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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Whitefish on Oct 14, 2018 17:10:05 GMT 1, Unfortunately this will take years maybe even decades before this execution on the ART WORLD will truly be realized. Great Play
Unfortunately this will take years maybe even decades before this execution on the ART WORLD will truly be realized. Great Play
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Mirus Gallery on Oct 15, 2018 6:13:48 GMT 1,
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Rouen Cathedral on Oct 15, 2018 12:06:49 GMT 1, Bambi destorys a banksy and she gets trashed. Banksy destroys a banksy and gets praised.
Just saying...
Bambi destorys a banksy and she gets trashed. Banksy destroys a banksy and gets praised.
Just saying...
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Happy Shopper on Oct 15, 2018 12:54:42 GMT 1, Bambi destorys a banksy and she gets trashed. Banksy destroys a banksy and gets praised. Just saying...
What's your point? 2 very different scenarios.
Bambi destorys a banksy and she gets trashed. Banksy destroys a banksy and gets praised. Just saying... What's your point? 2 very different scenarios. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Happy Shopper on Oct 15, 2018 13:03:19 GMT 1,
Comparing the paint splatters, under/over spray and other marks, it very much looks like the piece was genuinely shredded and not just hidden with a clever trick.
Comparing the paint splatters, under/over spray and other marks, it very much looks like the piece was genuinely shredded and not just hidden with a clever trick. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Fake on Oct 15, 2018 13:12:54 GMT 1, Comparing the paint splatters, under/over spray and other marks, it very much looks like the piece was genuinely shredded and not just hidden with a clever trick.
The most simple explanation is often the correct one. This piece is 100% shredded IMO.
Comparing the paint splatters, under/over spray and other marks, it very much looks like the piece was genuinely shredded and not just hidden with a clever trick. I agree! The most simple explanation is often the correct one. This piece is 100% shredded IMO. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Rouen Cathedral on Oct 15, 2018 14:05:31 GMT 1, Bambi destorys a banksy and she gets trashed. Banksy destroys a banksy and gets praised. Just saying... What's your point? 2 very different scenarios.
Not much different then the rauschenberg. No?
Bambi destorys a banksy and she gets trashed. Banksy destroys a banksy and gets praised. Just saying... What's your point? 2 very different scenarios. Not much different then the rauschenberg. No? |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Happy Shopper on Oct 15, 2018 14:13:38 GMT 1, What's your point? 2 very different scenarios. Not much different then the rauschenberg. No?
Bambi did a similar thing to Rauschenberg, destroying another artist's work... I think Chapman Brothers have also done that.
Banksy destroyed his own. I think that's different, no? And where and how he did it also matters.
What's your point? 2 very different scenarios. Not much different then the rauschenberg. No? Bambi did a similar thing to Rauschenberg, destroying another artist's work... I think Chapman Brothers have also done that. Banksy destroyed his own. I think that's different, no? And where and how he did it also matters. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Rouen Cathedral on Oct 15, 2018 14:17:21 GMT 1, Not much different then the rauschenberg. No? Bambi did a similar thing to Rauschenberg, destroying another artist's work... I think Chapman Brothers have also done that. Banksy destroyed his own. I think that's different, no? And where and how he did it also matters.
I agree it's different. But the posts above were comparing this banksy to the rauschenberg. That's how the Bambi relates.
Interesting idea about destruction. Is destroying your own work (banksy) > then destroying the work of another? (Rauschenberg, Bambi)
Sure the where and how matters. But that's another topic that many seem to be given the banksy a slide...
Man was Bambi ahead of the mark... Well behind rauschenberg but ahead of banksy? 😂😆
Not much different then the rauschenberg. No? Bambi did a similar thing to Rauschenberg, destroying another artist's work... I think Chapman Brothers have also done that. Banksy destroyed his own. I think that's different, no? And where and how he did it also matters. I agree it's different. But the posts above were comparing this banksy to the rauschenberg. That's how the Bambi relates. Interesting idea about destruction. Is destroying your own work (banksy) > then destroying the work of another? (Rauschenberg, Bambi) Sure the where and how matters. But that's another topic that many seem to be given the banksy a slide... Man was Bambi ahead of the mark... Well behind rauschenberg but ahead of banksy? 😂😆 |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Happy Shopper on Oct 15, 2018 14:35:09 GMT 1, Bambi did a similar thing to Rauschenberg, destroying another artist's work... I think Chapman Brothers have also done that. Banksy destroyed his own. I think that's different, no? And where and how he did it also matters. I agree it's different.... ... Man was Bambi ahead of the mark... Well behind rauschenberg but ahead of banksy? 😂😆
"Different" but also "ahead of banksy" ? They're not even similar IMO.
I don't remember what she did to be honest. Painted over a Banksy print wasn't it? Probably a WCP version... and far more like the sort of thing The Chapman Brothers regularly do than this Banksy stunt.
Bambi did a similar thing to Rauschenberg, destroying another artist's work... I think Chapman Brothers have also done that. Banksy destroyed his own. I think that's different, no? And where and how he did it also matters. I agree it's different.... ... Man was Bambi ahead of the mark... Well behind rauschenberg but ahead of banksy? 😂😆 "Different" but also "ahead of banksy" ? They're not even similar IMO. I don't remember what she did to be honest. Painted over a Banksy print wasn't it? Probably a WCP version... and far more like the sort of thing The Chapman Brothers regularly do than this Banksy stunt. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by skAcid on Oct 15, 2018 14:45:02 GMT 1, I agree it's different.... ... Man was Bambi ahead of the mark... Well behind rauschenberg but ahead of banksy? 😂😆 "Different" but also "ahead of banksy" ? They're not even similar IMO. I don't remember what she did to be honest. Painted over a Banksy print wasn't it? Probably a WCP version... and far more like the sort of thing The Chapman Brothers regularly do than this Banksy stunt. 
I agree it's different.... ... Man was Bambi ahead of the mark... Well behind rauschenberg but ahead of banksy? 😂😆 "Different" but also "ahead of banksy" ? They're not even similar IMO. I don't remember what she did to be honest. Painted over a Banksy print wasn't it? Probably a WCP version... and far more like the sort of thing The Chapman Brothers regularly do than this Banksy stunt. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Rouen Cathedral on Oct 15, 2018 15:00:46 GMT 1, "Different" but also "ahead of banksy" ? They're not even similar IMO. I don't remember what she did to be honest. Painted over a Banksy print wasn't it? Probably a WCP version... and far more like the sort of thing The Chapman Brothers regularly do than this Banksy stunt.
Oh the horror! Destroying a valauble banksy print!!!
Wait a minute... 😆😆😆
"Different" but also "ahead of banksy" ? They're not even similar IMO. I don't remember what she did to be honest. Painted over a Banksy print wasn't it? Probably a WCP version... and far more like the sort of thing The Chapman Brothers regularly do than this Banksy stunt. Oh the horror! Destroying a valauble banksy print!!! Wait a minute... 😆😆😆 |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Pysgod on Oct 15, 2018 15:27:32 GMT 1, Oh the horror! Destroying a valauble banksy print!!! Wait a minute... 😆😆😆
Oh the horror! Destroying a valauble banksy print!!! Wait a minute... 😆😆😆 Not that valuable considering the fact you could pick up a flags for £350/£400 at the time. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Happy Shopper on Oct 15, 2018 15:28:39 GMT 1, Oh the horror! Destroying a valauble banksy print!!! Wait a minute... 😆😆😆
You don't see the difference between a bad artist ruining a perfectly good print, and what Banksy did in front of a live auction?
Oh the horror! Destroying a valauble banksy print!!! Wait a minute... 😆😆😆 You don't see the difference between a bad artist ruining a perfectly good print, and what Banksy did in front of a live auction? |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Coach on Oct 15, 2018 15:33:05 GMT 1, Not much different then the rauschenberg. No? Bambi did a similar thing to Rauschenberg, destroying another artist's work... I think Chapman Brothers have also done that. Banksy destroyed his own. I think that's different, no? And where and how he did it also matters.
He knows that.
Not much different then the rauschenberg. No? Bambi did a similar thing to Rauschenberg, destroying another artist's work... I think Chapman Brothers have also done that. Banksy destroyed his own. I think that's different, no? And where and how he did it also matters. He knows that. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Rouen Cathedral on Oct 15, 2018 16:09:44 GMT 1, Oh the horror! Destroying a valauble banksy print!!! Wait a minute... 😆😆😆 You don't see the difference between a bad artist ruining a perfectly good print, and what Banksy did in front of a live auction?
I agreed there is a difference. But like I said my comment was in regards to the rauschenberg comparison and the idea of destruction to create art.
And I'm ignoring it for this conversation but the 'difference' ie location, means and methods is a whole other topic....
Concept is the same.
Only difference is the connotation. And your statement of 'bad artist's confirms that.
Whether you think she's a bad artist or not or you think she isn't very skilled. The concept is exactly the same as rauschenberg and similar to banksy. To dismiss that cause you think she is 'bad' is contradictory.
Oh the horror! Destroying a valauble banksy print!!! Wait a minute... 😆😆😆 You don't see the difference between a bad artist ruining a perfectly good print, and what Banksy did in front of a live auction? I agreed there is a difference. But like I said my comment was in regards to the rauschenberg comparison and the idea of destruction to create art. And I'm ignoring it for this conversation but the 'difference' ie location, means and methods is a whole other topic.... Concept is the same. Only difference is the connotation. And your statement of 'bad artist's confirms that. Whether you think she's a bad artist or not or you think she isn't very skilled. The concept is exactly the same as rauschenberg and similar to banksy. To dismiss that cause you think she is 'bad' is contradictory. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Rouen Cathedral on Oct 15, 2018 16:19:05 GMT 1, Oh the horror! Destroying a valauble banksy print!!! Wait a minute... 😆😆😆 Not that valuable considering the fact you could pick up a flags for £350/£400 at the time.
But this artwork is now worth double no?
So banksy didn't destroy anything...
Oh the horror! Destroying a valauble banksy print!!! Wait a minute... 😆😆😆 Not that valuable considering the fact you could pick up a flags for £350/£400 at the time. But this artwork is now worth double no? So banksy didn't destroy anything... |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 16:46:26 GMT 1, I don't really get that Bambi image.
What is that female astronaut supposed to be doing exactly? And how does that relate to the background Banksy image? What's the connection between the two?
I don't really get that Bambi image.
What is that female astronaut supposed to be doing exactly? And how does that relate to the background Banksy image? What's the connection between the two?
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 17:49:06 GMT 1, I don't really get that Bambi image. What is that female astronaut supposed to be doing exactly? And how does that relate to the background Banksy image? What's the connection between the two?
she is floating around in standard gravity, while showing off her ruby red lipstick (as you do) and carrying an old kodak instamatic and 2 little red sink plungers.
I think she maybe a plumber? off to do some plumbing while singing an old Sinatra song with subtitles
Brilliant, just brilliant, love a bit of Bambi
I don't really get that Bambi image. What is that female astronaut supposed to be doing exactly? And how does that relate to the background Banksy image? What's the connection between the two? she is floating around in standard gravity, while showing off her ruby red lipstick (as you do) and carrying an old kodak instamatic and 2 little red sink plungers. I think she maybe a plumber? off to do some plumbing while singing an old Sinatra song with subtitles Brilliant, just brilliant, love a bit of Bambi |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Chris JL on Oct 15, 2018 18:19:07 GMT 1,
After pondering this image for a while, my overall assessment is WTFF??!!
After pondering this image for a while, my overall assessment is WTFF??!! |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Happy Shopper on Oct 15, 2018 18:51:37 GMT 1, Not that valuable considering the fact you could pick up a flags for £350/£400 at the time. But this artwork is now worth double no? So banksy didn't destroy anything...
This is actually a good point.
He didn't destroy any artwork, he actually completed the artwork. The "destruction" was the art, not the painting. Discuss 
Not that valuable considering the fact you could pick up a flags for £350/£400 at the time. But this artwork is now worth double no? So banksy didn't destroy anything... This is actually a good point. He didn't destroy any artwork, he actually completed the artwork. The "destruction" was the art, not the painting. Discuss |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 20:16:01 GMT 1, But this artwork is now worth double no? So banksy didn't destroy anything... This is actually a good point. He didn't destroy any artwork, he actually completed the artwork. The "destruction" was the art, not the painting. Discuss
performance art
But this artwork is now worth double no? So banksy didn't destroy anything... This is actually a good point. He didn't destroy any artwork, he actually completed the artwork. The "destruction" was the art, not the painting. Discuss performance art |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Mirus Gallery on Oct 15, 2018 20:47:48 GMT 1, I think you need to read through the thread I posted earlier, on the comparison not to Rauschenburg but to Yves Klein. Gagosian posted a comparison of this piece to Rauschenburg that was critiqued In the twitter thread. I don't see the relationship to rauschenburg or any direct relationship to what his conceptual approach was to destroying the dekooning.
What Banksy did was not in any way associated with the same concept, other than a work being destroyed. There are no similarities in approach IMO. Also when entering this discussion with Raushenburg you are entering a new arena with which to compare their work with. The canon of those artists has already been discussed and documented at length in theory and concept. I like the comparison to Klein little better. "The staging of the economic value of a work of art through its destruction was much more aptly revealed - and parodically caricatured - in Yves Klein’s “Zone of Immaterial Pictorial Sensibility” piece".
In this piece actual destruction of the work completed the work. In Banksy case the destruction of the work leaves a work of art still. Destruction is not realized completely, it is only another evolution of the work of art. It actually gains value versus losing value. Which to me is why we cant compare artists like Klein and Rauschenburg to this work, as Banksy seems to want to keep this work intact.
These other artists actually set out to destroy something, whereas Banksy sets out to create a spectacle and create a new work. You can see the artist creating also an aesthetic new work with how and where the work stopped shredding. This seems to be a calculated rendering of a new image that keeps the original image still in focus. The work was never shredded completely falling to the floor. Its calculated ending is like a painter or sculpture using composition as tool, more than I see him using a purely conceptual approach. But this new work is just as commercially traceable as the original and thus no destruction took place only transformation. Maybe compare him to another artist, but not Rauschenburg.
I think you need to read through the thread I posted earlier, on the comparison not to Rauschenburg but to Yves Klein. Gagosian posted a comparison of this piece to Rauschenburg that was critiqued In the twitter thread. I don't see the relationship to rauschenburg or any direct relationship to what his conceptual approach was to destroying the dekooning.
What Banksy did was not in any way associated with the same concept, other than a work being destroyed. There are no similarities in approach IMO. Also when entering this discussion with Raushenburg you are entering a new arena with which to compare their work with. The canon of those artists has already been discussed and documented at length in theory and concept. I like the comparison to Klein little better. "The staging of the economic value of a work of art through its destruction was much more aptly revealed - and parodically caricatured - in Yves Klein’s “Zone of Immaterial Pictorial Sensibility” piece".
In this piece actual destruction of the work completed the work. In Banksy case the destruction of the work leaves a work of art still. Destruction is not realized completely, it is only another evolution of the work of art. It actually gains value versus losing value. Which to me is why we cant compare artists like Klein and Rauschenburg to this work, as Banksy seems to want to keep this work intact.
These other artists actually set out to destroy something, whereas Banksy sets out to create a spectacle and create a new work. You can see the artist creating also an aesthetic new work with how and where the work stopped shredding. This seems to be a calculated rendering of a new image that keeps the original image still in focus. The work was never shredded completely falling to the floor. Its calculated ending is like a painter or sculpture using composition as tool, more than I see him using a purely conceptual approach. But this new work is just as commercially traceable as the original and thus no destruction took place only transformation. Maybe compare him to another artist, but not Rauschenburg.
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Not 4 The Thril on Oct 15, 2018 21:04:33 GMT 1, to me it doesnt really matter if banksy put the shredder in 6years ago or 2 weeks ago. it doesnt matter to me if the auction house was in on it or not. its a funny stunt that is exactly on brand with what banksy represents.
as far as trying to break down the blade sizes in the video to the way the paper was shredded- who cares. banksy is great at telling his story his own way. that video looks way cooler with him making it from scratch than it would if he went to the store bought a home paper shredder took it apart and stuck it in a frame. he controls his own narrative. he doesnt care about destroying his own work-- i think he just cares about creating a conversation about something or a subject that a lot of people wouldnt pay attention to otherwise.
to me it doesnt really matter if banksy put the shredder in 6years ago or 2 weeks ago. it doesnt matter to me if the auction house was in on it or not. its a funny stunt that is exactly on brand with what banksy represents.
as far as trying to break down the blade sizes in the video to the way the paper was shredded- who cares. banksy is great at telling his story his own way. that video looks way cooler with him making it from scratch than it would if he went to the store bought a home paper shredder took it apart and stuck it in a frame. he controls his own narrative. he doesnt care about destroying his own work-- i think he just cares about creating a conversation about something or a subject that a lot of people wouldnt pay attention to otherwise.
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Rouen Cathedral on Oct 16, 2018 0:00:32 GMT 1, For those aruging this is some conceptual genius of destorys to create more valuable artwork.
Why is banksy making his art more valuable to the elite buyers of his work that he supposively dispises? And doing so for the biggest auction house in the world which he also supposively dispises?
For those aruging this is some conceptual genius of destorys to create more valuable artwork.
Why is banksy making his art more valuable to the elite buyers of his work that he supposively dispises? And doing so for the biggest auction house in the world which he also supposively dispises?
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by iamzero on Oct 16, 2018 16:54:03 GMT 1, For those aruging this is some conceptual genius of destorys to create more valuable artwork. Why is banksy making his art more valuable to the elite buyers of his work that he supposively dispises? And doing so for the biggest auction house in the world which he also supposively dispises?
I guess there’s no point in championing the causes you believe in without the funds to do it. If you sell a piece to a wealth collector you can take that money and help the people that you think are deserving of that wealth.
For those aruging this is some conceptual genius of destorys to create more valuable artwork. Why is banksy making his art more valuable to the elite buyers of his work that he supposively dispises? And doing so for the biggest auction house in the world which he also supposively dispises? I guess there’s no point in championing the causes you believe in without the funds to do it. If you sell a piece to a wealth collector you can take that money and help the people that you think are deserving of that wealth. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 16:58:58 GMT 1, For those aruging this is some conceptual genius of destorys to create more valuable artwork. Why is banksy making his art more valuable to the elite buyers of his work that he supposively dispises? And doing so for the biggest auction house in the world which he also supposively dispises? I guess there’s no point in championing the causes you believe in without the funds to do it. If you sell a piece to a wealth collector you can take that money and help the people that you think are deserving of that wealth.
and call them names as you do it
it doesn't get better than that !!
does it?
For those aruging this is some conceptual genius of destorys to create more valuable artwork. Why is banksy making his art more valuable to the elite buyers of his work that he supposively dispises? And doing so for the biggest auction house in the world which he also supposively dispises? I guess there’s no point in championing the causes you believe in without the funds to do it. If you sell a piece to a wealth collector you can take that money and help the people that you think are deserving of that wealth. and call them names as you do it it doesn't get better than that !! does it? |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by iamzero on Oct 16, 2018 17:21:33 GMT 1, I guess if I were a multi millionaire and wanted a piece of Banksy artwork... I wouldn’t care what names you called me. I’m sure I’d get over it by relaxing on a sun lounger in the Maldives.
I guess if I were a multi millionaire and wanted a piece of Banksy artwork... I wouldn’t care what names you called me. I’m sure I’d get over it by relaxing on a sun lounger in the Maldives.
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Rouen Cathedral on Oct 16, 2018 17:32:58 GMT 1, For those aruging this is some conceptual genius of destorys to create more valuable artwork. Why is banksy making his art more valuable to the elite buyers of his work that he supposively dispises? And doing so for the biggest auction house in the world which he also supposively dispises? I guess there’s no point in championing the causes you believe in without the funds to do it. If you sell a piece to a wealth collector you can take that money and help the people that you think are deserving of that wealth.
But that's not what happened here.
Banksy isn't seeing the direct funds from this sale.
For those aruging this is some conceptual genius of destorys to create more valuable artwork. Why is banksy making his art more valuable to the elite buyers of his work that he supposively dispises? And doing so for the biggest auction house in the world which he also supposively dispises? I guess there’s no point in championing the causes you believe in without the funds to do it. If you sell a piece to a wealth collector you can take that money and help the people that you think are deserving of that wealth. But that's not what happened here. Banksy isn't seeing the direct funds from this sale. |
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