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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by stelio on May 13, 2021 13:25:58 GMT 1, I am sorry that somebody has to ruin it for other people, but I would gander to bet that just about every gallery and print shop has a VIP list and at times will share an advance link to. In this instance, we shared a link with some of our regular patrons that missed out on an original work from Roby back in February. We had so many that missed out, this was our way of helping to make it up to them by offering them access to a highly sought after print early. That really is how the art world works, and if itβs a newsflash to anyone here, I apologize. But that is reality. Your right, they do. However you are violating trade law, publicly. Itβs called restraint of trade. FYI
You actually made me look this up this morning as growing up in the states iIβve never heard this term before, βrestraint of tradeβ. And after reading about it thinkspace isnβt violating any law in this country where itβs located by selling to VIPs.
I am sorry that somebody has to ruin it for other people, but I would gander to bet that just about every gallery and print shop has a VIP list and at times will share an advance link to. In this instance, we shared a link with some of our regular patrons that missed out on an original work from Roby back in February. We had so many that missed out, this was our way of helping to make it up to them by offering them access to a highly sought after print early. That really is how the art world works, and if itβs a newsflash to anyone here, I apologize. But that is reality. Your right, they do. However you are violating trade law, publicly. Itβs called restraint of trade. FYI You actually made me look this up this morning as growing up in the states iIβve never heard this term before, βrestraint of tradeβ. And after reading about it thinkspace isnβt violating any law in this country where itβs located by selling to VIPs. |
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by storm breaker on May 13, 2021 13:29:24 GMT 1, Your right, they do. However you are violating trade law, publicly. Itβs called restraint of trade. FYI You actually made me look this up this morning as growing up in the states iIβve never heard this term before, βrestraint of tradeβ. And after reading about it thinkspace isnβt violating any law in this country where itβs located by selling to VIPs.
What about him changing the advertised edition size?
Your right, they do. However you are violating trade law, publicly. Itβs called restraint of trade. FYI You actually made me look this up this morning as growing up in the states iIβve never heard this term before, βrestraint of tradeβ. And after reading about it thinkspace isnβt violating any law in this country where itβs located by selling to VIPs. What about him changing the advertised edition size? |
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by stelio on May 13, 2021 13:31:54 GMT 1, You actually made me look this up this morning as growing up in the states iIβve never heard this term before, βrestraint of tradeβ. And after reading about it thinkspace isnβt violating any law in this country where itβs located by selling to VIPs. What about him changing the advertised edition size?
That opens the door for chargebacks if a buyer wants. Selling something not as advertised but I donβt see anyone doing that knowing even with the extra 25 added the print is still worth 2x cost.
You actually made me look this up this morning as growing up in the states iIβve never heard this term before, βrestraint of tradeβ. And after reading about it thinkspace isnβt violating any law in this country where itβs located by selling to VIPs. What about him changing the advertised edition size? That opens the door for chargebacks if a buyer wants. Selling something not as advertised but I donβt see anyone doing that knowing even with the extra 25 added the print is still worth 2x cost. |
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by startimeash on May 13, 2021 13:47:47 GMT 1, I am sorry that somebody has to ruin it for other people, but I would gander to bet that just about every gallery and print shop has a VIP list and at times will share an advance link to. In this instance, we shared a link with some of our regular patrons that missed out on an original work from Roby back in February. We had so many that missed out, this was our way of helping to make it up to them by offering them access to a highly sought after print early. That really is how the art world works, and if itβs a newsflash to anyone here, I apologize. But that is reality. Your right, they do. However you are violating trade law, publicly. Itβs called restraint of trade. FYI
I am sorry that somebody has to ruin it for other people, but I would gander to bet that just about every gallery and print shop has a VIP list and at times will share an advance link to. In this instance, we shared a link with some of our regular patrons that missed out on an original work from Roby back in February. We had so many that missed out, this was our way of helping to make it up to them by offering them access to a highly sought after print early. That really is how the art world works, and if itβs a newsflash to anyone here, I apologize. But that is reality. Your right, they do. However you are violating trade law, publicly. Itβs called restraint of trade. FYI It may be a lot of things, but restraint of trade is not one of them... |
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by storm breaker on May 13, 2021 15:13:36 GMT 1, It can be returned as not matching the description, I guess? Still, no reply from them. This silence sounds a bit like a βIt is what it isβ. After Almine Rech and Thinkspace, I think my opinion on galleries has enormously changed (of course with small exceptions).
What happened with Almine Rech?
It can be returned as not matching the description, I guess? Still, no reply from them. This silence sounds a bit like a βIt is what it isβ. After Almine Rech and Thinkspace, I think my opinion on galleries has enormously changed (of course with small exceptions). What happened with Almine Rech? |
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by Sunny Garcia on May 13, 2021 15:35:02 GMT 1, It can be returned as not matching the description, I guess? Still, no reply from them. This silence sounds a bit like a βIt is what it isβ. After Almine Rech and Thinkspace, I think my opinion on galleries has enormously changed (of course with small exceptions).
It can be returned as not matching the description, I guess? Still, no reply from them. This silence sounds a bit like a βIt is what it isβ. After Almine Rech and Thinkspace, I think my opinion on galleries has enormously changed (of course with small exceptions). Galleries have ALWAYS been like this...since the dawn of time. it's only become more visible now, with the massive increase in people collecting art! |
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by Down The Rabbit Hole on May 13, 2021 21:24:43 GMT 1, Your right, they do. However you are violating trade law, publicly. Itβs called restraint of trade. FYI It may be a lot of things, but restraint of trade is not one of them...
Agree to disagree
Your right, they do. However you are violating trade law, publicly. Itβs called restraint of trade. FYI It may be a lot of things, but restraint of trade is not one of them... Agree to disagree |
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by tiny poubelle on May 13, 2021 21:45:19 GMT 1, Given there are only one or two on here crying that the edition size has increased, it was probably a justified decision to do so.
More people got to own it.
Those that benefited from the presale being released on here and Thinkspace honouring it.
Those that bought from the presale legitimately.
Those that bought on the βas advertisedβ release.
Iβm sure that anyone not happy with the change to the edition size could return it to Thinkspace and get their money back. If you love Roby and managed to grab one, Iβm sure youβre not worrying that the edition grew a little.
Those already advertising it on EBay will have to adjust their listing but other than that, I donβt see why people would be upset.
Iβm sure some of you shall demand more transparency but you just canβt please everyone.
Maybe be happy more people got to own it?
Given there are only one or two on here crying that the edition size has increased, it was probably a justified decision to do so.
More people got to own it.
Those that benefited from the presale being released on here and Thinkspace honouring it.
Those that bought from the presale legitimately.
Those that bought on the βas advertisedβ release.
Iβm sure that anyone not happy with the change to the edition size could return it to Thinkspace and get their money back. If you love Roby and managed to grab one, Iβm sure youβre not worrying that the edition grew a little.
Those already advertising it on EBay will have to adjust their listing but other than that, I donβt see why people would be upset.
Iβm sure some of you shall demand more transparency but you just canβt please everyone.
Maybe be happy more people got to own it?
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by Jimini Cricket on May 13, 2021 22:09:02 GMT 1, What if they shrank the edition and didn't tell all y'all?
Would you still be upset? Doubt it.
They don't get points for being nice, so they shouldnt get penalized for going the other way.
Sit down b*TCH, be grateful.
What if they shrank the edition and didn't tell all y'all?
Would you still be upset? Doubt it.
They don't get points for being nice, so they shouldnt get penalized for going the other way.
Sit down b*TCH, be grateful.
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by Poster Bob on May 13, 2021 22:15:35 GMT 1, Can you refer me to an article or discussion on this?
What happened with Almine Rech? Almine Rech made a bit of a s-show during Cesar Pietteβs NFT release with Nifty. Basically they secretly kept a 10-20% of the editions (sold for a few 100s) for themselves and then re-sold them using different accounts just after the drop at $5k. Pity NFT transactions are clear as water and everybody could see it. So they are now banned from Nifty.
Can you refer me to an article or discussion on this? What happened with Almine Rech? Almine Rech made a bit of a s-show during Cesar Pietteβs NFT release with Nifty. Basically they secretly kept a 10-20% of the editions (sold for a few 100s) for themselves and then re-sold them using different accounts just after the drop at $5k. Pity NFT transactions are clear as water and everybody could see it. So they are now banned from Nifty. |
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by qest on May 13, 2021 22:23:08 GMT 1, What if they shrank the edition and didn't tell all y'all? Would you still be upset? Doubt it. They don't get points for being nice, so they shouldnt get penalized for going the other way. Sit down b*TCH, be grateful.
I can't imagine a single person whose purchase decision would have changed based on that increase. If this were a significant change in the number of prints, I guess I'd understand but an increase from 175 - 200 just doesn't seem like a big deal at all.
What if they shrank the edition and didn't tell all y'all? Would you still be upset? Doubt it. They don't get points for being nice, so they shouldnt get penalized for going the other way. Sit down b*TCH, be grateful. I can't imagine a single person whose purchase decision would have changed based on that increase. If this were a significant change in the number of prints, I guess I'd understand but an increase from 175 - 200 just doesn't seem like a big deal at all. |
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by Poster Bob on May 13, 2021 23:25:23 GMT 1, I must be showing my age, because when I try to Google it I get no results. I'll take your word for it. Galleries are known for doing such things with physical releases. It makes sense.
Can you refer me to an article or discussion on this? Itβs been discussed on Discord. If you go on the marketplace history of Cesar Pietteβs NFTs you can still see it.
I must be showing my age, because when I try to Google it I get no results. I'll take your word for it. Galleries are known for doing such things with physical releases. It makes sense. Can you refer me to an article or discussion on this? Itβs been discussed on Discord. If you go on the marketplace history of Cesar Pietteβs NFTs you can still see it. |
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by qest on May 13, 2021 23:44:48 GMT 1, I can't imagine a single person whose purchase decision would have changed based on that increase. If this were a significant change in the number of prints, I guess I'd understand but an increase from 175 - 200 just doesn't seem like a big deal at all. The issue is not the number of the edition (even if in theory the value could change, making it more rare). The issue is that twice the gallery has showed a dubious attitude (no presales - highlighted in the emails- then they have been caught with the pre-sales to vips); then the edition change and the silence behind it. If you think this is correct and fairβ¦personally I donβt think so
I can't imagine a single person whose purchase decision would have changed based on that increase. If this were a significant change in the number of prints, I guess I'd understand but an increase from 175 - 200 just doesn't seem like a big deal at all. The issue is not the number of the edition (even if in theory the value could change, making it more rare). The issue is that twice the gallery has showed a dubious attitude (no presales - highlighted in the emails- then they have been caught with the pre-sales to vips); then the edition change and the silence behind it. If you think this is correct and fairβ¦personally I donβt think so It could have been handled better for sure. I don't begrudge them, but they could have avoided the issue by saying that pre-orders wouldn't be available to the general public. If you were going for this print, I hope you received it and are happy with it. |
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by The Fool on May 14, 2021 1:16:40 GMT 1, The issue is not the number of the edition (even if in theory the value could change, making it more rare). The issue is that twice the gallery has showed a dubious attitude (no presales - highlighted in the emails- then they have been caught with the pre-sales to vips); then the edition change and the silence behind it. If you think this is correct and fairβ¦personally I donβt think so It could have been handled better for sure. I don't begrudge them, but they could have avoided the issue by saying that pre-orders wouldn't be available to the general public. If you were going for this print, I hope you received it and are happy with it.
The issue is not the number of the edition (even if in theory the value could change, making it more rare). The issue is that twice the gallery has showed a dubious attitude (no presales - highlighted in the emails- then they have been caught with the pre-sales to vips); then the edition change and the silence behind it. If you think this is correct and fairβ¦personally I donβt think so It could have been handled better for sure. I don't begrudge them, but they could have avoided the issue by saying that pre-orders wouldn't be available to the general public. If you were going for this print, I hope you received it and are happy with it. I'm with @dmatt, Not sure how you can defend Thinkspace for this release. Their initial response was pretty douchey and increasing the edition size of a print after the sale is pretty douchey. Why increase the edition when they could have just added 25 APs? |
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by artzzzy on May 14, 2021 7:23:52 GMT 1, The minimum they could do (and it would have cost them five minutes to do it) was sent an email to all the buyers explaining that due to what happened during the presale they had to increase the edition number to 200
And give everybody 24 hours to confirm their purchase or get a refund.
Any merchant who respects their clients would have done so.
Personally I was pleasantly surprised with the quality of the print.
Looks much better in person than online.
But this is a different story and doesnβt justify the galleryβs lack of common sense and respect for patrons.
The minimum they could do (and it would have cost them five minutes to do it) was sent an email to all the buyers explaining that due to what happened during the presale they had to increase the edition number to 200
And give everybody 24 hours to confirm their purchase or get a refund.
Any merchant who respects their clients would have done so.
Personally I was pleasantly surprised with the quality of the print.
Looks much better in person than online.
But this is a different story and doesnβt justify the galleryβs lack of common sense and respect for patrons.
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by 80768732 on May 14, 2021 12:33:34 GMT 1, BUMP
BUMP
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by ianarts on May 18, 2021 11:38:51 GMT 1, Selling the below editions, all in mint condition and never displayed.
Felix Treadwell screen print "Phone Stretch"
Adriana Oliver screen print + second portrait sculpture
Roby Dwi Antono print for Moosey art - SOLD
David Shrigley Basketball "The World" screen print - SOLD
PM any enquiries.
Thanks
Selling the below editions, all in mint condition and never displayed.
Felix Treadwell screen print "Phone Stretch"
Adriana Oliver screen print + second portrait sculpture
Roby Dwi Antono print for Moosey art - SOLD
David Shrigley Basketball "The World" screen print - SOLD
PM any enquiries.
Thanks
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by ap0 on May 20, 2021 10:56:02 GMT 1, (Do you have a Roby Dwi Antono Ranger Merah Print For Sale? Do you have one in your Collection? Please post here?)
Print drop in 1 hour...Anybody going for it?
(Do you have a Roby Dwi Antono Ranger Merah Print For Sale? Do you have one in your Collection? Please post here?) Print drop in 1 hour...Anybody going for it? |
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by Jimini Cricket on May 20, 2021 11:00:41 GMT 1, Print drop in 1 hour...Anybody going for it?
artport.travel/pages/roby-dwi-antono-1
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by Deleted on May 20, 2021 11:44:00 GMT 1, Print drop in 1 hour...Anybody going for it?
Β£533 plus shipping and taxes
Print drop in 1 hour...Anybody going for it? Β£533 plus shipping and taxes |
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by Ghoul Bones Jones on May 20, 2021 12:01:56 GMT 1, That went fast, I didn't stand a chance
That went fast, I didn't stand a chance
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by andi on May 20, 2021 12:03:14 GMT 1, me neither ...
me neither ...
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by Jimini Cricket on May 20, 2021 12:04:31 GMT 1, *pats bot*
You did good. You did good.
*pats bot*
You did good. You did good.
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by Deleted on May 20, 2021 12:17:56 GMT 1, How many prints has he actually made in the last 2 years? It seems a bit much to me.
How many prints has he actually made in the last 2 years? It seems a bit much to me.
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by Hairbland on May 20, 2021 12:21:26 GMT 1, Perfect for a 12 year oldβs room.
Perfect for a 12 year oldβs room.
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by clueless on May 20, 2021 12:48:19 GMT 1, How many prints has he actually made in the last 2 years? It seems a bit much to me.
How many prints has he actually made in the last 2 years? It seems a bit much to me. He's reallllllly been pumping them out lately. |
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by Jimini Cricket on May 20, 2021 13:04:25 GMT 1, How many prints has he actually made in the last 2 years? It seems a bit much to me. He's reallllllly been pumping them out lately.Β
Well, frame it this way
In 2021 alone...
Dwi Antono
Di Restoran Ed 99
Epic Fight Main Ed 200
Epic Fight Large Ed 50
Ranger Merah Ed 50
Fairey
Too friggin many!!! A single run can range from 450-550 in edition size
Arsham
Too friggin many!!! Single runs are generally editions of 500
KAWS
Open editions galore!!! Containers were an edition of 1000
How many prints has he actually made in the last 2 years? It seems a bit much to me. He's reallllllly been pumping them out lately.Β Well, frame it this way In 2021 alone... Dwi Antono Di Restoran Ed 99 Epic Fight Main Ed 200 Epic Fight Large Ed 50 Ranger Merah Ed 50 Fairey Too friggin many!!! A single run can range from 450-550 in edition size Arsham Too friggin many!!! Single runs are generally editions of 500 KAWS Open editions galore!!! Containers were an edition of 1000 |
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by Deleted on May 20, 2021 13:31:40 GMT 1, He's reallllllly been pumping them out lately.Β Well, frame it this way In 2021 alone... Dwi Antono Di Restoran Ed 99 Epic Fight Main Ed 200 Epic Fight Large Ed 50 Ranger Merah Ed 50 Fairey Too friggin many!!! A single run can range from 450-550 in edition size Arsham Too friggin many!!! Single runs are generally editions of 500 KAWS Open editions galore!!! Containers were an edition of 1000
not more ?... Hanah the first moosey Ed and some other in Asia or it was 2020? Like βThe Inception Of Lifeβ by Roby Dwi Antono
Digital print on cotton fine-art paper
Limited edition of 40
He's reallllllly been pumping them out lately.Β Well, frame it this way In 2021 alone... Dwi Antono Di Restoran Ed 99 Epic Fight Main Ed 200 Epic Fight Large Ed 50 Ranger Merah Ed 50 Fairey Too friggin many!!! A single run can range from 450-550 in edition size Arsham Too friggin many!!! Single runs are generally editions of 500 KAWS Open editions galore!!! Containers were an edition of 1000 not more ?... Hanah the first moosey Ed and some other in Asia or it was 2020? Like βThe Inception Of Lifeβ by Roby Dwi Antono Digital print on cotton fine-art paper Limited edition of 40 |
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Roby Dwi Antono π²π¨ Print Release β’ Show News β’ For Sale, by Jimini Cricket on May 20, 2021 13:37:43 GMT 1, Well, frame it this way In 2021 alone... Dwi Antono Di Restoran Ed 99 Epic Fight Main Ed 200 Epic Fight Large Ed 50 Ranger Merah Ed 50 Fairey Too friggin many!!! A single run can range from 450-550 in edition size Arsham Too friggin many!!! Single runs are generally editions of 500 KAWS Open editions galore!!! Containers were an edition of 1000 It was more ... Hanah the first moosey Ed and some other in Asia. Or I am wrong?
First Moosey drop was 2019, edition of 50.
I did specifically state 2021 alone.
If you want to count 2019 as well, then you got to count all the KAWS, Arsham, Fairey releases as well and throw in the Martin Whatsons with all the variants, Hirst's, Richters and all the Cleon Petersons.
The numbers don't lie.
Well, frame it this way In 2021 alone... Dwi Antono Di Restoran Ed 99 Epic Fight Main Ed 200 Epic Fight Large Ed 50 Ranger Merah Ed 50 Fairey Too friggin many!!! A single run can range from 450-550 in edition size Arsham Too friggin many!!! Single runs are generally editions of 500 KAWS Open editions galore!!! Containers were an edition of 1000 It was more ... Hanah the first moosey Ed and some other in Asia. Or I am wrong? First Moosey drop was 2019, edition of 50. I did specifically state 2021 alone. If you want to count 2019 as well, then you got to count all the KAWS, Arsham, Fairey releases as well and throw in the Martin Whatsons with all the variants, Hirst's, Richters and all the Cleon Petersons. The numbers don't lie. |
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