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Stop & Search , by salmonrushdie on Jan 3, 2018 10:52:37 GMT 1, Hi All,
I have a "friend" who is looking to sell a perfect, unframed Stop and Search, i told him i would have a look and see what offers he should be looking to accept, he has been sent quotes by galleries but nothing private yet.
What is a realistic offer, has anyone brought one recently?
Thank you
Salmon
Hi All,
I have a "friend" who is looking to sell a perfect, unframed Stop and Search, i told him i would have a look and see what offers he should be looking to accept, he has been sent quotes by galleries but nothing private yet.
What is a realistic offer, has anyone brought one recently?
Thank you
Salmon
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Stop & Search , by Carl Cashman on Jan 3, 2018 10:57:49 GMT 1, Hi All, I have a "friend" who is looking to sell a perfect, unframed Stop and Search, i told him i would have a look and see what offers he should be looking to accept, he has been sent quotes by galleries but nothing private yet. What is a realistic offer, has anyone brought one recently? Thank you Salmon
Hi All, I have a "friend" who is looking to sell a perfect, unframed Stop and Search, i told him i would have a look and see what offers he should be looking to accept, he has been sent quotes by galleries but nothing private yet. What is a realistic offer, has anyone brought one recently? Thank you Salmon Whar were the gallery offers ? |
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Stop & Search , by salmonrushdie on Jan 3, 2018 11:02:35 GMT 1, £35/36k at present
£35/36k at present
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Stop & Search , by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 14:28:07 GMT 1, Last one at auction in December went for 28,750.
Last one at auction in December went for 28,750.
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Stop & Search , by Carl Cashman on Jan 3, 2018 14:31:18 GMT 1, Cant see you getting a better offer than that
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Stop & Search , by Poster Bob on Jan 3, 2018 15:34:34 GMT 1, And don't forget how ridiculous it is to forget seasonality.
And don't forget how ridiculous it is to forget seasonality.
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Stop & Search , by njr911 on Jan 3, 2018 16:01:53 GMT 1, I sold mine to a gallery for £1.8k
Not the best deal I've ever made 
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Stop & Search , by salmonrushdie on Jan 3, 2018 17:37:05 GMT 1, Thank you all, i think we have an idea where to go!
Thank you all, i think we have an idea where to go!
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Stop & Search , by Slip on Jan 3, 2018 19:07:05 GMT 1, If this gallery does not come good or they offer to take it on consignment. Please pm me I’d be interested.
If this gallery does not come good or they offer to take it on consignment. Please pm me I’d be interested.
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Stop & Search , by gravity1 on Jan 3, 2018 20:55:14 GMT 1, If in top condition with COA you are will over the £36k mark and probably closer to £40k. One sold at Bonhams back in June of 2016 for £31,250. Sellers market, especially with this one.
www.bonhams.com/auctions/23583/lot/144/
If in top condition with COA you are will over the £36k mark and probably closer to £40k. One sold at Bonhams back in June of 2016 for £31,250. Sellers market, especially with this one. www.bonhams.com/auctions/23583/lot/144/ |
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Stop & Search , by Slip on Jan 3, 2018 21:47:19 GMT 1, If in top condition with COA you are will over the £36k mark and probably closer to £40k. One sold at Bonhams back in June of 2016 for £31,250. Sellers market, especially with this one. www.bonhams.com/auctions/23583/lot/144/
Do you own one by any chance?
If in top condition with COA you are will over the £36k mark and probably closer to £40k. One sold at Bonhams back in June of 2016 for £31,250. Sellers market, especially with this one. www.bonhams.com/auctions/23583/lot/144/Do you own one by any chance? |
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Stop & Search , by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 21:52:31 GMT 1, If in top condition with COA you are will over the £36k mark and probably closer to £40k. One sold at Bonhams back in June of 2016 for £31,250. Sellers market, especially with this one. www.bonhams.com/auctions/23583/lot/144/
So one sold at Bonhams in 2016 at £31,250 and the next one to sell at Bonhams sold in the last 30 days, 2017, for £28,750 and equates to the value of £40k? I love this place!
If in top condition with COA you are will over the £36k mark and probably closer to £40k. One sold at Bonhams back in June of 2016 for £31,250. Sellers market, especially with this one. www.bonhams.com/auctions/23583/lot/144/ So one sold at Bonhams in 2016 at £31,250 and the next one to sell at Bonhams sold in the last 30 days, 2017, for £28,750 and equates to the value of £40k? I love this place! |
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Stop & Search , by barsukauk on Jan 3, 2018 21:54:54 GMT 1, If in top condition with COA you are will over the £36k mark and probably closer to £40k. One sold at Bonhams back in June of 2016 for £31,250. Sellers market, especially with this one. www.bonhams.com/auctions/23583/lot/144/ So one sold at Bonhams in 2016 at £31,250 and the next one to sell at Bonhams sold in the last 30 days, 2017, for £28,750 and equates to the value of £40k? I love this place!
If you have one and maybe looking to sale worth £40+
If you don’t have one and looking to buy price is £28-30k
This is how this work
If in top condition with COA you are will over the £36k mark and probably closer to £40k. One sold at Bonhams back in June of 2016 for £31,250. Sellers market, especially with this one. www.bonhams.com/auctions/23583/lot/144/ So one sold at Bonhams in 2016 at £31,250 and the next one to sell at Bonhams sold in the last 30 days, 2017, for £28,750 and equates to the value of £40k? I love this place! If you have one and maybe looking to sale worth £40+ If you don’t have one and looking to buy price is £28-30k This is how this work |
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Stop & Search , by Poster Bob on Jan 3, 2018 22:09:36 GMT 1, Tell us more oh wise one about how seasonality does not exist in the art market.
If in top condition with COA you are will over the £36k mark and probably closer to £40k. One sold at Bonhams back in June of 2016 for £31,250. Sellers market, especially with this one. www.bonhams.com/auctions/23583/lot/144/ So one sold at Bonhams in 2016 at £31,250 and the next one to sell at Bonhams sold in the last 30 days, 2017, for £28,750 and equates to the value of £40k? I love this place!
Tell us more oh wise one about how seasonality does not exist in the art market. If in top condition with COA you are will over the £36k mark and probably closer to £40k. One sold at Bonhams back in June of 2016 for £31,250. Sellers market, especially with this one. www.bonhams.com/auctions/23583/lot/144/ So one sold at Bonhams in 2016 at £31,250 and the next one to sell at Bonhams sold in the last 30 days, 2017, for £28,750 and equates to the value of £40k? I love this place! |
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Stop & Search , by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 22:31:32 GMT 1, Tell us more oh wise one about how seasonality does not exist in the art market. So one sold at Bonhams in 2016 at £31,250 and the next one to sell at Bonhams sold in the last 30 days, 2017, for £28,750 and equates to the value of £40k? I love this place!
Dont get upset Poster Bob Just adding the often overlooked, unwanted, or ignored FACTS to the conversation. Feel free to continue on with your anticdotal ramblings. Let’s just say it’s at £50k now. Feel better? 😉
Tell us more oh wise one about how seasonality does not exist in the art market. So one sold at Bonhams in 2016 at £31,250 and the next one to sell at Bonhams sold in the last 30 days, 2017, for £28,750 and equates to the value of £40k? I love this place! Dont get upset Poster Bob Just adding the often overlooked, unwanted, or ignored FACTS to the conversation. Feel free to continue on with your anticdotal ramblings. Let’s just say it’s at £50k now. Feel better? 😉 |
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Stop & Search , by gravity1 on Jan 3, 2018 22:57:54 GMT 1, If in top condition with COA you are will over the £36k mark and probably closer to £40k. One sold at Bonhams back in June of 2016 for £31,250. Sellers market, especially with this one. www.bonhams.com/auctions/23583/lot/144/ So one sold at Bonhams in 2016 at £31,250 and the next one to sell at Bonhams sold in the last 30 days, 2017, for £28,750 and equates to the value of £40k? I love this place!
There are on occasion deals at auction but these anomalies don't make them the current market. Also condition is a major factor. A S&S went for for £38.75k on the Forum auctions in March of 2017. Good luck on your hunt for a £28k S&S in excellent condition.
If in top condition with COA you are will over the £36k mark and probably closer to £40k. One sold at Bonhams back in June of 2016 for £31,250. Sellers market, especially with this one. www.bonhams.com/auctions/23583/lot/144/ So one sold at Bonhams in 2016 at £31,250 and the next one to sell at Bonhams sold in the last 30 days, 2017, for £28,750 and equates to the value of £40k? I love this place! There are on occasion deals at auction but these anomalies don't make them the current market. Also condition is a major factor. A S&S went for for £38.75k on the Forum auctions in March of 2017. Good luck on your hunt for a £28k S&S in excellent condition. |
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Stop & Search , by Poster Bob on Jan 3, 2018 23:22:06 GMT 1, Please open an art consultancy to fully utilise your vast knowledge of the art market and critical thinking skills. The world needs you.
Tell us more oh wise one about how seasonality does not exist in the art market. Dont get upset Poster Bob Just adding the often overlooked, unwanted, or ignored FACTS to the conversation. Feel free to continue on with your anticdotal ramblings. Let’s just say it’s at £50k now. Feel better? 😉
Please open an art consultancy to fully utilise your vast knowledge of the art market and critical thinking skills. The world needs you. Tell us more oh wise one about how seasonality does not exist in the art market. Dont get upset Poster Bob Just adding the often overlooked, unwanted, or ignored FACTS to the conversation. Feel free to continue on with your anticdotal ramblings. Let’s just say it’s at £50k now. Feel better? 😉 |
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Stop & Search , by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 0:34:22 GMT 1, Please open an art consultancy to fully utilise your vast knowledge of the art market and critical thinking skills. The world needs you. Dont get upset Poster Bob Just adding the often overlooked, unwanted, or ignored FACTS to the conversation. Feel free to continue on with your anticdotal ramblings. Let’s just say it’s at £50k now. Feel better? 😉
While I'm at it I could hire you to consult on how to flip Whatson and Pejac prints as that would be a bit out of my league.
Please open an art consultancy to fully utilise your vast knowledge of the art market and critical thinking skills. The world needs you. Dont get upset Poster Bob Just adding the often overlooked, unwanted, or ignored FACTS to the conversation. Feel free to continue on with your anticdotal ramblings. Let’s just say it’s at £50k now. Feel better? 😉 Wonderful idea!! Who say's you never bring anything constructive to a conversation? While I'm at it I could hire you to consult on how to flip Whatson and Pejac prints as that would be a bit out of my league. |
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Stop & Search , by kc143 on Jan 4, 2018 19:28:30 GMT 1, The S & S which sold at auction in December at Bonhams if my memory is correct had three minor issues, I saw the condition report so was not in mint condition, hence in my opinion the lower sale price.
The S & S which sold at auction in December at Bonhams if my memory is correct had three minor issues, I saw the condition report so was not in mint condition, hence in my opinion the lower sale price.
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Stop & Search , by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 21:03:27 GMT 1, There are on occasion deals at auction but these anomalies don't make them the current market. Also condition is a major factor. A S&S went for for £38.75k on the Forum auctions in March of 2017. Good luck on your hunt for a £28k S&S in excellent condition. What's the forum auction? Is that done on here?
Its an Auction House.
There are on occasion deals at auction but these anomalies don't make them the current market. Also condition is a major factor. A S&S went for for £38.75k on the Forum auctions in March of 2017. Good luck on your hunt for a £28k S&S in excellent condition. What's the forum auction? Is that done on here? Its an Auction House. |
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Stop & Search , by Poster Bob on Jan 4, 2018 23:57:42 GMT 1, The S & S which sold at auction in December at Bonhams if my memory is correct had three minor issues, I saw the condition report so was not in mint condition, hence in my opinion the lower sale price.
The S & S which sold at auction in December at Bonhams if my memory is correct had three minor issues, I saw the condition report so was not in mint condition, hence in my opinion the lower sale price. You're wrong like the rest of the people on this forum who don't understand the art market. |
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Stop & Search , by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 0:47:47 GMT 1, So one sold at Bonhams in 2016 at £31,250 and the next one to sell at Bonhams sold in the last 30 days, 2017, for £28,750 and equates to the value of £40k? I love this place! There are on occasion deals at auction but these anomalies don't make them the current market. Also condition is a major factor. A S&S went for for £38.75k on the Forum auctions in March of 2017. Good luck on your hunt for a £28k S&S in excellent condition.
One: I am not looking for a S&S never said I was.
Two: There is a gallery on here offering one for £33k at the moment. Actually in line with the Market validated sales. Far cry from the £40 plus hopefulness. Will it be worth more in a few months? Yeah, probably based on trends but it is what it is right now and it isn’t £40 plus.
Anyway, I’m out on this conversation. Talk up prices as much as makes everyone feel good about themselves. I know better than to get roped into this nonsense.
So one sold at Bonhams in 2016 at £31,250 and the next one to sell at Bonhams sold in the last 30 days, 2017, for £28,750 and equates to the value of £40k? I love this place! There are on occasion deals at auction but these anomalies don't make them the current market. Also condition is a major factor. A S&S went for for £38.75k on the Forum auctions in March of 2017. Good luck on your hunt for a £28k S&S in excellent condition. One: I am not looking for a S&S never said I was. Two: There is a gallery on here offering one for £33k at the moment. Actually in line with the Market validated sales. Far cry from the £40 plus hopefulness. Will it be worth more in a few months? Yeah, probably based on trends but it is what it is right now and it isn’t £40 plus. Anyway, I’m out on this conversation. Talk up prices as much as makes everyone feel good about themselves. I know better than to get roped into this nonsense. |
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Stop & Search , by gravity1 on Jan 5, 2018 22:38:44 GMT 1, One: When I said "good luck" is was a general statement not specifically targeted. I usually find most trying to suppress prices because they are motivated to do so, especially when they are being blind to the average recent sales, ie calling out an unusually low auction price as market regardless of more proof to the contrary and significantly higher results as in this case. There of course are exceptions when they just don't know current prices, which is easy as I'd say more than 90% of B sales are private and not disclosed to most. Auctions are a microscopic portion of the statistics sadly.
Two: Not sure which gallery you are referring to but I can say easily the most respected gallery here focused mostly on Banksy works has their current S&S asking at £37k as of last week. I think most here can agree CG is very fair and usually spot on the market if not actually a bit lower. Hardly a "far cry" from £40k. If someone has one for £32k I'd say that was a deal and no one is saying there aren't good deals from time to time, but those deals still don't make those prices current market.
All and all this is someone's sales thread and I just find it sadly common place here for members to gang up and try to beat sellers down on price. It's more than fair for them to try as it is also fair for others to state factual evidence to the contrary if it can be found. I think there is more than enough information here now for the OP to properly set his asking.
Killer piece...GLWTS.
One: When I said "good luck" is was a general statement not specifically targeted. I usually find most trying to suppress prices because they are motivated to do so, especially when they are being blind to the average recent sales, ie calling out an unusually low auction price as market regardless of more proof to the contrary and significantly higher results as in this case. There of course are exceptions when they just don't know current prices, which is easy as I'd say more than 90% of B sales are private and not disclosed to most. Auctions are a microscopic portion of the statistics sadly.
Two: Not sure which gallery you are referring to but I can say easily the most respected gallery here focused mostly on Banksy works has their current S&S asking at £37k as of last week. I think most here can agree CG is very fair and usually spot on the market if not actually a bit lower. Hardly a "far cry" from £40k. If someone has one for £32k I'd say that was a deal and no one is saying there aren't good deals from time to time, but those deals still don't make those prices current market.
All and all this is someone's sales thread and I just find it sadly common place here for members to gang up and try to beat sellers down on price. It's more than fair for them to try as it is also fair for others to state factual evidence to the contrary if it can be found. I think there is more than enough information here now for the OP to properly set his asking.
Killer piece...GLWTS.
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