[Skizz 82]

All the */"Page" leads to PCO☺️

[ocean89]

That's pretty interesting, I think, as both pages are on different servers. So it's no bug, it's an impemented feature.

[polokino]

Nov 28, 2021 8:24:31 GMT 1 @dmatt said:

I was just browsing and found out that BBAY is registered to someone in Ontario, Canada.
Now, too much whiskey tonight to try to follow up a lead on this...

whois.domaintools.com/bbay.shop

Détermination ! 🙌🏼

[polokino]

Nov 28, 2021 8:47:26 GMT 1 @dmatt said:

Nov 28, 2021 8:31:10 GMT 1 polokino said:

Détermination ! 🙌🏼

Brillant ! 

[jnschicago]

Does anyone have any insights on BBay?  Any anticipated timeline or additional detail?

I must admit, for an artist of Banksy's prominence, I'm surprised by the number of projects/pieces that have been announced and never materialized.

Things like Glitter Gorilla are no big deal.

But Gross Domestic Product was a bit of a clusterf$%k.  Some of those products never even saw the light of day.

And BBay is a pretty big idea to "announce" and then go silent for 2+ years.

At this point, you'd think his "organization" would have enough resources and discipline to at least get their ducks in a row before going public.

Don't get me wrong...I'm still a HUGE fan.  Just surprised.

Any thoughts?

[dp]

Mar 23, 2022 0:44:15 GMT 1 jnschicago said:

Does anyone have any insights on BBay?  Any anticipated timeline or additional detail?

I must admit, for an artist of Banksy's prominence, I'm surprised by the number of projects/pieces that have been announced and never materialized.

Things like Glitter Gorilla are no big deal.

But Gross Domestic Product was a bit of a clusterf$%k.  Some of those products never even saw the light of day.

And BBay is a pretty big idea to "announce" and then go silent for 2+ years.

At this point, you'd think his "organization" would have enough resources and discipline to at least get their ducks in a row before going public.

Don't get me wrong...I'm still a HUGE fan.  Just surprised.

Any thoughts?

yes I agree, maybe it's a legal thin? Bbay might help people a lot.

[tonys]

I thought GDP and BBAY were to address the re-sell and legal issues. After Banksy lost the court case re. copyright I imagine that BBAY became a less attractive solution. Who knows...

[slevin]

I've learnt to take things with a pinch of salt, that way it's harder to be disappointed

[chefd]

Just because some of the items were never sold to the "general public", doesn't mean they haven't arrived in some VIPs collections.

[Bigal 1987]

Mar 23, 2022 13:37:04 GMT 1 tonys said:

I thought GDP and BBAY were to address the re-sell and legal issues. After Banksy lost the court case re. copyright I imagine that BBAY became a less attractive solution. Who knows...

I was under the impression that west country prints were the only place able to sell a replica of the print with people speculating that he or she is an old friend of the street artist, or even the artist himself. Is that true or is it BS?

[JAlternatión]

Mar 23, 2022 17:21:27 GMT 1 Bigal 1987 said:

Mar 23, 2022 13:37:04 GMT 1 tonys said:

I thought GDP and BBAY were to address the re-sell and legal issues. After Banksy lost the court case re. copyright I imagine that BBAY became a less attractive solution. Who knows...

I was under the impression that west country prints were the only place able to sell a replica of the print with people speculating that he or she is an old friend of the street artist, or even the artist himself. Is that true or is it BS?

It's BS

[Bigal 1987]

Mar 23, 2022 17:28:27 GMT 1 JAlternatión said:

Mar 23, 2022 17:21:27 GMT 1 Bigal 1987 said:

I was under the impression that west country prints were the only place able to sell a replica of the print with people speculating that he or she is an old friend of the street artist, or even the artist himself. Is that true or is it BS?

It's BS

Ahh ok thank you 👍🏻

[frax]

Happy April fool's day everyone!

[beaumont1974]

Mar 23, 2022 18:22:23 GMT 1 Bigal 1987 said:

Mar 23, 2022 17:28:27 GMT 1 JAlternatión said:

It's BS

Ahh ok thank you 👍🏻

When does this open? Would love to get in direct to Bansky

[Jules Leotard]

Apr 7, 2022 18:18:47 GMT 1 beaumont1974 said:

Mar 23, 2022 18:22:23 GMT 1 Bigal 1987 said:

Ahh ok thank you 👍🏻

When does this open? Would love to get in direct to Bansky

You'll have to wait on hold until a customer representative can assist you...

[sandinista]

They can't even supply a coa or change an owner let alone organise a piss up in a brewery.

Add yours below
About as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.
Chocolate teapot.
glass hammer.

[beaumont1974]

Apr 7, 2022 20:44:42 GMT 1 Jules Leotard said:

Apr 7, 2022 18:18:47 GMT 1 beaumont1974 said:

When does this open? Would love to get in direct to Bansky

You'll have to wait on hold until a customer representative can assist you...

Lolz. Don’t think there is much hope of this happening now after all this time

[kdrlly]

Banksy threatened it with BBay… never happened. Mrs Banksy beat the starting gun and did it with MBBay lol. Banksy has been quiet for so long… probably long COVID or artists block.

[Daniel Silk]

I think Banksy needs a team of reliable people to help him with his projects, people who have skills in different areas, and can guide him through what are good or bad ideas.
I think in the past with Ben, POW, Steve Lazarides and others, he was surrounded by people who could get things done, yeah yeah! It didn't always turn out so good.
I mean artists like Damien Hirst, Daniel Arsham, Parra, DFace, appear to have a whole backup team guiding the ship, and making sure it's all well organized. I think Banksy has so brilliant ideas, it's just most are not really followed through to their full conclusions.

[Daniel Silk]

3 years ago this was first announced 😆 do we all now think this will never happen?

It's a sad situation 😕 I think Banksy has totally lost control of his print market, with so many Fakes and Backdoor prints in circulation, and those who have Genuine prints seeming to have difficulty gaining COA.

I don't think it's too late for him to pull things back and organize it better, he just needs to get in the right people, release the right things, and regain his brand.

[Winter]

I heard his new team were brought in to sort out all the issues you've listed. They probably didn't realise what a huge task it was.

[Fuzzyduck121]

Nov 18, 2022 13:46:17 GMT 1 Winter said:

I heard his new team were brought in to sort out all the issues you've listed. They probably didn't realise what a huge task it was.

"team"

Put it this way, the xmas party doesnt need a venue and secret santa would be quite easy to work out with minimal thinking time

[Daniel Silk]

Nov 18, 2022 13:46:17 GMT 1 Winter said:

I heard his new team were brought in to sort out all the issues you've listed. They probably didn't realise what a huge task it was.

I just feel frustrated how badly things have been handled for brand Banksy 😕 I wonder what that "new team" have done? I would think first step would be to make a concrete, reliable, regular presence with a Website and Social Media, giving confidence to collectors.

[Fuzzyduck121]

I would be more worried about his instagram posts right now than the speed of pest control

Oh dear oh dear

[Deleted]

Nov 18, 2022 14:16:36 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Nov 18, 2022 13:46:17 GMT 1 Winter said:

I heard his new team were brought in to sort out all the issues you've listed. They probably didn't realise what a huge task it was.

I just feel frustrated how badly things have been handled for brand Banksy 😕 I wonder what that "new team" have done? I would think first step would be to make a concrete, reliable, regular presence with a Website and Social Media, giving confidence to collectors.

Confidence is low, there's no leadership, no management and no communication which instills confusion, anxiety and anger. It's rife throughout the market. Alot of people are saying the same thing but not many are saying it to them out of fear of not getting coa or getting blacklisted. There's an obvious lack of knowledge and experience in key roles. Really bad decision making. I've voice the opinion of the consensus to them directly and crystal clear, however they're only hearing one voice or a handful, they don't believe me that the market is very concerned, they think I'm being pissy. one person is easily ignored. Nothing will change unless people start voicing their concerns as a collective. I've tried, they don't believe me .

[Daniel Silk]

Nov 18, 2022 15:29:49 GMT 1 @castlegalleryltd said:

Nov 18, 2022 14:16:36 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

I just feel frustrated how badly things have been handled for brand Banksy 😕 I wonder what that "new team" have done? I would think first step would be to make a concrete, reliable, regular presence with a Website and Social Media, giving confidence to collectors.

Confidence is low, there's no leadership, no management and no communication which instills confusion, anxiety and anger. It's rife throughout the market. Alot of people are saying the same thing but not many are saying it to them out of fear of not getting coa or getting blacklisted. There's an obvious lack of knowledge and experience in key roles. Really bad decision making. I've voice the opinion of the consensus to them directly and crystal clear, however they're only hearing one voice or a handful, they don't believe me that the market is very concerned, they think I'm being pissy. one person is easily ignored. Nothing will change unless people start voicing their concerns as a collective. I've tried, they don't believe me .

I feel the same 😕 To watch it all happened over the last decade. I can only imagine he's surrounded by people who tell him what he wants to hear, rather than honest genuine guidance. The more I think about it, the more frustrated and helpless I feel.

[Fuzzyduck121]

There is no issue with the artist per se however the structure and function of PC is pretty much a total failure.

The idea that it can take 2-3 years for a COA or a change of owner isn't because they think its clever or there is some sort of commercial reason at all, its because they are completely and utterly failing to do the most basic things and are verging on collapse.

Those in the know are more than aware that the situation is beyond bad and that it cannot continue as it has.

Whilst the likes of Hirst can create mass projects like the currency and a new series of 300 original works each individually photographed and displayed in a public gallery whilst being sold via applications that are correctly vetted and dealt with thus furthering the artists career and managing his estate, Pest Control cannot print out a piece of paper in the space of 2 years or reply to an email.

The issues can, will and are damaging the artists estate, market, values and credibility.

Whilst one cannot compare the 2 artists in terms of their ideology or subject matter , one is a current, active artist that is expanding his appeal, engaging fans at all levels as both viewers of the work, collectors and other interested parties, creating new works, entertaining people, vetting purchasers quickly and methodically and allowing a flowing market place for primary and secondary sales without a hitch and the other is in a position where new collectors have nothing to buy, established ones cannot sell their works and other interested parties have one Instagram post a year to keep them going.

it isnt working.

[Deleted]

Nov 18, 2022 17:30:13 GMT 1 Fuzzyduck121 said:

There is no issue with the artist per se however the structure and function of PC is pretty much a total failure.

The idea that it can take 2-3 years for a COA or a change of owner isn't because they think its clever or there is some sort of commercial reason at all, its because they are completely and utterly failing to do the most basic things and are verging on collapse.

Those in the know are more than aware that the situation is beyond bad and that it cannot continue as it has.

Whilst the likes of Hirst can create mass projects like the currency and a new series of 300 original works each individually photographed and displayed in a public gallery whilst being sold via applications that are correctly vetted and dealt with thus furthering the artists career and managing his estate, Pest Control cannot print out a piece of paper in the space of 2 years or reply to an email.

The issues can, will and are damaging the artists estate, market, values and credibility.

Whilst one cannot compare the 2 artists in terms of their ideology or subject matter , one is a current, active artist that is expanding his appeal, engaging fans at all levels as both viewers of the work, collectors and other interested parties, creating new works, entertaining people, vetting purchasers quickly and methodically and allowing a flowing market place for primary and secondary sales without a hitch and the other is in a position where new collectors have nothing to buy, established ones cannot sell their works and other interested parties have one Instagram post a year to keep them going.

it isnt working.

This is exactly what needs to be said, heard and listened to. PC and the Artist should be looked at separately. It can be fixed but not if it doesn't change.

[Deleted]

Nov 18, 2022 17:10:14 GMT 1 Romulus said:

I don't see what he's done wrong. A couple of unfulfilled parts of the GDP project?

100% nothing to do with the artist, the issues lie with management or lack thereof.

[fusion0001]

On one hand I agree with this, but on the other hand - do we really know what is Banksy's or Pest Control mandate and objectives? What is Pest Control really tasked to "manage"?

We assume that we are a "customer" of Pest Control and Banksy in same way as collectors are "customers" to Hirst/Heni and that we should be prioritized and served well and that our "investments" in his art should be well taken care of. What if they don't care and that is not their objective?

May be his/their only real "customers" are a small group of VIPs that they still sell originals to? Or may be serving collectors is not their purpose at all? Who knows.

Of course, might be also just badly mis-managed, but its so bad that one starts to wonder that may be he/they just don't see collectors as a priority any more and have a different mission and objective