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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by terryfuckwitt on Feb 5, 2021 22:22:34 GMT 1, The road of "galleries being uninformed and selling tat that turned out to be fake"? All roads currently lead to Nick Lobster at Tate Ward.
Question one of two is, which road, if indeed there is one, leads to Nick?
Question two is, what is Nick's position within Tate Ward? He's not listed on Companies House info, nor on their websites 'meet the team' page... So what exactly is his involvement in the company?
1. M25? Goes round and fuckin round with congestion everywhere.
2. Owner? Maybe
The road of "galleries being uninformed and selling tat that turned out to be fake"? All roads currently lead to Nick Lobster at Tate Ward.
Question one of two is, which road, if indeed there is one, leads to Nick?
Question two is, what is Nick's position within Tate Ward? He's not listed on Companies House info, nor on their websites 'meet the team' page... So what exactly is his involvement in the company?
1. M25? Goes round and fuckin round with congestion everywhere. 2. Owner? Maybe |
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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by vad77 on Feb 6, 2021 0:03:13 GMT 1, The road of "galleries being uninformed and selling tat that turned out to be fake"? All roads currently lead to Nick Lobster at Tate Ward.
Question one of two is, which road, if indeed there is one, leads to Nick?
Question two is, what is Nick's position within Tate Ward? He's not listed on Companies House info, nor on their websites 'meet the team' page... So what exactly is his involvement in the company?
I am not going to throw out names here, as I oppose a witch hunt, by self-proclaimed art policemen with anonymous accounts. Though, there is no need to be a Sherlock Holmes to find it out.
The road of "galleries being uninformed and selling tat that turned out to be fake"? All roads currently lead to Nick Lobster at Tate Ward.
Question one of two is, which road, if indeed there is one, leads to Nick?
Question two is, what is Nick's position within Tate Ward? He's not listed on Companies House info, nor on their websites 'meet the team' page... So what exactly is his involvement in the company?
Do not mean to defend Nick, but TW is not the only auction that has been consistently selling those petrol bomb fakes, neither they sold the most of them (not sure how many was sold in private by Nick). There are auction houses, that sold significantly more of them. For the fact, there is an auction that has been pumping 1-3 pieces a month at some point, and sales going back for years. I have been trying to email them (probably last summer), asking to stop it, but no action was taken. I am not going to throw out names here, as I oppose a witch hunt, by self-proclaimed art policemen with anonymous accounts. Though, there is no need to be a Sherlock Holmes to find it out. |
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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by Ruskr on Feb 7, 2021 12:01:26 GMT 1, Ive bought a Fake framed Museum Standard by a Member here.
Now he does not want return the Money before I ship it back around half the world.
Even when he admitted it was fake. He told me such a long Story about the dead solid Provenance from somebody sold it which works on POW. Bought also a Rat, Soupcan and Hotel Poster from him. Just again a expensive lesson not to buy from People without Reputation.
Ive bought a Fake framed Museum Standard by a Member here.
Now he does not want return the Money before I ship it back around half the world.
Even when he admitted it was fake. He told me such a long Story about the dead solid Provenance from somebody sold it which works on POW. Bought also a Rat, Soupcan and Hotel Poster from him. Just again a expensive lesson not to buy from People without Reputation.
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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by Ruskr on Feb 7, 2021 12:08:00 GMT 1, sorry for double posting.
sorry for double posting.
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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by barki on Feb 7, 2021 13:27:29 GMT 1, Damn that sucks...
What's usually the way these refunds happen when a piece turns out to be fake?
Sounds reasonable for the seller to get it back to confirm its fake, before refunding it, right?
Damn that sucks...
What's usually the way these refunds happen when a piece turns out to be fake?
Sounds reasonable for the seller to get it back to confirm its fake, before refunding it, right?
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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by Dive Jedi ⭐ on Feb 7, 2021 13:36:14 GMT 1, Damn that sucks... What's usually the way these refunds happen when a piece turns out to be fake? Sounds reasonable for the seller to get it back to confirm its fake, before refunding it, right?
I have had some items returned in the last few years (not fakes!)
and I send a refund after the item is back here.
When you buy, you pay first and the item is sent after.
When you return an item, you send it first and is refuded after.
So it doesn't make sense in that regard. But that how it usually works.
Damn that sucks... What's usually the way these refunds happen when a piece turns out to be fake? Sounds reasonable for the seller to get it back to confirm its fake, before refunding it, right? Well, according to the OP the seller already admitted it is fake.... I have had some items returned in the last few years (not fakes!) and I send a refund after the item is back here. When you buy, you pay first and the item is sent after. When you return an item, you send it first and is refuded after. So it doesn't make sense in that regard. But that how it usually works. |
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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by Ruskr on Feb 7, 2021 14:37:09 GMT 1, Damn that sucks... What's usually the way these refunds happen when a piece turns out to be fake? Sounds reasonable for the seller to get it back to confirm its fake, before refunding it, right?
Damn that sucks... What's usually the way these refunds happen when a piece turns out to be fake? Sounds reasonable for the seller to get it back to confirm its fake, before refunding it, right? I've paid upfront for the Piece. So I already gave him Trust once. Then it turns out its clearly fake without any doubt. And the seller admit it fake. So there is no reason for returning the Piece before the money is returned. |
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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by overend on Feb 7, 2021 14:47:45 GMT 1, Fakes should be shredded by the buyer after getting your funds returned to prevent them being sold to some other sucker again. Removed from circulation.
Might the police not want them if there is an investigation going on?
Fakes should be shredded by the buyer after getting your funds returned to prevent them being sold to some other sucker again. Removed from circulation. Might the police not want them if there is an investigation going on? |
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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by barki on Feb 7, 2021 15:30:15 GMT 1, Hmm I guess that's between you and the seller then
sucks to hear tho, good luck!
Hmm I guess that's between you and the seller then
sucks to hear tho, good luck!
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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by Ruskr on Feb 7, 2021 15:33:23 GMT 1, Hmm I guess that's between you and the seller then sucks to hear tho, good luck!
And you offered a GDP rat on the Forum on the 14th of January on the Forum. The same day (2hours difference) the Guy which sold me a Fake one offered me a GDP Rat after not talking to him for months.
Hmm I guess that's between you and the seller then sucks to hear tho, good luck! Where are you from? You are using somehow the same Folder like the guy which sold me the Fake one. And you offered a GDP rat on the Forum on the 14th of January on the Forum. The same day (2hours difference) the Guy which sold me a Fake one offered me a GDP Rat after not talking to him for months. |
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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by barki on Feb 7, 2021 21:54:09 GMT 1, Hmm I guess that's between you and the seller then sucks to hear tho, good luck! Where are you from? You are using somehow the same Folder like the guy which sold me the Fake one. And you offered a GDP rat on the Forum on the 14th of January on the Forum. The same day (2hours difference) the Guy which sold me a Fake one offered me a GDP Rat after not talking to him for months.
Hmm I guess that's between you and the seller then sucks to hear tho, good luck! Where are you from? You are using somehow the same Folder like the guy which sold me the Fake one. And you offered a GDP rat on the Forum on the 14th of January on the Forum. The same day (2hours difference) the Guy which sold me a Fake one offered me a GDP Rat after not talking to him for months. Lol what? I've sold and bought several pieces on this forum including a genuine Petrol Bomb so please don't try to include me in this thing of yours |
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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by meskell on Feb 7, 2021 22:43:24 GMT 1, BOTH FAKE. Look at the smoke on a real one: 
I can't help but to see "Rat with Balloon" in the smoke of the authentic ones.
BOTH FAKE. Look at the smoke on a real one: I can't help but to see "Rat with Balloon" in the smoke of the authentic ones. |
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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by masong on Feb 7, 2021 22:57:38 GMT 1, BOTH FAKE. Look at the smoke on a real one: I can't help but to see "Rat with Balloon" in the smoke of the authentic ones.
Same! Such a great call by dotdot. Can’t unsee it now I know it’s there.
BOTH FAKE. Look at the smoke on a real one: I can't help but to see "Rat with Balloon" in the smoke of the authentic ones. Same! Such a great call by dotdot. Can’t unsee it now I know it’s there. |
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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by Ruskr on Feb 8, 2021 12:41:30 GMT 1, Ive bought a Fake framed Museum Standard by a Member here. Now he does not want return the Money before I ship it back around half the world. Even when he admitted it was fake. He told me such a long Story about the dead solid Provenance from somebody sold it which works on POW. Bought also a Rat, Soupcan and Hotel Poster from him. Just again a expensive lesson not to buy from People without Reputation. What is the members username please, Ruskr ?
This Guy
Ive bought a Fake framed Museum Standard by a Member here. Now he does not want return the Money before I ship it back around half the world. Even when he admitted it was fake. He told me such a long Story about the dead solid Provenance from somebody sold it which works on POW. Bought also a Rat, Soupcan and Hotel Poster from him. Just again a expensive lesson not to buy from People without Reputation. What is the members username please, Ruskr ? This Guy |
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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by irl1 on Feb 8, 2021 12:50:42 GMT 1,
That's one shit looking thread
He's logged on maybe he has something to say
Best of luck hope you get sorted
That's one shit looking thread He's logged on maybe he has something to say Best of luck hope you get sorted |
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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by Ruskr on Feb 8, 2021 13:38:46 GMT 1, Ok, where should I start, I was looking for some of this cheap Banksy stuff.
Crisis, Soupcan, Rat, Hotel Poster and some other stuff.
Than a guy contacted me on UAA and we got in touch on WhatsApp. In the beginning everything was easy going and worked out well. First we talked about the Rat and later on he sold me the RAT, Soupcan, Petrolbomb and Poster, we agreed that he would ship it to germany because it was much easier. So ive paid the full amount upfront. (first Plan was that my wife will pick it up when she is in Amsterdam with her friends, but it did not work out because of corona)
A couple days later the Pieces arrived in Germany and got shipped to me a bit later.
Everything good so far, than I framed the Rat and sent a Picture of the Rat and the the Petrol Bomb to my WhatsApp Group in which are a few decent UAA Members, a couple minutes later I received a few Messages that they think the Petrol Bomb is fake. So ive checked on the Forum and yes, it was fake, a very very bad fake.
So ive contacted the seller and wanted to resolve it in a civil Manner. After he started to discuss, so ive got very angry, he directly admitted that it was fake but he wanted to talk first to the Person where he have it bought from. So ive told him I don't care about the Person who he have bought it from. He sold it to me for 3200 GBP which was a very good deal for him.
What was the Provenance: He told me the Petrol Bomb is from a Artists which worked at that time in Bristol at POW. (I don't want to Name the Artist at this Point here) Also wanted to send me some Proofs later. But never received something.
Why I think Barki is his second Account?
1. On the 14th of January at 14:00 prnt.sc/ypf9i0 he wrote me on WhatsApp after not talking for probably a Month and asked me if I want to buy another GDP Rat he have one for sale. Barki offered on the same Day also a Rat urbanartassociation.com/thread/169460/selling-banksy-gdp-rat
2. In this thread Barki is also selling a Petrol Bomb urbanartassociation.com/thread/169220/selling-banksy-petrol-bomb back in December ralphhitter offered me also some Banksy Posters with the exactly green/white folder in the background. prnt.sc/ypedfh prnt.sc/ypf28q
3. A Couple minutes after I did a Post here in the thread we had a phonecall and he asked me not to do more Posts because he saw the one I did and he will solve the Problem now. So ive checked his Account and saw he was last time 12 hours ago online, I also have screenshots on this.
Even if bark is not his second account he lied a lot, selling me a unframed real petrol bomb from xxxxx but I received a fake Petrol Bomb.
Btw.
prnt.sc/yph9f6 that's what he told me about the petrol bomb.
prntscr.com/yphgei Thats what I get, a framed petrol bomb.
prntscr.com/yphsbb Provenance - never received the Invoice and the things he promised.
urbanartassociation.com/thread/168178/banksy-on-hold - The seller do know how fakes look.
Also never received the receipt for the Poster or the invoice for the Soupcan.
After all the Lies and all the BS ive told him he can send me the money in a irreversible Way - Wire, PayPal Friends or Bitcoin. And then he can have his Trash fake back. What he did? He send it as eBay or product payment, however it is called.- that was yesterday (because he did not want that I do a post on UAA)
Till now I gave him a shitload of chances and explained him my issue very nice.
But now im just damm pissed and angry after dealing already several days with this bullshit.
I won't post any Names or Details except what you can see here.
Ralphhitter isn't his real name so all is good.
Ok, where should I start, I was looking for some of this cheap Banksy stuff. Crisis, Soupcan, Rat, Hotel Poster and some other stuff. Than a guy contacted me on UAA and we got in touch on WhatsApp. In the beginning everything was easy going and worked out well. First we talked about the Rat and later on he sold me the RAT, Soupcan, Petrolbomb and Poster, we agreed that he would ship it to germany because it was much easier. So ive paid the full amount upfront. (first Plan was that my wife will pick it up when she is in Amsterdam with her friends, but it did not work out because of corona) A couple days later the Pieces arrived in Germany and got shipped to me a bit later. Everything good so far, than I framed the Rat and sent a Picture of the Rat and the the Petrol Bomb to my WhatsApp Group in which are a few decent UAA Members, a couple minutes later I received a few Messages that they think the Petrol Bomb is fake. So ive checked on the Forum and yes, it was fake, a very very bad fake. So ive contacted the seller and wanted to resolve it in a civil Manner. After he started to discuss, so ive got very angry, he directly admitted that it was fake but he wanted to talk first to the Person where he have it bought from. So ive told him I don't care about the Person who he have bought it from. He sold it to me for 3200 GBP which was a very good deal for him. What was the Provenance: He told me the Petrol Bomb is from a Artists which worked at that time in Bristol at POW. (I don't want to Name the Artist at this Point here) Also wanted to send me some Proofs later. But never received something. Why I think Barki is his second Account?
1. On the 14th of January at 14:00 prnt.sc/ypf9i0 he wrote me on WhatsApp after not talking for probably a Month and asked me if I want to buy another GDP Rat he have one for sale. Barki offered on the same Day also a Rat urbanartassociation.com/thread/169460/selling-banksy-gdp-rat2. In this thread Barki is also selling a Petrol Bomb urbanartassociation.com/thread/169220/selling-banksy-petrol-bomb back in December ralphhitter offered me also some Banksy Posters with the exactly green/white folder in the background. prnt.sc/ypedfh prnt.sc/ypf28q3. A Couple minutes after I did a Post here in the thread we had a phonecall and he asked me not to do more Posts because he saw the one I did and he will solve the Problem now. So ive checked his Account and saw he was last time 12 hours ago online, I also have screenshots on this. Even if bark is not his second account he lied a lot, selling me a unframed real petrol bomb from xxxxx but I received a fake Petrol Bomb. Btw. prnt.sc/yph9f6 that's what he told me about the petrol bomb. prntscr.com/yphgei Thats what I get, a framed petrol bomb. prntscr.com/yphsbb Provenance - never received the Invoice and the things he promised. urbanartassociation.com/thread/168178/banksy-on-hold - The seller do know how fakes look. Also never received the receipt for the Poster or the invoice for the Soupcan. After all the Lies and all the BS ive told him he can send me the money in a irreversible Way - Wire, PayPal Friends or Bitcoin. And then he can have his Trash fake back. What he did? He send it as eBay or product payment, however it is called.- that was yesterday (because he did not want that I do a post on UAA) Till now I gave him a shitload of chances and explained him my issue very nice. But now im just damm pissed and angry after dealing already several days with this bullshit. I won't post any Names or Details except what you can see here. Ralphhitter isn't his real name so all is good. |
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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by cARTman on Feb 8, 2021 14:33:18 GMT 1, Hi UAA,
I would like to clarify the situation here. I bought 2 petrol bomb from a for me trusted source.
The source was said to be a 'old POW employee'. As there was 0 reason to second guess this I took it at face value. After some time I decided to sell the prints which I did via UAA.
After 1 buyer received the package (shipped in september/ oktober) but only received in februari somehow. (Guess it wasn't shipped directly to the final destination) He contacted me that in his opinion the Petrol Bomb was fake (this weekend). As I do not want to sell fakes I offered to fully reimburse him and cover the shipping charges back. After some discussion I even agreed to even send the money upfront via paypal before returning the item. Not as an admission of deliberately sending him a fake but as a reminder that I am of good faith.
The buyer is currently saying that I am using multiple accounts, hustling him etc. I've tried to be as correct and reasonable as possible. However In my opinion by sending him the cash back upfront I am acknowledging that I feel responsible for this mistake. However at this time buyer is unwilling to send the piece back to me. This will as you understand will cost me as I cannot go back to the initial source (not TateWard for the curious) to recoup my own costs. The buyer is now insisting on a additional BTC or Friend & Family payment upfront to not post about this on UAA or even sending it back. As I've already lost the costs of the petrol + the funds send to the buyer yesterday so I am unwilling to do this.
BTW I pro actively approached the other buyer and have asked him to return the item. He was disappointed but was happy of the way I picked it up. Note that this buyer is also a forum member.
I see this as something between buyer and me. However as he want to openly post it I wanted to clarify what happened. As the buyer respected my privacy by not posting any details I will also not share any.
As this forum is a wonderfull place to share art and knowledge:
In your guys (woman) opinion can I do anything else?
Hi UAA,
I would like to clarify the situation here. I bought 2 petrol bomb from a for me trusted source.
The source was said to be a 'old POW employee'. As there was 0 reason to second guess this I took it at face value. After some time I decided to sell the prints which I did via UAA.
After 1 buyer received the package (shipped in september/ oktober) but only received in februari somehow. (Guess it wasn't shipped directly to the final destination) He contacted me that in his opinion the Petrol Bomb was fake (this weekend). As I do not want to sell fakes I offered to fully reimburse him and cover the shipping charges back. After some discussion I even agreed to even send the money upfront via paypal before returning the item. Not as an admission of deliberately sending him a fake but as a reminder that I am of good faith.
The buyer is currently saying that I am using multiple accounts, hustling him etc. I've tried to be as correct and reasonable as possible. However In my opinion by sending him the cash back upfront I am acknowledging that I feel responsible for this mistake. However at this time buyer is unwilling to send the piece back to me. This will as you understand will cost me as I cannot go back to the initial source (not TateWard for the curious) to recoup my own costs. The buyer is now insisting on a additional BTC or Friend & Family payment upfront to not post about this on UAA or even sending it back. As I've already lost the costs of the petrol + the funds send to the buyer yesterday so I am unwilling to do this.
BTW I pro actively approached the other buyer and have asked him to return the item. He was disappointed but was happy of the way I picked it up. Note that this buyer is also a forum member.
I see this as something between buyer and me. However as he want to openly post it I wanted to clarify what happened. As the buyer respected my privacy by not posting any details I will also not share any.
As this forum is a wonderfull place to share art and knowledge:
In your guys (woman) opinion can I do anything else?
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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by Ruskr on Feb 8, 2021 14:38:59 GMT 1, Bullshit again:
The buyer is now insisting on a additional BTC or Friend & Family payment upfront to not post about this on UAA or even sending it back. As I've already lost the costs of the petrol + the funds send to the buyer yesterday so I am unwilling to do this.
Never asked for additional. Told you from the first minute. If PayPal ONLY Friends payment. And a lot of other stuff you just turned around.
Bullshit again:
The buyer is now insisting on a additional BTC or Friend & Family payment upfront to not post about this on UAA or even sending it back. As I've already lost the costs of the petrol + the funds send to the buyer yesterday so I am unwilling to do this.
Never asked for additional. Told you from the first minute. If PayPal ONLY Friends payment. And a lot of other stuff you just turned around.
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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by Ruskr on Feb 8, 2021 14:43:26 GMT 1, Ralph... Pay the man immediately and let him destroy the fakes. Sometimes you take one on the chin. From the looks of this thread and the others, you both appear to be in way over your heads...
He can have his fake back. I have zero interest in his work. After all the lies the only I want is the money in a irreversible way. And Second, I really don’t care so much about the money. The reason why I did the post is to protect other users from the same happening.
Ralph... Pay the man immediately and let him destroy the fakes. Sometimes you take one on the chin. From the looks of this thread and the others, you both appear to be in way over your heads... He can have his fake back. I have zero interest in his work. After all the lies the only I want is the money in a irreversible way. And Second, I really don’t care so much about the money. The reason why I did the post is to protect other users from the same happening. |
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Banksy Tesco Petrol Bomb Fake or Fake?, by happyshopper on Feb 8, 2021 17:35:28 GMT 1, The buyer is currently saying that I am using multiple accounts, hustling him etc. I've tried to be as correct and reasonable as possible.
Interesting coincidence that you and Barki took photos of your posters on an identical patterned worktop/folders though isn't it? Strange!
And why send a refund in a reversible way? After being sold a fake you can understand a buyer being concerned.
Just saying... 
The buyer is currently saying that I am using multiple accounts, hustling him etc. I've tried to be as correct and reasonable as possible. Interesting coincidence that you and Barki took photos of your posters on an identical patterned worktop/folders though isn't it? Strange! And why send a refund in a reversible way? After being sold a fake you can understand a buyer being concerned. Just saying... |
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