[pellets]

Mar 16, 2020 23:57:16 GMT 1 H.R. said:

I came across this AP of Sweet Toof’s on an old Tate auction. Oddly, it appears to be fake. Can some Sweet Toof aficionados chime in on their thoughts?

Look at Sweet Toof’s signature. Also, what is that old skool looking wax stamp on it? 🤷🏼‍♂️

www.tateward.com/auction/lot/282-Sweet-Toof--Cyclops-Collaboration-One-Million-BC-2007/?lot=1430&so=0&st=&sto=0&au=10&ef=&et=&ic=False&sd=0&pp=12&pn=24&g=1&utm_source=barnebys&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=barnebys&utm_content=2019-07-02&btm_refs=GA1.2.1376903455.1584220857#

www.prescriptionart.com/collections/sweet-toof

[pellets]

Signature matches the blue one at that link. Not sure about the wax stamp

[pellets]

Mar 17, 2020 0:04:42 GMT 1 H.R. said:

Mar 16, 2020 23:59:56 GMT 1 pellets said:

Signature matches the blue one at that link. Not sure about the wax stamp

Except for BOTH of the red versions are AP 1/5. WTF? 🤯🤯🤯

I’m not trying to be smart or anything. I literally don’t know. My gut says the Tate version is fake. But I’m not an expert like many of the folks on here.

Im by no means a toof expert, but he aint the kind of artist you’d create fakes of. His work is highly accessible and anyone who wants one can pick one up fairly easily.

He adds a lot of personal touches to pieces so the wax could easily be from him. But i have no idea.

[iamzero]

I could ask him if you can be civil for long enough dude.

[.dappy]

... they are not the same pieces ... I don't see either of them as being 'fake' ...

[pellets]

Looking at the teeth, I think the tate one maybe has more hand finishing so it may be two different sets of AP’s a “printing AP” and a “hand finished AP”.

[pellets]

Mar 17, 2020 0:39:48 GMT 1 H.R. said:

Mar 17, 2020 0:26:59 GMT 1 iamzero said:

I could ask him if you can be civil for long enough dude.

That sounds cool to me. If ur referring to my response to you asking about my art and who I buy it from, my perception was u were joining in on the troll train. If that wasn’t what u were doing, then my apologies.

I don’t take kindly to people being a dick to me because I have a different opinion. Don’t be a dick to me and I won’t be a dick to you. It’s that simple.

I’m sure most rational people can understand that. I’m here to discuss ideas, theories and art, as I’ve said before. That’s it. But, it’s not in my dna to let someone ride on and troll me or other people in my presence without stepping up. In person or in a forum. I am who I am brah

No, he means he knows Toof and can ask him. I think you and Zero need a reset on the relationship, I genuinely dont think he is trying to troll you.

[iamzero]

I’m not sure how my question could possibly been conceived as joining in on any kind of trolling? I tried to help you in being part of this somewhat dysfunctional forum like I can help you by sending ST a text message but you chose to attack me without reason. Luckily I’ve been around here long enough to not be offended easily.

[pellets]

Mar 17, 2020 1:01:34 GMT 1 H.R. said:

Mar 17, 2020 0:47:33 GMT 1 pellets said:

Looking at the teeth, I think the tate one maybe has more hand finishing so it may be two different sets of AP’s a “printing AP” and a “hand finished AP”.

That’s an interesting concept I hadn’t considered that or even heard of multiple sets of AP’s of hand painted multiples of the same print. Not on a print that has one release anyway. I know it’s common when you have further editions.

You just taught me something new.

Out of curiosity, can you think of another release that has done this off the top of your head?

No, cant think of any. You might end up with Printers Proofs and Artists Proofs, but not two sets of APs. But as someone else said, it wouldnt be a big issue to these guys to accidentally number two editions the same.

[daniel3886]

I have contacted Frankie who published these via Camp Barbosa
The piece we sold came with a coa issued by Moniker Projects as the consigner had requested a coa and Frankie was no longer issuing Camp Barbosa coa’s.

We take matters of authenticity seriously and always welcome open discussion on provenance.

Interested to hear from Sweet Tooth himself on this, hopefully it confirms what I’ve been already been told.

[Happy Shopper]

Mar 17, 2020 2:20:56 GMT 1 H.R. said:

Mar 17, 2020 1:23:19 GMT 1 pellets said:

No, cant think of any. You might end up with Printers Proofs and Artists Proofs, but not two sets of APs. But as someone else said, it wouldnt be a big issue to these guys to accidentally number two editions the same.

I was just curious. How different they seem to be is what peaks my curiosity most. The one had an impression of what appears to be by a gallery and the other has like a midevil wax stamp of approval on it. Then ST signs them differently too. It just has me puzzled.

I’m very curious to see what zero turns up when he talks to SweetToof.

Thanks for contributing, I appreciated ur input.

Despite how they look online, you can see the sizes in the descriptions are totally different, and the red layer under the black layer is positioned differently.
These are 2 different (but very similar looking) versions of the same image.

[iamzero]

I’ve sent ST the link.

[.dappy]

Mar 17, 2020 13:11:36 GMT 1 Happy Shopper said:

Mar 17, 2020 2:20:56 GMT 1 H.R. said:

I was just curious. How different they seem to be is what peaks my curiosity most. The one had an impression of what appears to be by a gallery and the other has like a midevil wax stamp of approval on it. Then ST signs them differently too. It just has me puzzled.

I’m very curious to see what zero turns up when he talks to SweetToof.

Thanks for contributing, I appreciated ur input.

Despite how they look online, you can see the sizes in the descriptions are totally different, and the red layer under the black layer is positioned differently.
These are 2 different (but very similar looking) versions of the same image.

... that's what he said

[iamzero]

Just had a message back, ST seems happy with it.

[iamzero]

Although he has just said he doesn’t remember the wax stamp thing.

[iamzero]

He thinks that the BC stamp is possibly something that Cyclops could have put on to the ones he sold.?

[kalm]

Thanks for contacting him...issue appears to be moving forward productively!

[iamzero]

Perhaps they split the edition between them to sell however they wanted?

[Lazarus II]

Mar 17, 2020 22:06:11 GMT 1 H.R. said:

Mar 17, 2020 18:40:04 GMT 1 iamzero said:

He thinks that the BC stamp is possibly something that Cyclops could have put on to the ones he sold.?

Huh, so pardon my ignorance. But does that mean cyclops used a different release shop to create them altogether? Is that why they also look different in the coloring?

Sorry for all of the newb questions.

you are the most clued up “newb” ever to appear in this forum.

[pellets]

Mar 18, 2020 8:37:27 GMT 1 Lazarus II said:

Mar 17, 2020 22:06:11 GMT 1 H.R. said:

Huh, so pardon my ignorance. But does that mean cyclops used a different release shop to create them altogether? Is that why they also look different in the coloring?

Sorry for all of the newb questions.

you are the most clued up “newb” ever to appear in this forum.

You can hardly doubt the energy he’s bringing to his new hobby though. He’s probably the member with the most new threads in 2020.

[Lazarus II]

Mar 18, 2020 10:41:18 GMT 1 pellets said:

Mar 18, 2020 8:37:27 GMT 1 Lazarus II said:

you are the most clued up “newb” ever to appear in this forum.

You can hardly doubt the energy he’s bringing to his new hobby though. He’s probably the member with the most new threads in 2020.

dunno about threads but he has the most words.