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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by Cookiemonster on Aug 22, 2018 15:58:33 GMT 1, OK, what is the meaning of it? Lots of meanings to that one, its whatever the person sees or wants to see. Also if you know the history of the country you will see a lot more in it. You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
OK, what is the meaning of it? Lots of meanings to that one, its whatever the person sees or wants to see. Also if you know the history of the country you will see a lot more in it. You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by Happy Shopper on Aug 22, 2018 16:18:19 GMT 1, Lots of meanings to that one, its whatever the person sees or wants to see. Also if you know the history of the country you will see a lot more in it. You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
Doesn't seem complicated to understand to me.
Lots of meanings to that one, its whatever the person sees or wants to see. Also if you know the history of the country you will see a lot more in it. You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
Can you not take a guess at the meaning of a donkey getting it's ID checked by a soldier in Palestine? Doesn't seem complicated to understand to me. |
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by Cookiemonster on Aug 22, 2018 16:24:34 GMT 1, You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
Can you not take a guess at the meaning of a donkey getting it's ID checked by a soldier in Palestine? Doesn't seem complicated to understand to me. Not me making sweeping statements, and he can speak for himself as well as all of those "down there".
You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
Can you not take a guess at the meaning of a donkey getting it's ID checked by a soldier in Palestine? Doesn't seem complicated to understand to me. Not me making sweeping statements, and he can speak for himself as well as all of those "down there".
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 16:31:32 GMT 1, hahaha, my fucked up mind always triggers the monty python sketch when i hear 'down there'
hahaha, my fucked up mind always triggers the monty python sketch when i hear 'down there'
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by irl1 on Aug 22, 2018 17:41:46 GMT 1, Lots of meanings to that one, its whatever the person sees or wants to see. Also if you know the history of the country you will see a lot more in it. You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
Don't try take me for a dickhead, silly i might be, as anyone who knows me will tell you, a dickhead i am not
Lots of meanings to that one, its whatever the person sees or wants to see. Also if you know the history of the country you will see a lot more in it. You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
Let me "not" answer you again . Lets put it this way without being rude. I see what your trying to do, i might not be as educated as you on Banksy, but i'm married into a Muslim family and i know a lot more about down there than you might think i know. The "i presume you mean the Palestinians bit", no i'm talking about everyone down there, both sides, but yes more so the Palestinian side. Don't try take me for a dickhead, silly i might be, as anyone who knows me will tell you, a dickhead i am not |
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by irl1 on Aug 22, 2018 17:53:33 GMT 1, You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
Can you not take a guess at the meaning of a donkey getting it's ID checked by a soldier in Palestine? Doesn't seem complicated to understand to me.
You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
Can you not take a guess at the meaning of a donkey getting it's ID checked by a soldier in Palestine? Doesn't seem complicated to understand to me. Thanks, maybe the idea of the picture is a bit vague for him |
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by Peter Bengtsen on Aug 22, 2018 18:31:07 GMT 1, "Back up for sale" doesn't seem quite right considering the co-owners - at the time of purchase MultiplesInc Projects (Peter Hvidberg) and Still Kicking Gallery (Bรถrje Bengtsson and Kenneth Witt) - have been trying to shift this piece since 2014.
"Back up for sale" doesn't seem quite right considering the co-owners - at the time of purchase MultiplesInc Projects (Peter Hvidberg) and Still Kicking Gallery (Bรถrje Bengtsson and Kenneth Witt) - have been trying to shift this piece since 2014.
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by irl1 on Aug 22, 2018 18:54:44 GMT 1, "Back up for sale" doesn't seem quite right considering the co-owners - at the time of purchase MultiplesInc Projects (Peter Hvidberg) and Still Kicking Gallery (Bรถrje Bengtsson and Kenneth Witt) - have been trying to shift this piece since 2014.
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I would have thought a Banksy piece like this would sell quicker than 3 to 4 years.
"Back up for sale" doesn't seem quite right considering the co-owners - at the time of purchase MultiplesInc Projects (Peter Hvidberg) and Still Kicking Gallery (Bรถrje Bengtsson and Kenneth Witt) - have been trying to shift this piece since 2014.
Thank you for your post Peter Bengtsen. Their not making a good job of selling it . I would have thought a Banksy piece like this would sell quicker than 3 to 4 years. |
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by Peter Bengtsen on Aug 22, 2018 18:56:26 GMT 1, Peter Hvidberg standing on a piece of wall in a warehouse in Malmรถ:
Peter Hvidberg standing on a piece of wall in a warehouse in Malmรถ:
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by Peter Bengtsen on Aug 22, 2018 19:14:25 GMT 1, "Back up for sale" doesn't seem quite right considering the co-owners - at the time of purchase MultiplesInc Projects (Peter Hvidberg) and Still Kicking Gallery (Bรถrje Bengtsson and Kenneth Witt) - have been trying to shift this piece since 2014.
Thank you for your post Peter Bengtsen. Their not making a good job of selling it . I would have thought a Banksy piece like this would sell quicker than 3 to 4 years.
Is it a Banksy piece, though?
No major auction house will touch pieces ripped from the street, in part because these will usually not get a certificate of authenticity from Pest Control. IF a certificate of authenticity were to be given for a removed street piece, it would confirm not only that the street work was originally by Banksy, but also that the removed object is still to be considered a work of art in its current form. From a market point of view this is important because site-specific artworks, which the donkey painting is a clear example of, are arguably ruined once removed, and so should no longer necessarily be considered a work of art by the initial creator.
Most collectors would be apprehensive about paying large sums of money for work that is not authenticated. Add to the above question about the object's questionable status as art the concern that the wall piece for sale could be an outright forgery.
In lieu of formal authentication, sellers will often provide other types of provenance, e.g. images of the removed piece at its original site, images/video of the removal process, documentation on the artist's website/social media of the work being created, etc. While such documentation may seem convincing, it does not remove concerns about the object's status as art created by a specific author (rather than simply a piece of wall with some paint on it). It also does not ensure that the object the buyer receives is not a forged copy of the original street work.
These are some of the reasons decontextualised street artworks tend to not fare well on the art market. Another reason, as stated by godโs ultimate noise, is that most people who are into this type of art believe that street artworks belong in the street where they were made.
Edit: I wrote a book chapter about this a few years back, which is freely available here.
"Back up for sale" doesn't seem quite right considering the co-owners - at the time of purchase MultiplesInc Projects (Peter Hvidberg) and Still Kicking Gallery (Bรถrje Bengtsson and Kenneth Witt) - have been trying to shift this piece since 2014.
Thank you for your post Peter Bengtsen. Their not making a good job of selling it . I would have thought a Banksy piece like this would sell quicker than 3 to 4 years. Is it a Banksy piece, though?
No major auction house will touch pieces ripped from the street, in part because these will usually not get a certificate of authenticity from Pest Control. IF a certificate of authenticity were to be given for a removed street piece, it would confirm not only that the street work was originally by Banksy, but also that the removed object is still to be considered a work of art in its current form. From a market point of view this is important because site-specific artworks, which the donkey painting is a clear example of, are arguably ruined once removed, and so should no longer necessarily be considered a work of art by the initial creator.
Most collectors would be apprehensive about paying large sums of money for work that is not authenticated. Add to the above question about the object's questionable status as art the concern that the wall piece for sale could be an outright forgery.
In lieu of formal authentication, sellers will often provide other types of provenance, e.g. images of the removed piece at its original site, images/video of the removal process, documentation on the artist's website/social media of the work being created, etc. While such documentation may seem convincing, it does not remove concerns about the object's status as art created by a specific author (rather than simply a piece of wall with some paint on it). It also does not ensure that the object the buyer receives is not a forged copy of the original street work.
These are some of the reasons decontextualised street artworks tend to not fare well on the art market. Another reason, as stated by godโs ultimate noise, is that most people who are into this type of art believe that street artworks belong in the street where they were made.
Edit: I wrote a book chapter about this a few years back, which is freely available here.
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by bjoern on Aug 23, 2018 8:19:24 GMT 1, Yes the Stop and Search is behind glass in a shop run most of the time by two young boys, selling Banksy and Palestinian souvenirs There were two versions of Girl frisking soldier painted by Banksy (prefer to use the name Stop & Search for Stop & Search). The main difference were the rifle that was on different sides.
Yes the Stop and Search is behind glass in a shop run most of the time by two young boys, selling Banksy and Palestinian souvenirs There were two versions of Girl frisking soldier painted by Banksy (prefer to use the name Stop & Search for Stop & Search). The main difference were the rifle that was on different sides. I know & saw the one which is now surrounded by a gift shop... where was the other stolen one originally painted? |
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 18:43:57 GMT 1, More meaning in this than most apart from Stop and Search, and look where that one is now. Most people that go down there don't even know where it is, and never get to see it. Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there. Don't get me wrong i love them all and hate to see any of them being taken from any part of the World OK, what is the meaning of it?
Can I have a go?
i like these games
I think (and I could very well be wrong) that the Israeli army view Palestinians as animals or vermin, though it can't really be vermin as its a Donkey or Mule, so I am now quite certain this is wrong
So looking again, its a picture of a soldier asking for id from a donkey or mule!!
Mary was on a mule or Donkey a few years back? does that have anything to do with it? The donkey Mary was on could just maybe be an ancestor of this Mule and the soldier is trying to ascertain this before making a fool of himself by bringing the donkey in for questioning
The soldier thinks the donkey may have a Palestinian hidden in its somewhere so needs to question the donkey?
(time now to cheat)
Is it as i have just googled a satirical view of how stringent israeli security is?
My reason was better (maybe)
More meaning in this than most apart from Stop and Search, and look where that one is now. Most people that go down there don't even know where it is, and never get to see it. Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there. Don't get me wrong i love them all and hate to see any of them being taken from any part of the World OK, what is the meaning of it? Can I have a go? i like these games I think (and I could very well be wrong) that the Israeli army view Palestinians as animals or vermin, though it can't really be vermin as its a Donkey or Mule, so I am now quite certain this is wrong So looking again, its a picture of a soldier asking for id from a donkey or mule!! Mary was on a mule or Donkey a few years back? does that have anything to do with it? The donkey Mary was on could just maybe be an ancestor of this Mule and the soldier is trying to ascertain this before making a fool of himself by bringing the donkey in for questioning The soldier thinks the donkey may have a Palestinian hidden in its somewhere so needs to question the donkey? (time now to cheat) Is it as i have just googled a satirical view of how stringent israeli security is? My reason was better (maybe) |
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by scott134 on Jul 10, 2020 9:09:39 GMT 1, Just noticed this going live on Artsy:
www.artsy.net/artwork/banksy-donkey-documents-2
Haha, imagine the shipping costs on getting the 'composite wall' transported. Also it says it was 'salvaged' from Bethlehem -- probably more like drilled / cut out of the building structure.
Just noticed this going live on Artsy: www.artsy.net/artwork/banksy-donkey-documents-2Haha, imagine the shipping costs on getting the 'composite wall' transported. Also it says it was 'salvaged' from Bethlehem -- probably more like drilled / cut out of the building structure. |
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by lv90210 on Jul 10, 2020 9:10:58 GMT 1, Just noticed this going live on Artsy: www.artsy.net/artwork/banksy-donkey-documents-2Haha, imagine the shipping costs on getting the 'composite wall' transported. Also it says it was 'salvaged' from Bethlehem -- probably more like drilled / cut out of the building structure.
Just noticed this going live on Artsy: www.artsy.net/artwork/banksy-donkey-documents-2Haha, imagine the shipping costs on getting the 'composite wall' transported. Also it says it was 'salvaged' from Bethlehem -- probably more like drilled / cut out of the building structure. Its been for sale for ages. |
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by Beibo on Jul 10, 2020 9:44:35 GMT 1, I don't understand how you can do that? ask someone for permission? Or do they go at night and do it in the dark? (in that case it is a crime) I don't understand, whenever I have seen something like that I ask myself
I don't understand how you can do that? ask someone for permission? Or do they go at night and do it in the dark? (in that case it is a crime) I don't understand, whenever I have seen something like that I ask myself
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by Peter Bengtsen on Jul 10, 2020 10:28:53 GMT 1,
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by Easy-Z on Jul 10, 2020 17:53:03 GMT 1, Is there a link to this documentary? I haven't seen this one.
Is there a link to this documentary? I haven't seen this one. |
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by Daniel Silk on Nov 20, 2024 1:39:38 GMT 1,
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by Daniel Silk on Nov 20, 2024 1:41:47 GMT 1,
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by This is not a watermelon on Nov 20, 2024 1:54:35 GMT 1, Daniel- Peter Hvidberg believes supporters of Palestine are "terrorist sympathisers." His words. Pretty ironic when you look at his collection of Banksy stuff. ๐ฉ
Daniel- Peter Hvidberg believes supporters of Palestine are "terrorist sympathisers." His words. Pretty ironic when you look at his collection of Banksy stuff. ๐ฉ
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by mojo on Nov 20, 2024 2:08:32 GMT 1, Daniel- Peter Hvidberg believes supporters of Palestine are "terrorist sympathisers." His words. Pretty ironic when you look at his collection of Banksy stuff. ๐ฉ
Daniel- Peter Hvidberg believes supporters of Palestine are "terrorist sympathisers." His words. Pretty ironic when you look at his collection of Banksy stuff. ๐ฉ |
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by Onket on Nov 20, 2024 19:30:13 GMT 1, Daniel- Peter Hvidberg believes supporters of Palestine are "terrorist sympathisers." His words. Pretty ironic when you look at his collection of Banksy stuff. ๐ฉ
A fucking hypocrite too.
Daniel- Peter Hvidberg believes supporters of Palestine are "terrorist sympathisers." His words. Pretty ironic when you look at his collection of Banksy stuff. ๐ฉ What a p*ick. A fucking hypocrite too. |
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Banksy โข Donkey Documents wall from Palestine, by PC Baby on Nov 20, 2024 20:06:22 GMT 1, Daniel- Peter Hvidberg believes supporters of Palestine are "terrorist sympathisers." His words. Pretty ironic when you look at his collection of Banksy stuff. ๐ฉ
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Daniel- Peter Hvidberg believes supporters of Palestine are "terrorist sympathisers." His words. Pretty ironic when you look at his collection of Banksy stuff. ๐ฉ Luckily, Daniel Silk, our choice here is not to watch it. ๐จ โธ๐โฎ |
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