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Artcurial Art Auctions , by trax51 on Jan 2, 2013 13:55:41 GMT 1, Estimates are, let's say, ridiculous. 14-16'000β¬ for a Banksy CYW... 
I need to play (and win) Euromillions before the 22....
But apart crazy estimates, pretty nice stuff...
Estimates are, let's say, ridiculous. 14-16'000β¬ for a Banksy CYW... I need to play (and win) Euromillions before the 22.... But apart crazy estimates, pretty nice stuff... |
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by Cedric Mnich on Jan 2, 2013 18:27:14 GMT 1, JR estimates are very low imho. The Louis Philippe bridge was for sale at LAZ at 3K I think. estimate is almost the original sale price (whereas it's a 80 print edition)
JR estimates are very low imho. The Louis Philippe bridge was for sale at LAZ at 3K I think. estimate is almost the original sale price (whereas it's a 80 print edition)
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by AFR1KA on Jan 2, 2013 18:33:40 GMT 1, some nice pieces with estimates all over the place. Curious to see where some of these sell at. Will have my eye on a few pieces 
some nice pieces with estimates all over the place. Curious to see where some of these sell at. Will have my eye on a few pieces |
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by octopus on Jan 2, 2013 19:25:09 GMT 1, It's a shame that once again French auctioneers and "experts" are putting non-sensical evaluations... Was it the last Street Art auction at Piasa that had 70% of lots unsold?
It's a shame that once again French auctioneers and "experts" are putting non-sensical evaluations... Was it the last Street Art auction at Piasa that had 70% of lots unsold?
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by Simococo on Jan 2, 2013 20:23:49 GMT 1, Are you kidding me??? Have i slept in...until April 1st? Those estimates are shocking!
Agreed
Are you kidding me??? Have i slept in...until April 1st? Those estimates are shocking! Agreed |
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by trax51 on Jan 2, 2013 22:57:52 GMT 1, JR estimates are very low imho. The Louis Philippe bridge was for sale at LAZ at 3K I think. estimate is almost the original sale price (whereas it's a 80 print edition)
agreed... some very low, some very high... it's gonna be interesting to follow.
Any French forum members planning to attend the auction ? (or any of the smaller special events before ?)
We can book a front row ;D 
JR estimates are very low imho. The Louis Philippe bridge was for sale at LAZ at 3K I think. estimate is almost the original sale price (whereas it's a 80 print edition) agreed... some very low, some very high... it's gonna be interesting to follow. Any French forum members planning to attend the auction ? (or any of the smaller special events before ?) We can book a front row ;D |
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by jojo21 on Jan 6, 2013 5:47:46 GMT 1, some very good pieces in that sale. futura, banksy, fairey, C215.
what about the estimates? difficult to say as it keep increasing for some of them. JR for exemple was 500e a year ago for a print and it goes for 5 times the original price.
banksy, 90-120k, why not?
the stencils by obey will definitly go for more than 30k, they have good pieces at this auction.
nice collection of obey prints as well. pricey but still a cheap buy for a not aware guy. definitly not for a forum person.
let s see how it goes, in france street art is hot.
i ll be there...
some very good pieces in that sale. futura, banksy, fairey, C215.
what about the estimates? difficult to say as it keep increasing for some of them. JR for exemple was 500e a year ago for a print and it goes for 5 times the original price.
banksy, 90-120k, why not?
the stencils by obey will definitly go for more than 30k, they have good pieces at this auction.
nice collection of obey prints as well. pricey but still a cheap buy for a not aware guy. definitly not for a forum person.
let s see how it goes, in france street art is hot.
i ll be there...
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by mmmike on Jan 6, 2013 6:49:12 GMT 1, I'm going to guess that auction will be a big flop. The estimates are crazy.
I'm going to guess that auction will be a big flop. The estimates are crazy.
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by octopus on Jan 6, 2013 8:28:53 GMT 1, I'm going to guess that auction will be a big flop. The estimates are crazy.
Agreed...I predict a record of unsold lots! French auctioneers need to get a grip with prices...
I'm going to guess that auction will be a big flop. The estimates are crazy. Agreed...I predict a record of unsold lots! French auctioneers need to get a grip with prices... |
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by trax51 on Jan 6, 2013 10:26:17 GMT 1, I'm going to guess that auction will be a big flop. The estimates are crazy. Agreed...I predict a record of unsold lots! French auctioneers need to get a grip with prices...
Hi Guys, you are maybe not aware of an important point: In France, Art is exempted of the "wealth tax", which mean that a lot of wealthy people are buying art as investement and this also save them a lot of money in Taxes (which are crazy high in France, like the estimates )
So, I'm not so sure it's gonna be a big flop... But for me, no impact, I pay my taxes in Switzerland anyway ;D
I'm going to guess that auction will be a big flop. The estimates are crazy. Agreed...I predict a record of unsold lots! French auctioneers need to get a grip with prices... Hi Guys, you are maybe not aware of an important point: In France, Art is exempted of the "wealth tax", which mean that a lot of wealthy people are buying art as investement and this also save them a lot of money in Taxes (which are crazy high in France, like the estimates ) So, I'm not so sure it's gonna be a big flop... But for me, no impact, I pay my taxes in Switzerland anyway ;D |
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by Shoot Again on Jan 6, 2013 10:36:30 GMT 1, Agreed...I predict a record of unsold lots! French auctioneers need to get a grip with prices... Hi Guys, you are maybe not aware of an important point: In France, Art is exempted of the "wealth tax", which mean that a lot of wealthy people are buying art as investement and this also save them a lot of money in Taxes (which are crazy high in France, like the estimates ) So, I'm not so sure it's gonna be a big flop... But for me, no impact, I pay my taxes in Switzerland anyway ;D
Since when do you guys pay ant taxes in Switzerland ? ;-)
Agreed...I predict a record of unsold lots! French auctioneers need to get a grip with prices... Hi Guys, you are maybe not aware of an important point: In France, Art is exempted of the "wealth tax", which mean that a lot of wealthy people are buying art as investement and this also save them a lot of money in Taxes (which are crazy high in France, like the estimates ) So, I'm not so sure it's gonna be a big flop... But for me, no impact, I pay my taxes in Switzerland anyway ;D Since when do you guys pay ant taxes in Switzerland ? ;-) |
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by octopus on Jan 6, 2013 10:57:01 GMT 1, Agreed...I predict a record of unsold lots! French auctioneers need to get a grip with prices... Hi Guys, you are maybe not aware of an important point: In France, Art is exempted of the "wealth tax", which mean that a lot of wealthy people are buying art as investement and this also save them a lot of money in Taxes (which are crazy high in France, like the estimates ) So, I'm not so sure it's gonna be a big flop... But for me, no impact, I pay my taxes in Switzerland anyway ;D
I disagree that the success of auction sales are related to the non payment of ISF in France. Let's have a look at the last Street/Urban art auctions organised in France in 2012::when you register more than 50% of the lots unsold, you are doing something wrong... auctioneers and "experts" need to do some serious ground work and present better priced lots in their catalogue. But that's only my personal views.
Agreed...I predict a record of unsold lots! French auctioneers need to get a grip with prices... Hi Guys, you are maybe not aware of an important point: In France, Art is exempted of the "wealth tax", which mean that a lot of wealthy people are buying art as investement and this also save them a lot of money in Taxes (which are crazy high in France, like the estimates ) So, I'm not so sure it's gonna be a big flop... But for me, no impact, I pay my taxes in Switzerland anyway ;D I disagree that the success of auction sales are related to the non payment of ISF in France. Let's have a look at the last Street/Urban art auctions organised in France in 2012::when you register more than 50% of the lots unsold, you are doing something wrong... auctioneers and "experts" need to do some serious ground work and present better priced lots in their catalogue. But that's only my personal views. |
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by trax51 on Jan 6, 2013 11:54:42 GMT 1, I disagree that the success of auction sales are related to the non payment of ISF in France. Let's have a look at the last Street/Urban art auctions organised in France in 2012::when you register more than 50% of the lots unsold, you are doing something wrong... auctioneers and "experts" need to do some serious ground work and present better priced lots in their catalogue. But that's only my personal views. > I didn't say it will make it a success.... I just said it might help. But as you can read in my previous posts, I totally agree with the estimates being way too high (except for JR and a couple of others). And yes, it seems like an attempt from Artcurial to drive the price up... they are biggest street art auctionner in France. That said, let's wait until the 22nd to see what happen... "Since when do you guys pay any taxes in Switzerland ? ;-)" Shoot Again: ;D ;D ;D Ok ok... not much... but more than Monaco, Dubai or Qatar... and at least, we have a real democracy, cool mountains, hot summer and weed shops (But also a tendancy to clean walls a bit too rapidly IMHO...)
I disagree that the success of auction sales are related to the non payment of ISF in France. Let's have a look at the last Street/Urban art auctions organised in France in 2012::when you register more than 50% of the lots unsold, you are doing something wrong... auctioneers and "experts" need to do some serious ground work and present better priced lots in their catalogue. But that's only my personal views. > I didn't say it will make it a success.... I just said it might help. But as you can read in my previous posts, I totally agree with the estimates being way too high (except for JR and a couple of others). And yes, it seems like an attempt from Artcurial to drive the price up... they are biggest street art auctionner in France. That said, let's wait until the 22nd to see what happen... "Since when do you guys pay any taxes in Switzerland ? ;-)" Shoot Again: ;D ;D ;D Ok ok... not much... but more than Monaco, Dubai or Qatar... and at least, we have a real democracy, cool mountains, hot summer and weed shops (But also a tendancy to clean walls a bit too rapidly IMHO...) |
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by octopus on Jan 6, 2013 12:02:55 GMT 1, I disagree that the success of auction sales are related to the non payment of ISF in France. Let's have a look at the last Street/Urban art auctions organised in France in 2012::when you register more than 50% of the lots unsold, you are doing something wrong... auctioneers and "experts" need to do some serious ground work and present better priced lots in their catalogue. But that's only my personal views. > I didn't say it will make it a success.... I just said it might help. But as you can read in my previous posts, I totally agree with the estimates being way too high (except for JR and a couple of others). And yes, it seems like an attempt from Artcurial to drive the price up... they are biggest street art auctionner in France. That said, let's wait until the 22nd to see what happen... "Since when do you guys pay any taxes in Switzerland ? ;-)" Shoot Again: ;D ;D ;D Ok ok... not much... but more than Monaco, Dubai or Qatar... and at least, we have a real democracy, cool mountains, hot summer and weed shops (But also a tendancy to clean walls a bit too rapidly IMHO...) Agree with you...let's wait and see...Will be interesting for the rest of auctions in 2013!
I disagree that the success of auction sales are related to the non payment of ISF in France. Let's have a look at the last Street/Urban art auctions organised in France in 2012::when you register more than 50% of the lots unsold, you are doing something wrong... auctioneers and "experts" need to do some serious ground work and present better priced lots in their catalogue. But that's only my personal views. > I didn't say it will make it a success.... I just said it might help. But as you can read in my previous posts, I totally agree with the estimates being way too high (except for JR and a couple of others). And yes, it seems like an attempt from Artcurial to drive the price up... they are biggest street art auctionner in France. That said, let's wait until the 22nd to see what happen... "Since when do you guys pay any taxes in Switzerland ? ;-)" Shoot Again: ;D ;D ;D Ok ok... not much... but more than Monaco, Dubai or Qatar... and at least, we have a real democracy, cool mountains, hot summer and weed shops (But also a tendancy to clean walls a bit too rapidly IMHO...) Agree with you...let's wait and see...Will be interesting for the rest of auctions in 2013! |
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by trax51 on Jan 18, 2013 0:51:45 GMT 1, I attended the Vernissage tonight at Artcurial, a few comments before heading to bed:
- The Rolls royce of Eric Cantona by JonOne is a Killer...
- Tons of very nice Pieces... I mean, realy niece pieces.... (too many to name them all)
- The lonely (but good) DJ was working hard in the middle of Invaders/CYW/Fairey...
- Quick is a cool guy....
- The free drinks (Wine & Absinthe...) made the night even better.
Pics to follow tomorrow.
Good night
TraX
I attended the Vernissage tonight at Artcurial, a few comments before heading to bed:
- The Rolls royce of Eric Cantona by JonOne is a Killer...
- Tons of very nice Pieces... I mean, realy niece pieces.... (too many to name them all)
- The lonely (but good) DJ was working hard in the middle of Invaders/CYW/Fairey...
- Quick is a cool guy....
- The free drinks (Wine & Absinthe...) made the night even better.
Pics to follow tomorrow.
Good night
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by dotdot on Jan 18, 2013 11:26:30 GMT 1, one or two interesting works.... int here...
i guess at least ONE work will go....
perhaps to someone here...
covert / sim ?
one or two interesting works.... int here...
i guess at least ONE work will go....
perhaps to someone here...
covert / sim ?
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by floubi on Jan 18, 2013 18:07:19 GMT 1, thanks trax for the pics! I'll go to the auction on tuesday but I won't be able to see the pieces before...
thanks trax for the pics! I'll go to the auction on tuesday but I won't be able to see the pieces before...
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by trax51 on Jan 19, 2013 1:31:51 GMT 1, thanks trax for the pics! I'll go to the auction on tuesday but I won't be able to see the pieces before...
Hope to see you there ! If the auction is as good as the vernissage... it's going to be fun
thanks trax for the pics! I'll go to the auction on tuesday but I won't be able to see the pieces before... Hope to see you there ! If the auction is as good as the vernissage... it's going to be fun |
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by Simococo on Jan 19, 2013 6:11:01 GMT 1, If 70% or more of the lots from this auction reach at least their low estimate it will be in the same league in terms of success as the Bonhams 2008 inaugural urban event.
If 70% or more of the lots from this auction reach at least their low estimate it will be in the same league in terms of success as the Bonhams 2008 inaugural urban event.
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by AFR1KA on Jan 19, 2013 6:20:54 GMT 1, If 70% or more of the lots from this auction reach at least their low estimate it will be in the same league in terms of success as the Bonhams 2008 inaugural urban event.
But do you think that will actually happen...
If 70% or more of the lots from this auction reach at least their low estimate it will be in the same league in terms of success as the Bonhams 2008 inaugural urban event. But do you think that will actually happen... |
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by Simococo on Jan 19, 2013 6:29:30 GMT 1, If 70% or more of the lots from this auction reach at least their low estimate it will be in the same league in terms of success as the Bonhams 2008 inaugural urban event. But do you think that will actually happen...
I really can't see it all unless there are shadowy forces at work..... Or the French economy has suddenly swung into overdrive.
If 70% or more of the lots from this auction reach at least their low estimate it will be in the same league in terms of success as the Bonhams 2008 inaugural urban event. But do you think that will actually happen... I really can't see it all unless there are shadowy forces at work..... Or the French economy has suddenly swung into overdrive. |
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by floubi on Jan 19, 2013 9:54:41 GMT 1, thanks trax for the pics! I'll go to the auction on tuesday but I won't be able to see the pieces before... Hope to see you there ! If the auction is as good as the vernissage... it's going to be fun
Can't wait, I'll be my first urban art auction...
thanks trax for the pics! I'll go to the auction on tuesday but I won't be able to see the pieces before... Hope to see you there ! If the auction is as good as the vernissage... it's going to be fun Can't wait, I'll be my first urban art auction... |
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by Agent Provocateur on Jan 19, 2013 19:18:40 GMT 1, Pics from Last Night Vernissage: 
Thanks for the pics trax.
Really liking the small Dface, the black TMA New York (is that hand sprayed?) and the small Invader (is that a canvas? must be quite pricey!). Never seen that black and gold version of the large American Depress card, were they a small edition not at the BRP show?
Oh, and the building looks spectacular!
Pics from Last Night Vernissage: Thanks for the pics trax. Really liking the small Dface, the black TMA New York (is that hand sprayed?) and the small Invader (is that a canvas? must be quite pricey!). Never seen that black and gold version of the large American Depress card, were they a small edition not at the BRP show? Oh, and the building looks spectacular! |
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by jojo21 on Jan 21, 2013 1:05:18 GMT 1, hi guys,
today i went to artcurial and made a review of the pieces exhibited for my blog (http://www.thestreetartblog.net/2013/01/huge-street-art-auction-in-paris.html)
the place was packed and the guys from artcurial said that they already have orders for more than half of the lots...
and they will extand the auction room because of the large amount of people expected.
let's see how it goes.
hi guys,
today i went to artcurial and made a review of the pieces exhibited for my blog (http://www.thestreetartblog.net/2013/01/huge-street-art-auction-in-paris.html)
the place was packed and the guys from artcurial said that they already have orders for more than half of the lots...
and they will extand the auction room because of the large amount of people expected.
let's see how it goes.
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by Tompkins on Jan 21, 2013 2:19:44 GMT 1, Great pics Jojo, nice one
Some really cool lots in there wish I could have a wander around the place and take it all in.
That apple invader should be on my wall !
Great pics Jojo, nice one
Some really cool lots in there wish I could have a wander around the place and take it all in.
That apple invader should be on my wall !
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 7:45:08 GMT 1, Nice Jojo
Nice Jojo
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by Cedric Mnich on Jan 21, 2013 10:44:17 GMT 1, Went to Artcurial as well yesterday. Very nice pieces. Was happy to see the metal blue Katrin Fridriks print which is gorgeous (and was nicely framed) though I am quite surprised it already hits an auction only a few weeks after its release. Same for the Conor Harrington print. It's either pure speculation or obvious "artist value enhancing" imho. The JR prints looked undervalued from my pov. The Louis Philippe bridge was estimated 700-900 which is hard to understand... I own one, it is a 85 edition, was originally 650 EUR and the frame alone probably costed more than 150 or 200 EUR. The very same orint was recently proposed by LAZ in the mailing list at more than 2500 GBP... All the other JRs were estimated around 1200-1500 EUR. Weird.
Went to Artcurial as well yesterday. Very nice pieces. Was happy to see the metal blue Katrin Fridriks print which is gorgeous (and was nicely framed) though I am quite surprised it already hits an auction only a few weeks after its release. Same for the Conor Harrington print. It's either pure speculation or obvious "artist value enhancing" imho. The JR prints looked undervalued from my pov. The Louis Philippe bridge was estimated 700-900 which is hard to understand... I own one, it is a 85 edition, was originally 650 EUR and the frame alone probably costed more than 150 or 200 EUR. The very same orint was recently proposed by LAZ in the mailing list at more than 2500 GBP... All the other JRs were estimated around 1200-1500 EUR. Weird.
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Artcurial Art Auctions , by octopus on Jan 21, 2013 11:24:22 GMT 1, If 70% or more of the lots from this auction reach at least their low estimate it will be in the same league in terms of success as the Bonhams 2008 inaugural urban event. But do you think that will actually happen...
Personally I doubt it will...
If 70% or more of the lots from this auction reach at least their low estimate it will be in the same league in terms of success as the Bonhams 2008 inaugural urban event. But do you think that will actually happen... Personally I doubt it will... |
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