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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by coach on Mar 4, 2021 22:50:28 GMT 1, There was an art event a couple of years ago which allowed people to wander around certain parts of the gaol to view art placed in some of the cells. Oscar Wilde's cell was accessible. I've got a few photos taken within the prison, one of which is of a sign outside the cells referencing graffiti found in a cell. It states 'occupants to be placed on report if graffiting has occurred during occupation'. 
Heartbreaking to think of a man of such fine taste, creativity and capacity for love being put in such a cell for nothing more than loving another person.
There was an art event a couple of years ago which allowed people to wander around certain parts of the gaol to view art placed in some of the cells. Oscar Wilde's cell was accessible. I've got a few photos taken within the prison, one of which is of a sign outside the cells referencing graffiti found in a cell. It states 'occupants to be placed on report if graffiting has occurred during occupation'. Heartbreaking to think of a man of such fine taste, creativity and capacity for love being put in such a cell for nothing more than loving another person. |
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by Lord Lucas Roham on Mar 4, 2021 22:58:39 GMT 1, Won't be long before this is tagged. Home Reading Council have got a guard on watch 24/7. Even at 7ft high some p*ick will soil it.
Won't be long before this is tagged. Home Reading Council have got a guard on watch 24/7. Even at 7ft high some p*ick will soil it.
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by coach on Mar 4, 2021 23:48:27 GMT 1, Won't be long before this is tagged. Home Reading Council have got a guard on watch 24/7. Even at 7ft high some p*ick will soil it.
It would be a shame if it gets buffed. A great shame.
But I would rather that than it gets covered in Perspex
Or even worse, cut out if the wall for a rich person to own.
Street art and graffiti is by its very nature both for everyone to enjoy and ephemeral. It doesn’t and shouldn’t last for ever.
Won't be long before this is tagged. Home Reading Council have got a guard on watch 24/7. Even at 7ft high some p*ick will soil it. It would be a shame if it gets buffed. A great shame. But I would rather that than it gets covered in Perspex Or even worse, cut out if the wall for a rich person to own. Street art and graffiti is by its very nature both for everyone to enjoy and ephemeral. It doesn’t and shouldn’t last for ever. |
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by AJ on Mar 5, 2021 0:02:42 GMT 1, This explains why Bob Ross was included in the video... Brilliant And The Ballad of Reading Gaol was published under a pseudonym - C.3.3. (Oscar Wilde's cell number) - so nobody knew who the author was (until some time later). The third edition (limited to 99 copies) was signed by Wilde, but it wasn't until after the 7th edition was published that the name of the author was widely known.
Considering the level of detail that Banksy has gone into, including the Bob Ross reference, surely the logical conclusion would be to follow it up with a print in a signed edition of 99! (wishful thinking)
This explains why Bob Ross was included in the video... Brilliant And The Ballad of Reading Gaol was published under a pseudonym - C.3.3. (Oscar Wilde's cell number) - so nobody knew who the author was (until some time later). The third edition (limited to 99 copies) was signed by Wilde, but it wasn't until after the 7th edition was published that the name of the author was widely known. Considering the level of detail that Banksy has gone into, including the Bob Ross reference, surely the logical conclusion would be to follow it up with a print in a signed edition of 99! (wishful thinking) |
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by Knowss on Mar 5, 2021 0:15:21 GMT 1, Imagine if he sells that video as a NFT
Imagine if he sells that video as a NFT
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by met on Mar 5, 2021 3:20:24 GMT 1, There was an art event a couple of years ago which allowed people to wander around certain parts of the gaol to view art placed in some of the cells. Oscar Wilde's cell was accessible. I've got a few photos taken within the prison, one of which is of a sign outside the cells referencing graffiti found in a cell. It states 'occupants to be placed on report if graffiting has occurred during occupation'.  Heartbreaking to think of a man of such fine taste, creativity and capacity for love being put in such a cell for nothing more than loving another person.
Our viewpoints here are the same. And this goes beyond Oscar Wilde and England of the late 19th century.
If one wishes to do further reading on egregious cases of injustice, see what happened in the 1950s to Alan Turing* — a hero to whom the nation (in fact, the entire world) is truly indebted:
Some historians estimate that Bletchley Park's massive codebreaking operation, especially the breaking of U-boat Enigma, shortened the war in Europe by as many as two to four years.
If Turing and his group had not weakened the U-boats' hold on the North Atlantic, the 1944 Allied invasion of Europe - the D-Day landings - could have been delayed, perhaps by about a year or even longer, since the North Atlantic was the route that ammunition, fuel, food and troops had to travel in order to reach Britain from America.
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At a conservative estimate, each year of the fighting in Europe brought on average about seven million deaths, so the significance of Turing's contribution can be roughly quantified in terms of the number of additional lives that might have been lost if he had not achieved what he did.
If U-boat Enigma had not been broken, and the war had continued for another two to three years, a further 14 to 21 million people might have been killed.
Of course, even in a counterfactual scenario in which Turing was not able to break U-boat Enigma, the war might still have ended in 1945 because of some other occurrence, also contrary-to-fact, such as the dropping of a nuclear weapon on Berlin. Nevertheless, these colossal numbers of lives do convey a sense of the magnitude of Turing's contribution.
— Professor Jack Copeland, University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Source*
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However, the focus of our attention is possibly misplaced.
On the issue of LGBT rights, rather than looking at events that happened in England prior to the Sexual Offences Act 1967, I would suggest we explore where we are in the world today.
A couple of relevant links:
www.theweek.co.uk/96298/the-countries-where-homosexuality-is-still-illegal
www.humandignitytrust.org/lgbt-the-law/map-of-criminalisation
Extracts from the Human Dignity Trust website:
Map of Countries that Criminalise LGBT People
Map of Countries where the Death Penalty Exists for LGBT People
There are currently "11 jurisdictions in which the death penalty is imposed or at least a possibility for private, consensual same-sex sexual activity. At least 6 [sic] of these implement the death penalty – Iran, Northern Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Somalia and Yemen – and the death penalty is a legal possibility in Afghanistan, Brunei, Mauritania, Pakistan, Qatar and UAE."
I'm always open to honest exchanges of opinions. And intellectual honesty, along with clarity and a bit of courage — as opposed to dodging awkward questions, cowardly evasiveness, and attempts to obfuscate — are perhaps what we need most when it comes to sensitive or uncomfortable subject matters.
Specifically with respect to LGBT rights, my own opinion would be that the above countries are backward. The laws they have in place conflict with fundamental human rights — betraying a regressive, unenlightened, shackled mindset (at the very least, of the legislators and policymakers).
I trust this stance is clear and unambiguous.
So, does anyone now wish to argue an opposing position, by taking the side of cultural relativism? Or religious dogma?
There was an art event a couple of years ago which allowed people to wander around certain parts of the gaol to view art placed in some of the cells. Oscar Wilde's cell was accessible. I've got a few photos taken within the prison, one of which is of a sign outside the cells referencing graffiti found in a cell. It states 'occupants to be placed on report if graffiting has occurred during occupation'. Heartbreaking to think of a man of such fine taste, creativity and capacity for love being put in such a cell for nothing more than loving another person. Our viewpoints here are the same. And this goes beyond Oscar Wilde and England of the late 19th century. If one wishes to do further reading on egregious cases of injustice, see what happened in the 1950s to Alan Turing* — a hero to whom the nation (in fact, the entire world) is truly indebted: Some historians estimate that Bletchley Park's massive codebreaking operation, especially the breaking of U-boat Enigma, shortened the war in Europe by as many as two to four years.
If Turing and his group had not weakened the U-boats' hold on the North Atlantic, the 1944 Allied invasion of Europe - the D-Day landings - could have been delayed, perhaps by about a year or even longer, since the North Atlantic was the route that ammunition, fuel, food and troops had to travel in order to reach Britain from America.
[...]
At a conservative estimate, each year of the fighting in Europe brought on average about seven million deaths, so the significance of Turing's contribution can be roughly quantified in terms of the number of additional lives that might have been lost if he had not achieved what he did.
If U-boat Enigma had not been broken, and the war had continued for another two to three years, a further 14 to 21 million people might have been killed.
Of course, even in a counterfactual scenario in which Turing was not able to break U-boat Enigma, the war might still have ended in 1945 because of some other occurrence, also contrary-to-fact, such as the dropping of a nuclear weapon on Berlin. Nevertheless, these colossal numbers of lives do convey a sense of the magnitude of Turing's contribution.— Professor Jack Copeland, University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New ZealandSource *__________ However, the focus of our attention is possibly misplaced. On the issue of LGBT rights, rather than looking at events that happened in England prior to the Sexual Offences Act 1967, I would suggest we explore where we are in the world today. A couple of relevant links: www.theweek.co.uk/96298/the-countries-where-homosexuality-is-still-illegalwww.humandignitytrust.org/lgbt-the-law/map-of-criminalisationExtracts from the Human Dignity Trust website: Map of Countries that Criminalise LGBT PeopleMap of Countries where the Death Penalty Exists for LGBT PeopleThere are currently "11 jurisdictions in which the death penalty is imposed or at least a possibility for private, consensual same-sex sexual activity. At least 6 [sic] of these implement the death penalty – Iran, Northern Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Somalia and Yemen – and the death penalty is a legal possibility in Afghanistan, Brunei, Mauritania, Pakistan, Qatar and UAE."I'm always open to honest exchanges of opinions. And intellectual honesty, along with clarity and a bit of courage — as opposed to dodging awkward questions, cowardly evasiveness, and attempts to obfuscate — are perhaps what we need most when it comes to sensitive or uncomfortable subject matters. Specifically with respect to LGBT rights, my own opinion would be that the above countries are backward. The laws they have in place conflict with fundamental human rights — betraying a regressive, unenlightened, shackled mindset (at the very least, of the legislators and policymakers). I trust this stance is clear and unambiguous. So, does anyone now wish to argue an opposing position, by taking the side of cultural relativism? Or religious dogma? |
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by trapnel1 on Mar 5, 2021 18:53:03 GMT 1, And The Ballad of Reading Gaol was published under a pseudonym - C.3.3. (Oscar Wilde's cell number) - so nobody knew who the author was (until some time later). The third edition (limited to 99 copies) was signed by Wilde, but it wasn't until after the 7th edition was published that the name of the author was widely known. Considering the level of detail that Banksy has gone into, including the Bob Ross reference, surely the logical conclusion would be to follow it up with a print in a signed edition of 99! (wishful thinking)
The first edition of The Ballad of Reading Gaol was 800 copies (unsigned - wish they were worth as much as as Banksy's!) plus 30 specials...... At least they didn't need to worry about the bots in those days.
And The Ballad of Reading Gaol was published under a pseudonym - C.3.3. (Oscar Wilde's cell number) - so nobody knew who the author was (until some time later). The third edition (limited to 99 copies) was signed by Wilde, but it wasn't until after the 7th edition was published that the name of the author was widely known. Considering the level of detail that Banksy has gone into, including the Bob Ross reference, surely the logical conclusion would be to follow it up with a print in a signed edition of 99! (wishful thinking)
The first edition of The Ballad of Reading Gaol was 800 copies (unsigned - wish they were worth as much as as Banksy's!) plus 30 specials...... At least they didn't need to worry about the bots in those days.
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by max1 on Mar 5, 2021 18:59:24 GMT 1, Would make a good wall section design 😁
Would make a good wall section design 😁 |
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by artdelight on Mar 6, 2021 21:51:45 GMT 1, Another masterpiece made with a montana colors can
Another masterpiece made with a montana colors can
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by iamzero on Mar 7, 2021 9:46:02 GMT 1, Would make a good wall section design 😁
Woodey1001 just got a woody...
Would make a good wall section design 😁 Woodey1001 just got a woody... |
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by Sam Am on Mar 7, 2021 14:23:11 GMT 1,
had a little detour today, absolutely love it although it’s yet to be covered and it’s only a matter of time before someone throws some paint over it..
had a little detour today, absolutely love it although it’s yet to be covered and it’s only a matter of time before someone throws some paint over it.. |
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by max1 on Mar 14, 2021 11:56:42 GMT 1, Got a rare window to see Banksy this morning with no one around. I see someone has tried to paint next to it.
Got a rare window to see Banksy this morning with no one around. I see someone has tried to paint next to it. |
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by EKAP on Mar 16, 2021 8:33:40 GMT 1, On the radio this morning that Team Robbo has defaced this. Not seen any pics yet.
On the radio this morning that Team Robbo has defaced this. Not seen any pics yet.
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by Lord Lucas Roham on Mar 16, 2021 8:46:09 GMT 1, Was inevitable. The Council should hang their heads in shame that they didn't apply protection to the work. A missed opportunity.
Was inevitable. The Council should hang their heads in shame that they didn't apply protection to the work. A missed opportunity.
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by inefficiencyof on Mar 16, 2021 8:47:01 GMT 1,
Such mixed feelings about it. Always think it’s such a shame, especially after it’s generally to raise awareness of a good cause, but then... it’s just graffiti and that’s how it goes. 🤨🤷🏻♂️😫
Such mixed feelings about it. Always think it’s such a shame, especially after it’s generally to raise awareness of a good cause, but then... it’s just graffiti and that’s how it goes. 🤨🤷🏻♂️😫 |
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by EKAP on Mar 16, 2021 9:12:14 GMT 1, Interesting wording - the Banksy work is a 'mural' that has been vandalised.
Interesting wording - the Banksy work is a 'mural' that has been vandalised. |
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by marrosi on Mar 16, 2021 9:39:15 GMT 1, Really sad. I was planning to visit it after lockdown 
Really sad. I was planning to visit it after lockdown |
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by happyshopper on Mar 16, 2021 9:52:58 GMT 1, Interesting wording - the Banksy work is a 'mural' that has been vandalised.
Another interesting part of that article... notice under one of the pictures it says the Banksy mural has renewed interest in turning the prison into an arts venue?
I’ve heard through arts contacts on LinkedIn that the Banksy mural was actually a planned piece of PR for the new arts centre (or that’s how it seems).
Interesting wording - the Banksy work is a 'mural' that has been vandalised. Another interesting part of that article... notice under one of the pictures it says the Banksy mural has renewed interest in turning the prison into an arts venue? I’ve heard through arts contacts on LinkedIn that the Banksy mural was actually a planned piece of PR for the new arts centre (or that’s how it seems). |
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by ajr on Mar 16, 2021 10:04:45 GMT 1, Its graffiti, so let it be. Plus it brings it back into the news for attention.
Its graffiti, so let it be. Plus it brings it back into the news for attention. |
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by buffin on Mar 16, 2021 10:35:09 GMT 1, Another interesting part of that article... notice under one of the pictures it says the Banksy mural has renewed interest in turning the prison into an arts venue? I’ve heard through arts contacts on LinkedIn that the Banksy mural was actually a planned piece of PR for the new arts centre (or that’s how it seems). In that case, it's good to see Team Robbo bring some chaos to the party 😁
A protest against the creation of an art centre is good to see? Strange values.
Another interesting part of that article... notice under one of the pictures it says the Banksy mural has renewed interest in turning the prison into an arts venue? I’ve heard through arts contacts on LinkedIn that the Banksy mural was actually a planned piece of PR for the new arts centre (or that’s how it seems). In that case, it's good to see Team Robbo bring some chaos to the party 😁 A protest against the creation of an art centre is good to see? Strange values. |
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by midlifecrisis on Mar 16, 2021 10:59:28 GMT 1, A protest against an the creation of an art centre is good to see? Strange values. More like a warrior code.
A protest against an the creation of an art centre is good to see? Strange values. More like a warrior code. |
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by dice on Mar 16, 2021 11:03:43 GMT 1, This piece had the opportunity to become a real beacon for the town much like the man hanging out of the window in Bristol. It’s a shame it’s been ruined IMO
This piece had the opportunity to become a real beacon for the town much like the man hanging out of the window in Bristol. It’s a shame it’s been ruined IMO
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by midlifecrisis on Mar 16, 2021 11:07:03 GMT 1, Team Robbo at Reading prison last night 😁 
Team Robbo at Reading prison last night 😁 |
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by Lord Lucas Roham on Mar 16, 2021 11:23:19 GMT 1, On the radio this morning that Team Robbo has defaced this. Not seen any pics yet. Three cheers for Team Robbo!
Will be a spotty little skateboarder in his teens, probably doesn't even know who Robbo was.
Reading is a dump, this doesn't surprise me.
On the radio this morning that Team Robbo has defaced this. Not seen any pics yet. Three cheers for Team Robbo! Team Robbo... lol. Will be a spotty little skateboarder in his teens, probably doesn't even know who Robbo was. Reading is a dump, this doesn't surprise me. |
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by buffin on Mar 16, 2021 11:25:19 GMT 1, On the radio this morning that Team Robbo has defaced this. Not seen any pics yet. Three cheers for Team Robbo!
For derailing efforts to create an arts centre?
On the radio this morning that Team Robbo has defaced this. Not seen any pics yet. Three cheers for Team Robbo! For derailing efforts to create an arts centre? |
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by inefficiencyof on Mar 16, 2021 11:36:32 GMT 1, Team Robbo... lol. Will be a spotty little skateboarder in his teens, probably doesn't even know who Robbo was. Reading is a dump, this doesn't surprise me. Nice handstyle though...
But it’s not particularly a great hand style though? The original spat between both Banksy and Robbo was creative. Both using each other pieces to create something with a little bit of flare. This is just dogging.
If they wanted to dog this like Robbo would have, it needed a bit of creativity, maybe a tag with scissors coming off to cut the rope, or a hole or trap where the prisoner would land in for eg, Maybe just something a little bit creative. 🤷🏻♂️
Team Robbo... lol. Will be a spotty little skateboarder in his teens, probably doesn't even know who Robbo was. Reading is a dump, this doesn't surprise me. Nice handstyle though... But it’s not particularly a great hand style though? The original spat between both Banksy and Robbo was creative. Both using each other pieces to create something with a little bit of flare. This is just dogging. If they wanted to dog this like Robbo would have, it needed a bit of creativity, maybe a tag with scissors coming off to cut the rope, or a hole or trap where the prisoner would land in for eg, Maybe just something a little bit creative. 🤷🏻♂️ |
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by majestic on Mar 16, 2021 12:07:19 GMT 1, I get the whole history but this just seems a bit mindless to me.
I get the whole history but this just seems a bit mindless to me.
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by skinback on Mar 16, 2021 12:22:23 GMT 1, Lazy and shit are two words that spring to mind
Lazy and shit are two words that spring to mind
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New Banksy? Reading Prison , by Fred West Country Prince on Mar 16, 2021 12:32:12 GMT 1, Lazy and shit are two words that spring to mind
Lazy and shit are two words that spring to mind It is lazy. They should've defaced the whole thing. |
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