[skybluemark]

graffitiprints.myshopify.com

[Yabadabdo]

Feb 15, 2021 19:18:55 GMT 1 skybluemark said:

graffitiprints.myshopify.com

Notice graffitiprints warning to EU customers they will need to pay import fees/taxes, then go on to say "To make things fair all round we are now charging 20% VAT on all UK sales."
Were they not already charging vat? I didn't think you could decide yourself whether you want to charge vat or not when selling within the UK. Does this mean they will add another 20% to the advertised purchase price?

[Jimini Cricket]

Feb 15, 2021 20:12:26 GMT 1 Yabadabdo said:

Feb 15, 2021 19:18:55 GMT 1 skybluemark said:

graffitiprints.myshopify.com

Notice graffitiprints warning to EU customers they will need to pay import fees/taxes, then go on to say "To make things fair all round we are now charging 20% VAT on all UK sales."
Were they not already charging vat? I didn't think you could decide yourself whether you want to charge vat or not when selling within the UK. Does this mean they will add another 20% to the advertised purchase price?

Sure is!

[Yabadabdo]

Feb 15, 2021 20:19:38 GMT 1 Jimini Cricket said:

Feb 15, 2021 20:12:26 GMT 1 Yabadabdo said:

Notice graffitiprints warning to EU customers they will need to pay import fees/taxes, then go on to say "To make things fair all round we are now charging 20% VAT on all UK sales."
Were they not already charging vat? I didn't think you could decide yourself whether you want to charge vat or not when selling within the UK. Does this mean they will add another 20% to the advertised purchase price?

Sure is!

Thought that was illegal, one way or the other (either should have already or shouldn't be now)

[Sebastian Dusseldorf]

Interesting move. Guess it makes a lot of sense, if you have an international customer base.
Especially given the already costly 60£ shipping fee, another disadvantage would definitely reduce my interest in buying as a EU citizen.

[Yabadabdo]

Feb 15, 2021 20:23:40 GMT 1 Yabadabdo said:

Feb 15, 2021 20:19:38 GMT 1 Jimini Cricket said:

Sure is!

Thought that was illegal, one way or the other (either should have already or shouldn't be now)

What it should be, is we pay their usual price(vat included) and EU customers pay the price without the 20% as they will have to pay their own vat. This is probably what they mean.

[Yabadabdo]

Feb 15, 2021 20:31:19 GMT 1 Sebastian Dusseldorf said:

Interesting move. Guess it makes a lot of sense, if you have an international customer base.
Especially given the already costly 60£ shipping fee, another disadvantage would definitely reduce my interest in buying as a EU citizen.

It's the fair way, if all they are doing is removing the 20% uk vat for EU customers.

[Sebastian Dusseldorf]

Feb 15, 2021 20:34:47 GMT 1 Yabadabdo said:

Feb 15, 2021 20:31:19 GMT 1 Sebastian Dusseldorf said:

Interesting move. Guess it makes a lot of sense, if you have an international customer base.
Especially given the already costly 60£ shipping fee, another disadvantage would definitely reduce my interest in buying as a EU citizen.

It's the fair way, if all they are doing is removing the 20% uk vat for EU customers.

I guess that's what they did already.
The print is actually 300£ (but showing 250£ excl. VAT). Which is a reasonable price I think.

[Jimini Cricket]

Lazy Inc were dirty bastards.
You live outside UK £600 print + 0 tax
You live in UK £500 print + £100 vat.
Fuk em in the eye with a blunt object.

[Icesay]

I don't think vat on a low cost print will put anyone off if they want it. Sheesh if you're buying art right now, you're doing OK. If 50 quid really makes a difference perhaps you should be putting food on the table.

[JW]

Feb 15, 2021 21:05:37 GMT 1 Icesay said:

I don't think vat on a low cost print will put anyone off if they want it. Sheesh if you're buying art right now, you're doing OK. If 50 quid really makes a difference perhaps you should be putting food on the table.

But when added to ebay and paypal fees, it's death by a thousand cuts to the instant flip profit... 

[Winks]

Don’t understand this at all. If your turnover is above £85k you are vat registered. They must be over that so were charging vat previously. So what does “ To make things fair all round we are now charging 20% VAT on all UK sales” actually mean?

[JW]

Feb 15, 2021 22:07:10 GMT 1 Winks said:

Don’t understand this at all. If your turnover is above £85k you are vat registered. They must be over that so were charging vat previously. So what does “ To make things fair all round we are now charging 20% VAT on all UK sales” actually mean?

Am I right to assume previous UK sales inclusive of VAT (ie. the technical "sale price" for the UK was reduced by 20%) - and sales elsewhere were exclusive of taxes?

[Winks]

Feb 15, 2021 22:18:58 GMT 1 JW said:

Feb 15, 2021 22:07:10 GMT 1 Winks said:

Don’t understand this at all. If your turnover is above £85k you are vat registered. They must be over that so were charging vat previously. So what does “ To make things fair all round we are now charging 20% VAT on all UK sales” actually mean?

Am I right to assume previous UK sales inclusive of VAT (ie. the technical "sale price" for the UK was reduced by 20%) - and sales elsewhere were exclusive of taxes?

The price for U.K. and EU was always inclusive of vat. Exports to non EU should have been no vat.
I’m not really understanding why adding 20% to U.K. customers is somehow making things fairer. That extra % won’t suddenly go to the vat man. It will go to GP. Or 5/6ths would.
I’m also not in agreement with the whole it’s only another £50 argument. Where does that end?

[Graffiti Prints]

We have always sucked up vat in the whole of the eu including U.K.

We split the monies with from prints after costs only not after vat.

Meaning we paid all the vat ourselves and non of our artists think about the vat and it cost us dearly especially as the years went on our vat bills were massive.

Now we have had too think about it because all our EU customers will
Pay import etc as the rest of world always have.

So we decided to start charging the U.K. so it’s fair on everybody for once including us.

the U.K. is only 5-8% of our business and if that means less sales so be it. It was a good time to charge vat so we did.

Everyone knows the quality of the prints and costs associated vs price we sell is way too low on GP.

So we levelled the paying field it’s been unfair on the rest of the world for years.

And yes we make more money by charging the vat as our bills are paid for by the vat we charge to U.K. customers.

The way it should have been from the start

[Funny Farmiom]

Feb 15, 2021 23:03:31 GMT 1 Graffiti Prints said:

We have always sucked up vat in the whole of the eu including U.K.

We split the monies with from prints after costs only not after vat.

Meaning we paid all the vat ourselves and non of our artists think about the vat and it cost us dearly especially as the years went on our vat bills were massive.

Now we have had too think about it because all our EU customers will
Pay import etc as the rest of world always have.

So we decided to start charging the U.K. so it’s fair on everybody for once including us.

the U.K. is only 5-8% of our business and if that means less sales so be it. It was a good time to charge vat so we did.

Everyone knows the quality of the prints and costs associated vs price we sell is way too low on GP.

So we levelled the paying field it’s been unfair on the rest of the world for years.

And yes we make more money by charging the vat as our bills are paid for by the vat we charge to U.K. customers.

The way it should have been from the start

The quality of GP art is outstanding as is the quality of the COAs as well and your pricing is amazing for your releases. No issues with the change as a UK customer as they are still a great buy. I’ve had Pez, Findac, Otto Schade and Hama Woods off you guys and all have been amazing, arrived quickly, packaged well in immaculate condition.

Desperate for that Triple Leaf to go with my collection but know realistically I won’t be lucky enough.


Keep up the great work.

[J0NNY]

Feb 15, 2021 22:39:17 GMT 1 Winks said:

Feb 15, 2021 22:18:58 GMT 1 JW said:

Am I right to assume previous UK sales inclusive of VAT (ie. the technical "sale price" for the UK was reduced by 20%) - and sales elsewhere were exclusive of taxes?

The price for U.K. and EU was always inclusive of vat. Exports to non EU should have been no vat.
I’m not really understanding why adding 20% to U.K. customers is somehow making things fairer. That extra % won’t suddenly go to the vat man. It will go to GP. Or 5/6ths would.
I’m also not in agreement with the whole it’s only another £50 argument. Where does that end?

I have asked for a refund on the VAT a number of occasions but never heard anything back. Not that fussed but I try to give as little to the UK government as possible these days, and it does help to cover the sometimes ridiculous postage charges.

[Poster Bob]

It's just an excuse to make more money. Like others have said, he never removed VAT when shipping outside of the EU when the UK was still a member. He pocketed it. Like those £30 UPS shipping charges he doesn't refund when he uses Royal Mail for £9 a piece.

Thanks for the pre-order Giancarlo 😉

[theonlytexaspete]

“the U.K. is only 5-8% of our business and if that means less sales so be it. It was a good time to charge vat so we did”

So we get stuck with double VAT, and your saying you don’t want UK sales??

[Ravnur 2020]

I have never dealt with this gallery so I cannot say anything about their services, but honestly how can something so simple become so complicated?

You charge VAT on UK sales, not on international sales. How you split it with the artist is your and the artists decision and has nothing to do with fairness in pricing towards the customer.

And to tell all UK customers their custom is worthless is pretty arrogant in my ears.

[tab1]

Feb 16, 2021 0:16:31 GMT 1 Ravnur 2020 said:

I have never dealt with this gallery so I cannot say anything about their services, but honestly how can something so simple become so complicated?

You charge VAT on UK sales, not on international sales. How you split it with the artist is your and the artists decision and has nothing to do with fairness in pricing towards the customer.

And to tell all UK customers their custom is worthless is pretty arrogant in my ears.

When business is good sometimes lose track and importance of the original customer base

[Jimini Cricket]

Feb 15, 2021 23:34:06 GMT 1 Poster Bob said:

It's just an excuse to make more money. Like others have said, he never removed VAT when shipping outside of the EU when the UK was still a member. He pocketed it. Like those £30 UPS shipping charges he doesn't refund when he uses Royal Mail for £9 a piece.

Thanks for the pre-order Giancarlo 😉

Jeez. How many aliases you been through. Lol.

I'm on my tenth. Gotta mix it up.

[kalm]

VAT always seemed crazy to me. What a greedy, greedy govt.


Don’t you guys already pay income tax? So, taxed when you make it, tax when you spend it (twice), taxed when you save it, taxed when you die?

Awesome.

[Johnny Bravo]

Feb 15, 2021 23:03:31 GMT 1 Graffiti Prints said:

We have always sucked up vat in the whole of the eu including U.K.

We split the monies with from prints after costs only not after vat.

Meaning we paid all the vat ourselves and non of our artists think about the vat and it cost us dearly especially as the years went on our vat bills were massive.

Now we have had too think about it because all our EU customers will
Pay import etc as the rest of world always have.

So we decided to start charging the U.K. so it’s fair on everybody for once including us.

the U.K. is only 5-8% of our business and if that means less sales so be it. It was a good time to charge vat so we did.

Everyone knows the quality of the prints and costs associated vs price we sell is way too low on GP.

So we levelled the paying field it’s been unfair on the rest of the world for years.

And yes we make more money by charging the vat as our bills are paid for by the vat we charge to U.K. customers.

The way it should have been from the start

Bad move IMO. “Levelled the playing field” “if it means less sales then so be it” basically saying - we don’t give a shit about our UK costumer base. Nice one

[Sebastian Dusseldorf]

Wow, that approach sprked quite some conversation.
It's funny to see though that in the end those who oppose this move also tend to have an issue with paying taxes and a level playing field in general.

I think the communication should have been more transparent from the beginning (= 250£ + VAT), but still hope this becomes a standard for businesses with an international focus.

[max1]

Did a dummy run to see what the invoice would look like (for UK customers), as I'm not going to be checking this in detail during the drop!

[Poster Bob]

Consumption taxes are the fairest method of leveling the playing field, as Giuseppe so eloquently put it. That is, unless you're some dirty Marxist.

Feb 16, 2021 8:00:07 GMT 1 kalm said:

VAT always seemed crazy to me. What a greedy, greedy govt.


Don’t you guys already pay income tax? So, taxed when you make it, tax when you spend it (twice), taxed when you save it, taxed when you die?

Awesome.

[Happy Shopper]

Feb 15, 2021 23:03:31 GMT 1 Graffiti Prints said:

We have always sucked up vat in the whole of the eu including U.K.

So, if a print sold for £200 you told HMRC it sold for £240 incl VAT and paid the £40 out of the £200!?

Or you sold the print for £240, just didn’t say that that included VAT?

[Poster Bob]

Don't forget that for that £30 shipping charge he'll use Royal Mail for £9 and pocket the difference. He makes a killing on shipping.

Feb 16, 2021 9:29:40 GMT 1 max1 said:

Did a dummy run to see what the invoice would look like (for UK customers), as I'm not going to be checking this in detail during the drop!

[Graffiti Prints]

Feb 16, 2021 9:42:17 GMT 1 Happy Shopper said:

Feb 15, 2021 23:03:31 GMT 1 Graffiti Prints said:

We have always sucked up vat in the whole of the eu including U.K.

So, if a print sold for £200 you told HMRC it sold for £240 incl VAT and paid the £40 out of the £200!?

Or you sold the print for £240, just didn’t say that that included VAT?

If we sold a print for 200 we paid vat in the Eu on 200

But split the 200 with the artist meaning we always lost out.

We do care about the U.K simple as that but I felt this was a good time to add vat on the site and address the vat issue we had.

It’s now fair on everyone as rest of the world have paid import since the beginning