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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by leumasdarnley on Feb 13, 2008 17:03:21 GMT 1, untrue unnumbered prints are not part of the series and are basically posters. People will pay what they feel they are worth but without provenance I don't see anyone taking a big chance they might be "real". Mainly because even if POW printed them they don't exist as far as the series is concerned. Only thing I see is bastards scrawling numbers on them.
untrue unnumbered prints are not part of the series and are basically posters. People will pay what they feel they are worth but without provenance I don't see anyone taking a big chance they might be "real". Mainly because even if POW printed them they don't exist as far as the series is concerned. Only thing I see is bastards scrawling numbers on them.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by johnnyrubadub on Feb 13, 2008 17:36:58 GMT 1,
A fellow wormate has 3 Banksy prints that are unnumbered and unsigned. He did take them down to POW and they said that they were genuine prints, made before they started doing Banksy work.
Made before they started doing Banksy's work? so that means there must be numerous editions of all the early prints. Mission Prints did all the early Banksy prints not POW. I cant see these being posters.
A fellow wormate has 3 Banksy prints that are unnumbered and unsigned. He did take them down to POW and they said that they were genuine prints, made before they started doing Banksy work. Made before they started doing Banksy's work? so that means there must be numerous editions of all the early prints. Mission Prints did all the early Banksy prints not POW. I cant see these being posters. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by foundation on Feb 13, 2008 17:37:46 GMT 1, i would quite happily buy an unnumbered print if your mate could get written confirmation from pow. They are real prints, that much the forum member has pointed out. Still worth buying or collecting as they are the real deal. Just because its not numbered does not mean its worth less. Mark my words.. these prints along with the numbered one's will be fetching stupid money from this moment on. As long as POW have said they are real then thats enough for me and a lot of others. By the way, bonhams are only taking signed Banksy's from now on... ;D
i would quite happily buy an unnumbered print if your mate could get written confirmation from pow. They are real prints, that much the forum member has pointed out. Still worth buying or collecting as they are the real deal. Just because its not numbered does not mean its worth less. Mark my words.. these prints along with the numbered one's will be fetching stupid money from this moment on. As long as POW have said they are real then thats enough for me and a lot of others. By the way, bonhams are only taking signed Banksy's from now on... ;D Do you really believe POW endorsed this guys backdoor prints? If you are that gullible, then go right ahead and buy as many as you can..... Read the previous threads on backdoor prints for some other folks views on the subject. Possibly from mission, possibly printed last week...... |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by tmccarthy41 on Feb 13, 2008 19:33:26 GMT 1, post pictures
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by snakes on Feb 13, 2008 19:40:34 GMT 1, what's he got and how much doe he want?
what's he got and how much doe he want?
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Guest on Feb 13, 2008 19:55:26 GMT 1, what's he got and how much doe he want?
snakes are you after more backdoor prints!
what's he got and how much doe he want? snakes are you after more backdoor prints! |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Daniel Silk on Feb 13, 2008 20:10:03 GMT 1, A fellow wormate has 3 Banksy prints that are unnumbered and unsigned. He did take them down to POW and they said that they were genuine prints, made before they started doing Banksy work. Made before they started doing Banksy's work? so that means there must be numerous editions of all the early prints. Mission Prints did all the early Banksy prints not POW. I cant see these being posters.
LetThemHang also did at least one early Banksy print run.
A fellow wormate has 3 Banksy prints that are unnumbered and unsigned. He did take them down to POW and they said that they were genuine prints, made before they started doing Banksy work. Made before they started doing Banksy's work? so that means there must be numerous editions of all the early prints. Mission Prints did all the early Banksy prints not POW. I cant see these being posters. LetThemHang also did at least one early Banksy print run. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by foundation on Feb 13, 2008 20:11:51 GMT 1, A fellow wormate has 3 Banksy prints that are unnumbered and unsigned. He did take them down to POW and they said that they were genuine prints, made before they started doing Banksy work. Made before they started doing Banksy's work? so that means there must be numerous editions of all the early prints. Mission Prints did all the early Banksy prints not POW. I cant see these being posters. LetThemHang also did at least one early Banksy print run.
A fellow wormate has 3 Banksy prints that are unnumbered and unsigned. He did take them down to POW and they said that they were genuine prints, made before they started doing Banksy work. Made before they started doing Banksy's work? so that means there must be numerous editions of all the early prints. Mission Prints did all the early Banksy prints not POW. I cant see these being posters. LetThemHang also did at least one early Banksy print run. Did they? |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by leumasdarnley on Feb 13, 2008 21:03:59 GMT 1, I think bongo hit the nail on the head. very suspicious of the reason for this discussion and the supportive comments made by certain other posters. you didn't say what exactly the images are that your mate has?
I am curious as well I have read a lot of genral posts regarding hypotheticals latly.
I think bongo hit the nail on the head. very suspicious of the reason for this discussion and the supportive comments made by certain other posters. you didn't say what exactly the images are that your mate has? I am curious as well I have read a lot of genral posts regarding hypotheticals latly. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by snakes on Feb 13, 2008 21:28:19 GMT 1, I have three beautiful backdoor prints HMV, Monkey Queen and Toxic Mary and I love em all and I have no intentions of selling and they are all hanging proudly.
Well maybe I would if the price was right!
I have three beautiful backdoor prints HMV, Monkey Queen and Toxic Mary and I love em all and I have no intentions of selling and they are all hanging proudly.
Well maybe I would if the price was right!
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by snakes on Feb 13, 2008 21:29:06 GMT 1, what's he got and how much doe he want? snakes are you after more backdoor prints!
man I definitely am if they were to be a happy choppers and laugh now 
what's he got and how much doe he want? snakes are you after more backdoor prints! man I definitely am if they were to be a happy choppers and laugh now |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by johnnyrubadub on Feb 13, 2008 22:17:09 GMT 1, I think bongo hit the nail on the head. very suspicious of the reason for this discussion and the supportive comments made by certain other posters. you didn't say what exactly the images are that your mate has?
If you read the first post you will see what he is on about. I qouted him on the line about the prints his mate has.....caught in a trap- we cant turn back- we cant go on together with suspicious minds....
I think bongo hit the nail on the head. very suspicious of the reason for this discussion and the supportive comments made by certain other posters. you didn't say what exactly the images are that your mate has? If you read the first post you will see what he is on about. I qouted him on the line about the prints his mate has.....caught in a trap- we cant turn back- we cant go on together with suspicious minds.... |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by JonW on Feb 14, 2008 6:30:36 GMT 1, I havent been drawn into the backdoor argument before for fear of being called a hypocrite as I have a TurfWar backdoor, its one of my favorite Banksy images and I paid the princely sum of a fiver for it back in 2004... I should have bought a signed/numberd one but cash was short and by the time cashflow improved the run was sold out. As othere have, Ive compared mine to a numbered one and its identical in every way apart from the numbers / sig of course - it was done by the same people. I wont ever sell it, its framed and hangs in my kitchen so I see it everday as I ahve the past 4 years. So no fear of it being numbered and sold for millions... LOL
As for checking the numbers against the purchaser... well thats all fine if you buy one off the first owner, but as prints change hands the 'list' will make no sense... Also POW didnt complete the lists for canvases afaik - or they didnt when I was there buying other artists' canvases. Perhaps the forum should start to complie a database of who owns what which can be checked by potential buyers for a small fee?
As for value... well its the same image, printed the same way by the same people... in my book thats better than a copy or a photo, or a poster. And makes it worth whatever someone will pay for it... ebay is the way for this....
Thinly veiled sales ad or not, maybe we should have a sticky thread entitled 'backdoor beauties' and refer any new threads about them to the definitive and leave it at that... its too emotive a subject to keep raking up...
I havent been drawn into the backdoor argument before for fear of being called a hypocrite as I have a TurfWar backdoor, its one of my favorite Banksy images and I paid the princely sum of a fiver for it back in 2004... I should have bought a signed/numberd one but cash was short and by the time cashflow improved the run was sold out. As othere have, Ive compared mine to a numbered one and its identical in every way apart from the numbers / sig of course - it was done by the same people. I wont ever sell it, its framed and hangs in my kitchen so I see it everday as I ahve the past 4 years. So no fear of it being numbered and sold for millions... LOL
As for checking the numbers against the purchaser... well thats all fine if you buy one off the first owner, but as prints change hands the 'list' will make no sense... Also POW didnt complete the lists for canvases afaik - or they didnt when I was there buying other artists' canvases. Perhaps the forum should start to complie a database of who owns what which can be checked by potential buyers for a small fee?
As for value... well its the same image, printed the same way by the same people... in my book thats better than a copy or a photo, or a poster. And makes it worth whatever someone will pay for it... ebay is the way for this....
Thinly veiled sales ad or not, maybe we should have a sticky thread entitled 'backdoor beauties' and refer any new threads about them to the definitive and leave it at that... its too emotive a subject to keep raking up...
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by tadghostal on Jun 29, 2007 23:43:51 GMT 1, The artist/print house own the image, paid the costs associated with the item's production, and never authorized its removal and/or sale. Seems to be pretty clearly stolen property.
And isn't it against the rules to sell stolen goods on ebay? For example, if an entire print run was numbered, then anything that is not numbered (I'd include A/P, P/P as "numbered") is obviously back door, and its origins are spurious.
What do the rest of you think?
(here is what got me thinking . . . tinyurl.com/2n6mj2 )
The artist/print house own the image, paid the costs associated with the item's production, and never authorized its removal and/or sale. Seems to be pretty clearly stolen property. And isn't it against the rules to sell stolen goods on ebay? For example, if an entire print run was numbered, then anything that is not numbered (I'd include A/P, P/P as "numbered") is obviously back door, and its origins are spurious. What do the rest of you think? (here is what got me thinking . . . tinyurl.com/2n6mj2 ) |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by manchestermike on Jun 29, 2007 23:45:39 GMT 1, How expensive is his stuff?!?!
How expensive is his stuff?!?!
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by ABC on Jun 29, 2007 23:51:43 GMT 1, The thing is, unless the owner reports them stolen to ebay then there is Jack shit anyone can do. I think the term Back door print has been given to all prints that don't have numbers or sigs. IMO not all are stolen from the printers, In the case of Banksy prints a lot were nicked, but there were also a lot of test prints etc etc that were given out by Mr b himself to friends.
The thing is, unless the owner reports them stolen to ebay then there is Jack shit anyone can do. I think the term Back door print has been given to all prints that don't have numbers or sigs. IMO not all are stolen from the printers, In the case of Banksy prints a lot were nicked, but there were also a lot of test prints etc etc that were given out by Mr b himself to friends.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by tadghostal on Jun 30, 2007 0:18:55 GMT 1, How expensive is his stuff?!?!
A numbered print from the POW edition just sold at 147. This seller is not only selling garbage goods, but he's attempting to gouge like crazy.
And I hear you ABC. There are certain instances where it might not be stolen, but some of these just seem blatantly wrong.
Not a big deal as I wouldn't buy it, but still a bit irritating to know there are people out there like that. And quite a few of them, it seems.
How expensive is his stuff?!?! A numbered print from the POW edition just sold at 147. This seller is not only selling garbage goods, but he's attempting to gouge like crazy. And I hear you ABC. There are certain instances where it might not be stolen, but some of these just seem blatantly wrong. Not a big deal as I wouldn't buy it, but still a bit irritating to know there are people out there like that. And quite a few of them, it seems. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by dgb133 on Jun 30, 2007 1:19:30 GMT 1, Those prints should really be destroyed without a doubt. It's definitely unethical to give those prints away and a diservice to people who bought the regular edition as it waters down the editions. Illegal I don't know. Probably so technically speaking.
But it seems like a victimless crime, ...kind of like punching someone in the dark. 
I don't follow Dolk though but 300 for a backdoor print? Wow, that seems pretty stupid.
Those prints should really be destroyed without a doubt. It's definitely unethical to give those prints away and a diservice to people who bought the regular edition as it waters down the editions. Illegal I don't know. Probably so technically speaking. But it seems like a victimless crime, ...kind of like punching someone in the dark. I don't follow Dolk though but 300 for a backdoor print? Wow, that seems pretty stupid. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Ripper1331 on Jun 30, 2007 2:40:07 GMT 1, I wouldn't think that a print with no signature, number or a stamp in POWs case would be worth anything.
I'm sure that a lot of the backdoor ones aren't just taken by the printers as you have more printed than the run in case some are damaged or not perfect. Usually you would order an extra 10% or so. Once you have completed the run and shipped them all out the extras would just be extras and I'm sure a few people went home with them.
I wouldn't think that a print with no signature, number or a stamp in POWs case would be worth anything.
I'm sure that a lot of the backdoor ones aren't just taken by the printers as you have more printed than the run in case some are damaged or not perfect. Usually you would order an extra 10% or so. Once you have completed the run and shipped them all out the extras would just be extras and I'm sure a few people went home with them.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by tadghostal on Jun 30, 2007 2:45:00 GMT 1, But it seems like a victimless crime, ...kind of like punching someone in the dark.
Ha! Genius line.
And on that note, I'm out for a night on the town. See you all around next week.
But it seems like a victimless crime, ...kind of like punching someone in the dark. Ha! Genius line. And on that note, I'm out for a night on the town. See you all around next week. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by rob123rob on Jun 30, 2007 3:39:01 GMT 1, it's not stealing if you pay for it, but I guess it depends on who you are paying
it's not stealing if you pay for it, but I guess it depends on who you are paying
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by corblimeylimey on Jun 30, 2007 13:37:06 GMT 1, I love the description on that Dolk, "there is a small green print mark on the bottom left hand side. You can't see it at all but it is there."
Followed by a couple of pics showing the green mark. I could see it ;D ;D ;D
I love the description on that Dolk, "there is a small green print mark on the bottom left hand side. You can't see it at all but it is there."
Followed by a couple of pics showing the green mark. I could see it ;D ;D ;D
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by mcster on Mar 31, 2008 17:34:52 GMT 1, I was chatting on the phone today to the guy that does my framing, who mentioned he'd had someone come into his shop with a load of Banksy prints to frame. None were signed or numbered, but they came with an email from POW stating they were genuine. Among them were Bomb Hugger, Queen Vic and Turf War. He said the owner wasn't sure of their value and he wondered if I had any idea. This guy has framed Banksy prints for years and is absolutely convinced that they are genuine. I've never bought prints like that aren't signed or numbered so I haven't a clue what they are worth, but I love the Bomb Hugger print and was thinking of making the owner an offer for it as I would imagine it's the only way I'll ever be able to afford a copy. Anybody got any ideas where I should pitch it?
I was chatting on the phone today to the guy that does my framing, who mentioned he'd had someone come into his shop with a load of Banksy prints to frame. None were signed or numbered, but they came with an email from POW stating they were genuine. Among them were Bomb Hugger, Queen Vic and Turf War. He said the owner wasn't sure of their value and he wondered if I had any idea. This guy has framed Banksy prints for years and is absolutely convinced that they are genuine. I've never bought prints like that aren't signed or numbered so I haven't a clue what they are worth, but I love the Bomb Hugger print and was thinking of making the owner an offer for it as I would imagine it's the only way I'll ever be able to afford a copy. Anybody got any ideas where I should pitch it?
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by killerkellah on Mar 31, 2008 17:39:57 GMT 1, hard to say mate, POW could turn around and deny all knowledge... rendering them worthless.
hard to say mate, POW could turn around and deny all knowledge... rendering them worthless.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by mcster on Mar 31, 2008 17:43:52 GMT 1, That's exactly what worried me. Apparently the person had been given them ages ago and wasn't really too much of a fan. I don't want to take advantage with a silly low offer, but equally I don't want to pay through the nose for something that's worthless. I think I'll pop tomorrow and go with my instinct on whether to make an offer or not.
That's exactly what worried me. Apparently the person had been given them ages ago and wasn't really too much of a fan. I don't want to take advantage with a silly low offer, but equally I don't want to pay through the nose for something that's worthless. I think I'll pop tomorrow and go with my instinct on whether to make an offer or not.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by spirit on Mar 31, 2008 17:50:34 GMT 1, If they are back door prints then they are worth whatever you are willing to pay to have them hanging on your wall - but in terms of resale value you should consider them basically worthless I reckon - although there will probably always be someone who might pay 100/200 for them.
If they are back door prints then they are worth whatever you are willing to pay to have them hanging on your wall - but in terms of resale value you should consider them basically worthless I reckon - although there will probably always be someone who might pay 100/200 for them.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by BONGO on Mar 31, 2008 17:53:55 GMT 1, BONGO RECENTLY ASKED FOR DETAILS OF A GOLF SALE FOR SALE
SELLER TOLD BONGO IT WAS NOW SOLD, BUT HIS "FRIEND" ALSO HAD ONE WITH PROV FOR SALE
"FRIEND" EMAILED BONGO DIRECTLY WITHIN A HALF HOUR, OFFERING GOLF SALE MENTIONING HE HAD COPIES OF ORIGINAL POW PAPERWORK INCLUDING NUMBER. NOT ORIGINAL, BUT COPY OF ORIGINAL
SADLY, THE SAME "FRIEND" HAD OFFERED BONGO A HANDFUL OF BACK DOOR PRINTS 18 MONTHS EARLIER FOR £100 EACH - INCLUDING 3 UNNUMBERED GOLF SALES - "FRIEND" DID NOT KNOW WHO BONGO WAS , AS BONGO HAS MORE THAN ONE EMAIL ADDRESS
"FRIEND" IS BAD MAN. INDEED, BONGO HAS SUSPICION THAT " FRIEND" IS ACTUALLY THE SAME PERSON AS ORIGINAL SELLER
ALL ITS TAKES IS A HANDFUL OF BACKDOOR PRINTS, ONE DOCUMENTED ORIGINAL AND A SLOW OSMOSIS LIKE RELEASE OF RECENTLY SAME NUMBERED PRINTS ONTO MARKET.
BACK DOOR IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS NUMBERED RUN APART FROM THE NUMBER. VERY EASY TO FALL INTO TRAP
BONGO RECENTLY ASKED FOR DETAILS OF A GOLF SALE FOR SALE
SELLER TOLD BONGO IT WAS NOW SOLD, BUT HIS "FRIEND" ALSO HAD ONE WITH PROV FOR SALE
"FRIEND" EMAILED BONGO DIRECTLY WITHIN A HALF HOUR, OFFERING GOLF SALE MENTIONING HE HAD COPIES OF ORIGINAL POW PAPERWORK INCLUDING NUMBER. NOT ORIGINAL, BUT COPY OF ORIGINAL
SADLY, THE SAME "FRIEND" HAD OFFERED BONGO A HANDFUL OF BACK DOOR PRINTS 18 MONTHS EARLIER FOR £100 EACH - INCLUDING 3 UNNUMBERED GOLF SALES - "FRIEND" DID NOT KNOW WHO BONGO WAS , AS BONGO HAS MORE THAN ONE EMAIL ADDRESS
"FRIEND" IS BAD MAN. INDEED, BONGO HAS SUSPICION THAT " FRIEND" IS ACTUALLY THE SAME PERSON AS ORIGINAL SELLER
ALL ITS TAKES IS A HANDFUL OF BACKDOOR PRINTS, ONE DOCUMENTED ORIGINAL AND A SLOW OSMOSIS LIKE RELEASE OF RECENTLY SAME NUMBERED PRINTS ONTO MARKET.
BACK DOOR IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS NUMBERED RUN APART FROM THE NUMBER. VERY EASY TO FALL INTO TRAP
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by mcster on Mar 31, 2008 17:54:11 GMT 1, I'll offer a couple of hundread quid for it in that case, assuming I'm convinced of it being authentic. I was looking to keep it rather than selling on, so it wouldn't really matter what the resale value was.
I'll offer a couple of hundread quid for it in that case, assuming I'm convinced of it being authentic. I was looking to keep it rather than selling on, so it wouldn't really matter what the resale value was.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by mcster on Mar 31, 2008 17:57:03 GMT 1, BONGO RECENTLY ASKED FOR DETAILS OF A GOLF SALE FOR SALE SELLER TOLD BONGO IT WAS NOW SOLD, BUT HIS "FRIEND" ALSO HAD ONE WITH PROV FOR SALE "FRIEND" EMAILED BONGO DIRECTLY WITHIN A HALF HOUR, OFFERING GOLF SALE MENTIONING HE HAD COPIES OF ORIGINAL POW PAPERWORK INCLUDING NUMBER. NOT ORIGINAL, BUT COPY OF ORIGINAL SADLY, THE SAME "FRIEND" HAD OFFERED BONGO A HANDFUL OF BACK DOOR PRINTS 18 MONTHS EARLIER FOR £100 EACH - INCLUDING 3 UNNUMBERED GOLF SALES - "FRIEND" DID NOT KNOW WHO BONGO WAS , AS BONGO HAS MORE THAN ONE EMAIL ADDRESS "FRIEND" IS BAD MAN. INDEED, BONGO HAS SUSPICION THAT " FRIEND" IS ACTUALLY THE SAME PERSON AS ORIGINAL SELLER ALL ITS TAKES IS A HANDFUL OF BACKDOOR PRINTS, ONE DOCUMENTED ORIGINAL AND A SLOW OSMOSIS LIKE RELEASE OF RECENTLY SAME NUMBERED PRINTS ONTO MARKET. BACK DOOR IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS NUMBERED RUN APART FROM THE NUMBER. VERY EASY TO FALL INTO TRAP
Emm, it's not a trap I really want to fall into then. I may just give it a miss then...
BONGO RECENTLY ASKED FOR DETAILS OF A GOLF SALE FOR SALE SELLER TOLD BONGO IT WAS NOW SOLD, BUT HIS "FRIEND" ALSO HAD ONE WITH PROV FOR SALE "FRIEND" EMAILED BONGO DIRECTLY WITHIN A HALF HOUR, OFFERING GOLF SALE MENTIONING HE HAD COPIES OF ORIGINAL POW PAPERWORK INCLUDING NUMBER. NOT ORIGINAL, BUT COPY OF ORIGINAL SADLY, THE SAME "FRIEND" HAD OFFERED BONGO A HANDFUL OF BACK DOOR PRINTS 18 MONTHS EARLIER FOR £100 EACH - INCLUDING 3 UNNUMBERED GOLF SALES - "FRIEND" DID NOT KNOW WHO BONGO WAS , AS BONGO HAS MORE THAN ONE EMAIL ADDRESS "FRIEND" IS BAD MAN. INDEED, BONGO HAS SUSPICION THAT " FRIEND" IS ACTUALLY THE SAME PERSON AS ORIGINAL SELLER ALL ITS TAKES IS A HANDFUL OF BACKDOOR PRINTS, ONE DOCUMENTED ORIGINAL AND A SLOW OSMOSIS LIKE RELEASE OF RECENTLY SAME NUMBERED PRINTS ONTO MARKET. BACK DOOR IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS NUMBERED RUN APART FROM THE NUMBER. VERY EASY TO FALL INTO TRAP Emm, it's not a trap I really want to fall into then. I may just give it a miss then... |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by mcster on Mar 31, 2008 18:01:35 GMT 1, So taking all of the points from everyone, buy it if I'm convinced, but be aware it could end up worthless. I love the Bomb Hugger image so much, it may be risk I'm prepared to take for a couple of hundred quid. Assuming the owner wants to sell it of course.
So taking all of the points from everyone, buy it if I'm convinced, but be aware it could end up worthless. I love the Bomb Hugger image so much, it may be risk I'm prepared to take for a couple of hundred quid. Assuming the owner wants to sell it of course.
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so that means there must be numerous editions of all the early prints. Mission Prints did all the early Banksy prints not POW. I cant see these being posters.
