[stevec]

New York Times weighs in on the differences discussion - with input from Andipa

updated with correct link - thanks jp

www.nytimes.com/2019/09/19/arts/design/banksy-auction.html

[microcosmica]

I remember when this was (v. unofficially) for sale for £250k... I think in about 2009. The price was only so high back then because B didn't really want to part with it. I always thought one day it would be worth a lot more.

I'm expecting the monkeys in the painting to do some sort of monkeying around on the day of the auction. Let's hope they don't "dissolve parliament" - it would be a shame to see the painting half-melted.

My guess is it will sell for over £4m this time around.

[Deleted]

Sept 21, 2019 14:04:13 GMT 1 microcosmica said:

I remember when this was (v. unofficially) for sale for £250k... I think in about 2009. The price was only so high back then because B didn't really want to part with it. I always thought one day it would be worth a lot more.

I'm expecting the monkeys in the painting to do some sort of monkeying around on the day of the auction. Let's hope they don't "dissolve parliament" - it would be a shame to see the painting half-melted.

My guess is it will sell for over £4m this time around.

It was 500k primary at Bristol.

[jp]

Sept 21, 2019 5:20:33 GMT 1 stevec said:

New York Times weighs in on the differences discussion - with input from Andipa
urbanartassociation.com/thread/159405/choose-weapon?page=2

Thank you for the link, though I had to google it since the link you pasted points to a another thread on this forum. Here is the link again:

www.nytimes.com/2019/09/19/arts/design/banksy-auction.html

I did not notice the more subtle changes in the re-worked version, such as the banana turned the other way around, or the change in wooden post.

The comment from Andipa is really worth thinking about. "He added he would only be convinced the painting was unique if he could examine the canvas himself using an ultraviolet light that would show up any reworkings."

That is the right approach to take given the propensity of the artist for pranks. I'm starting to think this is not the original painting, for the following reasons:

1. The obvious (and subtle) changes
2. Sothebys mysterious lack of description of the changes
3. The description "Oil paint and digital print, 2009". So why the digital print? Is it underneath? That would make it much easier to make a second painting with a few alterations.
4. Sothebys. October. 2018.

One of the comments from the article is "Prediction: The painting will get darker and darker as Brexit gets closer." I think that's a pretty good guess. Or perhaps the painting with "devolve" in some other manner?

[Deleted]

It would be uncharacteristically predictable of Banksy for there to be another stunt at the same auction house. Its not uncommon for Banksy to rework originals at a later date.

[Dahmer]

stop talking about another stunt or it might not come true...

we all know banksy reads this board

[moron]

Sept 17, 2019 10:57:35 GMT 1 Dahmer said:

Sept 17, 2019 10:27:41 GMT 1 iamzero said:

Read the question again. Slowly and try not to be too clever about it because I can assure you it’s not a loaded question. I’ll put it another way for you. If you were the man that painted this canvas, how would you be feeling about the recognition this piece gets?

Probably pretty good. Assuming this was painted by another person besides Banksy, then lets assume Banksy is a decent enough guy to actually pay them, and assuming that he could of paid him reasonably well, then perhaps in 2009 this other painter could have very well made enough money of this alone to put a deposit down for a house, thats pretty cool. Perhaps Banksy even tipped him a small stencilled canvas or even a couple of prints, maybe even a nice little quick biro rat drawing. 

Maybe Banksy will even tip him a tiny bit from the ARR, i think thats like 4 percent isint it, lets assume this hits £2 million, thats £80,000 in ARR, if banksy tipped the guy again 10 percent of that, thats a conservatory on the back of the house Banksy has already helped pay for. Lets assume it was a man who painted it, pretty sure the wife will be happy with a new conservatory and maybe a nice meal on date night. 

A happy wife, is a happy life.

dream on

[moron]

Sept 16, 2019 16:42:23 GMT 1 nex said:

Sept 16, 2019 16:08:42 GMT 1 iamzero said:

I wonder how much Banksy actually painted of this if any and how does the real artist feel about this?

The real artist? What you mean the one that didn’t have the idea and action it... ?

How do you know Banksy had the idea? he is known for plagiarism

[moron]

Sept 16, 2019 16:08:42 GMT 1 iamzero said:

I wonder how much Banksy actually painted of this if any and how does the real artist feel about this?

 It does look like it was painted by a theatre scenery painter. Hence the large size and the flat brushwork.
Sothebys does say in the description, "it was created" in so and so rather than it wa spainted by Banksy in so and so. Created implies it was made to order. I don't think the person who painted it has a problem as they were paid to do a job and what happens after shouldn't matter too much. Of course they can always reveal themselves and say they painted this to order, if they have not signed some sort of privacy clause contract in blood with the art devil known as brand Banksy.

   Salvador Dali employed a very talented Spanish artist to paint his large 50's 60's canvases for him.

  

 

[jingle]

Sept 22, 2019 18:10:19 GMT 1 moron said:

Sept 16, 2019 16:08:42 GMT 1 iamzero said:

I wonder how much Banksy actually painted of this if any and how does the real artist feel about this?

 It does look like it was painted by a theatre scenery painter. Hence the large size and the flat brushwork.
Sothebys does say in the description, "it was created" in so and so rather than it wa spainted by Banksy in so and so. Created implies it was made to order. I don't think the person who painted it has a problem as they were paid to do a job and what happens after shouldn't matter too much. Of course they can always reveal themselves and say they painted this to order, if they have not signed some sort of privacy clause contract in blood with the art devil known as brand Banksy.

   Salvador Dali employed a very talented Spanish artist to paint his large 50's 60's canvases for him.

  

 

Probably won't ever know if he came up with the idea and I frankly I doubt many people care except if its attributed to him. Much like Damien Hirst and many other artists, Koons etc. They employ other artists to create their concepts and the collectors are happy enough to buy knowing this. 

[trap door]

I’m thinking...

[kfroms]

If you have the chance go to the Sotheby's preview. The set up for the Banksy is great - own room, metal detector at the entrance and benches like in the Parliament.

I guess this will go north of 5 Million.

And if you go check out the de Kooning on display. Stunning.

[Winter]

It should be hung in parliament to remind MPs how they could be are perceived

[JW]

I went to see it at lunch time today and had the room to myself for a good 5 minutes (apart from the security guards).  Definitely worth popping in.

[met]

Sept 30, 2019 16:04:44 GMT 1 Winter said:

It should be hung in parliament to remind MPs how they could be are perceived

Looking at the Visitors' Gallery in this artwork, one could argue that the British electorate is perceived in a similar fashion.

[not4thethril]

Here is a photo of a left handed Banksy painting Devolved Parliament:



and here is a video of a right handed Banksy painting a billboard:





Banksy is ambidextrous!!!!!!!

[Ponyboy Curtis]

£7.2 mill. IMO

[jingle]

Oct 1, 2019 11:30:47 GMT 1 Ponyboy Curtis said:

£7.2 mill. IMO

I've been to see it and now think your going to be close, its massive and awesome.

[Deleted]

Never has a piece been more apt.

[TheItalianOne]

what time is the auction?
any link to see the auction online?