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Bristol protests, by Reader on Mar 30, 2021 17:35:40 GMT 1, Another wild idea of the left and their hero Herbert Marcuse: that words are violence so violence used against your enemy isn't violence, it's self-defense. Again, I'd say I'm shocked, but I'm not, because I've been hearing this insanity for years. Two problems, 1) The center has shifted so far right under neo-liberalism that generic racists, bigots, sexists, homophobes, Islamaphobes, conspiritualists and fearful ignoramuses have been normalised to the extent that they believe anyone who eats a vegan sausage roll is radical left. 2) Members are posting links and citations to the likes of Paxton, Bataille & Umberto Eco, and yet a random rant parroting the very worse Daily Fail propaganda is being held up as an eloquent counter argument. It's silly, it made me laugh. And no, I don't think "violence is never the answer", I think it's absolutely necessary to meet like with like, whether this is state violence used against peaceful protestors or bullies attacking marginalised individuals. So much privilege, and yet so fragile.
Another wild idea of the left and their hero Herbert Marcuse: that words are violence so violence used against your enemy isn't violence, it's self-defense. Again, I'd say I'm shocked, but I'm not, because I've been hearing this insanity for years. Two problems, 1) The center has shifted so far right under neo-liberalism that generic racists, bigots, sexists, homophobes, Islamaphobes, conspiritualists and fearful ignoramuses have been normalised to the extent that they believe anyone who eats a vegan sausage roll is radical left. 2) Members are posting links and citations to the likes of Paxton, Bataille & Umberto Eco, and yet a random rant parroting the very worse Daily Fail propaganda is being held up as an eloquent counter argument. It's silly, it made me laugh. And no, I don't think "violence is never the answer", I think it's absolutely necessary to meet like with like, whether this is state violence used against peaceful protestors or bullies attacking marginalised individuals. So much privilege, and yet so fragile.
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Bristol protests, by dirtypete on Mar 30, 2021 18:01:06 GMT 1, Why is this post funny, I thought the point was quite eloquently explained? Surely both sides of the political spectrum need to agree that violence is never the answer. The UK police arenโt perfect but the vast majority donโt need people gleefully inciting violence against them. ย Two problems, 1) The center has shifted so far right under neo-liberalism that generic racists, bigots, sexists, homophobes, Islamaphobes, conspiritualists and fearful ignoramuses have been normalised to the extent that they believe anyone who eats a vegan sausage roll is radical left. 2) Members are posting links and citations to the likes of Paxton, Bataille & Umberto Eco, and yet a random rant parroting the very worseย Daily Fail propaganda is being held up as an eloquent counter argument. It's silly, it made me laugh. And no, I don't think "violence is never the answer", I think it's absolutely necessary to meet like with like, whether this is state violence used against peaceful protestors or bullies attacking marginalised individuals.
The problem is that the โlike for likeโ violence in Bristol just provides further justification to strangle protests. While I admire people who stand up for what they believe, the use of violence is often counter intuitive.
Letโs hope we can get a credible counter to the Tories soon, as youโre carrying too much hate.
Why is this post funny, I thought the point was quite eloquently explained? Surely both sides of the political spectrum need to agree that violence is never the answer. The UK police arenโt perfect but the vast majority donโt need people gleefully inciting violence against them. ย Two problems, 1) The center has shifted so far right under neo-liberalism that generic racists, bigots, sexists, homophobes, Islamaphobes, conspiritualists and fearful ignoramuses have been normalised to the extent that they believe anyone who eats a vegan sausage roll is radical left. 2) Members are posting links and citations to the likes of Paxton, Bataille & Umberto Eco, and yet a random rant parroting the very worseย Daily Fail propaganda is being held up as an eloquent counter argument. It's silly, it made me laugh. And no, I don't think "violence is never the answer", I think it's absolutely necessary to meet like with like, whether this is state violence used against peaceful protestors or bullies attacking marginalised individuals. The problem is that the โlike for likeโ violence in Bristol just provides further justification to strangle protests. While I admire people who stand up for what they believe, the use of violence is often counter intuitive. Letโs hope we can get a credible counter to the Tories soon, as youโre carrying too much hate.
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Bristol protests, by Reader on Mar 30, 2021 18:34:15 GMT 1, Two problems, 1) The center has shifted so far right under neo-liberalism that generic racists, bigots, sexists, homophobes, Islamaphobes, conspiritualists and fearful ignoramuses have been normalised to the extent that they believe anyone who eats a vegan sausage roll is radical left. 2) Members are posting links and citations to the likes of Paxton, Bataille & Umberto Eco, and yet a random rant parroting the very worse Daily Fail propaganda is being held up as an eloquent counter argument. It's silly, it made me laugh. And no, I don't think "violence is never the answer", I think it's absolutely necessary to meet like with like, whether this is state violence used against peaceful protestors or bullies attacking marginalised individuals. The problem is that the โlike for likeโ violence in Bristol just provides further justification to strangle protests. While I admire people who stand up for what they believe, the use of violence is often counter intuitive. Letโs hope we can get a credible counter to the Tories soon, as youโre carrying too much hate. I doesn't come from a place of "hate", it comes from a place of care and love for those that have been abused and marginalised and threatened and beaten and chewed up by a system dedicated to crushing all forms of dissent. People are tired of it. Black Bloc protesting is a defense mechanism, not an aggressive ideological driven group, that's reserved for the likes of EDL and the Far Right. Being anti-fascist and anti-racist is driven by care for those with less privilege than us. The UK has developed a weird serf mentality, losing their minds when a poor person is overpaid a fiver in benefits and then just shrugs when the Home Secretary spanks 100k on her eyebrows or another person of colour is killed in Police custody. There's a small minority in protests, who simply refuse to take a shield to the face or stand idly by whilst others are attacked. It takes a lot of courage to stand up to the level of aggression the Police visit on demonstrators when being kettled, they're not mindless hate filled EDL thugs, quite the opposite. The narrative needs to change here, we each have a responsibility to protect those rights that others have fought for. Activists engaged in these struggles don't expect to "win", to beat the system, they exist as a check and balance to power, to try and maintain and hopefully expand the "rights" won by those who have gone before. In a sense, to prevent Capitalism reaching its natural end goal of Fascism, as we just experienced first hand in the USA.
Two problems, 1) The center has shifted so far right under neo-liberalism that generic racists, bigots, sexists, homophobes, Islamaphobes, conspiritualists and fearful ignoramuses have been normalised to the extent that they believe anyone who eats a vegan sausage roll is radical left. 2) Members are posting links and citations to the likes of Paxton, Bataille & Umberto Eco, and yet a random rant parroting the very worse Daily Fail propaganda is being held up as an eloquent counter argument. It's silly, it made me laugh. And no, I don't think "violence is never the answer", I think it's absolutely necessary to meet like with like, whether this is state violence used against peaceful protestors or bullies attacking marginalised individuals. The problem is that the โlike for likeโ violence in Bristol just provides further justification to strangle protests. While I admire people who stand up for what they believe, the use of violence is often counter intuitive. Letโs hope we can get a credible counter to the Tories soon, as youโre carrying too much hate. I doesn't come from a place of "hate", it comes from a place of care and love for those that have been abused and marginalised and threatened and beaten and chewed up by a system dedicated to crushing all forms of dissent. People are tired of it. Black Bloc protesting is a defense mechanism, not an aggressive ideological driven group, that's reserved for the likes of EDL and the Far Right. Being anti-fascist and anti-racist is driven by care for those with less privilege than us. The UK has developed a weird serf mentality, losing their minds when a poor person is overpaid a fiver in benefits and then just shrugs when the Home Secretary spanks 100k on her eyebrows or another person of colour is killed in Police custody. There's a small minority in protests, who simply refuse to take a shield to the face or stand idly by whilst others are attacked. It takes a lot of courage to stand up to the level of aggression the Police visit on demonstrators when being kettled, they're not mindless hate filled EDL thugs, quite the opposite. The narrative needs to change here, we each have a responsibility to protect those rights that others have fought for. Activists engaged in these struggles don't expect to "win", to beat the system, they exist as a check and balance to power, to try and maintain and hopefully expand the "rights" won by those who have gone before. In a sense, to prevent Capitalism reaching its natural end goal of Fascism, as we just experienced first hand in the USA.
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Bristol protests, by Poster Bob on Mar 30, 2021 18:56:41 GMT 1, The natural end goal of capitalism is fascism? Best thing I've ever read on this forum.
The problem is that the โlike for likeโ violence in Bristol just provides further justification to strangle protests. While I admire people who stand up for what they believe, the use of violence is often counter intuitive. Letโs hope we can get a credible counter to the Tories soon, as youโre carrying too much hate. I doesn't come from a place of "hate", it comes from a place of care and love for those that have been abused and marginalised and threatened and beaten and chewed up by a system dedicated to crushing all forms of dissent. People are tired of it. Black Bloc protesting is a defense mechanism, not an aggressive ideological driven group, that's reserved for the likes of EDL and the Far Right. Being anti-fascist and anti-racist is driven by care for those with less privilege than us. The UK has developed a weird serf mentality, losing their minds when a poor person is overpaid a fiver in benefits and then just shrugs when the Home Secretary spanks 100k on her eyebrows or another person of colour is killed in Police custody. There's a small minority in protests, who simply refuse to take a shield to the face or stand idly by whilst others are attacked. It takes a lot of courage to stand up to the level of aggression the Police visit on demonstrators when being kettled, they're not mindless hate filled EDL thugs, quite the opposite. The narrative needs to change here, we each have a responsibility to protect those rights that others have fought for. Activists engaged in these struggles don't expect to "win", to beat the system, they exist as a check and balance to power, to try and maintain and hopefully expand the "rights" won by those who have gone before. In a sense, to prevent Capitalism reaching its natural end goal of Fascism, as we just experienced first hand in the USA.
The natural end goal of capitalism is fascism? Best thing I've ever read on this forum. The problem is that the โlike for likeโ violence in Bristol just provides further justification to strangle protests. While I admire people who stand up for what they believe, the use of violence is often counter intuitive. Letโs hope we can get a credible counter to the Tories soon, as youโre carrying too much hate. I doesn't come from a place of "hate", it comes from a place of care and love for those that have been abused and marginalised and threatened and beaten and chewed up by a system dedicated to crushing all forms of dissent. People are tired of it. Black Bloc protesting is a defense mechanism, not an aggressive ideological driven group, that's reserved for the likes of EDL and the Far Right. Being anti-fascist and anti-racist is driven by care for those with less privilege than us. The UK has developed a weird serf mentality, losing their minds when a poor person is overpaid a fiver in benefits and then just shrugs when the Home Secretary spanks 100k on her eyebrows or another person of colour is killed in Police custody. There's a small minority in protests, who simply refuse to take a shield to the face or stand idly by whilst others are attacked. It takes a lot of courage to stand up to the level of aggression the Police visit on demonstrators when being kettled, they're not mindless hate filled EDL thugs, quite the opposite. The narrative needs to change here, we each have a responsibility to protect those rights that others have fought for. Activists engaged in these struggles don't expect to "win", to beat the system, they exist as a check and balance to power, to try and maintain and hopefully expand the "rights" won by those who have gone before. In a sense, to prevent Capitalism reaching its natural end goal of Fascism, as we just experienced first hand in the USA.
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Bristol protests, by Poster Bob on Mar 30, 2021 19:01:12 GMT 1, Thankfully, you, and your ilk, who are incapable of civil discourse on important and complicated subjects are not the arbiters of free speech. But keep saying anything that offends your fragile world views is hate speech. You don't appear capable of doing anything constructive.
What do you call people who harass, stalk, abuse and use violence to stifle free-speech to promote their ideology? There's a word for it... Hate speech isn't free speech
Thankfully, you, and your ilk, who are incapable of civil discourse on important and complicated subjects are not the arbiters of free speech. But keep saying anything that offends your fragile world views is hate speech. You don't appear capable of doing anything constructive. What do you call people who harass, stalk, abuse and use violence to stifle free-speech to promote their ideology? There's a word for it... Hate speech isn't free speech
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Bristol protests, by Reader on Mar 30, 2021 19:11:03 GMT 1, The natural end goal of capitalism is fascism? Best thing I've ever read on this forum. As Capitalism deteriorates, it creates the conditions for Nationalism, as we're seeing across the globe, particularly in the USA and the UK. Flag waving nationalists, corrupt politicians, advanced neo-liberalism, a militarised Police force, conspiracy and a right-wing mediascape that demonises the poor whilst the ruling class introduce laws restricting the right to peaceful protest -certainly exhibiting Fascist traits.
The natural end goal of capitalism is fascism? Best thing I've ever read on this forum. As Capitalism deteriorates, it creates the conditions for Nationalism, as we're seeing across the globe, particularly in the USA and the UK. Flag waving nationalists, corrupt politicians, advanced neo-liberalism, a militarised Police force, conspiracy and a right-wing mediascape that demonises the poor whilst the ruling class introduce laws restricting the right to peaceful protest -certainly exhibiting Fascist traits.
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Bristol protests, by Reader on Mar 30, 2021 19:18:42 GMT 1, Thankfully, you, and your ilk, who are incapable of civil discourse on important and complicated subjects are not the arbiters of free speech. But keep saying anything that offends your fragile world views is hate speech. You don't appear capable of doing anything constructive. My ilk? If you truly believe all speech is free speech, then I would implore you to exercise that. Next time you're at Heathrow, casually use your freedom and make a statement loudly and proudly in front the kind employees there that you have an unattended bag or that you have a weapon. Again, you think all speech should be free, so you should have no problem defending that in court. I think they mean "Freedom of Consequences", same with that other favoured trope of the over privileged right "Cancel Culture"... errm "Consequence Culture", now crying in their cells after the Capitol riot didnt quite pan out.
Thankfully, you, and your ilk, who are incapable of civil discourse on important and complicated subjects are not the arbiters of free speech. But keep saying anything that offends your fragile world views is hate speech. You don't appear capable of doing anything constructive. My ilk? If you truly believe all speech is free speech, then I would implore you to exercise that. Next time you're at Heathrow, casually use your freedom and make a statement loudly and proudly in front the kind employees there that you have an unattended bag or that you have a weapon. Again, you think all speech should be free, so you should have no problem defending that in court. I think they mean "Freedom of Consequences", same with that other favoured trope of the over privileged right "Cancel Culture"... errm "Consequence Culture", now crying in their cells after the Capitol riot didnt quite pan out.
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Bristol protests, by Reader on Mar 30, 2021 20:06:23 GMT 1, It's just flawed logic, which is unfortunate. Remember when the vice president of the US walked out of a football game when players knelt during the anthem? Remember when Colin Kapernick was cancelled for kneeling? Remember when the president of the US was demanding players stand during the national anthem? Where's the free speech argument there? Why even be silent during the national anthem if you believe in free speech? Or remember when the right was outraged when stores said happy holidays instead of merry Christmas? Where's your free speech? Exactly, change leads to fear and fear of change can lead to hate. I think it was Fredrick Douglas who said โIf there is no struggle, there is no progress" , so considering what we're seeing I'm still hopeful for the future.
It's just flawed logic, which is unfortunate. Remember when the vice president of the US walked out of a football game when players knelt during the anthem? Remember when Colin Kapernick was cancelled for kneeling? Remember when the president of the US was demanding players stand during the national anthem? Where's the free speech argument there? Why even be silent during the national anthem if you believe in free speech? Or remember when the right was outraged when stores said happy holidays instead of merry Christmas? Where's your free speech? Exactly, change leads to fear and fear of change can lead to hate. I think it was Fredrick Douglas who said โIf there is no struggle, there is no progress" , so considering what we're seeing I'm still hopeful for the future.
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Bristol protests, by Poster Bob on Mar 30, 2021 20:11:13 GMT 1, Good evening Children. The Supreme Court has already made the limits of free speech quite clear in regards to bodily harm. If there was a point in that rage-filled, 16-year-old (or perhaps older, Gen Z lag behind previous generations by 3 years in social development, on average) brain of yours let me know, because you certainly didn't make it.
Thankfully, you, and your ilk, who are incapable of civil discourse on important and complicated subjects are not the arbiters of free speech. But keep saying anything that offends your fragile world views is hate speech. You don't appear capable of doing anything constructive. My ilk? If you truly believe all speech is free speech, then I would implore you to exercise that. Next time you're at Heathrow, casually use your freedom and make a statement loudly and proudly in front the kind employees there that you have an unattended bag or that you have a weapon. Again, you think all speech should be free, so you should have no problem defending that in court.
Good evening Children. The Supreme Court has already made the limits of free speech quite clear in regards to bodily harm. If there was a point in that rage-filled, 16-year-old (or perhaps older, Gen Z lag behind previous generations by 3 years in social development, on average) brain of yours let me know, because you certainly didn't make it. Thankfully, you, and your ilk, who are incapable of civil discourse on important and complicated subjects are not the arbiters of free speech. But keep saying anything that offends your fragile world views is hate speech. You don't appear capable of doing anything constructive. My ilk? If you truly believe all speech is free speech, then I would implore you to exercise that. Next time you're at Heathrow, casually use your freedom and make a statement loudly and proudly in front the kind employees there that you have an unattended bag or that you have a weapon. Again, you think all speech should be free, so you should have no problem defending that in court.
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Bristol protests, by whatsthestory on Mar 30, 2021 20:16:19 GMT 1, Good evening Children. The Supreme Court has already made the limits of free speech quite clear in regards to bodily harm. If there was a point in that rage-filled, 16-year-old (or perhaps older, Gen Z lag behind previous generations by 3 years in social development, on average) brain of yours let me know, because you certainly didn't make it. My ilk? If you truly believe all speech is free speech, then I would implore you to exercise that. Next time you're at Heathrow, casually use your freedom and make a statement loudly and proudly in front the kind employees there that you have an unattended bag or that you have a weapon. Again, you think all speech should be free, so you should have no problem defending that in court.
Not been in the conversation to date but you couldn't sound more boomer if you tried there Bob
Good evening Children. The Supreme Court has already made the limits of free speech quite clear in regards to bodily harm. If there was a point in that rage-filled, 16-year-old (or perhaps older, Gen Z lag behind previous generations by 3 years in social development, on average) brain of yours let me know, because you certainly didn't make it. My ilk? If you truly believe all speech is free speech, then I would implore you to exercise that. Next time you're at Heathrow, casually use your freedom and make a statement loudly and proudly in front the kind employees there that you have an unattended bag or that you have a weapon. Again, you think all speech should be free, so you should have no problem defending that in court. Not been in the conversation to date but you couldn't sound more boomer if you tried there Bob
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Bristol protests, by Poster Bob on Mar 30, 2021 20:18:50 GMT 1, I'm looking forward to you winning the Nobel Prize in economics with your baseless assertions in communist theory.
The natural end goal of capitalism is fascism? Best thing I've ever read on this forum. As Capitalism deteriorates, it creates the conditions for Nationalism, as we're seeing across the globe, particularly in the USA and the UK. Flag waving nationalists, corrupt politicians, advanced neo-liberalism, a militarised Police force, conspiracy and a right-wing mediascape that demonises the poor whilst the ruling class introduce laws restricting the right to peaceful protest -certainly exhibiting Fascist traits.
I'm looking forward to you winning the Nobel Prize in economics with your baseless assertions in communist theory. The natural end goal of capitalism is fascism? Best thing I've ever read on this forum. As Capitalism deteriorates, it creates the conditions for Nationalism, as we're seeing across the globe, particularly in the USA and the UK. Flag waving nationalists, corrupt politicians, advanced neo-liberalism, a militarised Police force, conspiracy and a right-wing mediascape that demonises the poor whilst the ruling class introduce laws restricting the right to peaceful protest -certainly exhibiting Fascist traits.
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Bristol protests, by Poster Bob on Mar 30, 2021 20:19:34 GMT 1, I'm pushing 40. Makes sense.
Good evening Children. The Supreme Court has already made the limits of free speech quite clear in regards to bodily harm. If there was a point in that rage-filled, 16-year-old (or perhaps older, Gen Z lag behind previous generations by 3 years in social development, on average) brain of yours let me know, because you certainly didn't make it. Not been in the conversation to date but you couldn't sound more boomer if you tried there Bob
I'm pushing 40. Makes sense. Good evening Children. The Supreme Court has already made the limits of free speech quite clear in regards to bodily harm. If there was a point in that rage-filled, 16-year-old (or perhaps older, Gen Z lag behind previous generations by 3 years in social development, on average) brain of yours let me know, because you certainly didn't make it. Not been in the conversation to date but you couldn't sound more boomer if you tried there Bob
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Bristol protests, by Reader on Mar 30, 2021 20:22:20 GMT 1, I'm looking forward to you winning the Nobel Prize in economics with your baseless assertions in communist theory. As Capitalism deteriorates, it creates the conditions for Nationalism, as we're seeing across the globe, particularly in the USA and the UK. Flag waving nationalists, corrupt politicians, advanced neo-liberalism, a militarised Police force, conspiracy and a right-wing mediascape that demonises the poor whilst the ruling class introduce laws restricting the right to peaceful protest -certainly exhibiting Fascist traits. Haha, there is no waaaay you've read Foucault, Derrida, Marcuse & Horkheimer. Ayn Rand and Jordan Peterson at best. Have a good evening boss, don't forget to make yer bed ;-)
I'm looking forward to you winning the Nobel Prize in economics with your baseless assertions in communist theory. As Capitalism deteriorates, it creates the conditions for Nationalism, as we're seeing across the globe, particularly in the USA and the UK. Flag waving nationalists, corrupt politicians, advanced neo-liberalism, a militarised Police force, conspiracy and a right-wing mediascape that demonises the poor whilst the ruling class introduce laws restricting the right to peaceful protest -certainly exhibiting Fascist traits. Haha, there is no waaaay you've read Foucault, Derrida, Marcuse & Horkheimer. Ayn Rand and Jordan Peterson at best. Have a good evening boss, don't forget to make yer bed ;-)
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Bristol protests, by Fะฏ on Mar 30, 2021 21:30:57 GMT 1, Genuine question which i hope can be answered in a sensible and calm manner.
those here who think its ok protest violently to make a point against โmilitarised policeโ (riot police i think you mean). What would happen if your car was nicked, house was broken into, something stolen or much worse... who would you call? If you hate the police so much theres only one lot you could call.
ghostbusters.
Personally i think they would be on the 999 line faster than you could say golden virginia.
would this be the same situation as those not wanting the jab to sign a waver saying they dont need nhs help should they get sick.
we simply cannot have a non police state, you would be ruled by someone much worse eventually in that situation, probably jeff bezos.
Genuine question which i hope can be answered in a sensible and calm manner.
those here who think its ok protest violently to make a point against โmilitarised policeโ (riot police i think you mean). What would happen if your car was nicked, house was broken into, something stolen or much worse... who would you call? If you hate the police so much theres only one lot you could call.
ghostbusters.
Personally i think they would be on the 999 line faster than you could say golden virginia.
would this be the same situation as those not wanting the jab to sign a waver saying they dont need nhs help should they get sick.
we simply cannot have a non police state, you would be ruled by someone much worse eventually in that situation, probably jeff bezos.
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Bristol protests, by tab1 on Mar 30, 2021 21:41:18 GMT 1, Genuine question which i hope can be answered in a sensible and calm manner. those here who think its ok protest violently to make a point against โmilitarised policeโ (riot police i think you mean). What would happen if your car was nicked, house was broken into, something stolen or much worse... who would you call? If you hate the police so much theres only one lot you could call. ghostbusters. Personally i think they would be on the 999 line faster than you could say golden virginia. would this be the same situation as those not wanting the jab to sign a waver saying they dont need nhs help should they get sick. we simply cannot have a non police state, you would be ruled by someone much worse eventually in that situation, probably jeff bezos.
You are stuck on presuming individuals here want to Attack the police, no one here has stated any such thing, members here agree with the protests to raise awareness with injustices towards particular groups.to repeat no violence is encouraged towards any groups here, what does violence achieve, more issues, more hate and greater divisions between groups .
Genuine question which i hope can be answered in a sensible and calm manner. those here who think its ok protest violently to make a point against โmilitarised policeโ (riot police i think you mean). What would happen if your car was nicked, house was broken into, something stolen or much worse... who would you call? If you hate the police so much theres only one lot you could call. ghostbusters. Personally i think they would be on the 999 line faster than you could say golden virginia. would this be the same situation as those not wanting the jab to sign a waver saying they dont need nhs help should they get sick. we simply cannot have a non police state, you would be ruled by someone much worse eventually in that situation, probably jeff bezos. You are stuck on presuming individuals here want to Attack the police, no one here has stated any such thing, members here agree with the protests to raise awareness with injustices towards particular groups.to repeat no violence is encouraged towards any groups here, what does violence achieve, more issues, more hate and greater divisions between groups .
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Bristol protests, by Fะฏ on Mar 30, 2021 21:44:19 GMT 1, Genuine question which i hope can be answered in a sensible and calm manner. those here who think its ok protest violently to make a point against โmilitarised policeโ (riot police i think you mean). What would happen if your car was nicked, house was broken into, something stolen or much worse... who would you call? If you hate the police so much theres only one lot you could call. ghostbusters. Personally i think they would be on the 999 line faster than you could say golden virginia. would this be the same situation as those not wanting the jab to sign a waver saying they dont need nhs help should they get sick. we simply cannot have a non police state, you would be ruled by someone much worse eventually in that situation, probably jeff bezos. You are stuck on presuming individuals here want to Attack the police, no one here has stated any such thing, members here agree with the protests to raise awareness with injustices towards particular groups.to repeat no violence is encouraged towards any groups here, what does violence achieve, more issues, more hate and greater divisions between groups . you should read back as someone def did allude to this in their posts.
also you did not answer my question.
Genuine question which i hope can be answered in a sensible and calm manner. those here who think its ok protest violently to make a point against โmilitarised policeโ (riot police i think you mean). What would happen if your car was nicked, house was broken into, something stolen or much worse... who would you call? If you hate the police so much theres only one lot you could call. ghostbusters. Personally i think they would be on the 999 line faster than you could say golden virginia. would this be the same situation as those not wanting the jab to sign a waver saying they dont need nhs help should they get sick. we simply cannot have a non police state, you would be ruled by someone much worse eventually in that situation, probably jeff bezos. You are stuck on presuming individuals here want to Attack the police, no one here has stated any such thing, members here agree with the protests to raise awareness with injustices towards particular groups.to repeat no violence is encouraged towards any groups here, what does violence achieve, more issues, more hate and greater divisions between groups . you should read back as someone def did allude to this in their posts. also you did not answer my question.
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Bristol protests, by Fะฏ on Mar 30, 2021 22:17:12 GMT 1,
Ok. Can you answer my question as well considering you are the poster.
Ok. Can you answer my question as well considering you are the poster.
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Bristol protests, by tab1 on Mar 30, 2021 22:32:01 GMT 1, you should read back as someone def did allude to this in their posts. also you did not answer my question. Your question was aimed at those who are ok with the idea of violence against police. Tab1 has stated that he/she is not in favour of that. Why would they answer the question?
What type of women do you usually engage in conversations with, angry ones?๐ก๐
you should read back as someone def did allude to this in their posts. also you did not answer my question. Your question was aimed at those who are ok with the idea of violence against police. Tab1 has stated that he/she is not in favour of that. Why would they answer the question? What type of women do you usually engage in conversations with, angry ones?๐ก๐
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Bristol protests, by startimeash on Mar 30, 2021 22:59:04 GMT 1, Ok. Can you answer my question as well considering you are the poster. Answering this before I go to bed, so you may not get any replies to any further questions until the morning.
I had someone fire an air rifle through my front door; the pellet missed my head by about 6 inches. Called 999, got told it was probably kids, got given a crime number. No police visit.
My ex missus was driven off the road by a group of lads and down an embankment as she was coming home from a night shift. She called the police, as theyโd hit her car and were acting threatening. Copper turned up in a patrol car, asked the lads if everything was OK. They of course said yes, so he drove off. Didnโt speak to my ex wife. The lads drove off as I arrived. Took 5 months of complaints to get a grudging response from Northants Police that maybe that wasnโt on.
Credit card was defrauded. Found out where the goods had been delivered in the U.K. Gave them the name of whoโd signed for them. Was told, โcontact your insurance companyโ.
Had a couple of other serious incidents where I or someone close to me has been a victim that Iโm not sharing on a public forum, but the outcome was the same. If someone burgled my house, or assaulted me, or hit my car, then Iโd call the police for a crime number and expect nothing more, because that, in 100% of my personal interactions with them, is all they are good for. If the insurance company would pay out without one, I wouldnโt even do that.
Ok. Can you answer my question as well considering you are the poster. Answering this before I go to bed, so you may not get any replies to any further questions until the morning. I had someone fire an air rifle through my front door; the pellet missed my head by about 6 inches. Called 999, got told it was probably kids, got given a crime number. No police visit. My ex missus was driven off the road by a group of lads and down an embankment as she was coming home from a night shift. She called the police, as theyโd hit her car and were acting threatening. Copper turned up in a patrol car, asked the lads if everything was OK. They of course said yes, so he drove off. Didnโt speak to my ex wife. The lads drove off as I arrived. Took 5 months of complaints to get a grudging response from Northants Police that maybe that wasnโt on. Credit card was defrauded. Found out where the goods had been delivered in the U.K. Gave them the name of whoโd signed for them. Was told, โcontact your insurance companyโ. Had a couple of other serious incidents where I or someone close to me has been a victim that Iโm not sharing on a public forum, but the outcome was the same. If someone burgled my house, or assaulted me, or hit my car, then Iโd call the police for a crime number and expect nothing more, because that, in 100% of my personal interactions with them, is all they are good for. If the insurance company would pay out without one, I wouldnโt even do that.
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Bristol protests, by davidokaw2017 on Mar 30, 2021 23:19:19 GMT 1, The definition has changed over time on the left to the point where it is nothing more than a term that liberals throw about to apply to anything that isn't in their party platform. Quoting a dumbed-down, non-expert piece from a left-leaning organization doesn't change that. Trump is neither a fascist, nor a Nazi. Continually bandying these terms about, along with your extremely broad definition of white supremacy, has left them virtually meaningless outside of their original historical context. "Fascism is generally defined as a political movement that embraces far-right nationalism and the forceful suppression of any opposition, all overseen by an authoritarian government. Fascists strongly oppose Marxism, liberalism and democracy, and believe the state takes precedence over individual interests. They favor centralized rule, often a single party or leader, and embrace the idea of a national rebirth, a new greatness for their country. Economic self-sufficiency is prized, often through state-controlled companies. Youth, masculinity and strength are highly fetishized." www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is-fascism/
Which part of trump's policies were not in line with fascism? Make America great putting country ahead of anything else. Locking up to the children of migrants. Banning people from the USA because of their religion. The literal definition of fascism is bundle of rods which means putting the country ahead of anything else. His views on ethnic minorities? Calling all of the free press fake news? Trying to prevent minorities from voting, locking people up for demanding civil rights. How many of these left wing so called extremists have shot up schools because of their ideologies?
The definition has changed over time on the left to the point where it is nothing more than a term that liberals throw about to apply to anything that isn't in their party platform. Quoting a dumbed-down, non-expert piece from a left-leaning organization doesn't change that. Trump is neither a fascist, nor a Nazi. Continually bandying these terms about, along with your extremely broad definition of white supremacy, has left them virtually meaningless outside of their original historical context. "Fascism is generally defined as a political movement that embraces far-right nationalism and the forceful suppression of any opposition, all overseen by an authoritarian government. Fascists strongly oppose Marxism, liberalism and democracy, and believe the state takes precedence over individual interests. They favor centralized rule, often a single party or leader, and embrace the idea of a national rebirth, a new greatness for their country. Economic self-sufficiency is prized, often through state-controlled companies. Youth, masculinity and strength are highly fetishized." www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is-fascism/Which part of trump's policies were not in line with fascism? Make America great putting country ahead of anything else. Locking up to the children of migrants. Banning people from the USA because of their religion. The literal definition of fascism is bundle of rods which means putting the country ahead of anything else. His views on ethnic minorities? Calling all of the free press fake news? Trying to prevent minorities from voting, locking people up for demanding civil rights. How many of these left wing so called extremists have shot up schools because of their ideologies?
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Bristol protests, by vandamme on Mar 30, 2021 23:48:08 GMT 1, Photos taken by a professional photographer friend at the 3rd protest. Despite being a photographer documenting the protest he was still attacked by the police for no reason.
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Bristol protests, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 30, 2021 23:49:54 GMT 1, Photos taken by a professional photographer friend at the 3rd protest. Despite being a photographer documenting the protest he was still attacked by the police for no reason.
Brilliant use of the cauty shield๐คฃ
Photos taken by a professional photographer friend at the 3rd protest. Despite being a photographer documenting the protest he was still attacked by the police for no reason. Brilliant use of the cauty shield๐คฃ
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Bristol protests, by vandamme on Mar 30, 2021 23:52:16 GMT 1, Great to see ๐
Great to see ๐
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Bristol protests, by Reader on Mar 31, 2021 0:02:40 GMT 1, No convictions were returned for three white St Louis police officers accused of beating a Black undercover colleague so severely during a protest over another officerโs acquittal that he had to undergo multiple surgeries.
โIf an undercover cop canโt get justice, how will the rest of us who have been maced, shot, beaten, and brutalized ever get justice?โ Tweeted Cori Bush, a Black congresswoman who represents the Missouri district that includes St Louis.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/30/st-louis-officers-trial-luther-hall-undercover-protest
No convictions were returned for three white St Louis police officers accused of beating a Black undercover colleague so severely during a protest over another officerโs acquittal that he had to undergo multiple surgeries. โIf an undercover cop canโt get justice, how will the rest of us who have been maced, shot, beaten, and brutalized ever get justice?โ Tweeted Cori Bush, a Black congresswoman who represents the Missouri district that includes St Louis. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/30/st-louis-officers-trial-luther-hall-undercover-protest
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Bristol protests, by Fะฏ on Mar 31, 2021 0:10:05 GMT 1, Safe to say we have some unsavoury people amongst us.
Safe to say we have some unsavoury people amongst us.
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Bristol protests, by tab1 on Mar 31, 2021 0:32:26 GMT 1, What type of women do you usually engage in conversations with, angry ones?๐ก๐ I never assume. Also, the last person to call me a twit before you was my octogenarian grandmother.
Becoming worse, I am old now too, Your investigative skills failed you this time, on another thread you deduced I was not a member in question by the use of my grammar and punctuation and the topics I discussed. I will use twerp next time just for you to distinguish myself from your dearest grandmother
What type of women do you usually engage in conversations with, angry ones?๐ก๐ I never assume. Also, the last person to call me a twit before you was my octogenarian grandmother. Becoming worse, I am old now too, Your investigative skills failed you this time, on another thread you deduced I was not a member in question by the use of my grammar and punctuation and the topics I discussed. I will use twerp next time just for you to distinguish myself from your dearest grandmother
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Bristol protests, by tab1 on Mar 31, 2021 0:36:34 GMT 1, No convictions were returned for three white St Louis police officers accused of beating a Black undercover colleague so severely during a protest over another officerโs acquittal that he had to undergo multiple surgeries. โIf an undercover cop canโt get justice, how will the rest of us who have been maced, shot, beaten, and brutalized ever get justice?โ Tweeted Cori Bush, a Black congresswoman who represents the Missouri district that includes St Louis. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/30/st-louis-officers-trial-luther-hall-undercover-protest
Could only happen in america
No convictions were returned for three white St Louis police officers accused of beating a Black undercover colleague so severely during a protest over another officerโs acquittal that he had to undergo multiple surgeries. โIf an undercover cop canโt get justice, how will the rest of us who have been maced, shot, beaten, and brutalized ever get justice?โ Tweeted Cori Bush, a Black congresswoman who represents the Missouri district that includes St Louis. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/30/st-louis-officers-trial-luther-hall-undercover-protestCould only happen in america
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Bristol protests, by That Print Guy on Mar 31, 2021 0:48:48 GMT 1, What do you call people who harass, stalk, abuse and use violence to stifle free-speech to promote their ideology? There's a word for it... "left-wing terrorists" And we're done...
KKK members!
What do you call people who harass, stalk, abuse and use violence to stifle free-speech to promote their ideology? There's a word for it... "left-wing terrorists" And we're done... KKK members!
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