[JD]

Can someone point me to some threads please

I have a couple I picked up from the show so obviously I know they are but it would be good to show a buyer in the future how to spot they are real

Thanks

JD

[Woodey1001]

You can't. They are to easy to fake.

[Deleted]

Aug 22, 2020 16:26:24 GMT 1 JD said:

Can someone point me to some threads please

I have a couple I picked up from the show so obviously I know they are but it would be good to show a buyer in the future how to spot they are real

Thanks

JD

The reverse is key I think

You can see the ink has raised the paper

I don't think there have been any fakes that have the reverse detail

Happy to be corrected

[telecine]

Aug 22, 2020 17:09:57 GMT 1 Woodey1001 said:

You can't. They are to easy to fake.

Surely they’re quite tricky to fake?
They’re screen printed on basically newspaper.
Would it be easy ?

[telecine]

Aug 22, 2020 17:21:51 GMT 1 @runt said:

Aug 22, 2020 16:26:24 GMT 1 JD said:

Can someone point me to some threads please

I have a couple I picked up from the show so obviously I know they are but it would be good to show a buyer in the future how to spot they are real

Thanks

JD

The reverse is key I think

You can see the ink has raised the paper

I don't think there have been any fakes that have the reverse detail

Happy to be corrected

My genuine one has the back raised by the print.

[JD]

Yeah the back is quite easy but not a given about the risen . I have two . Picked up on person . One of the backs is very risen . One hardly . Both see through

Mine both have a straight edge on all sides .

Have any got slightly ripped edges ?

[iamzero]

If they’re so easy to fake how come WCP can’t completely nail it?

[telecine]

Aug 22, 2020 17:33:42 GMT 1 JD said:

Yeah the back is quite easy but not a given about the risen . I have two . Picked up on person . One of the backs is very risen . One hardly . Both see through

Mine both have a straight edge on all sides .

Have any got slightly ripped edges ?

There are a lot with skinny sticky tape tear

[ca]

I’d delete that thread before it becomes a "how to fake GDP rat" ...

[sbash]

Aug 22, 2020 17:44:49 GMT 1 telecine said:

Aug 22, 2020 17:33:42 GMT 1 JD said:

Yeah the back is quite easy but not a given about the risen . I have two . Picked up on person . One of the backs is very risen . One hardly . Both see through

Mine both have a straight edge on all sides .

Have any got slightly ripped edges ?

There are a lot with skinny sticky tape tear

Funny thing is, when I got prints home I thought I'd leave the tape on as some sort of proof of provenance.  2 or 3 days in I started to worry that they'd damage the print long term and that I'd never be able to remove without ripping the paper.  So I ended up removing all the tape! to be fair, quite easy to 'fake' that part.  

I would say the prints are pretty hard to copy PROPERLY as others have suggested prior.

[Deleted]

Aug 22, 2020 17:33:42 GMT 1 JD said:

Yeah the back is quite easy but not a given about the risen . I have two . Picked up on person . One of the backs is very risen . One hardly . Both see through

Mine both have a straight edge on all sides .

Have any got slightly ripped edges ?

I disagree

I think it is a given

If it isn't risen its a fake

[Gurn]

I would imagine that they are pretty difficult to fake. However, the problem arises when someone who has never seen a legit one has nothing to compare a purchase to.
There are many subtle nuances to the GDP Rat...The paper, the ink, the size, the reverse..even one or two splats. If I was buying one now I'd hope that the seller would be open to letting me see it alongside one I knew was 100% genuine.

[coller]

the amount of good fakes for anything banksy-related will surprise you. up to and including signed prints. this is no different. even if it isn't perfectly faked now, it will be eventually. because forgers want to make money, and these items sell.


people paying big money for items without pest control COA should really think hard about it. you're really only buying it for yourself, in every sense of the word(s), since you will almost definitely not be able to prove it's real later on. or maybe even at the time.


my rule is buy at source or buy with pest control COA, otherwise assume it is fake. i make some exceptions for long-time forum members.

[Woodey1001]

Aug 22, 2020 17:23:09 GMT 1 telecine said:

Aug 22, 2020 17:09:57 GMT 1 Woodey1001 said:

You can't. They are to easy to fake.

Surely they’re quite tricky to fake?
They’re screen printed on basically newspaper.
Would it be easy ?

Yes. The easiest.

[anodyne13]

I think it’s all about the paper (color and texture) and ink. But you need a real on to compare it to actually tell for sure.

The longer time goes on past the date of the show the higher the probability that you may be buying a fake.

[vvk]

anyone put these under a black light / UV light?

[avec art]

the paper is easy to get, I use it often. Screen printing a black design on it will raise the back like that - the moisture and subsequent drying does it.

Where you lose quality is the scanning of the initial print. You'd have a difficult time getting all of the fine detail. They made the initial design straight to an acetate, so it has authentically captured all the spray, and has then been deliberately smudged with a finger or some implement while still wet.

[vvk]

Aug 22, 2020 21:23:13 GMT 1 avec art said:

"They made the initial design straight to an acetate, so it has authentically captured all the spray, and has then been deliberately smudged with a finger or some implement while still wet."

Is this  fact, or  your  pro opinion?   While i believe the clocks were "smugged" im not so sure about the Handout  rat print on newsprint. I  don't believe it was painted directly on on acetate  either, it think it was exported from procreate and then printed on film. but then again, i didnt get much sleep so im not thinking straight.

and just so  my message does not get taken the wrong  way, I mean  no offense to you nor any disrespect. Im asking as you mentioned that you do this  type of stuff, and i am curious.
thanks

[avec art]

yes the design of the rat itself on the handouts has scratching/smudging into the ink. It looks like it's been done with a brush. If someone pulls it up you can see.

Also it was GDP which said they were sprayed straight to acetate, which is consistent with its appearance. But it's perfectly possible to use acetate or film as you say.

The rats of the clock have an extra grey ink wash which I believe is like what we'd usually call hand finishing.

[avec art]

[jjplay]

The back of my rat prints have really deep indentations.

[avec art]

I don't suppose you need to over analyse this stuff, but you might ask why is there spray underneath where the ink has been smudged/brushed?

[duffer31]

Aug 23, 2020 10:42:50 GMT 1 jjplay said:

The back of my rat prints have really deep indentations.

Did you live round the corner for a few days lol

[jjplay]

I work and live in Croydon , so I managed to get four rats. I gave one away and kept 3.

[Happy Shopper]

I’d assume the fakes are large photocopies, not screen printed. So they’d look pretty good in pictures, but nothing like the real thing in reality.
Screen printed fakes I’d expect to lose a lot of detail, and be easy to spot... like WCP fakes.

[Inknart]

Aug 25, 2020 23:31:28 GMT 1 Mojo 88 said:

Aug 22, 2020 18:33:40 GMT 1 coller said:

the amount of good fakes for anything banksy-related will surprise you. up to and including signed prints. this is no different. even if it isn't perfectly faked now, it will be eventually. because forgers want to make money, and these items sell.


people paying big money for items without pest control COA should really think hard about it. you're really only buying it for yourself, in every sense of the word(s), since you will almost definitely not be able to prove it's real later on. or maybe even at the time.


my rule is buy at source or buy with pest control COA, otherwise assume it is fake. i make some exceptions for long-time forum members.

I wonder if pest control would provide authenticity certificates for GDP gift prints?

No.