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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by ajr on Jan 27, 2020 15:54:28 GMT 1, Agreed. Croydon train ticket, parking ticket or purchase receipt for a roll of Christmas wrapping paper ๐ is probably the best you can hope for. I would settle for nothing less than a photo of the seller outside GDP. Holding hands with their kids, crying their little eyes out whilst carrying their stolen prints๐ Not unless you had taken the kids to McD and bought them a 99p ice cream beforehand.....
Agreed. Croydon train ticket, parking ticket or purchase receipt for a roll of Christmas wrapping paper ๐ is probably the best you can hope for. I would settle for nothing less than a photo of the seller outside GDP. Holding hands with their kids, crying their little eyes out whilst carrying their stolen prints๐ Not unless you had taken the kids to McD and bought them a 99p ice cream beforehand.....
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by corbu on Jan 27, 2020 16:06:15 GMT 1, As brillobox said the real problem is provenance with these. Other Banksy posters with receipts and tubes help with provenance, which these don't have. You could buy now from a trusted seller here and have confidence the print is genuine. If you then go to sell at a later date, then that real provenance is lost to the next buyer. I have genuine di tenners bought from a trusted source that I know are legit, but if I ever sell these at any point it would be just my word, unless a buyer inspects. Agreed. Croydon train ticket, parking ticket or purchase receipt for a roll of Christmas wrapping paper ๐ is probably the best you can hope for. At the very least, ask for an image of the reverse side. You should be able to rule out the obvious fakes from that.
As brillobox said the real problem is provenance with these. Other Banksy posters with receipts and tubes help with provenance, which these don't have. You could buy now from a trusted seller here and have confidence the print is genuine. If you then go to sell at a later date, then that real provenance is lost to the next buyer. I have genuine di tenners bought from a trusted source that I know are legit, but if I ever sell these at any point it would be just my word, unless a buyer inspects. Agreed. Croydon train ticket, parking ticket or purchase receipt for a roll of Christmas wrapping paper ๐ is probably the best you can hope for. At the very least, ask for an image of the reverse side. You should be able to rule out the obvious fakes from that.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Happy Shopper on Jan 27, 2020 17:20:23 GMT 1, It's the year 2030 and Timothy is using AmazonEbay by Shell to sell his GDP "Thrower" "So, the piece has great provenance. It was originally owned by a man called Benjamin or Ben or maybe it was Tony? He sent his daughter on the last day to collect it. Then it was sold on eBay to xxxILOVEDRAKExxx and he managed to lose the original provenance that Tony/Ben had given to him. As far as I know it was then pawned to cash converters in Manchester and it spent some time on the managers office wall. When cash converters went out of business in 2028 an office cleaner found it stuck behind a radiator and gave it to her nephew who sold it to me on Gumtree. At least that's the story that was given to me. Are you still interested?" Should do well at Julien's Auctions!
It's the year 2030 and Timothy is using AmazonEbay by Shell to sell his GDP "Thrower" "So, the piece has great provenance. It was originally owned by a man called Benjamin or Ben or maybe it was Tony? He sent his daughter on the last day to collect it. Then it was sold on eBay to xxxILOVEDRAKExxx and he managed to lose the original provenance that Tony/Ben had given to him. As far as I know it was then pawned to cash converters in Manchester and it spent some time on the managers office wall. When cash converters went out of business in 2028 an office cleaner found it stuck behind a radiator and gave it to her nephew who sold it to me on Gumtree. At least that's the story that was given to me. Are you still interested?" Should do well at Julien's Auctions!
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 17:24:04 GMT 1, It's the year 2030 and Timothy is using AmazonEbay by Shell to sell his GDP "Thrower" "So, the piece has great provenance. It was originally owned by a man called Benjamin or Ben or maybe it was Tony? He sent his daughter on the last day to collect it. Then it was sold on eBay to xxxILOVEDRAKExxx and he managed to lose the original provenance that Tony/Ben had given to him. As far as I know it was then pawned to cash converters in Manchester and it spent some time on the managers office wall. When cash converters went out of business in 2028 an office cleaner found it stuck behind a radiator and gave it to her nephew who sold it to me on Gumtree. At least that's the story that was given to me. Are you still interested?"
Welcome to the art world
It was forever thus...
Get fake or fortune on the case
It's the year 2030 and Timothy is using AmazonEbay by Shell to sell his GDP "Thrower" "So, the piece has great provenance. It was originally owned by a man called Benjamin or Ben or maybe it was Tony? He sent his daughter on the last day to collect it. Then it was sold on eBay to xxxILOVEDRAKExxx and he managed to lose the original provenance that Tony/Ben had given to him. As far as I know it was then pawned to cash converters in Manchester and it spent some time on the managers office wall. When cash converters went out of business in 2028 an office cleaner found it stuck behind a radiator and gave it to her nephew who sold it to me on Gumtree. At least that's the story that was given to me. Are you still interested?" Welcome to the art world It was forever thus... Get fake or fortune on the case
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Random Ginger Bloke on Jan 27, 2020 18:26:35 GMT 1, So nobody selling one then ๐
So nobody selling one then ๐
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Babyford
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Babyford on Jan 27, 2020 18:55:15 GMT 1, Agreed. Croydon train ticket, parking ticket or purchase receipt for a roll of Christmas wrapping paper ๐ is probably the best you can hope for. At the very least, ask for an image of the reverse side. You should be able to rule out the obvious fakes from that. Taking a photo of the print infront of the show window and time/ date stamping would also be a good proof of attendance.
Agreed. Croydon train ticket, parking ticket or purchase receipt for a roll of Christmas wrapping paper ๐ is probably the best you can hope for. At the very least, ask for an image of the reverse side. You should be able to rule out the obvious fakes from that. Taking a photo of the print infront of the show window and time/ date stamping would also be a good proof of attendance.
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mmmike
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by mmmike on Jan 28, 2020 3:00:29 GMT 1, Anyone have a legit rat they want to sell?
Anyone have a legit rat they want to sell?
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by anodyne13 on Jan 28, 2020 6:02:53 GMT 1, I bought a thrower and crisis so I'll give you my thought process. I tried to buy these as soon as possible after the show, I documented the purchase, the seller, photos of the item, shipping info, listing info etc.
I will have this info and it will be up to a buyer to eventually decide if that is good enough for them. I dont plan on selling so I dont have a lot of concern of what a future Buyer will think. But if you want one of these prints eventually (and they are cool) as a Buyer you will have to make your own determination/inspection.
The reality is that these already have the provenance/authenticity issue priced in. If there was the provenance that people are complaining about, these would be 10 or 20 times more than they are now.
I bought a thrower and crisis so I'll give you my thought process. I tried to buy these as soon as possible after the show, I documented the purchase, the seller, photos of the item, shipping info, listing info etc.
I will have this info and it will be up to a buyer to eventually decide if that is good enough for them. I dont plan on selling so I dont have a lot of concern of what a future Buyer will think. But if you want one of these prints eventually (and they are cool) as a Buyer you will have to make your own determination/inspection.
The reality is that these already have the provenance/authenticity issue priced in. If there was the provenance that people are complaining about, these would be 10 or 20 times more than they are now.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by simonsion on Jan 28, 2020 7:31:37 GMT 1, How much are they worth now ?
How much are they worth now ?
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Yes its Me on Jan 28, 2020 8:52:24 GMT 1, Iโve got a rat and a flower print for sale
Iโve got a rat and a flower print for sale
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Dice on Jan 28, 2020 10:03:47 GMT 1, I bought a thrower and crisis so I'll give you my thought process. I tried to buy these as soon as possible after the show, I documented the purchase, the seller, photos of the item, shipping info, listing info etc. I will have this info and it will be up to a buyer to eventually decide if that is good enough for them. I dont plan on selling so I dont have a lot of concern of what a future Buyer will think. But if you want one of these prints eventually (and they are cool) as a Buyer you will have to make your own determination/inspection. The reality is that these already have the provenance/authenticity issue priced in. If there was the provenance that people are complaining about, these would be 10 or 20 times more than they are now.
I did exactly the same having missed out at the show. Bought flower thrower the next day on eBay after release and kept all the screenshots etc. No proof as such but would have been difficult to fake so quickly. Not great but better than nothing I suppose.
I bought a thrower and crisis so I'll give you my thought process. I tried to buy these as soon as possible after the show, I documented the purchase, the seller, photos of the item, shipping info, listing info etc. I will have this info and it will be up to a buyer to eventually decide if that is good enough for them. I dont plan on selling so I dont have a lot of concern of what a future Buyer will think. But if you want one of these prints eventually (and they are cool) as a Buyer you will have to make your own determination/inspection. The reality is that these already have the provenance/authenticity issue priced in. If there was the provenance that people are complaining about, these would be 10 or 20 times more than they are now. I did exactly the same having missed out at the show. Bought flower thrower the next day on eBay after release and kept all the screenshots etc. No proof as such but would have been difficult to fake so quickly. Not great but better than nothing I suppose.
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Terry Fuckwitt
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Terry Fuckwitt on Jan 28, 2020 10:49:00 GMT 1,
Ridiculous price
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by avec art on Jan 28, 2020 10:54:40 GMT 1, I would suggest these are more likely to be faked than the rats or the thrower as they don't require the fine spray
I would suggest these are more likely to be faked than the rats or the thrower as they don't require the fine spray
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by tab1 on Jan 28, 2020 16:12:39 GMT 1, Even at ยฃ100 it is ridiculous
Even at ยฃ100 it is ridiculous
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by iamzero on Jan 28, 2020 16:25:28 GMT 1, Not if you own one...
Not if you own one...
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Icesay on Jan 28, 2020 19:14:54 GMT 1, What's all this chat about!? If you have a genuine one then you are very lucky, it is an unsigned genuine Banksy. Anyone poo pooing that is talking a load of doo doo.
What's all this chat about!? If you have a genuine one then you are very lucky, it is an unsigned genuine Banksy. Anyone poo pooing that is talking a load of doo doo.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Graham H on Jan 29, 2020 14:06:36 GMT 1, Are you having a conversation with yourself and answering your own questions?
I am so back on forth on these prints. I was offered one but the seller has now had a higher offer. I have been offered another one that I know to be genuine. I am so curious to know what these are going to be worth in 5 years time. Are they going to be worthless? Or coin? Who knows..... Its unpredictable. It all comes down to issues of provenance. If you don't have a rock solid chain of this, I imagine they will be worthless!
Are you having a conversation with yourself and answering your own questions? I am so back on forth on these prints. I was offered one but the seller has now had a higher offer. I have been offered another one that I know to be genuine. I am so curious to know what these are going to be worth in 5 years time. Are they going to be worthless? Or coin? Who knows..... Its unpredictable. It all comes down to issues of provenance. If you don't have a rock solid chain of this, I imagine they will be worthless!
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 14:07:19 GMT 1, I am so back on forth on these prints. I was offered one but the seller has now had a higher offer. I have been offered another one that I know to be genuine. I am so curious to know what these are going to be worth in 5 years time. Are they going to be worthless? Or coin? Who knows..... Its unpredictable. It all comes down to issues of provenance. If you don't have a rock solid chain of this, I imagine they will be worthless!
Go for worthless.
Its easier on the brain
There is no rock solid provenance as we all know
I am so back on forth on these prints. I was offered one but the seller has now had a higher offer. I have been offered another one that I know to be genuine. I am so curious to know what these are going to be worth in 5 years time. Are they going to be worthless? Or coin? Who knows..... Its unpredictable. It all comes down to issues of provenance. If you don't have a rock solid chain of this, I imagine they will be worthless! Go for worthless. Its easier on the brain There is no rock solid provenance as we all know
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Terry Fuckwitt
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Terry Fuckwitt on Jan 29, 2020 14:20:53 GMT 1, I am so back on forth on these prints. I was offered one but the seller has now had a higher offer. I have been offered another one that I know to be genuine. I am so curious to know what these are going to be worth in 5 years time. Are they going to be worthless? Or coin? Who knows..... Its unpredictable. It all comes down to issues of provenance. If you don't have a rock solid chain of this, I imagine they will be worthless!
A genuine one will never be worthless. Genuine di tenners still fetch around ยฃ400 from trusted sources even whilst loads of fakes are being sold. What will they will be worth in 5 years though.. fucknose
I am so back on forth on these prints. I was offered one but the seller has now had a higher offer. I have been offered another one that I know to be genuine. I am so curious to know what these are going to be worth in 5 years time. Are they going to be worthless? Or coin? Who knows..... Its unpredictable. It all comes down to issues of provenance. If you don't have a rock solid chain of this, I imagine they will be worthless! A genuine one will never be worthless. Genuine di tenners still fetch around ยฃ400 from trusted sources even whilst loads of fakes are being sold. What will they will be worth in 5 years though.. fucknose
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by iamzero on Jan 29, 2020 14:31:02 GMT 1, Are you asking these questions as an investor or an art fan although Iโm aware you could be both? If you like the image then buy it. Nobody can predict the value of these in the future years so itโs all a gamble. Theyโre very similar to the existing posters out there like Soup Can, Petrol Bomb and Monkey Parliament in that youโll never likely get Pest Control... but the GDP ones are screenprints. In my opinion that makes them more desirable to me, that said if I didnโt own the ones I do I donโt think Iโd be chasing them down.
Are you asking these questions as an investor or an art fan although Iโm aware you could be both? If you like the image then buy it. Nobody can predict the value of these in the future years so itโs all a gamble. Theyโre very similar to the existing posters out there like Soup Can, Petrol Bomb and Monkey Parliament in that youโll never likely get Pest Control... but the GDP ones are screenprints. In my opinion that makes them more desirable to me, that said if I didnโt own the ones I do I donโt think Iโd be chasing them down.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by lv90210 on Jan 29, 2020 15:17:53 GMT 1, Good Question! I buy what I like. However, I don't like losing money. So I try to get the best prices I can. I have no issue of buying something for ยฃ2000 and only being able to sell it for ยฃ2100 5 years late. "Investing" and contemporary art don't really go together. Unless you know something that no other man knows. UPDATE: I just pulled the trigger and purchased a "Crisis As Usual" prob got more waves than Brighton beach......
Good Question! I buy what I like. However, I don't like losing money. So I try to get the best prices I can. I have no issue of buying something for ยฃ2000 and only being able to sell it for ยฃ2100 5 years late. "Investing" and contemporary art don't really go together. Unless you know something that no other man knows. UPDATE: I just pulled the trigger and purchased a "Crisis As Usual" prob got more waves than Brighton beach......
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 15:37:25 GMT 1, Good Question! I buy what I like. However, I don't like losing money. So I try to get the best prices I can. I have no issue of buying something for ยฃ2000 and only being able to sell it for ยฃ2100 5 years late. "Investing" and contemporary art don't really go together. Unless you know something that no other man knows.ย UPDATE: I just pulled the trigger and purchased a "Crisis As Usual"ย
For the wall or for the portfolio?
Good Question! I buy what I like. However, I don't like losing money. So I try to get the best prices I can. I have no issue of buying something for ยฃ2000 and only being able to sell it for ยฃ2100 5 years late. "Investing" and contemporary art don't really go together. Unless you know something that no other man knows.ย UPDATE: I just pulled the trigger and purchased a "Crisis As Usual"ย For the wall or for the portfolio?
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Inknart on Jan 29, 2020 16:13:18 GMT 1, Good Question! I buy what I like. However, I don't like losing money. So I try to get the best prices I can. I have no issue of buying something for ยฃ2000 and only being able to sell it for ยฃ2100 5 years late. "Investing" and contemporary art don't really go together. Unless you know something that no other man knows. UPDATE: I just pulled the trigger and purchased a "Crisis As Usual" So how much did you invest in this unsigned unnumbered non certifiable print guaranteed to be yellow in a year ? I love how everyone is so bitter about these. LOVE THEM.
I wonder how many of these same people complaining hopped on the soup can train... which to me is far less superior than these in every fashion.
Good Question! I buy what I like. However, I don't like losing money. So I try to get the best prices I can. I have no issue of buying something for ยฃ2000 and only being able to sell it for ยฃ2100 5 years late. "Investing" and contemporary art don't really go together. Unless you know something that no other man knows. UPDATE: I just pulled the trigger and purchased a "Crisis As Usual" So how much did you invest in this unsigned unnumbered non certifiable print guaranteed to be yellow in a year ? I love how everyone is so bitter about these. LOVE THEM. I wonder how many of these same people complaining hopped on the soup can train... which to me is far less superior than these in every fashion.
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Terry Fuckwitt
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Terry Fuckwitt on Jan 29, 2020 16:27:25 GMT 1, Is there any truth to this yellowing? If one was to frame using museum grade glass, surely it would not be a problem?
Newsprint, which must be produced as economically as possible, has more lignin in it than finer papers. At the mill, the wood that will be turned into newsprint is ground up, lignin and all.
Paper manufacturers utilize the benefits of lignin in some types of paper, though. Brown kraft paper, the dark brown paper used in grocery store bags, and cardboard are stiff and sturdy because they have more lignin in them, and because those kinds of paper aren't treated with bleaching chemicals. It doesn't matter how dark they are because the printing on them is limited.
To make a fine white paper, the mill puts the wood through a chemical solvent process, which separates and discards the lignin. Pure cellulose is white, and the paper made from it will be white and will resist yellowing.
Lignin eventually turns paper yellow because of oxidation. That is, the lignin molecules, when exposed to oxygen in the air, begin to change and become less stable. The lignin will absorb more light, giving off a darker color. Chang says that if newsprint were kept completely out of sunlight and air, it would remain white. After only a few hours of sunlight and oxygen, however, it will start to change color.
Is there any truth to this yellowing? If one was to frame using museum grade glass, surely it would not be a problem? Newsprint, which must be produced as economically as possible, has more lignin in it than finer papers. At the mill, the wood that will be turned into newsprint is ground up, lignin and all. Paper manufacturers utilize the benefits of lignin in some types of paper, though. Brown kraft paper, the dark brown paper used in grocery store bags, and cardboard are stiff and sturdy because they have more lignin in them, and because those kinds of paper aren't treated with bleaching chemicals. It doesn't matter how dark they are because the printing on them is limited. To make a fine white paper, the mill puts the wood through a chemical solvent process, which separates and discards the lignin. Pure cellulose is white, and the paper made from it will be white and will resist yellowing. Lignin eventually turns paper yellow because of oxidation. That is, the lignin molecules, when exposed to oxygen in the air, begin to change and become less stable. The lignin will absorb more light, giving off a darker color. Chang says that if newsprint were kept completely out of sunlight and air, it would remain white. After only a few hours of sunlight and oxygen, however, it will start to change color.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Inknart on Jan 29, 2020 16:30:25 GMT 1, Is there any truth to this yellowing? If one was to frame using museum grade glass, surely it would not be a problem? Newsprint, which must be produced as economically as possible, has more lignin in it than finer papers. At the mill, the wood that will be turned into newsprint is ground up, lignin and all. Paper manufacturers utilize the benefits of lignin in some types of paper, though. Brown kraft paper, the dark brown paper used in grocery store bags, and cardboard are stiff and sturdy because they have more lignin in them, and because those kinds of paper aren't treated with bleaching chemicals. It doesn't matter how dark they are because the printing on them is limited. To make a fine white paper, the mill puts the wood through a chemical solvent process, which separates and discards the lignin. Pure cellulose is white, and the paper made from it will be white and will resist yellowing. Lignin eventually turns paper yellow because of oxidation. That is, the lignin molecules, when exposed to oxygen in the air, begin to change and become less stable. The lignin will absorb more light, giving off a darker color. Chang says that if newsprint were kept completely out of sunlight and air, it would remain white. After only a few hours of sunlight and oxygen, however, it will start to change color. What was the recycled paper used for Banksy's prints previously made from?
Also, I've now had mine on wall for months in direct sunlight with 0 color change.
Is there any truth to this yellowing? If one was to frame using museum grade glass, surely it would not be a problem? Newsprint, which must be produced as economically as possible, has more lignin in it than finer papers. At the mill, the wood that will be turned into newsprint is ground up, lignin and all. Paper manufacturers utilize the benefits of lignin in some types of paper, though. Brown kraft paper, the dark brown paper used in grocery store bags, and cardboard are stiff and sturdy because they have more lignin in them, and because those kinds of paper aren't treated with bleaching chemicals. It doesn't matter how dark they are because the printing on them is limited. To make a fine white paper, the mill puts the wood through a chemical solvent process, which separates and discards the lignin. Pure cellulose is white, and the paper made from it will be white and will resist yellowing. Lignin eventually turns paper yellow because of oxidation. That is, the lignin molecules, when exposed to oxygen in the air, begin to change and become less stable. The lignin will absorb more light, giving off a darker color. Chang says that if newsprint were kept completely out of sunlight and air, it would remain white. After only a few hours of sunlight and oxygen, however, it will start to change color. What was the recycled paper used for Banksy's prints previously made from? Also, I've now had mine on wall for months in direct sunlight with 0 color change.
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Terry Fuckwitt
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Terry Fuckwitt on Jan 29, 2020 16:41:05 GMT 1, Newsprint, which must be produced as economically as possible, has more lignin in it than finer papers. At the mill, the wood that will be turned into newsprint is ground up, lignin and all. Paper manufacturers utilize the benefits of lignin in some types of paper, though. Brown kraft paper, the dark brown paper used in grocery store bags, and cardboard are stiff and sturdy because they have more lignin in them, and because those kinds of paper aren't treated with bleaching chemicals. It doesn't matter how dark they are because the printing on them is limited. To make a fine white paper, the mill puts the wood through a chemical solvent process, which separates and discards the lignin. Pure cellulose is white, and the paper made from it will be white and will resist yellowing. Lignin eventually turns paper yellow because of oxidation. That is, the lignin molecules, when exposed to oxygen in the air, begin to change and become less stable. The lignin will absorb more light, giving off a darker color. Chang says that if newsprint were kept completely out of sunlight and air, it would remain white. After only a few hours of sunlight and oxygen, however, it will start to change color. What was the recycled paper used for Banksy's prints previously made from?ย Also, I've now had mine on wall for months in direct sunlight with 0 color change.ย
Which prints?
Newsprint, which must be produced as economically as possible, has more lignin in it than finer papers. At the mill, the wood that will be turned into newsprint is ground up, lignin and all. Paper manufacturers utilize the benefits of lignin in some types of paper, though. Brown kraft paper, the dark brown paper used in grocery store bags, and cardboard are stiff and sturdy because they have more lignin in them, and because those kinds of paper aren't treated with bleaching chemicals. It doesn't matter how dark they are because the printing on them is limited. To make a fine white paper, the mill puts the wood through a chemical solvent process, which separates and discards the lignin. Pure cellulose is white, and the paper made from it will be white and will resist yellowing. Lignin eventually turns paper yellow because of oxidation. That is, the lignin molecules, when exposed to oxygen in the air, begin to change and become less stable. The lignin will absorb more light, giving off a darker color. Chang says that if newsprint were kept completely out of sunlight and air, it would remain white. After only a few hours of sunlight and oxygen, however, it will start to change color. What was the recycled paper used for Banksy's prints previously made from?ย Also, I've now had mine on wall for months in direct sunlight with 0 color change.ย Which prints?
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Inknart on Jan 29, 2020 16:49:51 GMT 1, What was the recycled paper used for Banksy's prints previously made from? Also, I've now had mine on wall for months in direct sunlight with 0 color change. Which prints? All of his prints, i think. Weren't they made from recycled paper?
What was the recycled paper used for Banksy's prints previously made from? Also, I've now had mine on wall for months in direct sunlight with 0 color change. Which prints? All of his prints, i think. Weren't they made from recycled paper?
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Terry Fuckwitt
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Terry Fuckwitt on Jan 29, 2020 16:55:05 GMT 1, All of his prints, i think. Weren't they made from recycled paper?ย
The older prints are on wove paper, but I don't think it's recycled, not sure though.
All of his prints, i think. Weren't they made from recycled paper?ย The older prints are on wove paper, but I don't think it's recycled, not sure though.
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Majestic
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Majestic on Jan 29, 2020 17:47:55 GMT 1, Bring on the yellow!
I think it will look pretty cool.
Bring on the yellow!
I think it will look pretty cool.
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