JL Broooks
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by JL Broooks on Aug 21, 2020 17:14:53 GMT 1, Well said. This and the Noir and Doodle saga has all the signs of a bubble.
Well said. This and the Noir and Doodle saga has all the signs of a bubble.
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ca
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by ca on Aug 21, 2020 17:21:20 GMT 1, you're definitely right but it is what it is, they take advantage of the new collectors that don't do their research and think everything goes up in value after selling out. There are a lot of art out there, if one starts pricing things ridiculously, on to the next one
you're definitely right but it is what it is, they take advantage of the new collectors that don't do their research and think everything goes up in value after selling out. There are a lot of art out there, if one starts pricing things ridiculously, on to the next one
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by Hairbland on Aug 21, 2020 17:23:12 GMT 1, Being bonkers is part of being an artist.
Being bonkers is part of being an artist.
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Express Post
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by Express Post on Aug 21, 2020 17:25:11 GMT 1, You let Arsham off lightly.
You let Arsham off lightly.
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 17:31:01 GMT 1, Not surprised Hebru Brantley sold out instantly, even at that price. He's been rising for a while. Deserves the success.
Not surprised Hebru Brantley sold out instantly, even at that price. He's been rising for a while. Deserves the success.
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NYart
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by NYart on Aug 21, 2020 17:38:06 GMT 1, The edition size increase really the only noteworthy part of the release. Price point only increased 25% when the prints go for 3-400% retail on secondary.
The edition size increase really the only noteworthy part of the release. Price point only increased 25% when the prints go for 3-400% retail on secondary.
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acaipride
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by acaipride on Aug 21, 2020 17:38:08 GMT 1, I on the other hand see artists asking for a bigger piece of their flip market, they'll let the flippers eat but the artist wants a bigger bite now of market, nothing new, just inflation.
I on the other hand see artists asking for a bigger piece of their flip market, they'll let the flippers eat but the artist wants a bigger bite now of market, nothing new, just inflation.
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Pawel
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by Pawel on Aug 21, 2020 17:38:24 GMT 1, "We are selling to willing buyers, at the current fair market price"- John Tuld in "Margin Call"
"We are selling to willing buyers, at the current fair market price"- John Tuld in "Margin Call"
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Jareds Mind
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by Jareds Mind on Aug 21, 2020 17:43:37 GMT 1, The Hebru print drop earlier this month at Vertical Gallery was like $2500usd. Those also sold out pretty quickly. Crazy prices for sure.
The Hebru print drop earlier this month at Vertical Gallery was like $2500usd. Those also sold out pretty quickly. Crazy prices for sure.
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duffer31
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by duffer31 on Aug 21, 2020 18:03:13 GMT 1, I donโt mind paying an inflated rice if there is only 1-2 print releases a year, but at the moment most artists are releasing drops every second month.
Iโll get my friend to check Stock X for me.
I donโt mind paying an inflated rice if there is only 1-2 print releases a year, but at the moment most artists are releasing drops every second month.
Iโll get my friend to check Stock X for me.
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acaipride
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by acaipride on Aug 21, 2020 18:07:19 GMT 1, I donโt mind paying an inflated rice if there is only 1-2 print releases a year, but at the moment most artists are releasing drops every second month. Iโll get my friend to check Stock X for me. I think HB drops 4 a year..? I'm not sure, I do know that he is popular and his after market increased in value considerably since I first found out about him through that ebay charity print he did a few years ago, used to be you could pick it up after market at 350
I donโt mind paying an inflated rice if there is only 1-2 print releases a year, but at the moment most artists are releasing drops every second month. Iโll get my friend to check Stock X for me. I think HB drops 4 a year..? I'm not sure, I do know that he is popular and his after market increased in value considerably since I first found out about him through that ebay charity print he did a few years ago, used to be you could pick it up after market at 350
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acaipride
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by acaipride on Aug 21, 2020 18:09:49 GMT 1, Itโs completely stupid and insulting in my opinion. I understand all the market rules etc but asking for such a price for a printer print is taking the piss and laughed at. I seriously think of the artist laughing at the fools. Your POV is understandable though it doesn't reflect the general sentiment on his market
Itโs completely stupid and insulting in my opinion. I understand all the market rules etc but asking for such a price for a printer print is taking the piss and laughed at. I seriously think of the artist laughing at the fools. Your POV is understandable though it doesn't reflect the general sentiment on his market
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kapusta
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by kapusta on Aug 21, 2020 18:10:52 GMT 1, IMO, for the edition size, the price is nuts. Double the edition size from his last inkjet print and $400-500 more. But it sold out, and a few have flipped for even more on the aftermarket in mere hours... so what do I know. I just won't be a buyer anymore.
IMO, for the edition size, the price is nuts. Double the edition size from his last inkjet print and $400-500 more. But it sold out, and a few have flipped for even more on the aftermarket in mere hours... so what do I know. I just won't be a buyer anymore.
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acaipride
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 18:18:29 GMT 1, What would you do if you were him? His work sells for far more than he charges. Better he sell lower and give flippers more profit? Thereโs no way to keep prices low *and* get them into the hands of fans who will keep them.
At least he has a store of regular priced stuff, so people who like his art but canโt afford the prints can buy a poster or whatever for under $50.
What would you do if you were him? His work sells for far more than he charges. Better he sell lower and give flippers more profit? Thereโs no way to keep prices low *and* get them into the hands of fans who will keep them.
At least he has a store of regular priced stuff, so people who like his art but canโt afford the prints can buy a poster or whatever for under $50.
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Pawel
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by Pawel on Aug 21, 2020 18:19:08 GMT 1, If you can flip something instantly for 100%, it's no wonder it sells out.
If you can flip something instantly for 100%, it's no wonder it sells out.
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Ruff star
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by Ruff star on Aug 21, 2020 18:21:34 GMT 1, When bankers get together for dinner, they discuss Art. When artists get together for dinner, they discuss money.
When bankers get together for dinner, they discuss Art. When artists get together for dinner, they discuss money.
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 18:27:02 GMT 1, What would you do if you were him? His work sells for far more than he charges. Better he sell lower and give flippers more profit? Thereโs no way to keep prices low *and* get them into the hands of fans who will keep them. At least he has a store of regular priced stuff, so people who like his art but canโt afford the prints can buy a poster or whatever for under $50. If he sells for 10, flippers sell for 20. If he sells for 100, they sell for 200; if he sells for 1200, they sell for 2400. Giving the fault to the flippers makes no sense. They make money anyway
Flippers sell for as much as they can get.
What would you do if you were him? His work sells for far more than he charges. Better he sell lower and give flippers more profit? Thereโs no way to keep prices low *and* get them into the hands of fans who will keep them. At least he has a store of regular priced stuff, so people who like his art but canโt afford the prints can buy a poster or whatever for under $50. If he sells for 10, flippers sell for 20. If he sells for 100, they sell for 200; if he sells for 1200, they sell for 2400. Giving the fault to the flippers makes no sense. They make money anyway Flippers sell for as much as they can get.
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Pawel
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by Pawel on Aug 21, 2020 18:30:06 GMT 1, I don't blame the artists. I blame the buyers.
For the artist, you risk flooding the market, which might cause a problem in the long term.
If you could get a couple $M by selling a few editions, would you resist and play the long game?
I don't blame the artists. I blame the buyers.
For the artist, you risk flooding the market, which might cause a problem in the long term.
If you could get a couple $M by selling a few editions, would you resist and play the long game?
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Express Post
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by Express Post on Aug 21, 2020 18:43:29 GMT 1, If u mad at the price of the edition, ur gonna need to sit down and take an ambien when you find out how much his last batch of ogs sold for.
If u mad at the price of the edition, ur gonna need to sit down and take an ambien when you find out how much his last batch of ogs sold for.
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fonebone45
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by fonebone45 on Aug 21, 2020 19:04:00 GMT 1, I think the problem is that a mediocre nobody like Hebru Brantley sees fellow talentless (but more famous) artists, like Calleja for example, asking a few thousand for their crap cartoon stuff and he thinks "Mmm, I wouldn't mind some of that easy money too". And people are gullible enough to swallow the hype and go for it. Is a Hebru Brantley print worth 1.2K? No, of course it isn't. But whilst people are stupid enough to buy at that price he will continue to churn them out. I find it all quite depressing. Did he not just get a museum show though? Or picked up by a bigger Gallery? There was definitely some news about him very recently. That could have something to do with higher prices. Either way though, it's still hype art, and the bubble will burst.
I think the problem is that a mediocre nobody like Hebru Brantley sees fellow talentless (but more famous) artists, like Calleja for example, asking a few thousand for their crap cartoon stuff and he thinks "Mmm, I wouldn't mind some of that easy money too". And people are gullible enough to swallow the hype and go for it. Is a Hebru Brantley print worth 1.2K? No, of course it isn't. But whilst people are stupid enough to buy at that price he will continue to churn them out. I find it all quite depressing. Did he not just get a museum show though? Or picked up by a bigger Gallery? There was definitely some news about him very recently. That could have something to do with higher prices. Either way though, it's still hype art, and the bubble will burst.
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nobokov
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by nobokov on Aug 21, 2020 19:10:52 GMT 1, I don't blame the artists. I blame the idiots who buy it. They should keep testing the market to see what it bears, then reduce prices if it buckles. Art is a drug and there are plenty of rich addicts in the world.
I don't blame the artists. I blame the idiots who buy it. They should keep testing the market to see what it bears, then reduce prices if it buckles. Art is a drug and there are plenty of rich addicts in the world.
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acaipride
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by acaipride on Aug 21, 2020 19:20:32 GMT 1, Then I mean, if you say that your print is made from 28 or more screen prints with 894754 colours, from the best printer house in the world(letโs take eg. Goldmark Atelier), made in only 10 editions, hand finished using a pencil in your ass , ok I can understand the price. But a print from a printer now... cโmoooon maybe try sending the artist a direct msg, the people will keep on buying so you best put that energy towards a direct msg to the artists comm. channels, then maybe let us know what the artist say.
Then I mean, if you say that your print is made from 28 or more screen prints with 894754 colours, from the best printer house in the world(letโs take eg. Goldmark Atelier), made in only 10 editions, hand finished using a pencil in your ass , ok I can understand the price. But a print from a printer now... cโmoooon maybe try sending the artist a direct msg, the people will keep on buying so you best put that energy towards a direct msg to the artists comm. channels, then maybe let us know what the artist say.
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coller
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by coller on Aug 21, 2020 19:23:12 GMT 1, grrr capitalism.
everyone is at fault. i miss POW.
grrr capitalism.
everyone is at fault. i miss POW.
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acaipride
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by acaipride on Aug 21, 2020 19:24:46 GMT 1, I think the problem is that a mediocre nobody like Hebru Brantley sees fellow talentless (but more famous) artists, like Calleja for example, asking a few thousand for their crap cartoon stuff and he thinks "Mmm, I wouldn't mind some of that easy money too". And people are gullible enough to swallow the hype and go for it. Is a Hebru Brantley print worth 1.2K? No, of course it isn't. But whilst people are stupid enough to buy at that price he will continue to churn them out. I find it all quite depressing. Did he not just get a museum show though? Or picked up by a bigger Gallery? There was definitely some news about him very recently. That could have something to do with higher prices. Either way though, it's still hype art, and the bubble will burst. we've been hearing that about , since the land before time...hebru, sandra, martin whatson, shep, banksy, mr earth wind water and fire glicees, i don't know sounds like jehova's witnesses end of times prophecy since they were created
I think the problem is that a mediocre nobody like Hebru Brantley sees fellow talentless (but more famous) artists, like Calleja for example, asking a few thousand for their crap cartoon stuff and he thinks "Mmm, I wouldn't mind some of that easy money too". And people are gullible enough to swallow the hype and go for it. Is a Hebru Brantley print worth 1.2K? No, of course it isn't. But whilst people are stupid enough to buy at that price he will continue to churn them out. I find it all quite depressing. Did he not just get a museum show though? Or picked up by a bigger Gallery? There was definitely some news about him very recently. That could have something to do with higher prices. Either way though, it's still hype art, and the bubble will burst. we've been hearing that about , since the land before time...hebru, sandra, martin whatson, shep, banksy, mr earth wind water and fire glicees, i don't know sounds like jehova's witnesses end of times prophecy since they were created
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acaipride
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by acaipride on Aug 21, 2020 19:27:01 GMT 1, I think the artist is well clear on the message, placing - on his own webshop - no gallery - a 175+10+10 computerprint edition at $1200. thinking and knowing is 2 diff things..just ask ppl what they think about difaced tenners and then ask PCO on what they know about difaced tenners from LAZ
I think the artist is well clear on the message, placing - on his own webshop - no gallery - a 175+10+10 computerprint edition at $1200. thinking and knowing is 2 diff things..just ask ppl what they think about difaced tenners and then ask PCO on what they know about difaced tenners from LAZ
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by medichead on Aug 21, 2020 19:37:07 GMT 1, Itโs a travesty. There are so many good artists out there, people could be picking up large original canvases from MFA shows and supporting an emergjng artist with huge potential for serious gains in the long term, but at the very least a beautiful work of art to hang on the wall.
Instead, theyโre buying a cartoon that - at best - might double in value, all the while looking slightly embarrassing on your wall when your friends come and see your kaws statues, murukami cushions, and kasuma pumpkins...
I wish people would examine why they like the art that they do...
Itโs a travesty. There are so many good artists out there, people could be picking up large original canvases from MFA shows and supporting an emergjng artist with huge potential for serious gains in the long term, but at the very least a beautiful work of art to hang on the wall.
Instead, theyโre buying a cartoon that - at best - might double in value, all the while looking slightly embarrassing on your wall when your friends come and see your kaws statues, murukami cushions, and kasuma pumpkins...
I wish people would examine why they like the art that they do...
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acaipride
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by acaipride on Aug 21, 2020 19:39:19 GMT 1, Itโs a travesty. There are so many good artists out there, people could be picking up large original canvases from MFA shows and supporting an emergjng artist with huge potential for serious gains in the long term, but at the very least a beautiful work of art to hang on the wall. Instead, theyโre buying a cartoon that - at best - might double in value, all the while looking slightly embarrassing on your wall when your friends come and see your kaws statues, murukami cushions, and kasuma pumpkins... I wish people would examine why they like the art that they do... that's a very narrow view , you are assuming said buyers do not do what you suggest they do with their money.
Itโs a travesty. There are so many good artists out there, people could be picking up large original canvases from MFA shows and supporting an emergjng artist with huge potential for serious gains in the long term, but at the very least a beautiful work of art to hang on the wall. Instead, theyโre buying a cartoon that - at best - might double in value, all the while looking slightly embarrassing on your wall when your friends come and see your kaws statues, murukami cushions, and kasuma pumpkins... I wish people would examine why they like the art that they do... that's a very narrow view , you are assuming said buyers do not do what you suggest they do with their money.
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nobokov
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by nobokov on Aug 21, 2020 19:53:48 GMT 1, Itโs a travesty. There are so many good artists out there, people could be picking up large original canvases from MFA shows and supporting an emergjng artist with huge potential for serious gains in the long term, but at the very least a beautiful work of art to hang on the wall. Instead, theyโre buying a cartoon that - at best - might double in value, all the while looking slightly embarrassing on your wall when your friends come and see your kaws statues, murukami cushions, and kasuma pumpkins... I wish people would examine why they like the art that they do... I think it's good that people are buying junk like that. Leaves less competition for real artworks. Though a lot of the hypebeaster Instacollectors have moved more into emerging artists and have ruined affordability in the last couple years.
Itโs a travesty. There are so many good artists out there, people could be picking up large original canvases from MFA shows and supporting an emergjng artist with huge potential for serious gains in the long term, but at the very least a beautiful work of art to hang on the wall. Instead, theyโre buying a cartoon that - at best - might double in value, all the while looking slightly embarrassing on your wall when your friends come and see your kaws statues, murukami cushions, and kasuma pumpkins... I wish people would examine why they like the art that they do... I think it's good that people are buying junk like that. Leaves less competition for real artworks. Though a lot of the hypebeaster Instacollectors have moved more into emerging artists and have ruined affordability in the last couple years.
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Are artists gone bonkers?, by christiangul on Aug 21, 2020 20:00:25 GMT 1, Itโs a travesty. There are so many good artists out there, people could be picking up large original canvases from MFA shows and supporting an emergjng artist with huge potential for serious gains in the long term, but at the very least a beautiful work of art to hang on the wall. Instead, theyโre buying a cartoon that - at best - might double in value, all the while looking slightly embarrassing on your wall when your friends come and see your kaws statues, murukami cushions, and kasuma pumpkins... I wish people would examine why they like the art that they do...
Best post so far in this thread!๐๐ฝ
Itโs a travesty. There are so many good artists out there, people could be picking up large original canvases from MFA shows and supporting an emergjng artist with huge potential for serious gains in the long term, but at the very least a beautiful work of art to hang on the wall. Instead, theyโre buying a cartoon that - at best - might double in value, all the while looking slightly embarrassing on your wall when your friends come and see your kaws statues, murukami cushions, and kasuma pumpkins... I wish people would examine why they like the art that they do... Best post so far in this thread!๐๐ฝ
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