multiple profit then the image or taste is not relevant.
It's like diamonds and gold. Why do people pay so much for a lump of rock that has been mined by a big corporation on the sweat of poor people whose land the diamonds are moned on? Or gold from regions of the world where the rivers are poisened with heavy metals to get the gold.
If peoples main motivation is profit then they will buy anything they can make a profit on. Hype it up to increase it's so called kudos and desirability.
Bung some in auction and with a group or a clique, shill bid up the auction prices, generate publicity.
Try to control online forums.
Private message members to try to get them to block some members who don't buy into the hype.
Then sit at home believing themselves to actually have a life worth living.
Why would anyone buy a print they didn't actually like. If the question is buy a print at cost that they knew would re sell for multiple profit then the image or taste is not relevant.
It's like diamonds and gold. Why do people pay so much for a lump of rock that has been mined by a big corporation on the sweat of poor people whose land the diamonds are moned on? Or gold from regions of the world where the rivers are poisened with heavy metals to get the gold.
If peoples main motivation is profit then they will buy anything they can make a profit on. Hype it up to increase it's so called kudos and desirability.
Bung some in auction and with a group or a clique, shill bid up the auction prices, generate publicity.
Try to control online forums.
Private message members to try to get them to block some members who don't buy into the hype.
Then sit at home believing themselves to actually have a life worth living.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Ponyboy Curtis on May 6, 2016 12:58:30 GMT 1, I consider the resale value of all luxury items I buy (which art is) whether it's cars, watches, etc.
Why earn the money twice?!
I consider the resale value of all luxury items I buy (which art is) whether it's cars, watches, etc.
Why earn the money twice?!
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Deleted on May 6, 2016 13:59:21 GMT 1, Great thread!
I personally don't think that there is any thing wrong with people profiting a bit on their art investments. The argument could be made that based on historic Banksy price trends that buying a print that you do not like strictly for investment gain is not a terrible idea. Intelligent investments are made with the intention or hope of a return always. If not you call it a donation. There are certainly not many Banksy prints going for cost on the FS thread on here. After all unless we are procuring your art directly from the original artist we are all buying "flipped" art. I think we can all agree that the Galleries that we all purchase from are not non-profit organizations that are formed with the sole intention of beautifying our personal living / working spaces with great art.
I buy art that I like and have spent good money on pieces that likely will not see the same level of monetary gain as Banksy or the likes but that doesn't make me enjoy it any less or even make me consider not buying the work I like and instead use that money to "invest" in something else.
Separately I do think that there is an appropriate way to go about "flipping" in this venue in particular. For example using a "Gallery" tag and representing yourself and intentions with transparency. Someone on here (Not a gallery) recently posted a WTB, then price check, then FS for the same work in a 2 month span . I personally consider this poor form and sh**ing where you eat. I don't oppose "flipping" in general as ultimately they buyer not the seller is in full control of wether or not a deal gets done but I like to think that this forum is a bit more about appreciation that profit which in a large part it is.
Great thread!
I personally don't think that there is any thing wrong with people profiting a bit on their art investments. The argument could be made that based on historic Banksy price trends that buying a print that you do not like strictly for investment gain is not a terrible idea. Intelligent investments are made with the intention or hope of a return always. If not you call it a donation. There are certainly not many Banksy prints going for cost on the FS thread on here. After all unless we are procuring your art directly from the original artist we are all buying "flipped" art. I think we can all agree that the Galleries that we all purchase from are not non-profit organizations that are formed with the sole intention of beautifying our personal living / working spaces with great art.
I buy art that I like and have spent good money on pieces that likely will not see the same level of monetary gain as Banksy or the likes but that doesn't make me enjoy it any less or even make me consider not buying the work I like and instead use that money to "invest" in something else.
Separately I do think that there is an appropriate way to go about "flipping" in this venue in particular. For example using a "Gallery" tag and representing yourself and intentions with transparency. Someone on here (Not a gallery) recently posted a WTB, then price check, then FS for the same work in a 2 month span . I personally consider this poor form and sh**ing where you eat. I don't oppose "flipping" in general as ultimately they buyer not the seller is in full control of wether or not a deal gets done but I like to think that this forum is a bit more about appreciation that profit which in a large part it is.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by BKBOI on May 6, 2016 14:05:28 GMT 1, I think it is insanity to say no to free money.
I think it is insanity to say no to free money.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by nds on May 6, 2016 14:41:33 GMT 1, I said No,
The majority of his prints just do not capture my attention anymore. Not to mention the price. For one I would be concerned that I may accidentally damage it. Oh and the fraudulent works out there.
I think Banksy has become so hyped that the very meaning of what he attempts to do has become lost at not fault of his own. I think his work has more of less reverted back to the mass production of pop art culture appose street art or urban art..... what ever lingo the kids use these days.
Personally, I think his work belongs on the streets and that is where it should remain.
I said No,
The majority of his prints just do not capture my attention anymore. Not to mention the price. For one I would be concerned that I may accidentally damage it. Oh and the fraudulent works out there.
I think Banksy has become so hyped that the very meaning of what he attempts to do has become lost at not fault of his own. I think his work has more of less reverted back to the mass production of pop art culture appose street art or urban art..... what ever lingo the kids use these days.
Personally, I think his work belongs on the streets and that is where it should remain.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Daniel Silk on May 6, 2016 14:41:53 GMT 1, "Yes, But flip it at some point"
Im not sure thats really the correct way to word it, coz "Flip" means somebody who buys it only to sell on at a profit straight away.
"Yes, But flip it at some point"
Im not sure thats really the correct way to word it, coz "Flip" means somebody who buys it only to sell on at a profit straight away.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Daniel Silk on May 6, 2016 14:44:42 GMT 1, But also buying any art that you dont like! even if your plan is only to make a profit on it, is a dangerous game to play. If you dont like it, maybe in reality everyone else thinks the same  just hype! and they all end up getting burnt.
Only buy what you like
But also buying any art that you dont like! even if your plan is only to make a profit on it, is a dangerous game to play. If you dont like it, maybe in reality everyone else thinks the same just hype! and they all end up getting burnt. Only buy what you like |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by case on May 6, 2016 15:10:53 GMT 1, I think it is insanity to say no to free money.
I couldn`t disagree more.
I think it is insanity to say no to free money. I couldn`t disagree more. |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Coach on May 6, 2016 15:41:18 GMT 1, In my opinion flipping is parasitical. It's usually contrary to an artists wishes. It's profiting from someone else's creative endeavours. It prevents people who want to own and hang a piece from buying it, and often that person won't be able to afford the flippers price.
Now, of course, it can never be stopped. It's part of life. But it shouldn't stop the practise being criticised on here, and flippers being called out for it.
This is one of the reasons why I think the change to the sales format is not good. Flippers can act with impunity. And this risks lowering the reputation of this forum, I think.
I have no problem with people selling art. I have no problem with them selling for market value, which may be above original cost price. Circumstances change. Tastes change.
Flipping is buying with the sole intention of selling on for a profit.
I have even more of a problem with price manipulation, which is far worse than flipping. Hyping an artist with a view to offloading, to then hardly ever mention that artist again is very wrong.
If people want to flip, they will. I believe that they should be asked to take it to eBay.
These days this may well be a minotity view. It certainly wasn't when I first joined the forum.
If it is, so be it. That won't change my opinion.
In my opinion flipping is parasitical. It's usually contrary to an artists wishes. It's profiting from someone else's creative endeavours. It prevents people who want to own and hang a piece from buying it, and often that person won't be able to afford the flippers price.
Now, of course, it can never be stopped. It's part of life. But it shouldn't stop the practise being criticised on here, and flippers being called out for it.
This is one of the reasons why I think the change to the sales format is not good. Flippers can act with impunity. And this risks lowering the reputation of this forum, I think.
I have no problem with people selling art. I have no problem with them selling for market value, which may be above original cost price. Circumstances change. Tastes change.
Flipping is buying with the sole intention of selling on for a profit.
I have even more of a problem with price manipulation, which is far worse than flipping. Hyping an artist with a view to offloading, to then hardly ever mention that artist again is very wrong.
If people want to flip, they will. I believe that they should be asked to take it to eBay.
These days this may well be a minotity view. It certainly wasn't when I first joined the forum.
If it is, so be it. That won't change my opinion.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by bdr79 on May 6, 2016 15:43:50 GMT 1, I'd buy it, even if I thought it was terrible....then look to trade with someone who missed out for a banksy I really liked.
I'd buy it, even if I thought it was terrible....then look to trade with someone who missed out for a banksy I really liked.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Deleted on May 6, 2016 16:17:17 GMT 1, I have no problem with people selling art. I have no problem with them selling for market value, which may be above original cost price. Circumstances change. Tastes change. Flipping is buying with the sole intention of selling on for a profit. I have even more of a problem with price manipulation, which is far worse than flipping. Hyping an artist with a view to offloading, to then hardly ever mention that artist again is very wrong. If people want to flip, they will. I believe that they should be asked to take it to eBay. These days this may well be a minotity view. It certainly wasn't when I first joined the forum. If it is, so be it. That won't change my opinion.
It is an interesting concept that flippers "keep those that want to own and hang a piece from getting it". To play Devil's Advocate for a minute I can also see the opposite scenario. If someone really loves and wants a work that is released in a limited capacity and without online availability in a location that is not accessible to them and only "collectors who hang it on their walls" buy it than some real collectors are even less likely to own it themselves. If local "flippers" also are in line to buy and then resell at a profit more people then actually have access to the work (albeit at a higher price). Buyer's of course ultimately decide wether or not to pay the premium.
Again I can't stress enough that this forum isn't the most appropriate venue for this in my opinion.
I have no problem with people selling art. I have no problem with them selling for market value, which may be above original cost price. Circumstances change. Tastes change. Flipping is buying with the sole intention of selling on for a profit. I have even more of a problem with price manipulation, which is far worse than flipping. Hyping an artist with a view to offloading, to then hardly ever mention that artist again is very wrong. If people want to flip, they will. I believe that they should be asked to take it to eBay. These days this may well be a minotity view. It certainly wasn't when I first joined the forum. If it is, so be it. That won't change my opinion. I think you make good points Coach. And I agree there should be an entirely separate market place for "flipping" like Ebay or the likes. I much prefer this forum be a place of knowledge sharing. I completely agree with your stance on price manipulation as well. That has become a far too common practice and that is indeed where the benefit of comments on sales threads were valuable. It is an interesting concept that flippers "keep those that want to own and hang a piece from getting it". To play Devil's Advocate for a minute I can also see the opposite scenario. If someone really loves and wants a work that is released in a limited capacity and without online availability in a location that is not accessible to them and only "collectors who hang it on their walls" buy it than some real collectors are even less likely to own it themselves. If local "flippers" also are in line to buy and then resell at a profit more people then actually have access to the work (albeit at a higher price). Buyer's of course ultimately decide wether or not to pay the premium. Again I can't stress enough that this forum isn't the most appropriate venue for this in my opinion. |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by nds on May 6, 2016 18:35:08 GMT 1, There are options missing from your poll. Buy it, flip it. Buy multiples, flip them.
There are options missing from your poll. Buy it, flip it. Buy multiples, flip them. In addition to, realising your own artistic flair and making your own batch of prints to pass off as originals |
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... Not much buying art for love on this forum and never has been. 
just hype! and they all end up getting burnt.
