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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by trapnel1 on Oct 21, 2015 13:02:39 GMT 1, Bob - take another look at the conditions of sale. Winter - you raise an interesting question about enforceability (both as a matter of law and practically). Guess we'll see in due course - don't imagine all the buyers are purchasing for their "own personal enjoyment". They're clear as day to me, so I can't for the life of me understood why you're suggesting I take another look. You can't purchase them on behalf of a third party. That has nothing to do with resale. Terms and conditions are interesting. " Specifically, you may not sell or offer for sale the Artwork on any internet based auction or other website. " Carefully worded. Whether or not this could be / will be enforced is a separate issue. I don't think these are new conditions, and apply to all of their prints. I have purchased a few over the years, but haven't attempted to sell any yet. I think the same T&Cs applied to the Ai Wei Wei Serpentine print, and a few seem to have sold (including on here) over the years without any problems......
Bob - take another look at the conditions of sale. Winter - you raise an interesting question about enforceability (both as a matter of law and practically). Guess we'll see in due course - don't imagine all the buyers are purchasing for their "own personal enjoyment". They're clear as day to me, so I can't for the life of me understood why you're suggesting I take another look. You can't purchase them on behalf of a third party. That has nothing to do with resale. Terms and conditions are interesting. " Specifically, you may not sell or offer for sale the Artwork on any internet based auction or other website. " Carefully worded. Whether or not this could be / will be enforced is a separate issue. I don't think these are new conditions, and apply to all of their prints. I have purchased a few over the years, but haven't attempted to sell any yet. I think the same T&Cs applied to the Ai Wei Wei Serpentine print, and a few seem to have sold (including on here) over the years without any problems......
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by samfrost on Oct 21, 2015 13:29:47 GMT 1, Hard to enforce, but galleries can and do refuse to sell to known flippers.
There is some case law in the USA regarding these clauses. However, actual enforcement is another issue.
www.artnet.com/magazineus/news/spencer/spencers-art-law-journal-9-2-11.asp
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Poster Bob on Oct 21, 2015 14:37:17 GMT 1, They're clear as day to me, so I can't for the life of me understood why you're suggesting I take another look. You can't purchase them on behalf of a third party. That has nothing to do with resale. Terms and conditions are interesting. " Specifically, you may not sell or offer for sale the Artwork on any internet based auction or other website. " Carefully worded. Whether or not this could be / will be enforced is a separate issue. I don't think these are new conditions, and apply to all of their prints. I have purchased a few over the years, but haven't attempted to sell any yet. I think the same T&Cs applied to the Ai Wei Wei Serpentine print, and a few seem to have sold (including on here) over the years without any problems...... Ah ok, I was going on what was posted above which was clearly an annotated version. I cannot see them ever trying to enforce that and the second these are confirmed as sold out the galleries will be lining up to sell them on Artnet and Paddle 8.
They're clear as day to me, so I can't for the life of me understood why you're suggesting I take another look. You can't purchase them on behalf of a third party. That has nothing to do with resale. Terms and conditions are interesting. " Specifically, you may not sell or offer for sale the Artwork on any internet based auction or other website. " Carefully worded. Whether or not this could be / will be enforced is a separate issue. I don't think these are new conditions, and apply to all of their prints. I have purchased a few over the years, but haven't attempted to sell any yet. I think the same T&Cs applied to the Ai Wei Wei Serpentine print, and a few seem to have sold (including on here) over the years without any problems...... Ah ok, I was going on what was posted above which was clearly an annotated version. I cannot see them ever trying to enforce that and the second these are confirmed as sold out the galleries will be lining up to sell them on Artnet and Paddle 8.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Poster Bob on Oct 21, 2015 15:50:00 GMT 1, Ah ok, I was going on what was posted above which was clearly an annotated version. I cannot see them ever trying to enforce that and the second these are confirmed as sold out the galleries will be lining up to sell them on Artnet and Paddle 8. Really can't see this happening with these. It's a Richter but not very Richter. That's what I said about P1 & P2 before they broke ยฃ40k. His market is ludicrous in my opinion and he is a master of many styles; personally, I prefer his painted photo works like Uncle Rudi.
Ah ok, I was going on what was posted above which was clearly an annotated version. I cannot see them ever trying to enforce that and the second these are confirmed as sold out the galleries will be lining up to sell them on Artnet and Paddle 8. Really can't see this happening with these. It's a Richter but not very Richter. That's what I said about P1 & P2 before they broke ยฃ40k. His market is ludicrous in my opinion and he is a master of many styles; personally, I prefer his painted photo works like Uncle Rudi.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by New Art Editions on Oct 21, 2015 16:08:47 GMT 1, Terms and conditions are interesting. " Specifically, you may not sell or offer for sale the Artwork on any internet based auction or other website. " Carefully worded. Whether or not this could be / will be enforced is a separate issue. I don't think these are new conditions, and apply to all of their prints. I have purchased a few over the years, but haven't attempted to sell any yet. I think the same T&Cs applied to the Ai Wei Wei Serpentine print, and a few seem to have sold (including on here) over the years without any problems...... Ah ok, I was going on what was posted above which was clearly an annotated version. I cannot see them ever trying to enforce that and the second these are confirmed as sold out the galleries will be lining up to sell them on Artnet and Paddle 8. Camden Arts and Nottingham Contemporary sold their Glenn Ligon editions under the same signed for conditions. It is a fact that at least 2 lots (Artnet and Phillips) were withdrawn by force. Do feel the force ...
Terms and conditions are interesting. " Specifically, you may not sell or offer for sale the Artwork on any internet based auction or other website. " Carefully worded. Whether or not this could be / will be enforced is a separate issue. I don't think these are new conditions, and apply to all of their prints. I have purchased a few over the years, but haven't attempted to sell any yet. I think the same T&Cs applied to the Ai Wei Wei Serpentine print, and a few seem to have sold (including on here) over the years without any problems...... Ah ok, I was going on what was posted above which was clearly an annotated version. I cannot see them ever trying to enforce that and the second these are confirmed as sold out the galleries will be lining up to sell them on Artnet and Paddle 8. Camden Arts and Nottingham Contemporary sold their Glenn Ligon editions under the same signed for conditions. It is a fact that at least 2 lots (Artnet and Phillips) were withdrawn by force. Do feel the force ...
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by trapnel1 on Oct 21, 2015 16:35:53 GMT 1, ย [/quote]Camden Arts and Nottingham Contemporary sold their Glenn Ligon editions under the same signed for conditions. It is a fact that at least 2 lots (Artnet and Phillips) were withdrawn by force. Do feel the force ... [/quote]
I have never been asked to sign any conditions, though I've never given them any cause for concern. I wonder if they ask some buyers to sign something?
ย [/quote]Camden Arts and Nottingham Contemporary sold their Glenn Ligon editions under the same signed for conditions. It is a fact that at least 2 lots (Artnet and Phillips) were withdrawn by force. Do feel the force ... [/quote]
I have never been asked to sign any conditions, though I've never given them any cause for concern. I wonder if they ask some buyers to sign something?
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Happy Shopper on Oct 21, 2015 16:42:24 GMT 1, I have never been asked to sign any conditions, though I've never given them any cause for concern. I wonder if they ask some buyers to sign something?
I think just by buying you are agreeing to their terms of sale.
I have never been asked to sign any conditions, though I've never given them any cause for concern. I wonder if they ask some buyers to sign something? I think just by buying you are agreeing to their terms of sale.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Poster Bob on Oct 24, 2015 16:43:07 GMT 1, I picked mine up today; I think they look great. It's great to get something that's ready for hanging without any additional cost.
I picked mine up today; I think they look great. It's great to get something that's ready for hanging without any additional cost.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by john1539 on Oct 28, 2015 8:50:48 GMT 1, Hi posterbob can you show us some images of your Richter?
Hi posterbob can you show us some images of your Richter?
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Poster Bob on Oct 28, 2015 10:33:06 GMT 1, It looks exactly the same as the images on the site.
It looks exactly the same as the images on the site.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Tommy Tucker on Nov 3, 2015 12:18:54 GMT 1, Mine came through today and was extremely well packaged. Very happy
Mine came through today and was extremely well packaged. Very happy
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Poster Bob on Nov 3, 2015 13:21:10 GMT 1, I was told earlier in the wekk that they're sold out but the Serpentine shop website doesn't corroborate that claim.
I was told earlier in the wekk that they're sold out but the Serpentine shop website doesn't corroborate that claim.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by john1539 on Nov 5, 2015 10:06:00 GMT 1, Hi, thanks for the update. I am waiting mine...
Hi, thanks for the update. I am waiting mine...
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Winter on Nov 11, 2015 9:07:23 GMT 1, One on eBay with very clear details of the seller. Obviously not fussed about the agreement
One on eBay with very clear details of the seller. Obviously not fussed about the agreement
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Poster Bob on Nov 11, 2015 10:27:26 GMT 1, No one is going to get harassed over the sale of a Richter on Ebay.
No one is going to get harassed over the sale of a Richter on Ebay.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Kawsisking on Nov 12, 2015 7:34:14 GMT 1, There is no terms and conditions except: I confirm that the print(s) are for personal use and not be traded through, or purchased for, a third party.
There is no terms and conditions except: I confirm that the print(s) are for personal use and not be traded through, or purchased for, a third party.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Kawsisking on Nov 12, 2015 16:14:11 GMT 1, Wow, didn't see that. No way it is enforced. I assume they have always had this up, but people are selling their P8-P12 left and right.
Wow, didn't see that. No way it is enforced. I assume they have always had this up, but people are selling their P8-P12 left and right.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Kawsisking on Nov 16, 2015 17:03:58 GMT 1, Guardian edit : 11 Kawsisking How many times? - you are more than welcome to PM the guy but please don't attempt to bypass the rules or you wont be permitted to raise any sales threads
Guardian edit : 11 KawsiskingHow many times? - you are more than welcome to PM the guy but please don't attempt to bypass the rules or you wont be permitted to raise any sales threads
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by dreadnatty on Dec 23, 2015 17:23:38 GMT 1, Richter Says He's Shocked by the State of the Art Market
news.artnet.com/people/gerhard-richter-criticizes-art-market-398694?utm_content=bufferfae5a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=socialmedia
The most expensive living artist in Europe, Gerhard Richter, criticized the art market and denounced the hype surrounding contemporary artists, including himself, as a โcult of personality."
Speaking to the German weekly Die Zeit, the 83-year-old painter said the exorbitant prices his artworks achieve at auction were proof of how โinsanely the art market has developed," and how the prices have nothing to do with the work.
He expressed his disbelief at the fact that even his signed postcards were being sold on the market and fetching high prices, calling it a โfrightening development."
In a previous interview with Die Zeit in March, Richter spoke about the record-breaking $46.3 million sale of his painting Abstraktes Bild (1986), making him one of the most expensive European artists of 2015.
โI am startled [by record prices] even though it's nice, good news. The sum however has something shocking. You know the whole art market is hopelessly excessive [โฆ] it is incomprehensible, as incomprehensible to me as Chinese or physics."
He explained that there was a large disparity between quality and price in the art market, citing the $31.7 million sale of his own painting Domplatz, Mailand (1968) as an example.
I found it odd," he said. โI don't think it's so great, although it inspired me to make many other city pictures. When I heard how much it cost at auction, I thought, oh, that is totally overpriced."
He went on to label the increasing importance of auctions in the art market as โpretty shocking."
Richter said โWhen you look at the catalogs which are becoming increasingly terrible you wouldn't believe what nonsense is being offered at prices that continue to climb upwards. For serious galleries the business is consequently becoming even more difficult."
The artist also had something to say about Germany's controversial cultural protection legislation amendment. โThe idea of holding on to [important artworks] is nice, but completely outdated," Richter said. โIt really doesn't matter whether the Mona Lisa hangs in Paris or in Rome as long as it can be viewed by the public and everything possible is done to preserve it."
Richter has been a vocal critic of the German government's plans and even joined fellow artist and compatriot Georg Baselitz in threatening to pull his loaned works from German museums should the government go ahead with the plans.
Richter Says He's Shocked by the State of the Art Market news.artnet.com/people/gerhard-richter-criticizes-art-market-398694?utm_content=bufferfae5a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=socialmediaThe most expensive living artist in Europe, Gerhard Richter, criticized the art market and denounced the hype surrounding contemporary artists, including himself, as a โcult of personality." Speaking to the German weekly Die Zeit, the 83-year-old painter said the exorbitant prices his artworks achieve at auction were proof of how โinsanely the art market has developed," and how the prices have nothing to do with the work. He expressed his disbelief at the fact that even his signed postcards were being sold on the market and fetching high prices, calling it a โfrightening development." In a previous interview with Die Zeit in March, Richter spoke about the record-breaking $46.3 million sale of his painting Abstraktes Bild (1986), making him one of the most expensive European artists of 2015. โI am startled [by record prices] even though it's nice, good news. The sum however has something shocking. You know the whole art market is hopelessly excessive [โฆ] it is incomprehensible, as incomprehensible to me as Chinese or physics." He explained that there was a large disparity between quality and price in the art market, citing the $31.7 million sale of his own painting Domplatz, Mailand (1968) as an example. I found it odd," he said. โI don't think it's so great, although it inspired me to make many other city pictures. When I heard how much it cost at auction, I thought, oh, that is totally overpriced." He went on to label the increasing importance of auctions in the art market as โpretty shocking." Richter said โWhen you look at the catalogs which are becoming increasingly terrible you wouldn't believe what nonsense is being offered at prices that continue to climb upwards. For serious galleries the business is consequently becoming even more difficult." The artist also had something to say about Germany's controversial cultural protection legislation amendment. โThe idea of holding on to [important artworks] is nice, but completely outdated," Richter said. โIt really doesn't matter whether the Mona Lisa hangs in Paris or in Rome as long as it can be viewed by the public and everything possible is done to preserve it." Richter has been a vocal critic of the German government's plans and even joined fellow artist and compatriot Georg Baselitz in threatening to pull his loaned works from German museums should the government go ahead with the plans.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Amber Halo on Dec 23, 2015 17:26:55 GMT 1, Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for sharing.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 18:13:37 GMT 1, I'll take one off him at cost if he's that upset.
I'll take one off him at cost if he's that upset.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 18:21:38 GMT 1,
I know how he feels
I know how he feels
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Dungle on Dec 23, 2015 19:31:15 GMT 1, Pretty gutting if you're the buyer of Domplatz!
Pretty gutting if you're the buyer of Domplatz!
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Black Apple Art on Dec 23, 2015 19:35:03 GMT 1, The best was his last big interview after his painting sold for $31.7mil and actually called the buyer a moron lol
The best was his last big interview after his painting sold for $31.7mil and actually called the buyer a moron lol
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 19:58:14 GMT 1, a lot of so called culturally important art is garbage anyway.
The museums and other bods only value it's importance based on some shill bid price at auction.
a lot of so called culturally important art is garbage anyway.
The museums and other bods only value it's importance based on some shill bid price at auction.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by andysh on Dec 23, 2015 20:10:19 GMT 1, Very interesting
Very interesting
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by met on Dec 24, 2015 2:34:28 GMT 1, The best was his last big interview after his painting sold for $31.7mil and actually called the buyer a moron lol For the record, this is unfair and misleading because it isn't something Gerhard Richter said. You made similar references about the artist a couple of times earlier in the year, although I didn't previously challenge these.
[The comments stayed in my mind because your posts are among those by forum members I look out for and read. In particular, I appreciate your militancy regarding:
(i) the accuracy of condition descriptions for works on paper, and the impact that condition has on financial value; (ii) the limited use of quoting a secondary market price without also describing the condition of the art; and (iii) the importance of examining works outside of their frames, since appearances can be so deceiving and framing often hides minor or serious condition issues.
The warnings you've repeatedly given are, in my opinion, slowly having an effect. They make people more conscious of purchasing risks, especially framing-related โ and this is helping to initiate a desirable culture shift in buyer expectations on the forum (something that has already happened in relation to Pest Control COAs for Banksy prints).]
Your perception of what Richter said seems to be based on a March 2015 piece in The Guardian. It's worth emphasising this article is only a summary in English of a Die Zeit interview conducted with Richter in German. So there's been both translating and paraphrasing involved in the English article. The German text itself would most likely have been edited also, rather than being a faithful word-for-word transcription of the full interview.
In addition, the attempted recap by The Guardian changes the original context to the point where I believe it misrepresents and distorts what Richter actually stated. When reading it, the impression one gets of the artist is sometimes at odds with the general tone of the Die Zeit interview. At least in this respect, the article in The Guardian is a failure. And Richter does not himself use the words "moron" or "foolish".
In case you haven't yet seen the source interview, I do recommend it โ using an online German-to-English translating programme if necessary. It's a measured, engaging and refreshingly candid exchange covering Richter's ambivalence about the contemporary art market:
www.zeit.de/2015/10/gerhard-richter-kunst-preise
As a related but separate issue, when considering Richter's viewpoints, it's worth factoring in his background as well. He grew up both during the War and the period of post-War economic hardship. His young adulthood (until his late twenties) was spent in a country with a socialist centrally-planned economy. This shines a different light on his market-related comments than it would if the same comments had been made by an artist raised in the US or Western Europe.
The best was his last big interview after his painting sold for $31.7mil and actually called the buyer a moron lol For the record, this is unfair and misleading because it isn't something Gerhard Richter said. You made similar references about the artist a couple of times earlier in the year, although I didn't previously challenge these. [The comments stayed in my mind because your posts are among those by forum members I look out for and read. In particular, I appreciate your militancy regarding:
(i) the accuracy of condition descriptions for works on paper, and the impact that condition has on financial value; (ii) the limited use of quoting a secondary market price without also describing the condition of the art; and (iii) the importance of examining works outside of their frames, since appearances can be so deceiving and framing often hides minor or serious condition issues.
The warnings you've repeatedly given are, in my opinion, slowly having an effect. They make people more conscious of purchasing risks, especially framing-related โ and this is helping to initiate a desirable culture shift in buyer expectations on the forum (something that has already happened in relation to Pest Control COAs for Banksy prints).]Your perception of what Richter said seems to be based on a March 2015 piece in The Guardian. It's worth emphasising this article is only a summary in English of a Die Zeit interview conducted with Richter in German. So there's been both translating and paraphrasing involved in the English article. The German text itself would most likely have been edited also, rather than being a faithful word-for-word transcription of the full interview. In addition, the attempted recap by The Guardian changes the original context to the point where I believe it misrepresents and distorts what Richter actually stated. When reading it, the impression one gets of the artist is sometimes at odds with the general tone of the Die Zeit interview. At least in this respect, the article in The Guardian is a failure. And Richter does not himself use the words "moron" or "foolish". In case you haven't yet seen the source interview, I do recommend it โ using an online German-to-English translating programme if necessary. It's a measured, engaging and refreshingly candid exchange covering Richter's ambivalence about the contemporary art market: www.zeit.de/2015/10/gerhard-richter-kunst-preiseAs a related but separate issue, when considering Richter's viewpoints, it's worth factoring in his background as well. He grew up both during the War and the period of post-War economic hardship. His young adulthood (until his late twenties) was spent in a country with a socialist centrally-planned economy. This shines a different light on his market-related comments than it would if the same comments had been made by an artist raised in the US or Western Europe.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Black Apple Art on Dec 24, 2015 14:19:58 GMT 1, The best was his last big interview after his painting sold for $31.7mil and actually called the buyer a moron lol For the record, this is unfair and misleading because it isn't something Gerhard Richter said. You made similar references about the artist a couple of times earlier in the year, although I didn't previously challenge these. [The comments stayed in my mind because your posts are among those by forum members I look out for and read. In particular, I appreciate your militancy regarding:
(i) the accuracy of condition descriptions for works on paper, and the impact that condition has on financial value; (ii) the limited use of quoting a secondary market price without also describing the condition of the art; and (iii) the importance of examining works outside of their frames, since appearances can be so deceiving and framing often hides minor or serious condition issues.
The warnings you've repeatedly given are, in my opinion, slowly having an effect. They make people more conscious of purchasing risks, especially framing-related โ and this is helping to initiate a desirable culture shift in buyer expectations on the forum (something that has already happened in relation to Pest Control COAs for Banksy prints).]Your perception of what Richter said seems to be based on a March 2015 piece in The Guardian. It's worth emphasising this article is only a summary in English of a Die Zeit interview conducted with Richter in German. So there's been both translating and paraphrasing involved in the English article. The German text itself would most likely have been edited also, rather than being a faithful word-for-word transcription of the full interview. In addition, the attempted recap by The Guardian changes the original context to the point where I believe it misrepresents and distorts what Richter actually stated. When reading it, the impression one gets of the artist is sometimes at odds with the general tone of the Die Zeit interview. At least in this respect, the article in The Guardian is a failure. And Richter does not himself use the words "moron" or "foolish". In case you haven't yet seen the source interview, I do recommend it โ using an online German-to-English translating programme if necessary. It's a measured, engaging and refreshingly candid exchange covering Richter's ambivalence about the contemporary art market: www.zeit.de/2015/10/gerhard-richter-kunst-preiseAs a related but separate issue, when considering Richter's viewpoints, it's worth factoring in his background as well. He grew up both during the War and the period of post-War economic hardship. His young adulthood (until his late twenties) was spent in a country with a socialist centrally-planned economy. This shines a different light on his market-related comments than it would if the same comments had been made by an artist raised in the US or Western Europe. You spent quite a lot of time in this response which in my view just danced around the facts and said nothing. His exact quote was the buyer of his record breaking priced work was "foolish". My point was this was the first time in recorded history that I have found an artist actually called the buyer "foolish" for paying what he did. I in no way think this is wrong, I just think it is remarkable that an artist at his level actually spoke his mind on record regardless of the repercussions. If anything I commend his honesty.
The best was his last big interview after his painting sold for $31.7mil and actually called the buyer a moron lol For the record, this is unfair and misleading because it isn't something Gerhard Richter said. You made similar references about the artist a couple of times earlier in the year, although I didn't previously challenge these. [The comments stayed in my mind because your posts are among those by forum members I look out for and read. In particular, I appreciate your militancy regarding:
(i) the accuracy of condition descriptions for works on paper, and the impact that condition has on financial value; (ii) the limited use of quoting a secondary market price without also describing the condition of the art; and (iii) the importance of examining works outside of their frames, since appearances can be so deceiving and framing often hides minor or serious condition issues.
The warnings you've repeatedly given are, in my opinion, slowly having an effect. They make people more conscious of purchasing risks, especially framing-related โ and this is helping to initiate a desirable culture shift in buyer expectations on the forum (something that has already happened in relation to Pest Control COAs for Banksy prints).]Your perception of what Richter said seems to be based on a March 2015 piece in The Guardian. It's worth emphasising this article is only a summary in English of a Die Zeit interview conducted with Richter in German. So there's been both translating and paraphrasing involved in the English article. The German text itself would most likely have been edited also, rather than being a faithful word-for-word transcription of the full interview. In addition, the attempted recap by The Guardian changes the original context to the point where I believe it misrepresents and distorts what Richter actually stated. When reading it, the impression one gets of the artist is sometimes at odds with the general tone of the Die Zeit interview. At least in this respect, the article in The Guardian is a failure. And Richter does not himself use the words "moron" or "foolish". In case you haven't yet seen the source interview, I do recommend it โ using an online German-to-English translating programme if necessary. It's a measured, engaging and refreshingly candid exchange covering Richter's ambivalence about the contemporary art market: www.zeit.de/2015/10/gerhard-richter-kunst-preiseAs a related but separate issue, when considering Richter's viewpoints, it's worth factoring in his background as well. He grew up both during the War and the period of post-War economic hardship. His young adulthood (until his late twenties) was spent in a country with a socialist centrally-planned economy. This shines a different light on his market-related comments than it would if the same comments had been made by an artist raised in the US or Western Europe. You spent quite a lot of time in this response which in my view just danced around the facts and said nothing. His exact quote was the buyer of his record breaking priced work was "foolish". My point was this was the first time in recorded history that I have found an artist actually called the buyer "foolish" for paying what he did. I in no way think this is wrong, I just think it is remarkable that an artist at his level actually spoke his mind on record regardless of the repercussions. If anything I commend his honesty.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 21:23:24 GMT 1, Not a sour kraut then?
Would he say the same if he got the 40 odd million for the painting?
I guess the point he made is that the artist has no control over the selling price.
Not a sour kraut then?
Would he say the same if he got the 40 odd million for the painting?
I guess the point he made is that the artist has no control over the selling price.
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