touchdowntodd
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by touchdowntodd on Jul 15, 2018 17:58:56 GMT 1, Luls at the people thinking RETNA actually planned this. Dude is not a marketing genius. He’s a loose cannon in a day and age where people eat thats**t up.
As u say.. They eat it up
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And u don't think it's planned?
For the record, last print sat nearly a day.. The next will sell out in minutes imo. You guys are falling for it, and not thinking he, nor his team and print them all is smart enough..
This is 2018.. The entire world of social media is playing with your head. He keeps people talking about him on a near daily basis, in a genre he didn't create nor is he the master of imho.. That's not a mistake.. Not at all. In fact it's the best form of publicity, and it's free
Luls at the people thinking RETNA actually planned this. Dude is not a marketing genius. He’s a loose cannon in a day and age where people eat thats**t up. As u say.. They eat it up ... And u don't think it's planned? For the record, last print sat nearly a day.. The next will sell out in minutes imo. You guys are falling for it, and not thinking he, nor his team and print them all is smart enough.. This is 2018.. The entire world of social media is playing with your head. He keeps people talking about him on a near daily basis, in a genre he didn't create nor is he the master of imho.. That's not a mistake.. Not at all. In fact it's the best form of publicity, and it's free
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stelio
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by stelio on Jul 15, 2018 18:10:56 GMT 1, Luls at the people thinking RETNA actually planned this. Dude is not a marketing genius. He’s a loose cannon in a day and age where people eat thats**t up. As u say.. They eat it up ... And u don't think it's planned? For the record, last print sat nearly a day.. The next will sell out in minutes imo. You guys are falling for it, and not thinking he, nor his team and print them all is smart enough.. This is 2018.. The entire world of social media is playing with your head. He keeps people talking about him on a near daily basis, in a genre he didn't create nor is he the master of imho.. That's not a mistake.. Not at all. In fact it's the best form of publicity, and it's free
Nope, dont think it was planned. This looks like another moment where RETNA was “off his meds” again and went beefing with PTA. First post looked like he was upset about something, refused to sign the prints and jacked up the price as an f-you. Then a post saying he cutting ties with PTA.. why would PTA sign up for some BS stunt like that? Makes no sense.
Im sure someone later from RETNAs camp will try and claim its a stunt like they do anytime he goes off the rails.
Not buying it.
Luls at the people thinking RETNA actually planned this. Dude is not a marketing genius. He’s a loose cannon in a day and age where people eat thats**t up. As u say.. They eat it up ... And u don't think it's planned? For the record, last print sat nearly a day.. The next will sell out in minutes imo. You guys are falling for it, and not thinking he, nor his team and print them all is smart enough.. This is 2018.. The entire world of social media is playing with your head. He keeps people talking about him on a near daily basis, in a genre he didn't create nor is he the master of imho.. That's not a mistake.. Not at all. In fact it's the best form of publicity, and it's free Nope, dont think it was planned. This looks like another moment where RETNA was “off his meds” again and went beefing with PTA. First post looked like he was upset about something, refused to sign the prints and jacked up the price as an f-you. Then a post saying he cutting ties with PTA.. why would PTA sign up for some BS stunt like that? Makes no sense. Im sure someone later from RETNAs camp will try and claim its a stunt like they do anytime he goes off the rails. Not buying it.
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nighthawk
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by nighthawk on Jul 15, 2018 18:15:29 GMT 1, Luls at the people thinking RETNA actually planned this. Dude is not a marketing genius. He’s a loose cannon in a day and age where people eat thats**t up. As u say.. They eat it up ... And u don't think it's planned? For the record, last print sat nearly a day.. The next will sell out in minutes imo. You guys are falling for it, and not thinking he, nor his team and print them all is smart enough.. This is 2018.. The entire world of social media is playing with your head. He keeps people talking about him on a near daily basis, in a genre he didn't create nor is he the master of imho.. That's not a mistake.. Not at all. In fact it's the best form of publicity, and it's free
Agree with Stelio, I think he’s a loose cannon! I could be wrong, but I don’t see this “helping” his career at all.
And if it sells out immediately, it’s only because 30 galleries snap them up, to then re-sell later. It it was a run of 99, it would sit longer than the last release.
His IG presence has really turned me off his art.
Luls at the people thinking RETNA actually planned this. Dude is not a marketing genius. He’s a loose cannon in a day and age where people eat thats**t up. As u say.. They eat it up ... And u don't think it's planned? For the record, last print sat nearly a day.. The next will sell out in minutes imo. You guys are falling for it, and not thinking he, nor his team and print them all is smart enough.. This is 2018.. The entire world of social media is playing with your head. He keeps people talking about him on a near daily basis, in a genre he didn't create nor is he the master of imho.. That's not a mistake.. Not at all. In fact it's the best form of publicity, and it's free Agree with Stelio, I think he’s a loose cannon! I could be wrong, but I don’t see this “helping” his career at all. And if it sells out immediately, it’s only because 30 galleries snap them up, to then re-sell later. It it was a run of 99, it would sit longer than the last release. His IG presence has really turned me off his art.
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touchdowntodd
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by touchdowntodd on Jul 15, 2018 18:16:43 GMT 1, As u say.. They eat it up ... And u don't think it's planned? For the record, last print sat nearly a day.. The next will sell out in minutes imo. You guys are falling for it, and not thinking he, nor his team and print them all is smart enough.. This is 2018.. The entire world of social media is playing with your head. He keeps people talking about him on a near daily basis, in a genre he didn't create nor is he the master of imho.. That's not a mistake.. Not at all. In fact it's the best form of publicity, and it's free Nope, dont think it was planned. This looks like another moment where RETNA was “off his meds” again and went beefing with PTA. First post looked like he was upset about something, refused to sign the prints and jacked up the price as an f-you. Then a post saying he cutting ties with PTA.. why would PTA sign up for some BS stunt like that? Makes no sense. Im sure someone later from RETNAs camp will try and claim its a stunt like they do anytime he goes off the rails. Not buying it.
Have u spoken with pta? It's not bad media for them as is at all. They'll in fact get followers out of it, and look like they "fixed" the situation.. The print is in fact releasing...
Stop thinking ignorance can't be with purpose.. Or that this isnt all a mid day act out of boredom for hype and comments
As u say.. They eat it up ... And u don't think it's planned? For the record, last print sat nearly a day.. The next will sell out in minutes imo. You guys are falling for it, and not thinking he, nor his team and print them all is smart enough.. This is 2018.. The entire world of social media is playing with your head. He keeps people talking about him on a near daily basis, in a genre he didn't create nor is he the master of imho.. That's not a mistake.. Not at all. In fact it's the best form of publicity, and it's free Nope, dont think it was planned. This looks like another moment where RETNA was “off his meds” again and went beefing with PTA. First post looked like he was upset about something, refused to sign the prints and jacked up the price as an f-you. Then a post saying he cutting ties with PTA.. why would PTA sign up for some BS stunt like that? Makes no sense. Im sure someone later from RETNAs camp will try and claim its a stunt like they do anytime he goes off the rails. Not buying it. Have u spoken with pta? It's not bad media for them as is at all. They'll in fact get followers out of it, and look like they "fixed" the situation.. The print is in fact releasing... Stop thinking ignorance can't be with purpose.. Or that this isnt all a mid day act out of boredom for hype and comments
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touchdowntodd
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by touchdowntodd on Jul 15, 2018 18:21:25 GMT 1, As u say.. They eat it up ... And u don't think it's planned? For the record, last print sat nearly a day.. The next will sell out in minutes imo. You guys are falling for it, and not thinking he, nor his team and print them all is smart enough.. This is 2018.. The entire world of social media is playing with your head. He keeps people talking about him on a near daily basis, in a genre he didn't create nor is he the master of imho.. That's not a mistake.. Not at all. In fact it's the best form of publicity, and it's free Agree with Stelio, I think he’s a loose cannon! I could be wrong, but I don’t see this “helping” his career at all. And if it sells out immediately, it’s only because 30 galleries snap them up, to then re-sell later. It it was a run of 99, it would sit longer than the last release. His IG presence has really turned me off his art.
For every 1 like you that he's turning off. He's gaining thousands of followers, and potential customers...
Maybe it's because I work with social media in most of my jobs that I understand the positive of creating negative more than most people.. Look at 50 percent of current celebs, they're feeding off a once negative situation..
I'd love to see demographics on UK Vs us, and ages of people thinking this is real or fake.. I'm not young but working with social media as the young do, you'd be shocked what u see and how well it works
As u say.. They eat it up ... And u don't think it's planned? For the record, last print sat nearly a day.. The next will sell out in minutes imo. You guys are falling for it, and not thinking he, nor his team and print them all is smart enough.. This is 2018.. The entire world of social media is playing with your head. He keeps people talking about him on a near daily basis, in a genre he didn't create nor is he the master of imho.. That's not a mistake.. Not at all. In fact it's the best form of publicity, and it's free Agree with Stelio, I think he’s a loose cannon! I could be wrong, but I don’t see this “helping” his career at all. And if it sells out immediately, it’s only because 30 galleries snap them up, to then re-sell later. It it was a run of 99, it would sit longer than the last release. His IG presence has really turned me off his art. For every 1 like you that he's turning off. He's gaining thousands of followers, and potential customers... Maybe it's because I work with social media in most of my jobs that I understand the positive of creating negative more than most people.. Look at 50 percent of current celebs, they're feeding off a once negative situation.. I'd love to see demographics on UK Vs us, and ages of people thinking this is real or fake.. I'm not young but working with social media as the young do, you'd be shocked what u see and how well it works
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stelio
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by stelio on Jul 15, 2018 18:33:53 GMT 1, You make valid points my friend and I agree with you on the aspect of how much traction a negative campaign can gain over time. He like many have had success on feeding hate, sexism and overall just pure negativity. Its fuel for many.
Does he make random post at times to make hype... yes. Does that help him with followers and hype... yes.
But for whatever reason I don’t buy it here. I could be wrong. Its pure speculation on my part. That said, it will be my last directly about RETNA. Ive wasted too much time alone in this thread talking about someone in my eyes that doesn’t deserve or need the attention.
You make valid points my friend and I agree with you on the aspect of how much traction a negative campaign can gain over time. He like many have had success on feeding hate, sexism and overall just pure negativity. Its fuel for many.
Does he make random post at times to make hype... yes. Does that help him with followers and hype... yes.
But for whatever reason I don’t buy it here. I could be wrong. Its pure speculation on my part. That said, it will be my last directly about RETNA. Ive wasted too much time alone in this thread talking about someone in my eyes that doesn’t deserve or need the attention.
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blerd
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by blerd on Jul 15, 2018 19:00:30 GMT 1, Luls at the people thinking RETNA actually planned this. Dude is not a marketing genius. He’s a loose cannon in a day and age where people eat thats**t up.
Have to agree. He’s really on one
Luls at the people thinking RETNA actually planned this. Dude is not a marketing genius. He’s a loose cannon in a day and age where people eat thats**t up. Have to agree. He’s really on one
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Poster Bob
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by Poster Bob on Jul 15, 2018 21:46:35 GMT 1, This is total bullshit. I didn't do all of that work to get on PTM's VIP list and just pre-order whatever I wanted for Retna to go and fuc* it all up. What an ass. b**ch owes me five grips a year for my loss.
This is total bullshit. I didn't do all of that work to get on PTM's VIP list and just pre-order whatever I wanted for Retna to go and fuc* it all up. What an ass. b**ch owes me five grips a year for my loss.
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irl1
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by irl1 on Jul 15, 2018 22:05:53 GMT 1, This is total bullshit. I didn't do all of that work to get on PTM's VIP list and just pre-order whatever I wanted for Retna to go and fuc* it all up. What an ass. b**ch owes me five grips a year for my loss. Well said Bob, a man after my own heart. When you post i could nearly frame the words. You should post more often.
This is total bullshit. I didn't do all of that work to get on PTM's VIP list and just pre-order whatever I wanted for Retna to go and fuc* it all up. What an ass. b**ch owes me five grips a year for my loss. Well said Bob, a man after my own heart. When you post i could nearly frame the words. You should post more often.
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blerd
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by blerd on Jul 15, 2018 23:39:46 GMT 1, These prints will appear in the future with a print house/gallery COA ...unsigned Invader stylee!
These prints will appear in the future with a print house/gallery COA ...unsigned Invader stylee!
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by Dahmer on Jul 16, 2018 8:27:13 GMT 1, it says the size is 8.0, what is that? 8 inchs? are they fingerboards
it says the size is 8.0, what is that? 8 inchs? are they fingerboards
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moron
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by moron on Jul 16, 2018 16:57:27 GMT 1, The guys an idiot and his art is very average.
He has investors behind him and the small amount of publicity he has has gone to his head. He has some followers and curious people who follow his celebrity contacts. Retna is just a manufactered performing clown, painting his basic decorations which are sold to people with money.
People are either too greedy or too stupid to see through him and his act.
The guys an idiot and his art is very average.
He has investors behind him and the small amount of publicity he has has gone to his head. He has some followers and curious people who follow his celebrity contacts. Retna is just a manufactered performing clown, painting his basic decorations which are sold to people with money.
People are either too greedy or too stupid to see through him and his act.
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nobokov
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by nobokov on Jul 16, 2018 17:06:05 GMT 1, it says the size is 8.0, what is that? 8 inchs? are they fingerboards 8 inch width
it says the size is 8.0, what is that? 8 inchs? are they fingerboards 8 inch width
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by Rouen Cathedral on Jul 17, 2018 1:02:34 GMT 1, Kind of surprised people still think he puts out good art.
Kind if repetitive no?
See other artists get much more grief for what people deem as repetitive.
Kind of surprised people still think he puts out good art.
Kind if repetitive no?
See other artists get much more grief for what people deem as repetitive.
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nobokov
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by nobokov on Jul 17, 2018 1:18:25 GMT 1, Kind of surprised people still think he puts out good art. Kind if repetitive no? See other artists get much more grief for what people deem as repetitive. Bipolar disorder aside, I think his work stays fresh for some reason. He uses different color schemes and alternate ways of presenting his personal language that he created. I was always drawn to Egyptian hieroglyphics when I was younger so maybe thats why it resonates with me. There's a clean elegance to the calligraphy that's usually there. Even though I have no idea what it says, that ambiguity works especially since he barely makes sense when he's writing in English.
When you compare his work to Cripta Djan, you can see how generally each RETNA work feels different, while Cripta Djans looks identical to each other and messy.
P.S. Max is an intelligent, handsome man.
Kind of surprised people still think he puts out good art. Kind if repetitive no? See other artists get much more grief for what people deem as repetitive. Bipolar disorder aside, I think his work stays fresh for some reason. He uses different color schemes and alternate ways of presenting his personal language that he created. I was always drawn to Egyptian hieroglyphics when I was younger so maybe thats why it resonates with me. There's a clean elegance to the calligraphy that's usually there. Even though I have no idea what it says, that ambiguity works especially since he barely makes sense when he's writing in English. When you compare his work to Cripta Djan, you can see how generally each RETNA work feels different, while Cripta Djans looks identical to each other and messy. P.S. Max is an intelligent, handsome man.
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by Howard Johnson on Jul 17, 2018 1:21:13 GMT 1, Kind of surprised people still think he puts out good art. Kind if repetitive no? See other artists get much more grief for what people deem as repetitive.
As a painter I think he's one of the best from the current urban movement. I see him as a Cy twombly-type figure, his works are bristling with energy and while his style may seem repetitive, he's got enough variation to keep it progressive and interesting (IMHO), and moves the art of calligraphy forward in real fantastic ways. Have you seen his works in person? They are emotionally captivating in a way that I rarely find in abstract works to be.
Man I wish he would keep it together though! I may be biased because I'm from LA and see his street works everyday, but I think he's one of the best out there, but his reputation is toxic. And not in a badass way (ie banksy), as his newsworthy moments always seem to be in poor taste, and sometimes straight up criminal in the worst way possible.
I'll continue to root for retna, but his behavior makes it harder and harder to own his work.
Kind of surprised people still think he puts out good art. Kind if repetitive no? See other artists get much more grief for what people deem as repetitive. As a painter I think he's one of the best from the current urban movement. I see him as a Cy twombly-type figure, his works are bristling with energy and while his style may seem repetitive, he's got enough variation to keep it progressive and interesting (IMHO), and moves the art of calligraphy forward in real fantastic ways. Have you seen his works in person? They are emotionally captivating in a way that I rarely find in abstract works to be. Man I wish he would keep it together though! I may be biased because I'm from LA and see his street works everyday, but I think he's one of the best out there, but his reputation is toxic. And not in a badass way (ie banksy), as his newsworthy moments always seem to be in poor taste, and sometimes straight up criminal in the worst way possible. I'll continue to root for retna, but his behavior makes it harder and harder to own his work.
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by wottagunn on Jul 17, 2018 1:41:17 GMT 1, apologies to derail slightly, but any fans of Retna or calligraphy in general should check out Melbourne artist Mayonaize. Pretty unique style and might appeal to some folk here. He's also a tattoo artist.
www.instagram.com/mayonaize/
apologies to derail slightly, but any fans of Retna or calligraphy in general should check out Melbourne artist Mayonaize. Pretty unique style and might appeal to some folk here. He's also a tattoo artist. www.instagram.com/mayonaize/
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by Howard Johnson on Jul 17, 2018 1:45:06 GMT 1, apologies to derail slightly, but any fans of Retna or calligraphy in general should check out Melbourne artist Mayonaize. Pretty unique style and might appeal to some folk here. He's also a tattoo artist. www.instagram.com/mayonaize/ Thats pretty amazing work!
apologies to derail slightly, but any fans of Retna or calligraphy in general should check out Melbourne artist Mayonaize. Pretty unique style and might appeal to some folk here. He's also a tattoo artist. www.instagram.com/mayonaize/Thats pretty amazing work!
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touchdowntodd
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by touchdowntodd on Jul 17, 2018 1:50:31 GMT 1, apologies to derail slightly, but any fans of Retna or calligraphy in general should check out Melbourne artist Mayonaize. Pretty unique style and might appeal to some folk here. He's also a tattoo artist. www.instagram.com/mayonaize/Thats pretty amazing work!
Mayonnaize is awesome. May be getting tattooed by him If all goes to plan
side note, affordable works as well
apologies to derail slightly, but any fans of Retna or calligraphy in general should check out Melbourne artist Mayonaize. Pretty unique style and might appeal to some folk here. He's also a tattoo artist. www.instagram.com/mayonaize/Thats pretty amazing work! Mayonnaize is awesome. May be getting tattooed by him If all goes to plan side note, affordable works as well
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by Rouen Cathedral on Jul 17, 2018 1:59:44 GMT 1, Kind of surprised people still think he puts out good art. Kind if repetitive no? See other artists get much more grief for what people deem as repetitive. As a painter I think he's one of the best from the current urban movement. I see him as a Cy twombly-type figure, his works are bristling with energy and while his style may seem repetitive, he's got enough variation to keep it progressive and interesting (IMHO), and moves the art of calligraphy forward in real fantastic ways. Have you seen his works in person? They are emotionally captivating in a way that I rarely find in abstract works to be. Man I wish he would keep it together though! I may be biased because I'm from LA and see his street works everyday, but I think he's one of the best out there, but his reputation is toxic. And not in a badass way (ie banksy), as his newsworthy moments always seem to be in poor taste, and sometimes straight up criminal in the worst way possible. I'll continue to root for retna, but his behavior makes it harder and harder to own his work.
Oh I see this argument and I think it's actually a pretty good one. I'm still on the fence personally for now though.
It's seems like the monetary momentum around his work right now is driving a lot of his popularity though. Kind of like when whatson was super hot and doing the same tagging theme for the 88th time. (note: whatsons blip was smaller in scale bit so we're his prices).
Will be interesting to see how history treats him. That's everything personal aside and left for another debate.
Kind of surprised people still think he puts out good art. Kind if repetitive no? See other artists get much more grief for what people deem as repetitive. As a painter I think he's one of the best from the current urban movement. I see him as a Cy twombly-type figure, his works are bristling with energy and while his style may seem repetitive, he's got enough variation to keep it progressive and interesting (IMHO), and moves the art of calligraphy forward in real fantastic ways. Have you seen his works in person? They are emotionally captivating in a way that I rarely find in abstract works to be. Man I wish he would keep it together though! I may be biased because I'm from LA and see his street works everyday, but I think he's one of the best out there, but his reputation is toxic. And not in a badass way (ie banksy), as his newsworthy moments always seem to be in poor taste, and sometimes straight up criminal in the worst way possible. I'll continue to root for retna, but his behavior makes it harder and harder to own his work. Oh I see this argument and I think it's actually a pretty good one. I'm still on the fence personally for now though. It's seems like the monetary momentum around his work right now is driving a lot of his popularity though. Kind of like when whatson was super hot and doing the same tagging theme for the 88th time. (note: whatsons blip was smaller in scale bit so we're his prices). Will be interesting to see how history treats him. That's everything personal aside and left for another debate.
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nighthawk
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by nighthawk on Jul 17, 2018 2:03:44 GMT 1, While Mayonnaize is no doubt talented (as many others are), Howard Johnson summed it up nicely: Retna is the best in his field! He doesn't have to be a choir boy, but it's a shame that he acts the way he does, (for many reasons) as from strictly an art perspective, you have to think that it's only going to continue to "hurt" his brand.
While Mayonnaize is no doubt talented (as many others are), Howard Johnson summed it up nicely: Retna is the best in his field! He doesn't have to be a choir boy, but it's a shame that he acts the way he does, (for many reasons) as from strictly an art perspective, you have to think that it's only going to continue to "hurt" his brand.
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irl1
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by irl1 on Jul 17, 2018 2:21:19 GMT 1, apologies to derail slightly, but any fans of Retna or calligraphy in general should check out Melbourne artist Mayonaize. Pretty unique style and might appeal to some folk here. He's also a tattoo artist. www.instagram.com/mayonaize/ No apologies needed to show us something like this. Love the work, thank you for posting
apologies to derail slightly, but any fans of Retna or calligraphy in general should check out Melbourne artist Mayonaize. Pretty unique style and might appeal to some folk here. He's also a tattoo artist. www.instagram.com/mayonaize/No apologies needed to show us something like this. Love the work, thank you for posting
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moron
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by moron on Jul 17, 2018 22:49:51 GMT 1, I think Retna gets a pass for three reasons.
One is that some people view him as some sort of modern day Basquiat, a troubled artist, making basic art with a drug problem.
Two that Retna is saleable at the moment to wealthy investors dues to people backing him financially and he also posts lots of those lifestyle instagram photos, celebs and glasses of booze and flash motors, big tits money bling bling and cars. So I would guess he sells some of his art to wealthy music hip hop etc types.
Three that Retna is not a white guy, and people give him a pass because they believe it's a given that ethnic minorities can be more mysoginst towards women and more agressive regarding some backgrounds and types of music etc they work with. (which is racist in istelf) Personally I don't believe any ethnicity or background should get a pass or less or more frowned upon because of their culture or status or skin colour.
If Retna was white and beat up an ethnic minority girlfriend then i'm sure far more people would have distanced themselves from him.
In reality it seems that Retna is just a nasty piece of work making some art which is simple enough and being promoted by high end galleries to wealthy investors who are clueless about art and about long term investment in art.
Here is some info.
It looks like he has a long history of violence.
marycumminsrealestatemarycummins.blogspot.com/2015/02/retna-aka-marquis-duriel-lewis-born.html
I think Retna gets a pass for three reasons. One is that some people view him as some sort of modern day Basquiat, a troubled artist, making basic art with a drug problem. Two that Retna is saleable at the moment to wealthy investors dues to people backing him financially and he also posts lots of those lifestyle instagram photos, celebs and glasses of booze and flash motors, big tits money bling bling and cars. So I would guess he sells some of his art to wealthy music hip hop etc types. Three that Retna is not a white guy, and people give him a pass because they believe it's a given that ethnic minorities can be more mysoginst towards women and more agressive regarding some backgrounds and types of music etc they work with. (which is racist in istelf) Personally I don't believe any ethnicity or background should get a pass or less or more frowned upon because of their culture or status or skin colour. If Retna was white and beat up an ethnic minority girlfriend then i'm sure far more people would have distanced themselves from him. In reality it seems that Retna is just a nasty piece of work making some art which is simple enough and being promoted by high end galleries to wealthy investors who are clueless about art and about long term investment in art. Here is some info. It looks like he has a long history of violence. marycumminsrealestatemarycummins.blogspot.com/2015/02/retna-aka-marquis-duriel-lewis-born.html
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nobokov
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by nobokov on Jul 17, 2018 23:00:05 GMT 1, I think Retna gets a pass for three reasons. One is that some people view him as some sort of modern day Basquiat, a troubled artist, making basic art with a drug problem. Two that Retna is saleable at the moment to wealthy investors dues to people backing him financially and he also posts lots of those lifestyle instagram photos, celebs and glasses of booze and flash motors, big tits money bling bling and cars. So I would guess he sells some of his art to wealthy music hip hop etc types. Three that Retna is not a white guy, and people give him a pass because they believe it's a given that ethnic minorities can be more mysoginst towards women and more agressive regarding some backgrounds and types of music etc they work with. (which is racist in istelf) Personally I don't believe any ethnicity or background should get a pass or less or more frowned upon because of their culture or status or skin colour. If Retna was white and beat up an ethnic minority girlfriend then i'm sure far more people would have distanced themselves from him. In reality it seems that Retna is just a nasty piece of work making some art which is simple enough and being promoted by high end galleries to wealthy investors who are clueless about art and about long term investment in art. Here is some info. It looks like he has a long history of violence. marycumminsrealestatemarycummins.blogspot.com/2015/02/retna-aka-marquis-duriel-lewis-born.html "Three that Retna is not a white guy, and people give him a pass because they believe it's a given that ethnic minorities can be more mysoginst towards women and more agressive regarding some backgrounds and types of music etc they work with. (which is racist in istelf) "
For some reason, your third point seems racist in itself, because the hypothesis seems to come from your own belief, rather than evidence? Of course I'm not calling you a racist, but the hypothesis seems arbitrary and circular.
It's definitely a troubling past and the guy is clearly abnormal. I noticed in a couple IG posts that the exgirlfriend left positive comments in the last month on his posts. Maybe that's a fake account, or perhaps the ex has forgiven him.
I think Retna gets a pass for three reasons. One is that some people view him as some sort of modern day Basquiat, a troubled artist, making basic art with a drug problem. Two that Retna is saleable at the moment to wealthy investors dues to people backing him financially and he also posts lots of those lifestyle instagram photos, celebs and glasses of booze and flash motors, big tits money bling bling and cars. So I would guess he sells some of his art to wealthy music hip hop etc types. Three that Retna is not a white guy, and people give him a pass because they believe it's a given that ethnic minorities can be more mysoginst towards women and more agressive regarding some backgrounds and types of music etc they work with. (which is racist in istelf) Personally I don't believe any ethnicity or background should get a pass or less or more frowned upon because of their culture or status or skin colour. If Retna was white and beat up an ethnic minority girlfriend then i'm sure far more people would have distanced themselves from him. In reality it seems that Retna is just a nasty piece of work making some art which is simple enough and being promoted by high end galleries to wealthy investors who are clueless about art and about long term investment in art. Here is some info. It looks like he has a long history of violence. marycumminsrealestatemarycummins.blogspot.com/2015/02/retna-aka-marquis-duriel-lewis-born.html "Three that Retna is not a white guy, and people give him a pass because they believe it's a given that ethnic minorities can be more mysoginst towards women and more agressive regarding some backgrounds and types of music etc they work with. (which is racist in istelf) " For some reason, your third point seems racist in itself, because the hypothesis seems to come from your own belief, rather than evidence? Of course I'm not calling you a racist, but the hypothesis seems arbitrary and circular. It's definitely a troubling past and the guy is clearly abnormal. I noticed in a couple IG posts that the exgirlfriend left positive comments in the last month on his posts. Maybe that's a fake account, or perhaps the ex has forgiven him.
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moron
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by moron on Jul 17, 2018 23:10:47 GMT 1, I think Retna gets a pass for three reasons. One is that some people view him as some sort of modern day Basquiat, a troubled artist, making basic art with a drug problem. Two that Retna is saleable at the moment to wealthy investors dues to people backing him financially and he also posts lots of those lifestyle instagram photos, celebs and glasses of booze and flash motors, big tits money bling bling and cars. So I would guess he sells some of his art to wealthy music hip hop etc types. Three that Retna is not a white guy, and people give him a pass because they believe it's a given that ethnic minorities can be more mysoginst towards women and more agressive regarding some backgrounds and types of music etc they work with. (which is racist in istelf) Personally I don't believe any ethnicity or background should get a pass or less or more frowned upon because of their culture or status or skin colour. If Retna was white and beat up an ethnic minority girlfriend then i'm sure far more people would have distanced themselves from him. In reality it seems that Retna is just a nasty piece of work making some art which is simple enough and being promoted by high end galleries to wealthy investors who are clueless about art and about long term investment in art. Here is some info. It looks like he has a long history of violence. marycumminsrealestatemarycummins.blogspot.com/2015/02/retna-aka-marquis-duriel-lewis-born.html "Three that Retna is not a white guy, and people give him a pass because they believe it's a given that ethnic minorities can be more mysoginst towards women and more agressive regarding some backgrounds and types of music etc they work with. (which is racist in istelf) " For some reason, your third point seems racist in itself, because the hypothesis seems to come from your own belief, rather than evidence? Of course I'm not calling you a racist, but the hypothesis seems arbitrary and circular. It's definitely a troubling past and the guy is clearly abnormal. I noticed in a couple IG posts that the exgirlfriend left positive comments in the last month on his posts. Maybe that's a fake account, or perhaps the ex has forgiven him.
Yes it's a hypothesis and I do believe some people make excuses for some peoples bad behaviour because as we have all been told a million times, by black lives matter etc etc etc. Bad behaviour it's all the fault of white privelidge.
I also know that Retna is mainly hype and promotion by dealers and galleries who have lists of very wealthy clients, so his art is predictable and safe for them to buy. The buyers think the squiggles are some form of high understanding and spritual consciousness emerging from the hands of a superier intellect blah blah blah.
Personally I would rather buy art and support artists like Tommy the Animator, who can paint and sculpt and is one of the good guys. In reality I think Tommy is more talented than Retna.
I think Retna gets a pass for three reasons. One is that some people view him as some sort of modern day Basquiat, a troubled artist, making basic art with a drug problem. Two that Retna is saleable at the moment to wealthy investors dues to people backing him financially and he also posts lots of those lifestyle instagram photos, celebs and glasses of booze and flash motors, big tits money bling bling and cars. So I would guess he sells some of his art to wealthy music hip hop etc types. Three that Retna is not a white guy, and people give him a pass because they believe it's a given that ethnic minorities can be more mysoginst towards women and more agressive regarding some backgrounds and types of music etc they work with. (which is racist in istelf) Personally I don't believe any ethnicity or background should get a pass or less or more frowned upon because of their culture or status or skin colour. If Retna was white and beat up an ethnic minority girlfriend then i'm sure far more people would have distanced themselves from him. In reality it seems that Retna is just a nasty piece of work making some art which is simple enough and being promoted by high end galleries to wealthy investors who are clueless about art and about long term investment in art. Here is some info. It looks like he has a long history of violence. marycumminsrealestatemarycummins.blogspot.com/2015/02/retna-aka-marquis-duriel-lewis-born.html "Three that Retna is not a white guy, and people give him a pass because they believe it's a given that ethnic minorities can be more mysoginst towards women and more agressive regarding some backgrounds and types of music etc they work with. (which is racist in istelf) " For some reason, your third point seems racist in itself, because the hypothesis seems to come from your own belief, rather than evidence? Of course I'm not calling you a racist, but the hypothesis seems arbitrary and circular. It's definitely a troubling past and the guy is clearly abnormal. I noticed in a couple IG posts that the exgirlfriend left positive comments in the last month on his posts. Maybe that's a fake account, or perhaps the ex has forgiven him. Yes it's a hypothesis and I do believe some people make excuses for some peoples bad behaviour because as we have all been told a million times, by black lives matter etc etc etc. Bad behaviour it's all the fault of white privelidge. I also know that Retna is mainly hype and promotion by dealers and galleries who have lists of very wealthy clients, so his art is predictable and safe for them to buy. The buyers think the squiggles are some form of high understanding and spritual consciousness emerging from the hands of a superier intellect blah blah blah. Personally I would rather buy art and support artists like Tommy the Animator, who can paint and sculpt and is one of the good guys. In reality I think Tommy is more talented than Retna.
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nobokov
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by nobokov on Jul 17, 2018 23:20:35 GMT 1,
"Three that Retna is not a white guy, and people give him a pass because they believe it's a given that ethnic minorities can be more mysoginst towards women and more agressive regarding some backgrounds and types of music etc they work with. (which is racist in istelf) " For some reason, your third point seems racist in itself, because the hypothesis seems to come from your own belief, rather than evidence? Of course I'm not calling you a racist, but the hypothesis seems arbitrary and circular. It's definitely a troubling past and the guy is clearly abnormal. I noticed in a couple IG posts that the exgirlfriend left positive comments in the last month on his posts. Maybe that's a fake account, or perhaps the ex has forgiven him. Yes it's a hypothesis and I do believe some people make excuses for some peoples bad behaviour because as we have all been told a million times, by black lives matter etc etc etc. Bad behaviour it's all the fault of white privelidge. I also know that Retna is mainly hype and promotion by dealers and galleries who have lists of very wealthy clients, so his art is predictable and safe for them to buy. The buyers think the squiggles are some form of high understanding and spritual consciousness emerging from the hands of a superier intellect blah blah blah. Personally I would rather buy art and support artists like Tommy the Animator, who can paint and sculpt and is one of the good guys. In reality I think Tommy is more talented than Retna.
I do like Tommy's work as well. I agree with you that he's a talent.
I also like RETNAs work a lot. You mentioned that retnas a predictable and safe buy. Is he a safe choice even if he represents domestic violence? And which galleries are hyping him? He seems to be represented by Maddox, who I don't see as a large or influential gallery, given the artists on their books.
"Three that Retna is not a white guy, and people give him a pass because they believe it's a given that ethnic minorities can be more mysoginst towards women and more agressive regarding some backgrounds and types of music etc they work with. (which is racist in istelf) " For some reason, your third point seems racist in itself, because the hypothesis seems to come from your own belief, rather than evidence? Of course I'm not calling you a racist, but the hypothesis seems arbitrary and circular. It's definitely a troubling past and the guy is clearly abnormal. I noticed in a couple IG posts that the exgirlfriend left positive comments in the last month on his posts. Maybe that's a fake account, or perhaps the ex has forgiven him. Yes it's a hypothesis and I do believe some people make excuses for some peoples bad behaviour because as we have all been told a million times, by black lives matter etc etc etc. Bad behaviour it's all the fault of white privelidge. I also know that Retna is mainly hype and promotion by dealers and galleries who have lists of very wealthy clients, so his art is predictable and safe for them to buy. The buyers think the squiggles are some form of high understanding and spritual consciousness emerging from the hands of a superier intellect blah blah blah. Personally I would rather buy art and support artists like Tommy the Animator, who can paint and sculpt and is one of the good guys. In reality I think Tommy is more talented than Retna. I do like Tommy's work as well. I agree with you that he's a talent. I also like RETNAs work a lot. You mentioned that retnas a predictable and safe buy. Is he a safe choice even if he represents domestic violence? And which galleries are hyping him? He seems to be represented by Maddox, who I don't see as a large or influential gallery, given the artists on their books.
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moron
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by moron on Jul 18, 2018 0:58:56 GMT 1, Yes it's a hypothesis and I do believe some people make excuses for some peoples bad behaviour because as we have all been told a million times, by black lives matter etc etc etc. Bad behaviour it's all the fault of white privelidge. I also know that Retna is mainly hype and promotion by dealers and galleries who have lists of very wealthy clients, so his art is predictable and safe for them to buy. The buyers think the squiggles are some form of high understanding and spritual consciousness emerging from the hands of a superier intellect blah blah blah. Personally I would rather buy art and support artists like Tommy the Animator, who can paint and sculpt and is one of the good guys. In reality I think Tommy is more talented than Retna. I do like Tommy's work as well. I agree with you that he's a talent. I also like RETNAs work a lot. You mentioned that retnas a predictable and safe buy. Is he a safe choice even if he represents domestic violence? And which galleries are hyping him? He seems to be represented by Maddox, who I don't see as a large or influential gallery, given the artists on their books. His art is safe as in easy to familiarise with , in the same way that Hirsts spot paintings were recognisable as Hirst.
It's not about the size of the gallery it's about the galleries client list.
I think Retna has a good agent in the same way that Brainwash has an agent who enables him to move in some celebrity circles.
Yes it's a hypothesis and I do believe some people make excuses for some peoples bad behaviour because as we have all been told a million times, by black lives matter etc etc etc. Bad behaviour it's all the fault of white privelidge. I also know that Retna is mainly hype and promotion by dealers and galleries who have lists of very wealthy clients, so his art is predictable and safe for them to buy. The buyers think the squiggles are some form of high understanding and spritual consciousness emerging from the hands of a superier intellect blah blah blah. Personally I would rather buy art and support artists like Tommy the Animator, who can paint and sculpt and is one of the good guys. In reality I think Tommy is more talented than Retna. I do like Tommy's work as well. I agree with you that he's a talent. I also like RETNAs work a lot. You mentioned that retnas a predictable and safe buy. Is he a safe choice even if he represents domestic violence? And which galleries are hyping him? He seems to be represented by Maddox, who I don't see as a large or influential gallery, given the artists on their books. His art is safe as in easy to familiarise with , in the same way that Hirsts spot paintings were recognisable as Hirst. It's not about the size of the gallery it's about the galleries client list. I think Retna has a good agent in the same way that Brainwash has an agent who enables him to move in some celebrity circles.
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by Howard Johnson on Jul 18, 2018 1:48:35 GMT 1, Also it should be noted that Retna is not the "celebrity" artist he clearly aspires to be. I have a good friend who works with some of the best art collections in Los Angeles, and according to him the only urban artists that have really been accepted by the elite collectors are Banksy and Kaws. He said that retna does pop up in some collections, but they tend to be lower end.
Hes certainly proud of the celebrities that collect him (how many Usher IG posts do we need?) but I think because of his constant name dropping he is portrayed as more popular with the upper-crust then he actually is. That does kinda make me wonder about these crazy expensive prints hes producing, and if they will ever appreciate significantly in value.
Personally I think Retna is just as, if not more, of a talented painter then kaws. Banksy is his own beast so they cant really be directly compared. He clearly wants to break that glass ceiling, but I think his antics hurt more then they help. The dude does a lot of great stuff, especially his work trying to get local kids interested in the arts. All of that is overshadowed by his controversial actions. Maybe a good manager is key; keep him contained, stop the invite-only-weird-in-person way he sells his art, and strictly manage his output. There is still time to course correct if he really wants to be a blue-chip artist, but it would take a number of character changes I dont think hes willing to make.
Either way, I will probably continue to support him and his art, even if I cant afford it lol.
Also it should be noted that Retna is not the "celebrity" artist he clearly aspires to be. I have a good friend who works with some of the best art collections in Los Angeles, and according to him the only urban artists that have really been accepted by the elite collectors are Banksy and Kaws. He said that retna does pop up in some collections, but they tend to be lower end.
Hes certainly proud of the celebrities that collect him (how many Usher IG posts do we need?) but I think because of his constant name dropping he is portrayed as more popular with the upper-crust then he actually is. That does kinda make me wonder about these crazy expensive prints hes producing, and if they will ever appreciate significantly in value.
Personally I think Retna is just as, if not more, of a talented painter then kaws. Banksy is his own beast so they cant really be directly compared. He clearly wants to break that glass ceiling, but I think his antics hurt more then they help. The dude does a lot of great stuff, especially his work trying to get local kids interested in the arts. All of that is overshadowed by his controversial actions. Maybe a good manager is key; keep him contained, stop the invite-only-weird-in-person way he sells his art, and strictly manage his output. There is still time to course correct if he really wants to be a blue-chip artist, but it would take a number of character changes I dont think hes willing to make.
Either way, I will probably continue to support him and his art, even if I cant afford it lol.
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kharupt
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by kharupt on Jul 18, 2018 3:45:43 GMT 1, Glad this thread is back on track with Retna being an asshole. Other calligraphers I'd put above Retna would be Jose Parla, Cryptik and Porkras Lampas.
Glad this thread is back on track with Retna being an asshole. Other calligraphers I'd put above Retna would be Jose Parla, Cryptik and Porkras Lampas.
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nobokov
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Retna’s weekend meltdowns, by nobokov on Jul 18, 2018 5:38:00 GMT 1, Glad this thread is back on track with Retna being an asshole. Other calligraphers I'd put above Retna would be Jose Parla, Cryptik and Porkras Lampas. Don't forget El Seed
Glad this thread is back on track with Retna being an asshole. Other calligraphers I'd put above Retna would be Jose Parla, Cryptik and Porkras Lampas. Don't forget El Seed
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