[FЯ]

Dec 14, 2021 13:24:38 GMT 1 irl1 said:

Dec 14, 2021 1:45:09 GMT 1 Fairxat said:

Authorized by who?
On this thread someone posted pest controls response that the re-releases of the clown image was not authorized, just around in circles.

Hi xxxxxxx.



There is no agreement in place for these images to be reproduced or sold.



Many thanks



Pest Control Office



[e-mail]

Depends how you want to read that. There is no agreement for anything, so they are free to use it as they wish.

[FЯ]

Dec 14, 2021 12:29:00 GMT 1 Dice said:

Decks are one thing but limited edition Banksy prints are another. Team banksy shoudl put a stop to this

Where does it say its a banksy print.

Clown been using this logo on tshirts, boards, bags etc for ages.
Whats the difference in doing a print of it. They can sell posters all they like.

[irl1]

Dec 14, 2021 11:21:27 GMT 1 7star said:

If the cash is going to help kids get into skating then thats obviously a great cause

But if the artist didn't authorise the skate rerelease or the print then it's still an utter liberty

Stowe nothing to feel proud of here, you've just got a load of idiots who don't understand the art market to waste 8k on something that'll end up on ebay for a couple of grand when they realise it wasn't an official release or even authorised

Clown playing Robin Hood springs to mind 

[7star]

Posters would be fine, they don't cost 8k and therefore no one will lose more than 20 quid max but when you start charging 8k for something that isn't authorised or an official release, people are going to lose a lot more by maybe thinking it's official

It's a utter p take

[FЯ]

Dec 14, 2021 13:36:15 GMT 1 7star said:

Posters would be fine, they don't cost 8k and therefore no one will lose more than 20 quid max but when you start charging 8k for something that isn't authorised or an official release, people are going to lose a lot more by maybe thinking it's official

It's a utter p take

so people just care about the price? dont buy it then.
If its for charity charge more - 10 people with the money will buy it.

[buffin]

Dec 14, 2021 13:24:38 GMT 1 irl1 said:

Dec 14, 2021 1:45:09 GMT 1 Fairxat said:

Authorized by who?
On this thread someone posted pest controls response that the re-releases of the clown image was not authorized, just around in circles.

Hi xxxxxxx.



There is no agreement in place for these images to be reproduced or sold.



Many thanks



Pest Control Office



[e-mail]

So it’s probably safe to assume that the COA won’t be a Pest Control one. Wonder who gets the ARR? 🤔

[irl1]

Dec 14, 2021 13:26:11 GMT 1 FЯ said:

Dec 14, 2021 13:24:38 GMT 1 irl1 said:

Hi xxxxxxx.



There is no agreement in place for these images to be reproduced or sold.



Many thanks



Pest Control Office



[e-mail]

Depends how you want to read that. There is no agreement for anything, so they are free to use it as they wish.

This was the reply for the test decks. I asked had they permission to release the remainder of the test decks even though they had not released all 100 decks in 2000

[irl1]

Dec 14, 2021 13:39:13 GMT 1 FЯ said:

Dec 14, 2021 13:36:15 GMT 1 7star said:

Posters would be fine, they don't cost 8k and therefore no one will lose more than 20 quid max but when you start charging 8k for something that isn't authorised or an official release, people are going to lose a lot more by maybe thinking it's official

It's a utter p take

so people just care about the price? dont buy it then.
If its for charity charge more - 10 people with the money will buy it.

Bet it's a very small % for Charity

[irl1]

Dec 14, 2021 11:42:58 GMT 1 buffin said:

Have Clown made any statement about the use of their business logo?

mailchi.mp/clownskateboards.com/doing-this-together?e=b4cfb9eb5d

[buffin]

Dec 14, 2021 13:39:13 GMT 1 FЯ said:

Dec 14, 2021 13:36:15 GMT 1 7star said:

Posters would be fine, they don't cost 8k and therefore no one will lose more than 20 quid max but when you start charging 8k for something that isn't authorised or an official release, people are going to lose a lot more by maybe thinking it's official

It's a utter p take

so people just care about the price? dont buy it then.
If its for charity charge more - 10 people with the money will buy it.

People care about those without the money who might put themselves in debt to purchase.

Do you know if it’s all the profit or all the proceeds to charity?

[FЯ]

if you don't have the money, then don't spend £8k on skateboards
thats not for you to decide, people are adults. Nowhere does it say its a banksy print.


i am nothing to do with clown nor own any clown stuff, but i dont get the (what is essentially) hounding out of malice. Its christmas soon, give it a rest. this years been annoying enough in reality without reading it as well.


No one was bothered when mason storm was selling banksy work.
you cant have double standards like this just because you cant afford to buy it or resell it.

[7star]

Haha I've got the cash trust me but the difference is between me and maybe someone else

I know the difference between something official and worth collecting and something that's worthless

Nothing about money or having or not having it but protecting people from wasting 8k

It's 100% not an issue if someone spends it knowing they won't get their money back but you can't guarantee everyone will know that

[7star]

FR

More than happy to show you around my collection while enjoying a martini each but I think this forum is better than showing off or flexing?

[Lunch Special]

Dec 14, 2021 14:00:09 GMT 1 FЯ said:

if you don't have the money, then don't spend £8k on skateboards
thats not for you to decide, people are adults. Nowhere does it say its a banksy print.


i am nothing to do with clown nor own any clown stuff, but i dont get the (what is essentially) hounding out of malice. Its christmas soon, give it a rest. this years been annoying enough in reality without reading it as well.


No one was bothered when mason storm was selling banksy work.
you cant have double standards like this just because you cant afford to buy it or resell it.

WOW

Don’t Think I’ve Ever Heard A Truer Statement.

Don’t forget wcp not banksy jaybomo or something like that steve laz
(uh yea) pinkdaisy vermin jameson robinson the dude that did the truck peter or paul something. The countless artists associated with Banksy from dismaland exit through the gift shop Santa’s ghetto etc.Lets not forget many of you thought robert Del nada wa s Banksy. You also thought 5G created covid. So………

I think It’s about that time to pass the egg-nog yo

Happy Holidays. 🎅

[7star]

None of Masons stuff is near 8k neither is Jameson’s who is a great fella

Also presuming this is about someone not being able to afford it is ridiculous, a lot of people on here can but know better than to go ahead and waste the money on junk with no future value

[Fairxat]

Nov 17, 2021 18:27:10 GMT 1 treblenobass said:

Nov 17, 2021 18:20:20 GMT 1 overend said:

Treblenobrains has lost the plot 🤦‍♂️

BELIEVE what you want dude I was speaking to him last night about where Clown Skateboards is heading & how well it’s doing for him & the team 🛹💥

This guy it seems was speaking with Banksy last month, maybe he can set the record straight?

[iamzero]

For what it’s worth this is the response I had when I sent a message to PC asking for their position on the previous skateboard release. What I find strange is the high pricing compared to other authorised items other than that I quite like the decks.

There is no agreement in place for these images to be reproduced or sold, they aren't eligible for authentication of any sort.

Many thanks

Pest Control Office

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Dec 14, 2021 18:11:29 GMT 1 iamzero said:

For what it’s worth this is the response I had when I sent a message to PC asking for their position on the previous skateboard release. What I find strange is the high pricing compared to other authorised items other than that I quite like the decks.

There is no agreement in place for these images to be reproduced or sold, they aren't eligible for authentication of any sort.

Many thanks

Pest Control Office

So what do we have?

we have a pic of something banksy did 20 odd years back that he has distanced himself from.

Another business has 'sort of' permission to use. Marchant at Stowe has decided he would like a wicked holiday somewhere hot away from it all and he would like 12 people to pay for it for him.


For this to happen, He spins it as A/ Banksy B/small run, limited availability C/ Expensive (only the lucky few can own it

Costs for this would be approx £300 for the 3 decks, and say £200 for the print. so £500 all in, sell at £8k gives around £90k profit for the special edition

Potential resale would be around £2k, so all the lucky buyers get to contribute quite a chunk of their after tax Money to Steve

I guess Clown will get a cut of this too, so seems only fair we help him out and buy it

[mrizzle]

Dec 14, 2021 18:11:29 GMT 1 iamzero said:

For what it’s worth this is the response I had when I sent a message to PC asking for their position on the previous skateboard release. What I find strange is the high pricing compared to other authorised items other than that I quite like the decks.

There is no agreement in place for these images to be reproduced or sold, they aren't eligible for authentication of any sort.

Many thanks

Pest Control Office

Or indeed if the primary motivation for releasing them is to maximise the money being raised for the chosen (no doubt worthy) cause then why not reduce the pricing and substantially increase the edition size. I do think that the price of this release is what has raised a lot of eyebrows (including my own) and, though there will likely always be two schools of thought on the use of the image, I think they’d sell these by the truckload if the edition size (and price) was better judged.

[Fairxat]

Dec 14, 2021 13:57:47 GMT 1 buffin said:

Dec 14, 2021 13:39:13 GMT 1 FЯ said:

so people just care about the price? dont buy it then.
If its for charity charge more - 10 people with the money will buy it.

People care about those without the money who might put themselves in debt to purchase.

Do you know if it’s all the profit or all the proceeds to charity?

A lot of people take out loans to purchase art, on the hope that their purchase will rise in value, a few people here used to discuss such methods 6-8years ago.
The second bitcoin rise, a few people remortgaged their homes to purchase bitcoins and subsequently lost their homes.
A lot of people are drawn to these markets to specifically make money and get caught up in the hype, look at the Banksy t shirts for example. You also have a few people that invest early in these scams and hype targeted to the unknowledgeable, I.e blok
If they truly wanted to raise as much money for charity an open edition for month would of worked well at a sensible price

[Fairxat]

Dec 14, 2021 18:22:10 GMT 1 @runt said:

Dec 14, 2021 18:11:29 GMT 1 iamzero said:

For what it’s worth this is the response I had when I sent a message to PC asking for their position on the previous skateboard release. What I find strange is the high pricing compared to other authorised items other than that I quite like the decks.

There is no agreement in place for these images to be reproduced or sold, they aren't eligible for authentication of any sort.

Many thanks

Pest Control Office

So what do we have?

we have a pic of something banksy did 20 odd years back that he has distanced himself from.

Another business has 'sort of' permission to use. Marchant at Stowe has decided he would like a wicked holiday somewhere hot away from it all and he would like 12 people to pay for it for him.


For this to happen, He spins it as A/ Banksy B/small run, limited availability C/ Expensive (only the lucky few can own it

Costs for this would be approx £300 for the 3 decks, and say £200 for the print. so £500 all in, sell at £8k gives around £90k profit for the special edition

Potential resale would be around £2k, so all the lucky buyers get to contribute quite a chunk of their after tax Money to Steve

I guess Clown will get a cut of this too, so seems only fair we help him out and buy it

😹

[Lunch Special]

Dec 11, 2021 17:03:19 GMT 1 benz said:

If anyone is interested, I've got an unopened box of the test press series set available (3 decks). Not sure what these are worth but I am open to offers.

Where you located

[startimeash]

Dec 14, 2021 18:26:59 GMT 1 mrizzle said:

Dec 14, 2021 18:11:29 GMT 1 iamzero said:

For what it’s worth this is the response I had when I sent a message to PC asking for their position on the previous skateboard release. What I find strange is the high pricing compared to other authorised items other than that I quite like the decks.

There is no agreement in place for these images to be reproduced or sold, they aren't eligible for authentication of any sort.

Many thanks

Pest Control Office

Or indeed if the primary motivation for releasing them is to maximise the money being raised for the chosen (no doubt worthy cause) then why not reduce the pricing and substantially increase the edition size. I do think that the price of this release is what has raised a lot of eyebrows (including my own) and, though there will likely always be two schools of thought on the use of the image, I think they’d sell these by the truckload if the edition size (and price) have was better judged.

This! I don't think that if this had been an open edition at £50 that anyone would've raised much of an eyebrow, other than to mention WCP and Mason Storm in passing and call it unauthorized. For £50 if you like it, it's a decent shout. But EIGHT GRAND?!?! C'mon...

[amz]

Dec 14, 2021 19:00:15 GMT 1 Fairxat said:

Dec 14, 2021 13:57:47 GMT 1 buffin said:

People care about those without the money who might put themselves in debt to purchase.

Do you know if it’s all the profit or all the proceeds to charity?

A lot of people take out loans to purchase art, on the hope that their purchase will rise in value, a few people here used to discuss such methods 6-8years ago.
The second bitcoin rise, a few people remortgaged their homes to purchase bitcoins and subsequently lost their homes.
A lot of people are drawn to these markets to specifically make money and get caught up in the hype, look at the Banksy t shirts for example. You also have a few people that invest early in these scams and hype targeted to the unknowledgeable, I.e blok
If they truly wanted to raise as much money for charity an open edition for month would of worked well at a sensible price

Loans for personal art?

[JW]

Dec 14, 2021 20:16:11 GMT 1 amz said:

Dec 14, 2021 19:00:15 GMT 1 Fairxat said:

A lot of people take out loans to purchase art, on the hope that their purchase will rise in value, a few people here used to discuss such methods 6-8years ago.
The second bitcoin rise, a few people remortgaged their homes to purchase bitcoins and subsequently lost their homes.
A lot of people are drawn to these markets to specifically make money and get caught up in the hype, look at the Banksy t shirts for example. You also have a few people that invest early in these scams and hype targeted to the unknowledgeable, I.e blok
If they truly wanted to raise as much money for charity an open edition for month would of worked well at a sensible price

Loans for personal art?

Yes. There are even schemes such as Own Art that provide 0% financing up to £25k in some cases for people in the UK.

[7star]

Still think Clown should comment and Stowe have gone quiet?

[Stowe Gallery]

Dec 14, 2021 22:00:26 GMT 1 7star said:

Still think Clown should comment and Stowe have gone quiet?

Please email us or call us on 020 3489 4836 if you have any questions.

[7star]

I think answering questions here is better for transparency no?

1. Do you think you should maybe state the prints aren't an official release or even authorised by the artist or are you happy or even relying on buyers to be misled and think its an official release in order to sell them?
2. Do you think it's fair to presume the artists consent to make prints of his work without permission?

[Fairxat]

The first release of these decks many thought these were an official Banksy release by the constant hype from one individual here, and the promised thousands these would make once these hit auctions.15-20k quoted at the time.
I actually reached out at the time and offered a considerable sum if a print would be released and mentioned that an edition would be highly popular here, firmly told no prints would ever be produced. Everyone gets caught up in the moment, the way they were marketed here, it seemed a genuine Banksy colab. Just a money grab and many will be left out of pocket. Multiple people here received emails from pest control stating these were not permitted to be released or authorized by the artist.if the gallery wants any longevity in the market, this release will kill all hopes of achieving this, with the way this is released

[7star]

Yo Stowe .... questions are ready when you are

Also regarding longevity Fairxat ..... Stowe are already a laughing stock with anyone who knows anything in the slightest about art in general and his market