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It's actually disappointment. I don't have anything to be bitter about actually mate. beyond anything I'm not even a street artist, but John Fekner is and should have been in that book! He is probably the most important artist in the entire 'street art' movement... yet oft forgotten and even unknown to many people who know nothing more than how to flip a print. And having a quarter of the 100 as galleries who'd only been operating for a couple of years and auction houses, quite frankly is sad and probably led by people protecting their investments over actually progressing a scene.
Don't confuse bitterness with disappointment.
I wonder if you have an inkling of the blood sweat and tears, let alone abject frustration that went into attempting to catalogue a snapshot of the 'scene' as it was.
Maybe you should get your notebook out and start making a better attempt if you think that wasn't good enough for you. You sure sound as if you have a few ideas to improve upon what's already out there.
Or do you not have the stomach to see through such a massive and frustrating undertaking?
It's actually disappointment. I don't have anything to be bitter about actually mate. beyond anything I'm not even a street artist, but John Fekner is and should have been in that book! He is probably the most important artist in the entire 'street art' movement... yet oft forgotten and even unknown to many people who know nothing more than how to flip a print. And having a quarter of the 100 as galleries who'd only been operating for a couple of years and auction houses, quite frankly is sad and probably led by people protecting their investments over actually progressing a scene.
Don't confuse bitterness with disappointment.
I wonder if you have an inkling of the blood sweat and tears, let alone abject frustration that went into attempting to catalogue a snapshot of the 'scene' as it was.
Maybe you should get your notebook out and start making a better attempt if you think that wasn't good enough for you. You sure sound as if you have a few ideas to improve upon what's already out there.
Or do you not have the stomach to see through such a massive and frustrating undertaking?
It's actually disappointment. I don't have anything to be bitter about actually mate. beyond anything I'm not even a street artist, but John Fekner is and should have been in that book! He is probably the most important artist in the entire 'street art' movement... yet oft forgotten and even unknown to many people who know nothing more than how to flip a print. And having a quarter of the 100 as galleries who'd only been operating for a couple of years and auction houses, quite frankly is sad and probably led by people protecting their investments over actually progressing a scene.
Don't confuse bitterness with disappointment.
Thanks for mentioning John Fekner, after looking him up I am very interested in seeing more.
Remind you of anyone?
and also (though a different concept, the message is very similar)
It's actually disappointment. I don't have anything to be bitter about actually mate. beyond anything I'm not even a street artist, but John Fekner is and should have been in that book! He is probably the most important artist in the entire 'street art' movement... yet oft forgotten and even unknown to many people who know nothing more than how to flip a print. And having a quarter of the 100 as galleries who'd only been operating for a couple of years and auction houses, quite frankly is sad and probably led by people protecting their investments over actually progressing a scene.
Don't confuse bitterness with disappointment.
Thanks for mentioning John Fekner, after looking him up I am very interested in seeing more.
Remind you of anyone?
and also (though a different concept, the message is very similar)
Recommended Art Books, by jusdeep on Dec 24, 2011 10:22:11 GMT 1, It's good that you decided to look John Fekner up, but maybe reading about him would have been more insightful. You statement should really read the other way around as Fekner's was one of the early pioneers of the 'street art' movement in the late 60's and as Remi has already pointed out (not for the first time) it's a bit of an oversight that he was missed from the book in the first place.
It's good that you decided to look John Fekner up, but maybe reading about him would have been more insightful. You statement should really read the other way around as Fekner's was one of the early pioneers of the 'street art' movement in the late 60's and as Remi has already pointed out (not for the first time) it's a bit of an oversight that he was missed from the book in the first place.
Bitterness - anger and disappointment at being treated unfairly.
Yeah think that covers it.
Shame none of these reservations were raised at the time, rather than now eh?
either you can't read properly or you just read what you want to read... It's a nice book, just inaccurate in my opinion. how that's treating me unfairly is way beyond me... its nothing to do with me. but have it as you will...
Bitterness - anger and disappointment at being treated unfairly.
Yeah think that covers it.
Shame none of these reservations were raised at the time, rather than now eh?
either you can't read properly or you just read what you want to read... It's a nice book, just inaccurate in my opinion. how that's treating me unfairly is way beyond me... its nothing to do with me. but have it as you will...
Recommended Art Books, by remirough on Dec 24, 2011 11:03:04 GMT 1, And the Space Invader is by Don Leicht! Fekner's long time collaborator and friendd, amazing guy and yes he did the Space Invader first in the 80's.
Recommended Art Books, by portfolio on Dec 24, 2011 21:59:39 GMT 1, Remi strikes me as a conspiracy theorist that sees a commercial reason lurking behind every move as obviously his every move is a sacrifice on the landscape of human nature.
It's christmas after all so I wouldn't be surprised if he was a holier than thou descandant of Christ judging by his high and mighty attitude.
Oh yes, let me add a jaunty 'happy holidays' to my post, it makes it so much more palatable.
Turkey.
Remi strikes me as a conspiracy theorist that sees a commercial reason lurking behind every move as obviously his every move is a sacrifice on the landscape of human nature.
It's christmas after all so I wouldn't be surprised if he was a holier than thou descandant of Christ judging by his high and mighty attitude.
Oh yes, let me add a jaunty 'happy holidays' to my post, it makes it so much more palatable.
Recommended Art Books, by speebe on Dec 24, 2011 22:41:47 GMT 1, I think Remi has a point, there are too many books which examine the current market trends with an obvious focus on the political motivations, artistry, technique and yes... monetary value.
Most publications do little to examine the true originators with a few notable exceptions... I for one would like to see a tome that picks up where Style Wars, Subway Art etc left off... There's a big gap for a magazine such as graphotism to join the dots.
I think Remi has a point, there are too many books which examine the current market trends with an obvious focus on the political motivations, artistry, technique and yes... monetary value.
Most publications do little to examine the true originators with a few notable exceptions... I for one would like to see a tome that picks up where Style Wars, Subway Art etc left off... There's a big gap for a magazine such as graphotism to join the dots.
Recommended Art Books, by Deleted on Dec 25, 2011 1:31:55 GMT 1, I find it a little 'bitter' to single out one particular book for criticism, which was subjective and a snapshot of a particular 'time' not something that was comprehensively the story of street / urban art.
I find it a little 'bitter' to single out one particular book for criticism, which was subjective and a snapshot of a particular 'time' not something that was comprehensively the story of street / urban art.
Recommended Art Books, by Lizz Brady on Dec 26, 2011 14:39:29 GMT 1, didnt mean to start a war!!!
Been mentioned quite a bit on here, the Trespass book. Think im going to get it. im an art student at the moment and i hardly have any money!! so i need to make the right decision
i saw someone put on the christmas presents thread that one of their new years resolutions is to spend more and not save. i think i need ot do this, stop worrying about money and buy more art books and prints!
didnt mean to start a war!!!
Been mentioned quite a bit on here, the Trespass book. Think im going to get it. im an art student at the moment and i hardly have any money!! so i need to make the right decision
i saw someone put on the christmas presents thread that one of their new years resolutions is to spend more and not save. i think i need ot do this, stop worrying about money and buy more art books and prints!
Art is our only salvation from the horror of existence!
It's actually disappointment. I don't have anything to be bitter about actually mate. beyond anything I'm not even a street artist, but John Fekner is and should have been in that book! He is probably the most important artist in the entire 'street art' movement... yet oft forgotten and even unknown to many people who know nothing more than how to flip a print. And having a quarter of the 100 as galleries who'd only been operating for a couple of years and auction houses, quite frankly is sad and probably led by people protecting their investments over actually progressing a scene.
Don't confuse bitterness with disappointment.
I wonder if you have an inkling of the blood sweat and tears, let alone abject frustration that went into attempting to catalogue a snapshot of the 'scene' as it was.
Maybe you should get your notebook out and start making a better attempt if you think that wasn't good enough for you. You sure sound as if you have a few ideas to improve upon what's already out there.
Or do you not have the stomach to see through such a massive and frustrating undertaking?
Funny you should ask, but I have a bit of an inkling into the work that goes into producing a book as I've done a couple of books myself... So in answer to your question, yes I do have the stomach to see through such a massive undertaking!
And in answer to your last post Deputy Dawg, I really wasn't 'singling out' this book for criticism, as I said I really like the book, it's beautifully printed and designed and is a chunky tome! I was merely disagreeing with Pezlow about it being the best book on a genre, as in my humble opinion. It's a small snapshot of London and New York over the past couple of years, it doesn't cover the emergence of said scene, and as I said, doesn't include Haring or Fekner, and I didn't add the strap line of 'the 100 most important people in street art!' on the cover, maybe if the book didn't have that on the cover it would be less open to these criticisms...
And there are an awful lot of galleries and auction houses in there? Don't get your knickers in such a twist, We're all entitled to opinions. And it is a lovely book, I actually have a copy right here to prove that point.
It's actually disappointment. I don't have anything to be bitter about actually mate. beyond anything I'm not even a street artist, but John Fekner is and should have been in that book! He is probably the most important artist in the entire 'street art' movement... yet oft forgotten and even unknown to many people who know nothing more than how to flip a print. And having a quarter of the 100 as galleries who'd only been operating for a couple of years and auction houses, quite frankly is sad and probably led by people protecting their investments over actually progressing a scene.
Don't confuse bitterness with disappointment.
I wonder if you have an inkling of the blood sweat and tears, let alone abject frustration that went into attempting to catalogue a snapshot of the 'scene' as it was.
Maybe you should get your notebook out and start making a better attempt if you think that wasn't good enough for you. You sure sound as if you have a few ideas to improve upon what's already out there.
Or do you not have the stomach to see through such a massive and frustrating undertaking?
Funny you should ask, but I have a bit of an inkling into the work that goes into producing a book as I've done a couple of books myself... So in answer to your question, yes I do have the stomach to see through such a massive undertaking!
And in answer to your last post Deputy Dawg, I really wasn't 'singling out' this book for criticism, as I said I really like the book, it's beautifully printed and designed and is a chunky tome! I was merely disagreeing with Pezlow about it being the best book on a genre, as in my humble opinion. It's a small snapshot of London and New York over the past couple of years, it doesn't cover the emergence of said scene, and as I said, doesn't include Haring or Fekner, and I didn't add the strap line of 'the 100 most important people in street art!' on the cover, maybe if the book didn't have that on the cover it would be less open to these criticisms...
And there are an awful lot of galleries and auction houses in there? Don't get your knickers in such a twist, We're all entitled to opinions. And it is a lovely book, I actually have a copy right here to prove that point.
I wonder if you have an inkling of the blood sweat and tears, let alone abject frustration that went into attempting to catalogue a snapshot of the 'scene' as it was.
Maybe you should get your notebook out and start making a better attempt if you think that wasn't good enough for you. You sure sound as if you have a few ideas to improve upon what's already out there.
Or do you not have the stomach to see through such a massive and frustrating undertaking?
Funny you should ask, but I have a bit of an inkling into the work that goes into producing a book as I've done a couple of books myself... So in answer to your question, yes I do have the stomach to see through such a massive undertaking!
And in answer to your last post Deputy Dawg, I really wasn't 'singling out' this book for criticism, as I said I really like the book, it's beautifully printed and designed and is a chunky tome! I was merely disagreeing with Pezlow about it being the best book on a genre, as in my humble opinion. It's a small snapshot of London and New York over the past couple of years, it doesn't cover the emergence of said scene, and as I said, doesn't include Haring or Fekner, and I didn't add the strap line of 'the 100 most important people in street art!' on the cover, maybe if the book didn't have that on the cover it would be less open to these criticisms...
And there are an awful lot of galleries and auction houses in there? Don't get your knickers in such a twist, We're all entitled to opinions. And it is a lovely book, I actually have a copy right here to prove that point.
I think it was very much a decision made by the publishers rather than the editors to have the '100 most important ...' sub heading/strap line. They're in the business of selling books and knew that would obviously create more interest/debate.
As I've stated I think Remi has a valid point... it's clearly a very difficult task taking the seed of an idea (such as this) and growing it into your intended vision when the process is so damn convoluted.
I wonder if you have an inkling of the blood sweat and tears, let alone abject frustration that went into attempting to catalogue a snapshot of the 'scene' as it was.
Maybe you should get your notebook out and start making a better attempt if you think that wasn't good enough for you. You sure sound as if you have a few ideas to improve upon what's already out there.
Or do you not have the stomach to see through such a massive and frustrating undertaking?
Funny you should ask, but I have a bit of an inkling into the work that goes into producing a book as I've done a couple of books myself... So in answer to your question, yes I do have the stomach to see through such a massive undertaking!
And in answer to your last post Deputy Dawg, I really wasn't 'singling out' this book for criticism, as I said I really like the book, it's beautifully printed and designed and is a chunky tome! I was merely disagreeing with Pezlow about it being the best book on a genre, as in my humble opinion. It's a small snapshot of London and New York over the past couple of years, it doesn't cover the emergence of said scene, and as I said, doesn't include Haring or Fekner, and I didn't add the strap line of 'the 100 most important people in street art!' on the cover, maybe if the book didn't have that on the cover it would be less open to these criticisms...
And there are an awful lot of galleries and auction houses in there? Don't get your knickers in such a twist, We're all entitled to opinions. And it is a lovely book, I actually have a copy right here to prove that point.
I think it was very much a decision made by the publishers rather than the editors to have the '100 most important ...' sub heading/strap line. They're in the business of selling books and knew that would obviously create more interest/debate.
As I've stated I think Remi has a valid point... it's clearly a very difficult task taking the seed of an idea (such as this) and growing it into your intended vision when the process is so damn convoluted.
Recommended Art Books, by hanky on Dec 27, 2011 0:30:10 GMT 1, He's also a pretty decent guy and not known to be that bitter or jealous over other people and their art or that angry, although his admin and timekeeping sucks!
He's also a pretty decent guy and not known to be that bitter or jealous over other people and their art or that angry, although his admin and timekeeping sucks!
Recommended Art Books, by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 1:05:39 GMT 1, You're not singling it out and then you are singling it out by the end of the paragraph. Sigh. Maybe if pezlows comment had said 'the best of a bunch that's not fully comprehensive on the full history of street art' this inane discussion would have finished by now ?
You're not singling it out and then you are singling it out by the end of the paragraph. Sigh. Maybe if pezlows comment had said 'the best of a bunch that's not fully comprehensive on the full history of street art' this inane discussion would have finished by now ?
Recommended Art Books, by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 1:54:55 GMT 1, As I'm sure some of you will know and some of you won't, beyond the street was undertaken by longstanding members of .info, just normal people with an extraordinary drive and passion. So I for one respect that and find it pretty extraordinary they put together such a tome. If you get the chance to flick through a copy do, for a start you'll see interviews with bast, Blu and Dolk, which ain't something you'll see everyday!
As I'm sure some of you will know and some of you won't, beyond the street was undertaken by longstanding members of .info, just normal people with an extraordinary drive and passion. So I for one respect that and find it pretty extraordinary they put together such a tome. If you get the chance to flick through a copy do, for a start you'll see interviews with bast, Blu and Dolk, which ain't something you'll see everyday!
As I'm sure some of you will know and some of you won't, beyond the street was undertaken by longstanding members of .info, just normal people with an extraordinary drive and passion. So I for one respect that and find it pretty extraordinary they put together such a tome. If you get the chance to flick through a copy do, for a start you'll see interviews with bast, Blu and Dolk, which ain't something you'll see everyday!
Indeed, a work that took them ages to put together, interviews with artists who have rarely if ever been interviewed before. Many artists featured were there at the genesis of the movement in its current form. I have great respect for Stuart and Patrick and for what they achieved. Not trying to belittle Remus books, which are very good, but it's a he'll of a lot easier to put together a monograph than it is to do what these two did.
As I'm sure some of you will know and some of you won't, beyond the street was undertaken by longstanding members of .info, just normal people with an extraordinary drive and passion. So I for one respect that and find it pretty extraordinary they put together such a tome. If you get the chance to flick through a copy do, for a start you'll see interviews with bast, Blu and Dolk, which ain't something you'll see everyday!
Indeed, a work that took them ages to put together, interviews with artists who have rarely if ever been interviewed before. Many artists featured were there at the genesis of the movement in its current form. I have great respect for Stuart and Patrick and for what they achieved. Not trying to belittle Remus books, which are very good, but it's a he'll of a lot easier to put together a monograph than it is to do what these two did.
Recommended Art Books, by hanky on Dec 28, 2011 19:22:11 GMT 1, Pez Pretty good all family together 19 of us (9 children!!) they all got small canvases and some poster paints so a whole load of art for the grandparents I got a couple of nice books Peter Blake and ai Wei Wei and a Mau Mau print on the way!! How about you?
Pez Pretty good all family together 19 of us (9 children!!) they all got small canvases and some poster paints so a whole load of art for the grandparents I got a couple of nice books Peter Blake and ai Wei Wei and a Mau Mau print on the way!! How about you?
Recommended Art Books, by pezlow on Dec 28, 2011 21:13:41 GMT 1, Quiet, spent with the in-laws. Had a rotten cold so didn't feel in the party spirit so much. Got Walls and Frames book
I got a peter blake book last year.
Quiet, spent with the in-laws. Had a rotten cold so didn't feel in the party spirit so much. Got Walls and Frames book
Recommended Art Books, by Coach on Dec 28, 2011 22:47:16 GMT 1, Bit of an art book collector.
The Upset is very good. As are the Black Market gallery books. The Garden of Eye candy is beautiful. The Blu book from Studio C is superb. Trespass is ecellent. Beyond is the best, imho.
But, then i love art books!
For Xmas I bought myself Andy warhol Giant Size - part way through it, but its scrumptious!
Bit of an art book collector.
The Upset is very good. As are the Black Market gallery books. The Garden of Eye candy is beautiful. The Blu book from Studio C is superb. Trespass is ecellent. Beyond is the best, imho.
But, then i love art books!
For Xmas I bought myself Andy warhol Giant Size - part way through it, but its scrumptious!
Good collection there coach. Two Dita Von Teese books?!?
Thanks! As for the Dita books, one was a pressent from my partner. Her IT skills are worse than mine - so she ordered it twice by mistake! Do you want the spare Pezlow? Nice book if you like Burlesque. c
Good collection there coach. Two Dita Von Teese books?!?
Thanks! As for the Dita books, one was a pressent from my partner. Her IT skills are worse than mine - so she ordered it twice by mistake! Do you want the spare Pezlow? Nice book if you like Burlesque. c
Recommended Art Books, by speebe on Dec 31, 2011 17:40:06 GMT 1, Here's my Street Art & Graffiti section... Doubles are books my wife bought and had dedicated to her... She owns almost as much artwork as me!
Although I must admit the four Banksy hardbacks are all mine, taking punts on cheap hardbacks in a bid to find a first edition... Have two now!
Here's my Street Art & Graffiti section... Doubles are books my wife bought and had dedicated to her... She owns almost as much artwork as me!
Although I must admit the four Banksy hardbacks are all mine, taking punts on cheap hardbacks in a bid to find a first edition... Have two now!
etched โข I will take that interpolation ....We can stop clutching the pearls now !!
tullyart โข yes this peice is still available - will take a reasonble offer ?
reg โข Would love to know what comes first though, the canvas or the idea. He could have waited years for a canvas like this to appear.
reg โข Think you're joining too many dots tbh. More likely a stoneage man using 21st century methods to put back the damage done by the modern custodians of the planet.
Jeezuz Jones Snr โข I created a thread called 'Art market current prices'? Can anyone see it? I can only see it when logged in. Silky deleted it?
reg โข Oh deary deary me. This poor landlord really doesn't know what they're doing do they? That frame has already compromised the image, I feel for them, in a way because everything about this has been hamfisted and delayed.
reg โข Took a long time imo. Should've been fenced off on Monday, still no perspex over the main image. Idiot landlord.
arttrooper โข Looking for older Faile prints anyone selling at good prices
tezpellet โข faile sculpture just gone into sales ! Edition of 200. :-)
da4625 โข Selling some Fin Dac prints, if anyone is interested. 1x Shinoya Celestial limited edition of 75, 1x Shinoya After Eight limited edition of 15, 1x Jijo Sepia limited edition of 2.