kjg
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by kjg on Jan 15, 2021 15:08:20 GMT 1, There is one song out there that sums this topic up.
There is one song out there that sums this topic up.
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 16:15:38 GMT 1, I dunno Bren, hasn't he been going slow and steady for years already and didn't seem to be going anywhere. It wasn't for lack of trying or lack of talent either. I don't know either to be honest.
Hope it goes ok
I dunno Bren, hasn't he been going slow and steady for years already and didn't seem to be going anywhere. It wasn't for lack of trying or lack of talent either. I don't know either to be honest. Hope it goes ok
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by atomone on Jan 15, 2021 16:35:09 GMT 1, There's an ebay auction currently at £825, but a buy it now also listed at £795 Crazy times folks Item relisted! Hmmm
There's an ebay auction currently at £825, but a buy it now also listed at £795 Crazy times folks Item relisted! Hmmm
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by charles bukowski on Jan 15, 2021 16:41:13 GMT 1, There's an ebay auction currently at £825, but a buy it now also listed at £795 Crazy times folks Item relisted! Hmmm
I couldn't order it
There's an ebay auction currently at £825, but a buy it now also listed at £795 Crazy times folks Item relisted! Hmmm I couldn't order it
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by Lroy on Jan 15, 2021 17:02:41 GMT 1,
Chec the location : since Brexit and vat ebayers are blocking some countries
Chec the location : since Brexit and vat ebayers are blocking some countries
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by charles bukowski on Jan 15, 2021 17:25:54 GMT 1, Chec the location : since Brexit and vat ebayers are blocking some countries I will surely buy this one I like and cheaper lol
Mason Storm - Icons
Chec the location : since Brexit and vat ebayers are blocking some countries I will surely buy this one I like and cheaper lol Mason Storm - Icons
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by Lroy on Jan 16, 2021 18:53:35 GMT 1, Chec the location : since Brexit and vat ebayers are blocking some countries This is already starting to be a huge headache with customs officials left absolutely clueless as to what to do and already a huge backlog. Way to go Boris! One weeks notice was just what everyone needed. Well, so, I guess, that it takes a lot of time and they open some ...
Borders, customs..
I don't dare to put my poster on ebay.uk...
Waiting for Scotland in EU !
Chec the location : since Brexit and vat ebayers are blocking some countries This is already starting to be a huge headache with customs officials left absolutely clueless as to what to do and already a huge backlog. Way to go Boris! One weeks notice was just what everyone needed. Well, so, I guess, that it takes a lot of time and they open some ...
Borders, customs..
I don't dare to put my poster on ebay.uk...
Waiting for Scotland in EU !
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by Lroy on Jan 16, 2021 19:21:50 GMT 1, Well, so, I guess, that it takes a lot of time and they open some ...
Borders, customs..
I don't dare to put my poster on ebay.uk...
Waiting for Scotland in EU !
It's completely ludicrous! Me ? Scotland ? Brexit rules ? The Link ? UK BREXIT ? BREAKSHIT ? SCOTCHED ? SHIPPING ? SCOTTISH ?
Give me the solution, please mon ami !
Drawning of a city trader...a bit of fun ( handscotched by me, ed. of 20 )

Well, so, I guess, that it takes a lot of time and they open some ...
Borders, customs..
I don't dare to put my poster on ebay.uk...
Waiting for Scotland in EU !
It's completely ludicrous! Me ? Scotland ? Brexit rules ? The Link ? UK BREXIT ? BREAKSHIT ? SCOTCHED ? SHIPPING ? SCOTTISH ?
Give me the solution, please mon ami !
Drawning of a city trader...a bit of fun ( handscotched by me, ed. of 20 )

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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by Lroy on Jan 16, 2021 19:36:26 GMT 1, Me ? Scotland ? Brexit rules ? The Link ? UK BREXIT ? BREAKSHIT ? SCOTCHED ? SHIPPING ? SCOTTISH ?
Give me the solution, please mon ami !
Drawning of a city trader...a bit of fun ( handscotched by me, ed. of 20 )
 Have you had a stroke or something? Just TOXIC as this thread ! and I paid that a fortune !
Me ? Scotland ? Brexit rules ? The Link ? UK BREXIT ? BREAKSHIT ? SCOTCHED ? SHIPPING ? SCOTTISH ?
Give me the solution, please mon ami !
Drawning of a city trader...a bit of fun ( handscotched by me, ed. of 20 )
 Have you had a stroke or something? Just TOXIC as this thread ! and I paid that a fortune !
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by Lroy on Jan 16, 2021 20:46:28 GMT 1, Who ? Me ? Yes you are too kind. Stroke I read too, try another one next time, a lot of disease at the mo' If painting for you is just copying other atrworks as " real ", why not... Anyway, it's the saturday night fever in a Toxic Thread where we have even phone screnshots, every comment are welcome !
Who ? Me ? Yes you are too kind. Stroke I read too, try another one next time, a lot of disease at the mo' If painting for you is just copying other atrworks as " real ", why not... Anyway, it's the saturday night fever in a Toxic Thread where we have even phone screnshots, every comment are welcome !
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J0NNY
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by J0NNY on Jan 16, 2021 23:51:29 GMT 1, Chec the location : since Brexit and vat ebayers are blocking some countries This is already starting to be a huge headache with customs officials left absolutely clueless as to what to do and already a huge backlog. Way to go Boris! One weeks notice was just what everyone needed.
They hardly ever got it right in the first place, they always slapped the highest on regardless of what was on the dec forms. Nothing’s changed 😂
Chec the location : since Brexit and vat ebayers are blocking some countries This is already starting to be a huge headache with customs officials left absolutely clueless as to what to do and already a huge backlog. Way to go Boris! One weeks notice was just what everyone needed. They hardly ever got it right in the first place, they always slapped the highest on regardless of what was on the dec forms. Nothing’s changed 😂
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J0NNY
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They hardly ever got it right in the first place, they always slapped the highest on regardless of what was on the dec forms. Nothing’s changed 😂 Suggest you read this as everything has changed!
Yeah mate I was joking hence the ‘Lol’ emoji. 😞
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by Lroy on Jan 18, 2021 22:52:56 GMT 1, Just have had a lovely live chat with my nice, clever and sincere chap (don't believe the hype) Mason Storm!
The more I see, the most I like him. I regret to did not buy Toxic Mason... but broke, so... broke off !
I asked him lot of questions, and one about The Banksy forum, I won't show you his anwser ( oh, no offense, nor anything to condamn, no insults etc.. he is a gentleman and he has some true fans on here, he just don't .. about critics) , but well, he knows that he is not the most welcome here. That's a bit sad, he loves paint and di not injured anybody. Maybe one day... He is part of Street-art history.
Just asking, why this hate on here ? I don't understand. I have seen worst and it's just a forum.
#metoo #fidelsupporter #afterthejob #entertainment #art #cockney #smiles

Just have had a lovely live chat with my nice, clever and sincere chap (don't believe the hype) Mason Storm! The more I see, the most I like him. I regret to did not buy Toxic Mason... but broke, so... broke off ! I asked him lot of questions, and one about The Banksy forum, I won't show you his anwser ( oh, no offense, nor anything to condamn, no insults etc.. he is a gentleman and he has some true fans on here, he just don't .. about critics) , but well, he knows that he is not the most welcome here. That's a bit sad, he loves paint and di not injured anybody. Maybe one day... He is part of Street-art history. Just asking, why this hate on here ? I don't understand. I have seen worst and it's just a forum. #metoo #fidelsupporter #afterthejob #entertainment #art #cockney #smiles 
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by Dive Jedi on Jan 18, 2021 22:58:11 GMT 1, Just have had a lovely live chat with my nice, clever and sincere chap (don't believe the hype) Mason Storm! The more I see, the most I like him. I regret to did not buy Toxic Mason... but broke, so... broke off ! I asked him lot of questions, and one about The Banksy forum, I won't show you his anwser ( oh, no offense, nor anything to condamn, no insults etc.. he is a gentleman and he has some true fans on here, he just don't .. about critics) , but well, he knows that he is not the most welcome here. That's a bit sad, he loves paint and di not injured anybody. Maybe one day... He is part of Street-art history. Just asking, why this hate on here ? I don't understand. I have seen worst and it's just a forum. #metoo #fidelsupporter #afterthejob #entertainment #art #cockney #smiles  I don't hate anyone - that's just a waste of energy.
But a middle age man with a balaclava , pretending to be Banksy.
Kinda sad really.....
He can paint. Make up your own shit. Be an artist.
Just have had a lovely live chat with my nice, clever and sincere chap (don't believe the hype) Mason Storm! The more I see, the most I like him. I regret to did not buy Toxic Mason... but broke, so... broke off ! I asked him lot of questions, and one about The Banksy forum, I won't show you his anwser ( oh, no offense, nor anything to condamn, no insults etc.. he is a gentleman and he has some true fans on here, he just don't .. about critics) , but well, he knows that he is not the most welcome here. That's a bit sad, he loves paint and di not injured anybody. Maybe one day... He is part of Street-art history. Just asking, why this hate on here ? I don't understand. I have seen worst and it's just a forum. #metoo #fidelsupporter #afterthejob #entertainment #art #cockney #smiles  I don't hate anyone - that's just a waste of energy. But a middle age man with a balaclava , pretending to be Banksy. Kinda sad really..... He can paint. Make up your own shit. Be an artist.
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kjg
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by kjg on Jan 18, 2021 23:02:52 GMT 1, Mainly because of this forum his prints sell out, so he shouldn’t be that grumpy about it.
Mainly because of this forum his prints sell out, so he shouldn’t be that grumpy about it.
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by Lroy on Jan 18, 2021 23:37:21 GMT 1, Just have had a lovely live chat with my nice, clever and sincere chap (don't believe the hype) Mason Storm! The more I see, the most I like him. I regret to did not buy Toxic Mason... but broke, so... broke off ! I asked him lot of questions, and one about The Banksy forum, I won't show you his anwser ( oh, no offense, nor anything to condamn, no insults etc.. he is a gentleman and he has some true fans on here, he just don't .. about critics) , but well, he knows that he is not the most welcome here. That's a bit sad, he loves paint and di not injured anybody. Maybe one day... He is part of Street-art history. Just asking, why this hate on here ? I don't understand. I have seen worst and it's just a forum. #metoo #fidelsupporter #afterthejob #entertainment #art #cockney #smiles  I don't hate anyone - that's just a waste of energy. But a middle age man with a balaclava , pretending to be Banksy. Kinda sad really..... He can paint. Make up your own shit. Be an artist. Oh my friend, I don't thought to you specially, nor to anybody on here... Just the ambiance.
He is rock n roll, wears a vintage mask, and so what ? Too much glamour and unpleasant for 2021 folks ?
Banksy likes motorbikes and tattoo, and Dan put links on here, with his artworks, , so, he is a a part of the game.
He made and still makes his own shit, he is painting and is drawning a lot. Xoon a book ? he shouold too. He does love paint
These last "banksy " are only two parts ( + 3 ) of him : maybe prints, would be better than giclee but more expensive too.
Cartrain and a lot of others ( stencilers followers, outis, disney parodies etc ) have been inpired ( in the spirit of ) by Banksy.
But well Cartrain has been a moment, more accepted because of his vandal paper pen robbery, his young age and his punk side, collage etc..
I was just saying in fact, That Mason Storm is a really nice guy. And I am not his PR. And anwyay, I just wanted to share a good moment, after all this shit, work, covid, lockdown etc..
Just have had a lovely live chat with my nice, clever and sincere chap (don't believe the hype) Mason Storm! The more I see, the most I like him. I regret to did not buy Toxic Mason... but broke, so... broke off ! I asked him lot of questions, and one about The Banksy forum, I won't show you his anwser ( oh, no offense, nor anything to condamn, no insults etc.. he is a gentleman and he has some true fans on here, he just don't .. about critics) , but well, he knows that he is not the most welcome here. That's a bit sad, he loves paint and di not injured anybody. Maybe one day... He is part of Street-art history. Just asking, why this hate on here ? I don't understand. I have seen worst and it's just a forum. #metoo #fidelsupporter #afterthejob #entertainment #art #cockney #smiles  I don't hate anyone - that's just a waste of energy. But a middle age man with a balaclava , pretending to be Banksy. Kinda sad really..... He can paint. Make up your own shit. Be an artist. Oh my friend, I don't thought to you specially, nor to anybody on here... Just the ambiance.
He is rock n roll, wears a vintage mask, and so what ? Too much glamour and unpleasant for 2021 folks ?
Banksy likes motorbikes and tattoo, and Dan put links on here, with his artworks, , so, he is a a part of the game.
He made and still makes his own shit, he is painting and is drawning a lot. Xoon a book ? he shouold too. He does love paint
These last "banksy " are only two parts ( + 3 ) of him : maybe prints, would be better than giclee but more expensive too.
Cartrain and a lot of others ( stencilers followers, outis, disney parodies etc ) have been inpired ( in the spirit of ) by Banksy.
But well Cartrain has been a moment, more accepted because of his vandal paper pen robbery, his young age and his punk side, collage etc..
I was just saying in fact, That Mason Storm is a really nice guy. And I am not his PR. And anwyay, I just wanted to share a good moment, after all this shit, work, covid, lockdown etc..
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by Lroy on Jan 18, 2021 23:48:34 GMT 1, Mainly because of this forum his prints sell out, so he shouldn’t be that grumpy about it. I don't think that it's because of this forum that he sells out, he has a public, true fans and collectors, not on here, even far away from here ( whatever the game of Banksy/Mason knows )... Most of his friends and fans, are not there, but their names as wellkown too on social media ( I won"t tell any name )
And I repeat, I am not his PR.
I like Silent Bill too. Another kind of art in fact, SSOSVA rules with no rules, vandals.
Mainly because of this forum his prints sell out, so he shouldn’t be that grumpy about it. I don't think that it's because of this forum that he sells out, he has a public, true fans and collectors, not on here, even far away from here ( whatever the game of Banksy/Mason knows )... Most of his friends and fans, are not there, but their names as wellkown too on social media ( I won"t tell any name )
And I repeat, I am not his PR.
I like Silent Bill too. Another kind of art in fact, SSOSVA rules with no rules, vandals.
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by Lroy on Jan 18, 2021 23:50:48 GMT 1, Oh my friend, I don't thought to you specially, nor to anybody on here... Just the ambiance.
He is rock n roll, wears a vintage mask, and so what ? Too much glamour and unpleasant for 2021 folks ?
Banksy likes motorbikes and tattoo, and Dan put links on here, with his artworks, , so, he is a a part of the game.
He made and still makes his own shit, he is painting and is drawning a lot. Xoon a book ? he shouold too. He does love paint
These last "banksy " are only two parts ( + 3 ) of him : maybe prints, would be better than giclee but more expensive too.
Cartrain and a lot of others ( stencilers followers, outis, disney parodies etc ) have been inpired ( in the spirit of ) by Banksy.
But well Cartrain has been a moment, more accepted because of his vandal paper pen robbery, his young age and his punk side, collage etc..
I was just saying in fact, That Mason Storm is a really nice guy. And I am not his PR. And anwyay, I just wanted to share a good moment, after all this shit, work, covid, lockdown etc..
You should write a book on him. I asked him about a book ! You don't know all his artworks, some are really great, with a bit of comedia del arte, or with sensitive paper pen lines...
Oh my friend, I don't thought to you specially, nor to anybody on here... Just the ambiance.
He is rock n roll, wears a vintage mask, and so what ? Too much glamour and unpleasant for 2021 folks ?
Banksy likes motorbikes and tattoo, and Dan put links on here, with his artworks, , so, he is a a part of the game.
He made and still makes his own shit, he is painting and is drawning a lot. Xoon a book ? he shouold too. He does love paint
These last "banksy " are only two parts ( + 3 ) of him : maybe prints, would be better than giclee but more expensive too.
Cartrain and a lot of others ( stencilers followers, outis, disney parodies etc ) have been inpired ( in the spirit of ) by Banksy.
But well Cartrain has been a moment, more accepted because of his vandal paper pen robbery, his young age and his punk side, collage etc..
I was just saying in fact, That Mason Storm is a really nice guy. And I am not his PR. And anwyay, I just wanted to share a good moment, after all this shit, work, covid, lockdown etc..
You should write a book on him. I asked him about a book ! You don't know all his artworks, some are really great, with a bit of comedia del arte, or with sensitive paper pen lines...
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by Lroy on Jan 18, 2021 23:51:39 GMT 1, Well, forget all this. Never mind.
Well, forget all this. Never mind.
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by Lroy on Jan 18, 2021 23:57:40 GMT 1, I asked him about a book ! You don't know all his artworks, some are really great, with a bit of comedia del arte, or with sensitive paper pen lines... You would have to translate it for me though. Well these kind of Brexit/intolerant remarks ... Zero. Internet is universal, no discrimination please. You can do better, try...
I asked him about a book ! You don't know all his artworks, some are really great, with a bit of comedia del arte, or with sensitive paper pen lines... You would have to translate it for me though. Well these kind of Brexit/intolerant remarks ... Zero. Internet is universal, no discrimination please. You can do better, try...
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sandinista
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by sandinista on Jan 20, 2021 20:52:18 GMT 1, Are ap’s numbered? Nice little earner on giclee or archival pigment prints or whatever they are called this week.just keep hitting the print button
Are ap’s numbered? Nice little earner on giclee or archival pigment prints or whatever they are called this week.just keep hitting the print button
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by Wanchope on Jan 21, 2021 18:50:20 GMT 1, True, 10% of the buyers whack them on ebay, but then again loads of flippers out there on every artist release do that so what’s new. Secondly I get everyone loves BANKSY and I even have some prints and stuff, but Jesus he didn’t create stencils, he took ideas from other artists, he did different colour variations to spin more and is taking in 4% artist resales rights and gives his VIP first glance on anything he does which let’s face it isn’t much these days. I’m not slating him as I don’t think he’s doing anything out of the artworlds norm but please can we stop talking like he is the holy grail and only one to have started the urban art/street art movement because he didn’t. Now I know by posting this I will prob get an onslaught and I love this forum so hopefully it won’t be pure abuse but I hate it when other artists are slated for the very thing that other artists do or have done themselves. Love you all lots and thats my bit for now, peace out
True, 10% of the buyers whack them on ebay, but then again loads of flippers out there on every artist release do that so what’s new. Secondly I get everyone loves BANKSY and I even have some prints and stuff, but Jesus he didn’t create stencils, he took ideas from other artists, he did different colour variations to spin more and is taking in 4% artist resales rights and gives his VIP first glance on anything he does which let’s face it isn’t much these days. I’m not slating him as I don’t think he’s doing anything out of the artworlds norm but please can we stop talking like he is the holy grail and only one to have started the urban art/street art movement because he didn’t. Now I know by posting this I will prob get an onslaught and I love this forum so hopefully it won’t be pure abuse but I hate it when other artists are slated for the very thing that other artists do or have done themselves. Love you all lots and thats my bit for now, peace out
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by Lroy on Jan 21, 2021 20:02:26 GMT 1, The black rat has put out a flyer called saving Banksy ,you know the fella ,french geeza who was stencilling black rats before Banksy was born . With the caption ( it’s not art unless it sells for lots of money ) just saying as painting your own s..t was mentioned about Mason .  I like this flyer, where to get it ?
The black rat has put out a flyer called saving Banksy ,you know the fella ,french geeza who was stencilling black rats before Banksy was born . With the caption ( it’s not art unless it sells for lots of money ) just saying as painting your own s..t was mentioned about Mason .  I like this flyer, where to get it ?
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by Lroy on Jan 21, 2021 21:11:30 GMT 1, Mr mason storm is not middle aged I know I have got a photo of him 😜 He is like Mister Bill, not Buffalo, my other friend as tall as him ( but without the mask) ...ahahah Anyway would like to trade my M.P/D.P. ( i will never have money to buy other parts ) against Toxic Beach ( that are selling less than MP/DV, I notified ).. Better a full one than a 1/4.
Mr mason storm is not middle aged I know I have got a photo of him 😜 He is like Mister Bill, not Buffalo, my other friend as tall as him ( but without the mask) ...ahahah Anyway would like to trade my M.P/D.P. ( i will never have money to buy other parts ) against Toxic Beach ( that are selling less than MP/DV, I notified ).. Better a full one than a 1/4.
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Easy-Z
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by Easy-Z on Jan 21, 2021 23:53:27 GMT 1, The black rat has put out a flyer called saving Banksy ,you know the fella ,french geeza who was stencilling black rats before Banksy was born . With the caption ( it’s not art unless it sells for lots of money ) just saying as painting your own s..t was mentioned about Mason .  I like this flyer, where to get it ? Full sized movie poster, not a flyer. Blek le Rat "Saving Banksy Theater Poster" Print original movie theater poster, hand stenciled OG rat, signed by Blek. 3000 theater posters were made, 25 were signed and stenciled by Blek $750+ship and tax was price one release. I have one I would sell for $1100.
The black rat has put out a flyer called saving Banksy ,you know the fella ,french geeza who was stencilling black rats before Banksy was born . With the caption ( it’s not art unless it sells for lots of money ) just saying as painting your own s..t was mentioned about Mason .  I like this flyer, where to get it ? Full sized movie poster, not a flyer. Blek le Rat "Saving Banksy Theater Poster" Print original movie theater poster, hand stenciled OG rat, signed by Blek. 3000 theater posters were made, 25 were signed and stenciled by Blek $750+ship and tax was price one release. I have one I would sell for $1100.
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Easy-Z
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by Easy-Z on Jan 22, 2021 0:36:29 GMT 1, Full sized movie poster, not a flyer. Blek le Rat "Saving Banksy Theater Poster" Print original movie theater poster, hand stenciled OG rat, signed by Blek. 3000 theater posters were made, 25 were signed and stenciled by Blek $750+ship and tax was price one release. I have one I would sell for $1100. You can get one from Risk with hand embellishments for half: shop.riskrock.com/collections/out-of-the-vault/products/saving-banksy-butterfly-edition Saw those. He has done some great stuff with the poster. But if someone is looking for the Blek HF and not the Risk, I have one.
Full sized movie poster, not a flyer. Blek le Rat "Saving Banksy Theater Poster" Print original movie theater poster, hand stenciled OG rat, signed by Blek. 3000 theater posters were made, 25 were signed and stenciled by Blek $750+ship and tax was price one release. I have one I would sell for $1100. You can get one from Risk with hand embellishments for half: shop.riskrock.com/collections/out-of-the-vault/products/saving-banksy-butterfly-editionSaw those. He has done some great stuff with the poster. But if someone is looking for the Blek HF and not the Risk, I have one.
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acaipride
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Banksy • Mason Storm Toxic Beach Print, by acaipride on Jan 22, 2021 5:14:57 GMT 1, Saw those. He has done some great stuff with the poster. But if someone is looking for the Blek HF and not the Risk, I have one.
I have one of the HF..I believe there are two or three at source
Saw those. He has done some great stuff with the poster. But if someone is looking for the Blek HF and not the Risk, I have one. I have one of the HF..I believe there are two or three at source
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