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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Jul 20, 2024 3:36:41 GMT 1, ๐ฏ I didn't realise they have fallen so much. Would love a little canvas painting one day.
๐ฏ I didn't realise they have fallen so much. Would love a little canvas painting one day.
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by Art Attackkk on Jul 20, 2024 3:45:17 GMT 1, His latest works for sale at the Phillipsโ exhibition next week in New York are for sale @ $25k for 150 x 150 cm canvases and $18k for 120 x 120 cm.
I think noir is an odd one as heโs clearly supported by the big 3 auction houses, as all have had large exhibitions with him, but his market does seem to have fallen a lot in value.
Any ideas why?
I genuinely believe long term his works will have some decent value. He obviously has a base of collectors that will buy his work and he has the back story of painting the Berlin Wall and his style reaches the urban and contemporary market. I think he pisses collectors off however, as he has continually stated he wonโt ever produce any more prints, so collectors buy in, or hold what theyโve had for years, assuming the prints they own maybe increase in value due to this scarcity, but then he changes his mind when Phillipsโ $ cash cow comes rearing and he then produces another 500+ prints with Phillips, effectively devaluing the existing market for his prints.
Iโm guessing the market is greater in the US hence this latest exhibition in NYC instead of London. This then puts off buyers in Europe and other continents, as the cost of shipping and import taxes just adds to the expense. Apparently he is due another show in Hong Kong and Tokyo soon too, so there is clearly a market for his works despite the rather divisive thoughts and comment on here ๐
His latest works for sale at the Phillipsโ exhibition next week in New York are for sale @ $25k for 150 x 150 cm canvases and $18k for 120 x 120 cm.
I think noir is an odd one as heโs clearly supported by the big 3 auction houses, as all have had large exhibitions with him, but his market does seem to have fallen a lot in value.
Any ideas why?
I genuinely believe long term his works will have some decent value. He obviously has a base of collectors that will buy his work and he has the back story of painting the Berlin Wall and his style reaches the urban and contemporary market. I think he pisses collectors off however, as he has continually stated he wonโt ever produce any more prints, so collectors buy in, or hold what theyโve had for years, assuming the prints they own maybe increase in value due to this scarcity, but then he changes his mind when Phillipsโ $ cash cow comes rearing and he then produces another 500+ prints with Phillips, effectively devaluing the existing market for his prints.
Iโm guessing the market is greater in the US hence this latest exhibition in NYC instead of London. This then puts off buyers in Europe and other continents, as the cost of shipping and import taxes just adds to the expense. Apparently he is due another show in Hong Kong and Tokyo soon too, so there is clearly a market for his works despite the rather divisive thoughts and comment on here ๐
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by LJCal on Jul 20, 2024 3:53:24 GMT 1, His latest works for sale at the Phillipsโ exhibition next week in New York are for sale @ $25k for 150 x 150 cm canvases and $18k for 120 x 120 cm. I think noir is an odd one as heโs clearly supported by the big 3 auction houses, as all have had large exhibitions with him, but his market does seem to have fallen a lot in value. Any ideas why? I genuinely believe long term his works will have some decent value. He obviously has a base of collectors that will buy his work and he has the back story of painting the Berlin Wall and his style reaches the urban and contemporary market. I think he pisses collectors off however, as he has continually stated he wonโt ever produce any more prints, so collectors buy in, or hold what theyโve had for years, assuming the prints they own maybe increase in value due to this scarcity, but then he changes his mind when Phillipsโ $ cash cow comes rearing and he then produces another 500+ prints with Phillips, effectively devaluing the existing market for his prints. Iโm guessing the market is greater in the US hence this latest exhibition in NYC instead of London. This then puts off buyers in Europe and other continents, as the cost of shipping and import taxes just adds to the expense. Apparently he is due another show in Hong Kong and Tokyo soon too, so there is clearly a market for his works despite the rather divisive thoughts and comment on here ๐
His latest works for sale at the Phillipsโ exhibition next week in New York are for sale @ $25k for 150 x 150 cm canvases and $18k for 120 x 120 cm. I think noir is an odd one as heโs clearly supported by the big 3 auction houses, as all have had large exhibitions with him, but his market does seem to have fallen a lot in value. Any ideas why? I genuinely believe long term his works will have some decent value. He obviously has a base of collectors that will buy his work and he has the back story of painting the Berlin Wall and his style reaches the urban and contemporary market. I think he pisses collectors off however, as he has continually stated he wonโt ever produce any more prints, so collectors buy in, or hold what theyโve had for years, assuming the prints they own maybe increase in value due to this scarcity, but then he changes his mind when Phillipsโ $ cash cow comes rearing and he then produces another 500+ prints with Phillips, effectively devaluing the existing market for his prints. Iโm guessing the market is greater in the US hence this latest exhibition in NYC instead of London. This then puts off buyers in Europe and other continents, as the cost of shipping and import taxes just adds to the expense. Apparently he is due another show in Hong Kong and Tokyo soon too, so there is clearly a market for his works despite the rather divisive thoughts and comment on here ๐ It's called a pump and dump. He's been dumped. He ain't ever coming back, you don't burn this many people with 85% falls in value and recover. His work has no depth nor does his rapidly shrinking collector base. |
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by LJCal on Jul 20, 2024 3:56:10 GMT 1, Now now old sport. Seditious talk in these parts chap with the lacklustre rabble known only as the Salty Noir Bears out on parade today. Noir's future is secure chap. Bears don't like it but he's backed by the three big boys old sport. Long Noir. It is best just to let history happen no need to make predictions one way or another. Bears and Bulls mean nothing. The only reality is what history will tell and it will most likely be after our lifetime if you look at comparable examples. Anything pro or con in the mean time is just wasted speculation.
Now now old sport. Seditious talk in these parts chap with the lacklustre rabble known only as the Salty Noir Bears out on parade today. Noir's future is secure chap. Bears don't like it but he's backed by the three big boys old sport. Long Noir. It is best just to let history happen no need to make predictions one way or another. Bears and Bulls mean nothing. The only reality is what history will tell and it will most likely be after our lifetime if you look at comparable examples. Anything pro or con in the mean time is just wasted speculation. Why does anyone care about what happens after they die? You really don't need that kind of long view here, there are thousands of precedents of so called 'hot/hyped' artists fading into complete obscurity. |
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by Tobi187 on Jul 20, 2024 4:59:37 GMT 1, I'm happy that I sold most of my Thierry Noir stuff already. I still like his art, but his team made me ignore everything TN-related.
I remember when I bought a few really old originals online in Germany. I asked him via Instagram if these pieces were authentic just after I clicked the buy button. He asked me where they were for sale, and stupid me sent him the link. A few minutes later, the sale was canceled, and I received a refund. I reached out to Thierry, and the person who handled his IG replied, "They belong in a museum." Same line Indiana Jones says in his movies...
He lost a collector and supporter in me, and when I posted about this experience on this forum, at least three other users mentioned a similar experience.
I'm happy that I sold most of my Thierry Noir stuff already. I still like his art, but his team made me ignore everything TN-related.
I remember when I bought a few really old originals online in Germany. I asked him via Instagram if these pieces were authentic just after I clicked the buy button. He asked me where they were for sale, and stupid me sent him the link. A few minutes later, the sale was canceled, and I received a refund. I reached out to Thierry, and the person who handled his IG replied, "They belong in a museum." Same line Indiana Jones says in his movies...
He lost a collector and supporter in me, and when I posted about this experience on this forum, at least three other users mentioned a similar experience.
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by Art Attackkk on Jul 20, 2024 5:35:08 GMT 1, I agree with this 100%. Iโve had the TN studio ask me not to sell at the lower end auction houses and eBay et al and directing me to sell and buy at the 3 big auction houses. I am also aware that the studio have contacted galleries about them selling pieces too in a rather controlling way. It ends up winding people up the wrong way and then collectors end up โdumpingโ their works. I donโt think the crash in value of these works is due to pump and dump as itโs usually very obvious itโs happening and I have usually found that it is newer artists that galleries/investors are pumping and not artists with a known history of painting over many years. Probably more of a hype where a few pieces start to sell for big bucks and people create the market for more and more sales until things start to cool off. Iโm sure with the support of the large auction houses his market will continue to grow. Iโm guessing they make a fair percentage out of these sales but wouldnโt take the time, expense and do all the marketing etc if they didnโt think these were going to sell. The exhibition in NY is for over 2 weeks, so they clearly have a lot invested in this. So my conclusion is maybe a certain amount of pump and dump, a lot of hype and subsequent cooling off and a lot of people being wound up! Long term I think heโs one to keep, especially the older pieces and prints, as I think from 2020 onwards he was knocking out these paintings left right and centre.
I agree with this 100%. Iโve had the TN studio ask me not to sell at the lower end auction houses and eBay et al and directing me to sell and buy at the 3 big auction houses. I am also aware that the studio have contacted galleries about them selling pieces too in a rather controlling way. It ends up winding people up the wrong way and then collectors end up โdumpingโ their works. I donโt think the crash in value of these works is due to pump and dump as itโs usually very obvious itโs happening and I have usually found that it is newer artists that galleries/investors are pumping and not artists with a known history of painting over many years. Probably more of a hype where a few pieces start to sell for big bucks and people create the market for more and more sales until things start to cool off. Iโm sure with the support of the large auction houses his market will continue to grow. Iโm guessing they make a fair percentage out of these sales but wouldnโt take the time, expense and do all the marketing etc if they didnโt think these were going to sell. The exhibition in NY is for over 2 weeks, so they clearly have a lot invested in this. So my conclusion is maybe a certain amount of pump and dump, a lot of hype and subsequent cooling off and a lot of people being wound up! Long term I think heโs one to keep, especially the older pieces and prints, as I think from 2020 onwards he was knocking out these paintings left right and centre.
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by Dahmer on Jul 20, 2024 13:19:42 GMT 1, Just saw the info about the new prints, think i prefer the woodcuts over the screenprints, think theyre pretty cute if a little expensive.
Just saw the info about the new prints, think i prefer the woodcuts over the screenprints, think theyre pretty cute if a little expensive.
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by Dahmer on Jul 20, 2024 13:28:17 GMT 1, $5000 for 4 small woodcuts or $1800 for 1 large screenprint...
$5000 for 4 small woodcuts or $1800 for 1 large screenprint...
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by Humble Art Collector on Jul 20, 2024 23:17:11 GMT 1, It is best just to let history happen no need to make predictions one way or another. Bears and Bulls mean nothing. The only reality is what history will tell and it will most likely be after our lifetime if you look at comparable examples. Anything pro or con in the mean time is just wasted speculation. Why does anyone care about what happens after they die? You really don't need that kind of long view here, there are thousands of precedents of so called 'hot/hyped' artists fading into complete obscurity.
It is best just to let history happen no need to make predictions one way or another. Bears and Bulls mean nothing. The only reality is what history will tell and it will most likely be after our lifetime if you look at comparable examples. Anything pro or con in the mean time is just wasted speculation. Why does anyone care about what happens after they die? You really don't need that kind of long view here, there are thousands of precedents of so called 'hot/hyped' artists fading into complete obscurity. Totally agree I was just saying any real long term value of art takes generations... You are totally correct there are many people that fade never to recover but there are also a ton who rise much later, they were known but under appreciated or ahead of their time. I was just saying speculation is more a hype and not based on much long term data. True value seems to take time and is much more discerning on who makes the historical cut. Few of us know who that will be I know I sure do not... and I think most artists and their teams do not know either they are too close to the work... For what it is worth I do not see Thierry as burning his collectors he is running a business and selling art which is fair and what he should be doing. |
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by Wendero on Jul 21, 2024 8:22:45 GMT 1, I wonder if people are talking about of his art style that donโt likes , and this is a reason of person taste or are talking about of people that are loosing tons of money due the dump of his market .
if the second one , collectors loosed lot of money also with other artists , Banksy too but no one says nothing..
Buy what you like!
I wonder if people are talking about of his art style that donโt likes , and this is a reason of person taste or are talking about of people that are loosing tons of money due the dump of his market .
if the second one , collectors loosed lot of money also with other artists , Banksy too but no one says nothing..
Buy what you like!
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by lollo88 on Jul 25, 2024 16:30:55 GMT 1, Prints dropped
Prints dropped
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by Poster Bob on Jul 25, 2024 17:09:24 GMT 1, And forgotten about
And forgotten about
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by Lroy on Jul 25, 2024 17:45:18 GMT 1, Nice works yes. But honestly selling those 1800 $ to see always the same thing, I say ยซ No ยป
Thierry Noir is a bit old ( without criticizing this ), I mean he never makes or tries to make new artworks, itโs always the same things and the man is a bit living on his notoriety, his collab with Stik, and the streetart market.
I have nothing against him of course, but when I got the mail, I already thought about this easy life. Is there are still someone on here looking for a new Thierry Noir ?
i prefer Stik and his actions, from far ! ( and without making quick comparisons)
Nice works yes. But honestly selling those 1800 $ to see always the same thing, I say ยซ No ยป Thierry Noir is a bit old ( without criticizing this ), I mean he never makes or tries to make new artworks, itโs always the same things and the man is a bit living on his notoriety, his collab with Stik, and the streetart market. I have nothing against him of course, but when I got the mail, I already thought about this easy life. Is there are still someone on here looking for a new Thierry Noir ? i prefer Stik and his actions, from far ! ( and without making quick comparisons) |
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by Fluffy Pillow on Jul 25, 2024 19:21:39 GMT 1, I won't be going to NYC however if the Gold show represents all ~50 sporting competitions at the Paris Olympics it could be entertaining, and I hope to see some shared photos. Maybe he's a large supporter or this is completely a timed cash grab. The production of Trampoline is questionable. The selection of prints are steep and judging by the availability will be sourced easily if in need. With that said, if I were looking, I would still rather have a head that resembles the works on the wall in Berlin.
I won't be going to NYC however if the Gold show represents all ~50 sporting competitions at the Paris Olympics it could be entertaining, and I hope to see some shared photos. Maybe he's a large supporter or this is completely a timed cash grab. The production of Trampoline is questionable. The selection of prints are steep and judging by the availability will be sourced easily if in need. With that said, if I were looking, I would still rather have a head that resembles the works on the wall in Berlin.
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by Jimini Cricket on Jul 25, 2024 23:01:21 GMT 1, Now now old sports
Timestamp on current sales.
All prints still available.
9 paintings sold.
Phillips fudding the grift.
$1m preprogrammed. Must be Hong Kong dollars.๐คท๐ฟโโ๏ธ
Hear hear
Now now old sports
Timestamp on current sales.
All prints still available.
9 paintings sold.
Phillips fudding the grift.
$1m preprogrammed. Must be Hong Kong dollars.๐คท๐ฟโโ๏ธ
Hear hear
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by Pafori on Jul 26, 2024 1:56:53 GMT 1, Totally agree I was just saying any real long term value of art takes generations... You are totally correct there are many people that fade never to recover but there are also a ton who rise much later, they were known but under appreciated or ahead of their time. I was just saying speculation is more a hype and not based on much long term data. True value seems to take time and is much more discerning on who makes the historical cut. Few of us know who that will be I know I sure do not... and I think most artists and their teams do not know either they are too close to the work... For what it is worth I do not see Thierry as burning his collectors he is running a business and selling art which is fair and what he should be doing. Long Noir. New York and Hong Kong chap. The rest history old sport.
Why do you continue to persist with your Henners/glcork Noir bear commentary? It's un-Noir like and only serves to undermine the work and legacy of a good dude.
Please stop for Thierry's sake and for those who care about him and his art. I've held off saying anything for a while and won't reply further. I hope you can find the inner will and wisdom for a hard stop. Thank you.
Totally agree I was just saying any real long term value of art takes generations... You are totally correct there are many people that fade never to recover but there are also a ton who rise much later, they were known but under appreciated or ahead of their time. I was just saying speculation is more a hype and not based on much long term data. True value seems to take time and is much more discerning on who makes the historical cut. Few of us know who that will be I know I sure do not... and I think most artists and their teams do not know either they are too close to the work... For what it is worth I do not see Thierry as burning his collectors he is running a business and selling art which is fair and what he should be doing. Long Noir. New York and Hong Kong chap. The rest history old sport. Thierry is a lovely man who loves to draw and paint. He's created enormous goodwill through his art, his kindness and the rebellion of painting an unjust wall (aren't they all?) for 20+ years. Why do you continue to persist with your Henners/glcork Noir bear commentary? It's un-Noir like and only serves to undermine the work and legacy of a good dude. Please stop for Thierry's sake and for those who care about him and his art. I've held off saying anything for a while and won't reply further. I hope you can find the inner will and wisdom for a hard stop. Thank you. |
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by drbf on Jul 26, 2024 2:28:06 GMT 1, Just back from the Noir show at Phillips in NYC. The pieces on canvas are very nice with bright, vivid colors. The large canvases are around 25K, smaller ones around 18K. The smaller round canvases are 8K. The prints are nice but beside these beautiful canvases appear lost. If in the city one should visit the show!
Just back from the Noir show at Phillips in NYC. The pieces on canvas are very nice with bright, vivid colors. The large canvases are around 25K, smaller ones around 18K. The smaller round canvases are 8K. The prints are nice but beside these beautiful canvases appear lost. If in the city one should visit the show!
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by Jimini Cricket on Jul 26, 2024 6:35:17 GMT 1, Noir bull fucks around, noir bull finds out
Hear hear
Noir bull fucks around, noir bull finds out
Hear hear
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by lollo88 on Jul 26, 2024 10:36:01 GMT 1, Long Noir. New York and Hong Kong chap. The rest history old sport. Thierry is a lovely man who loves to draw and paint. He's created enormous goodwill through his art, his kindness and the rebellion of painting an unjust wall (aren't they all?) for 20+ years. Why do you continue to persist with your Henners/glcork Noir bear commentary? It's un-Noir like and only serves to undermine the work and legacy of a good dude. Please stop for Thierry's sake and for those who care about him and his art. I've held off saying anything for a while and won't reply further. I hope you can find the inner will and wisdom for a hard stop. Thank you.
Greed man, very tough beast.
Long Noir. New York and Hong Kong chap. The rest history old sport. Thierry is a lovely man who loves to draw and paint. He's created enormous goodwill through his art, his kindness and the rebellion of painting an unjust wall (aren't they all?) for 20+ years. Why do you continue to persist with your Henners/glcork Noir bear commentary? It's un-Noir like and only serves to undermine the work and legacy of a good dude. Please stop for Thierry's sake and for those who care about him and his art. I've held off saying anything for a while and won't reply further. I hope you can find the inner will and wisdom for a hard stop. Thank you. I'm sorry to ruin this beautiful portait of Saint Thierry you have made, but I must tell you that I have been chased and threatened by Thierry's staff ever since I threw out there the possibility of selling one of his pieces. They chase you down to the last f*ยฐรนking penny over re-sale. Greed man, very tough beast. |
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by zoomrider on Jul 26, 2024 11:27:54 GMT 1, Greed man, very tough beast.
What was the nature of the chasing if I may ask? ARR payment? Price?
Greed man, very tough beast. What was the nature of the chasing if I may ask? ARR payment? Price? |
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by The Italian One on Jul 26, 2024 15:20:05 GMT 1, all still available...
hear hear
Henner what's happening to the 1m preprogrammed?
LOL
more facts less words old sport
all still available...
hear hear
Henner what's happening to the 1m preprogrammed?
LOL
more facts less words old sport
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by lollo88 on Jul 29, 2024 9:11:45 GMT 1, Greed man, very tough beast. What was the nature of the chasing if I may ask? ARR payment? Price?
Greed man, very tough beast. What was the nature of the chasing if I may ask? ARR payment? Price? They delicately implied that all resales had to go through them, or else |
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by Jimini Cricket on Jul 29, 2024 9:55:53 GMT 1, What was the nature of the chasing if I may ask? ARR payment? Price? They delicately implied that all resales had to go through them, or else
What was the nature of the chasing if I may ask? ARR payment? Price? They delicately implied that all resales had to go through them, or else Did they begin their email with, 'Now now old sport...'? |
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by Wanchope on Jul 30, 2024 13:27:14 GMT 1, Well that was a slow sell out and only 25 of each, not a good sign
Well that was a slow sell out and only 25 of each, not a good sign
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by Someone Like You on Jul 30, 2024 13:30:26 GMT 1, Yesterday all available today all sold out, impossible
Yesterday all available today all sold out, impossible
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Thierry Noir ๐จ๐ต Berlin Wall โข French Street Arist , by King and a Duck on Jul 30, 2024 13:33:24 GMT 1, Yesterday all available today all sold out, impossible
๐ fishy.
Yesterday all available today all sold out, impossible ๐ fishy. |
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