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PEZ - Alter Ego, by oxfordwelshchap on Nov 10, 2017 23:18:51 GMT 1, Yes, and... whats your point?
Yes, and... whats your point?
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by chevyav53 on Nov 10, 2017 23:19:04 GMT 1,
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by oxfordwelshchap on Nov 10, 2017 23:19:29 GMT 1, or does your second profile need to comment?
or does your second profile need to comment?
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by oxfordwelshchap on Nov 10, 2017 23:21:05 GMT 1, yes, and?
yes, and?
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by Express Post on Nov 10, 2017 23:22:21 GMT 1, So every print that is currently listed on ebay, here or in a gallery that is for sale above release price is abusing you and other members of this forum. Or do you get to choose who can and cant sell for a profit and by what % ? Get a life you pathetic little snowflake, go crawl back into your safe place.
I think it has something to do with transparency. You say some things on the silver forum that have rubbed people up the wrong way.
You just got called out on your true intentions for being here. If the other sellers were identified, they'd probably get the same treatment.
So every print that is currently listed on ebay, here or in a gallery that is for sale above release price is abusing you and other members of this forum. Or do you get to choose who can and cant sell for a profit and by what % ? Get a life you pathetic little snowflake, go crawl back into your safe place. I think it has something to do with transparency. You say some things on the silver forum that have rubbed people up the wrong way. You just got called out on your true intentions for being here. If the other sellers were identified, they'd probably get the same treatment.
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by oxfordwelshchap on Nov 10, 2017 23:22:29 GMT 1, Oh don't worry little mark I have already checked that Im only messing with you as it annoys you...
Oh don't worry little mark I have already checked that Im only messing with you as it annoys you...
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by oxfordwelshchap on Nov 10, 2017 23:23:35 GMT 1, Oh I'm sure my IQ is very low, thats why I'm into street art
Oh I'm sure my IQ is very low, thats why I'm into street art
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by oxfordwelshchap on Nov 10, 2017 23:24:27 GMT 1, Oh gosh that would really annoy me please please don't do that...
Oh gosh that would really annoy me please please don't do that...
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by Express Post on Nov 10, 2017 23:26:02 GMT 1, Please take this to PM.
Apart from the gladiatorial spectacle, it is clogging up the 'latest posts'.
Please take this to PM.
Apart from the gladiatorial spectacle, it is clogging up the 'latest posts'.
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by oxfordwelshchap on Nov 10, 2017 23:28:05 GMT 1, Please take this to PM. Apart from the gladiatorial spectacle, it is clogging up the 'latest posts'. This is a fair point. I would love to continue this in PM and expresspost has a valid point markj this is using up the time of true collectors.
Please take this to PM. Apart from the gladiatorial spectacle, it is clogging up the 'latest posts'. This is a fair point. I would love to continue this in PM and expresspost has a valid point markj this is using up the time of true collectors.
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by Express Post on Nov 10, 2017 23:29:42 GMT 1, I think it has something to do with transparency. You say some things on the silver forum that have rubbed people up the wrong way. You just got called out on your true intentions for being here. If the other sellers were identified, they'd probably get the same treatment. I posted it on a silver forum as there is a section on how people generate income from other methods to invest the money in precious metals.ย I have made money selling prints so added the information. If you would like me to make a post here on how to generate money from precious metals so you can buy prints I am happy to do so and im sure there wont be a similar thread to this on the silver forum cursing me lol.
I am genuinely interested in finding out more.
Please start a thread.
I think it has something to do with transparency. You say some things on the silver forum that have rubbed people up the wrong way. You just got called out on your true intentions for being here. If the other sellers were identified, they'd probably get the same treatment. I posted it on a silver forum as there is a section on how people generate income from other methods to invest the money in precious metals.ย I have made money selling prints so added the information. If you would like me to make a post here on how to generate money from precious metals so you can buy prints I am happy to do so and im sure there wont be a similar thread to this on the silver forum cursing me lol. I am genuinely interested in finding out more. Please start a thread.
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by Dive Jedi on Nov 10, 2017 23:31:28 GMT 1, I posted it on a silver forum as there is a section on how people generate income from other methods to invest the money in precious metals. I have made money selling prints so added the information. If you would like me to make a post here on how to generate money from precious metals so you can buy prints I am happy to do so and im sure there wont be a similar thread to this on the silver forum cursing me lol. I am genuinely interested in finding out more. Please start a thread. Maybe you should join the silver forum then. Just a thought......
I posted it on a silver forum as there is a section on how people generate income from other methods to invest the money in precious metals. I have made money selling prints so added the information. If you would like me to make a post here on how to generate money from precious metals so you can buy prints I am happy to do so and im sure there wont be a similar thread to this on the silver forum cursing me lol. I am genuinely interested in finding out more. Please start a thread. Maybe you should join the silver forum then. Just a thought......
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by oxfordwelshchap on Nov 10, 2017 23:32:04 GMT 1, ok a friend has dropped me a PM so i am out of this. Sorry to other members for the ranting.
ok a friend has dropped me a PM so i am out of this. Sorry to other members for the ranting.
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by Express Post on Nov 10, 2017 23:38:27 GMT 1, I am genuinely interested in finding out more. Please start a thread. Maybe you should join the silver forum then. Just a thought......
That move would only serve me and will be selfish.
If Mark can distill it on here, it will be more efficient and benefit more than myself.
I am genuinely interested in finding out more. Please start a thread. Maybe you should join the silver forum then. Just a thought...... That move would only serve me and will be selfish. If Mark can distill it on here, it will be more efficient and benefit more than myself.
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by Dive Jedi on Nov 10, 2017 23:57:56 GMT 1, Maybe you should join the silver forum then. Just a thought...... That move would only serve me and will be selfish. If Mark can distill it on here, it will be more efficient and benefit more than myself. Very thoughtful of you. It's just that this is an art forum. Not a speculation forum. Nothing wrong with speculation - I'm all for that. But it will cluther the latest post thread with non-art related posts just like Bitcoins did/does. Which will be less efficient and not very benificial.
Maybe you should join the silver forum then. Just a thought...... That move would only serve me and will be selfish. If Mark can distill it on here, it will be more efficient and benefit more than myself. Very thoughtful of you. It's just that this is an art forum. Not a speculation forum. Nothing wrong with speculation - I'm all for that. But it will cluther the latest post thread with non-art related posts just like Bitcoins did/does. Which will be less efficient and not very benificial.
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 2:15:33 GMT 1, Just as I don't get someone who would go through the hassle of flipping a print for a couple of 100$, I guess flippers just don't get how it makes someone feel who wants a specific image they absolutely love to hang on their walls, only to have it snagged by someone that has absolutely no interest in the image or the artist itself and sell it at a price they can't logically afford.
I mean, flipping the new Banksy print? Meh, I still hate it, but I could see the merit in filling in your email addy and finding out, a few weeks later, that you just bought a 10k print for $500, from an established artist that presumably doesn't need the money anymore. I own a few Banksy's and as much as I like the images, they are partly investment. I like my Nick Walker - Love Vandal way way way more than all my my Banksy prints combined.
But this? A print from an upcoming artist? Which people actually love and enjoy for what he is and what he creates? Fuck off flipping that shit within a week and leave it to the people actually loving the art.
Just as I don't get someone who would go through the hassle of flipping a print for a couple of 100$, I guess flippers just don't get how it makes someone feel who wants a specific image they absolutely love to hang on their walls, only to have it snagged by someone that has absolutely no interest in the image or the artist itself and sell it at a price they can't logically afford.
I mean, flipping the new Banksy print? Meh, I still hate it, but I could see the merit in filling in your email addy and finding out, a few weeks later, that you just bought a 10k print for $500, from an established artist that presumably doesn't need the money anymore. I own a few Banksy's and as much as I like the images, they are partly investment. I like my Nick Walker - Love Vandal way way way more than all my my Banksy prints combined.
But this? A print from an upcoming artist? Which people actually love and enjoy for what he is and what he creates? Fuck off flipping that shit within a week and leave it to the people actually loving the art.
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by nobokov on Nov 11, 2017 3:05:03 GMT 1, Just as I don't get someone who would go through the hassle of flipping a print for a couple of 100$, I guess flippers just don't get how it makes someone feel who wants a specific image they absolutely love to hang on their walls, only to have it snagged by someone that has absolutely no interest in the image or the artist itself and sell it at a price they can't logically afford. I mean, flipping the new Banksy print? Meh, I still hate it, but I could see the merit in filling in your email addy and finding out, a few weeks later, that you just bought a 10k print for $500, from an established artist that presumably doesn't need the money anymore. I own a few Banksy's and as much as I like the images, they are partly investment. I like my Nick Walker - Love Vandal way way way more than all my my Banksy prints combined. But this? A print from an upcoming artist? Which people actually love and enjoy for what he is and what he creates? f**koff flipping thats**t within a week and leave it to the people actually loving the art. Is it just me, or does that sound a bit hypocritical? I think that if you're gonna take the anti-flipping stance, wouldn't it make sense to be against all flipping? Or is the problem that their profit margin isn't large enough?
Just as I don't get someone who would go through the hassle of flipping a print for a couple of 100$, I guess flippers just don't get how it makes someone feel who wants a specific image they absolutely love to hang on their walls, only to have it snagged by someone that has absolutely no interest in the image or the artist itself and sell it at a price they can't logically afford. I mean, flipping the new Banksy print? Meh, I still hate it, but I could see the merit in filling in your email addy and finding out, a few weeks later, that you just bought a 10k print for $500, from an established artist that presumably doesn't need the money anymore. I own a few Banksy's and as much as I like the images, they are partly investment. I like my Nick Walker - Love Vandal way way way more than all my my Banksy prints combined. But this? A print from an upcoming artist? Which people actually love and enjoy for what he is and what he creates? f**koff flipping thats**t within a week and leave it to the people actually loving the art. Is it just me, or does that sound a bit hypocritical? I think that if you're gonna take the anti-flipping stance, wouldn't it make sense to be against all flipping? Or is the problem that their profit margin isn't large enough?
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 3:17:24 GMT 1, Just as I don't get someone who would go through the hassle of flipping a print for a couple of 100$, I guess flippers just don't get how it makes someone feel who wants a specific image they absolutely love to hang on their walls, only to have it snagged by someone that has absolutely no interest in the image or the artist itself and sell it at a price they can't logically afford. I mean, flipping the new Banksy print? Meh, I still hate it, but I could see the merit in filling in your email addy and finding out, a few weeks later, that you just bought a 10k print for $500, from an established artist that presumably doesn't need the money anymore. I own a few Banksy's and as much as I like the images, they are partly investment. I like my Nick Walker - Love Vandal way way way more than all my my Banksy prints combined. But this? A print from an upcoming artist? Which people actually love and enjoy for what he is and what he creates? f**koff flipping thats**t within a week and leave it to the people actually loving the art. Is it just me, or does that sound a bit hypocritical? I think that if you're gonna take the anti-flipping stance, wouldn't it make sense to be against all flipping? Or is the problem that their profit margin isn't large enough? To me it's a pretty hard question as I'm pretty much a right wing capitalist kinda guy myself. I believe in property rights, so in a theoretical way I'm fine with people using opportunities to create value for themselves.
But morally, I mean come on. There's a fine line somewhere and I strongly believe that flipping prints from emerging artists where people actually have a strong desire to frame and hang the print is over that line.
Just as I don't get someone who would go through the hassle of flipping a print for a couple of 100$, I guess flippers just don't get how it makes someone feel who wants a specific image they absolutely love to hang on their walls, only to have it snagged by someone that has absolutely no interest in the image or the artist itself and sell it at a price they can't logically afford. I mean, flipping the new Banksy print? Meh, I still hate it, but I could see the merit in filling in your email addy and finding out, a few weeks later, that you just bought a 10k print for $500, from an established artist that presumably doesn't need the money anymore. I own a few Banksy's and as much as I like the images, they are partly investment. I like my Nick Walker - Love Vandal way way way more than all my my Banksy prints combined. But this? A print from an upcoming artist? Which people actually love and enjoy for what he is and what he creates? f**koff flipping thats**t within a week and leave it to the people actually loving the art. Is it just me, or does that sound a bit hypocritical? I think that if you're gonna take the anti-flipping stance, wouldn't it make sense to be against all flipping? Or is the problem that their profit margin isn't large enough? To me it's a pretty hard question as I'm pretty much a right wing capitalist kinda guy myself. I believe in property rights, so in a theoretical way I'm fine with people using opportunities to create value for themselves. But morally, I mean come on. There's a fine line somewhere and I strongly believe that flipping prints from emerging artists where people actually have a strong desire to frame and hang the print is over that line.
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by chevyav53 on Nov 11, 2017 3:27:27 GMT 1, Is this guy even flipping it for more? I thought he said at cost? Offer him cost and mark this as sold.
I too have lost out to prints I wanted. But Iโve also sold some to pay for new ones, sometimes right away as these damn releases come fast these days, so cant hate. But if the secondary market had patience it could get pieces essentially at cost as there are a lot of people trying to flip that are not able to hold onto the art too long. In summary canโt hate someone for trying to make money because if they knocked on your door asking for food because they were hungry youโd probably say F&(#( off or get a job.
Is this guy even flipping it for more? I thought he said at cost? Offer him cost and mark this as sold.
I too have lost out to prints I wanted. But Iโve also sold some to pay for new ones, sometimes right away as these damn releases come fast these days, so cant hate. But if the secondary market had patience it could get pieces essentially at cost as there are a lot of people trying to flip that are not able to hold onto the art too long. In summary canโt hate someone for trying to make money because if they knocked on your door asking for food because they were hungry youโd probably say F&(#( off or get a job.
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by J0NNY on Nov 11, 2017 4:27:35 GMT 1, People are quick to whinge about the flippers but will still put posts out there asking for people to sell them new releases for a quick profit . Kinda just fueling the fire.
People are quick to whinge about the flippers but will still put posts out there asking for people to sell them new releases for a quick profit . Kinda just fueling the fire.
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by nobokov on Nov 11, 2017 4:32:22 GMT 1, Is it just me, or does that sound a bit hypocritical? I think that if you're gonna take the anti-flipping stance, wouldn't it make sense to be against all flipping? Or is the problem that their profit margin isn't large enough? To me it's a pretty hard question as I'm pretty much a right wing capitalist kinda guy myself. I believe in property rights, so in a theoretical way I'm fine with people using opportunities to create value for themselves. But morally, I mean come on. There's a fine line somewhere and I strongly believe that flipping prints from emerging artists where people actually have a strong desire to frame and hang the print is over that line. I don't know. I'm having a tough time seeing it as morality debate. One person wants to buy art to hang and one wants to sell to profit from it. But who's getting hurt and why is one action wrong and the other right?
If you have a strong desire to own the artwork to frame, how strong is that desire? Is it strong enough to pay $100 over MSRP? or $400? Or is the main appeal of an emerging artist that they're affordable and perhaps you can sell one at a great profit one day? If that's the case, the anger might be stemming from the flipper reducing your future profit and increasing the monetary risk of owning that artwork today and making you choose whether you love that artwork, believe in the artist's rise, enough to pay the flipper price.
Does flipping artwork hurt the artists? They lose out on the profit that they might have earned if they had sold at a higher price originally, but I wonder if it helps the artists and galleries who might profit from the hype to see the artwork potentially pass through the hands of many segments of society. If the ultimate goal of the artist is to become famous and sell their artwork at high prices, how does flipping hurt them? Flipping seems to put the artwork in the hands of those in higher economic strata while keeping the ones in lower levels feening for more. The audience that makes the most sense for the artist are the rich so does it hurt their popularity if the artwork gets into that higher stratum sooner rather than later?
Is it just me, or does that sound a bit hypocritical? I think that if you're gonna take the anti-flipping stance, wouldn't it make sense to be against all flipping? Or is the problem that their profit margin isn't large enough? To me it's a pretty hard question as I'm pretty much a right wing capitalist kinda guy myself. I believe in property rights, so in a theoretical way I'm fine with people using opportunities to create value for themselves. But morally, I mean come on. There's a fine line somewhere and I strongly believe that flipping prints from emerging artists where people actually have a strong desire to frame and hang the print is over that line. I don't know. I'm having a tough time seeing it as morality debate. One person wants to buy art to hang and one wants to sell to profit from it. But who's getting hurt and why is one action wrong and the other right? If you have a strong desire to own the artwork to frame, how strong is that desire? Is it strong enough to pay $100 over MSRP? or $400? Or is the main appeal of an emerging artist that they're affordable and perhaps you can sell one at a great profit one day? If that's the case, the anger might be stemming from the flipper reducing your future profit and increasing the monetary risk of owning that artwork today and making you choose whether you love that artwork, believe in the artist's rise, enough to pay the flipper price. Does flipping artwork hurt the artists? They lose out on the profit that they might have earned if they had sold at a higher price originally, but I wonder if it helps the artists and galleries who might profit from the hype to see the artwork potentially pass through the hands of many segments of society. If the ultimate goal of the artist is to become famous and sell their artwork at high prices, how does flipping hurt them? Flipping seems to put the artwork in the hands of those in higher economic strata while keeping the ones in lower levels feening for more. The audience that makes the most sense for the artist are the rich so does it hurt their popularity if the artwork gets into that higher stratum sooner rather than later?
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 4:37:00 GMT 1, Is this guy even flipping it for more? yes I thought he said at cost? nope Offer him cost and mark this as sold. I too have lost out to prints I wanted. But Iโve also sold some to pay for new ones, sometimes right away as these damn releases come fast these days, so cant hate. yes, can hate, if you felt the need to sell right away, you shouldn't have bought the print in the first place as you clearly don't even like the image enough to frame/hang But if the secondary market had patience it could get pieces essentially at cost as there are a lot of people trying to flip that are not able to hold onto the art too long. not able to hold onto the art too long? then don't buy if you cant afford it In summary canโt hate someone for trying to make money because if they knocked on your door asking for food because they were hungry youโd probably say F&(#( off or get a job. can hate, there's a pretty large difference between not being able to eat, and just trying to accumulate even more wealth
Is this guy even flipping it for more? yes I thought he said at cost? nope Offer him cost and mark this as sold. I too have lost out to prints I wanted. But Iโve also sold some to pay for new ones, sometimes right away as these damn releases come fast these days, so cant hate. yes, can hate, if you felt the need to sell right away, you shouldn't have bought the print in the first place as you clearly don't even like the image enough to frame/hang But if the secondary market had patience it could get pieces essentially at cost as there are a lot of people trying to flip that are not able to hold onto the art too long. not able to hold onto the art too long? then don't buy if you cant afford it In summary canโt hate someone for trying to make money because if they knocked on your door asking for food because they were hungry youโd probably say F&(#( off or get a job. can hate, there's a pretty large difference between not being able to eat, and just trying to accumulate even more wealth
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 4:38:51 GMT 1, People are quick to whinge about the flippers but will still put posts out there asking for people to sell them new releases for a quick profit . Kinda just fueling the fire. Meh I'd pay 10% above cost to cover their time actually F5'ing for the print or standing in line, but flippers mostly ask 3/4/5x.
People are quick to whinge about the flippers but will still put posts out there asking for people to sell them new releases for a quick profit . Kinda just fueling the fire. Meh I'd pay 10% above cost to cover their time actually F5'ing for the print or standing in line, but flippers mostly ask 3/4/5x.
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 4:42:46 GMT 1, To me it's a pretty hard question as I'm pretty much a right wing capitalist kinda guy myself. I believe in property rights, so in a theoretical way I'm fine with people using opportunities to create value for themselves. But morally, I mean come on. There's a fine line somewhere and I strongly believe that flipping prints from emerging artists where people actually have a strong desire to frame and hang the print is over that line. I don't know. I'm having a tough time seeing it as morality debate. One person wants to buy art to hang and one wants to sell to profit from it. But who's getting hurt and why is one action wrong and the other right? If you have a strong desire to own the artwork to frame, how strong is that desire? Is it strong enough to pay $100 over MSRP? or $400? Or is the main appeal of an emerging artist that they're affordable and perhaps you can sell one at a great profit one day? If that's the case, the anger might be stemming from the flipper reducing your future profit and increasing the monetary risk of owning that artwork today and making you choose whether you love that artwork, believe in the artist's rise, enough to pay the flipper price. Does flipping artwork hurt the artists? They lose out on the profit that they might have earned if they had sold at a higher price originally, but I wonder if it helps the artists and galleries who might profit from the hype to see the artwork potentially pass through the hands of many segments of society. If the ultimate goal of the artist is to become famous and sell their artwork at high prices, how does flipping hurt them? Flipping seems to put the artwork in the hands of those in higher economic strata while keeping the ones in lower levels feening for more. The audience that makes the most sense for the artist are the rich so does it hurt their popularity if the artwork gets into that higher stratum sooner rather than later? This is all focusing on price. What about the actual image of the art?
The person getting hurt is the person that wanted to pay the artists price for the piece of art for the image provided, but who is deprived of being able to buy it at said price because of someone with no love whatsoever for the image, that just decided it's a good opportunity to accumulate wealth.
To me it's a pretty hard question as I'm pretty much a right wing capitalist kinda guy myself. I believe in property rights, so in a theoretical way I'm fine with people using opportunities to create value for themselves. But morally, I mean come on. There's a fine line somewhere and I strongly believe that flipping prints from emerging artists where people actually have a strong desire to frame and hang the print is over that line. I don't know. I'm having a tough time seeing it as morality debate. One person wants to buy art to hang and one wants to sell to profit from it. But who's getting hurt and why is one action wrong and the other right? If you have a strong desire to own the artwork to frame, how strong is that desire? Is it strong enough to pay $100 over MSRP? or $400? Or is the main appeal of an emerging artist that they're affordable and perhaps you can sell one at a great profit one day? If that's the case, the anger might be stemming from the flipper reducing your future profit and increasing the monetary risk of owning that artwork today and making you choose whether you love that artwork, believe in the artist's rise, enough to pay the flipper price. Does flipping artwork hurt the artists? They lose out on the profit that they might have earned if they had sold at a higher price originally, but I wonder if it helps the artists and galleries who might profit from the hype to see the artwork potentially pass through the hands of many segments of society. If the ultimate goal of the artist is to become famous and sell their artwork at high prices, how does flipping hurt them? Flipping seems to put the artwork in the hands of those in higher economic strata while keeping the ones in lower levels feening for more. The audience that makes the most sense for the artist are the rich so does it hurt their popularity if the artwork gets into that higher stratum sooner rather than later? This is all focusing on price. What about the actual image of the art? The person getting hurt is the person that wanted to pay the artists price for the piece of art for the image provided, but who is deprived of being able to buy it at said price because of someone with no love whatsoever for the image, that just decided it's a good opportunity to accumulate wealth.
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by nobokov on Nov 11, 2017 4:49:37 GMT 1,
I don't know. I'm having a tough time seeing it as morality debate. One person wants to buy art to hang and one wants to sell to profit from it. But who's getting hurt and why is one action wrong and the other right? If you have a strong desire to own the artwork to frame, how strong is that desire? Is it strong enough to pay $100 over MSRP? or $400? Or is the main appeal of an emerging artist that they're affordable and perhaps you can sell one at a great profit one day? If that's the case, the anger might be stemming from the flipper reducing your future profit and increasing the monetary risk of owning that artwork today and making you choose whether you love that artwork, believe in the artist's rise, enough to pay the flipper price. Does flipping artwork hurt the artists? They lose out on the profit that they might have earned if they had sold at a higher price originally, but I wonder if it helps the artists and galleries who might profit from the hype to see the artwork potentially pass through the hands of many segments of society. If the ultimate goal of the artist is to become famous and sell their artwork at high prices, how does flipping hurt them? Flipping seems to put the artwork in the hands of those in higher economic strata while keeping the ones in lower levels feening for more. The audience that makes the most sense for the artist are the rich so does it hurt their popularity if the artwork gets into that higher stratum sooner rather than later? This is all focusing on price. What about the actual image of the art? The person getting hurt is the person that wanted to pay the artists price for the piece of art for the image provided, but who is deprived of being able to buy it at said price because of someone with no love whatsoever for the image, that just decided it's a good opportunity to accumulate wealth.
But isn't owning art mainly all about the price? If Pez decided to price the print at $1500, would you still be in? He'd still be an emerging artist. Would you still buy the print if it was $1500, and there were 125 remaining in stock?
I don't know. I'm having a tough time seeing it as morality debate. One person wants to buy art to hang and one wants to sell to profit from it. But who's getting hurt and why is one action wrong and the other right? If you have a strong desire to own the artwork to frame, how strong is that desire? Is it strong enough to pay $100 over MSRP? or $400? Or is the main appeal of an emerging artist that they're affordable and perhaps you can sell one at a great profit one day? If that's the case, the anger might be stemming from the flipper reducing your future profit and increasing the monetary risk of owning that artwork today and making you choose whether you love that artwork, believe in the artist's rise, enough to pay the flipper price. Does flipping artwork hurt the artists? They lose out on the profit that they might have earned if they had sold at a higher price originally, but I wonder if it helps the artists and galleries who might profit from the hype to see the artwork potentially pass through the hands of many segments of society. If the ultimate goal of the artist is to become famous and sell their artwork at high prices, how does flipping hurt them? Flipping seems to put the artwork in the hands of those in higher economic strata while keeping the ones in lower levels feening for more. The audience that makes the most sense for the artist are the rich so does it hurt their popularity if the artwork gets into that higher stratum sooner rather than later? This is all focusing on price. What about the actual image of the art? The person getting hurt is the person that wanted to pay the artists price for the piece of art for the image provided, but who is deprived of being able to buy it at said price because of someone with no love whatsoever for the image, that just decided it's a good opportunity to accumulate wealth. But isn't owning art mainly all about the price? If Pez decided to price the print at $1500, would you still be in? He'd still be an emerging artist. Would you still buy the print if it was $1500, and there were 125 remaining in stock?
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PEZ - Alter Ego, by Express Post on Nov 11, 2017 5:11:02 GMT 1, This is all focusing on price...ย But isn't owning art mainly all about the price? If Pez decided to price the print at $1500, would you still be in? He'd still be an emerging artist. Would you still buy the print if it was $1500, and there were 125 remaining in stock?
Price is a gateway into owning art and controlling demand.
If the price is set high enough, then the purchase will be made primarily on the desire to own the image. If the incentive/upside is removed, then the acquisition will become less about money.
Obviously the artist has to eat, so to generate sales, the price will usually be lower than perceived market value.
It can get ugly if the pricing is off, and I look to Robert and Ethel Scull who made a market out of the pop art movement from the 60s.
This is all focusing on price...ย But isn't owning art mainly all about the price? If Pez decided to price the print at $1500, would you still be in? He'd still be an emerging artist. Would you still buy the print if it was $1500, and there were 125 remaining in stock? Price is a gateway into owning art and controlling demand. If the price is set high enough, then the purchase will be made primarily on the desire to own the image. If the incentive/upside is removed, then the acquisition will become less about money. Obviously the artist has to eat, so to generate sales, the price will usually be lower than perceived market value. It can get ugly if the pricing is off, and I look to Robert and Ethel Scull who made a market out of the pop art movement from the 60s.
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