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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by blerd on Feb 23, 2018 9:28:14 GMT 1, While its undeniably a mess, there seems to be a lot of people shouting "fight, fight" like at school & shitstirring.
While its undeniably a mess, there seems to be a lot of people shouting "fight, fight" like at school & shitstirring.
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by Reader on Feb 23, 2018 9:33:41 GMT 1, Here's how it works, and I've printed with everyone from Sandra Chevrier to Dolk, Eine, Henrik Uldalen , Martha Cooper to Blek and all in-between. You have a project, a charity event, magazine launch, exhibition, whatever. You ask the artist if they'll do a print with you. If they're not particularly famous, it's pretty straightforward. Rarely are contracts made, relying on trust, and email chain and spoken agreements. You agree 100 signed, 200 unsigned. You print all 300, plus extras, say around 20 or 30 or so. Artists signs the 100, signs a few Ap's/PP's etc, the rest are stuck on the shelf. At some point, there's an agreement to not release the unsigned, and the unsigned are then scrapped. At this point it would be normal to destroy these extras- but that somehow feels wrong, the artist isn't around, it's not that big a deal, they're not really worth anything, (but at the back of your mind you think, yeah but what if ) so you pack them up and stick them on a shelf and forget about them. Years later, the artist blows up, prices increase until, wow, you can't believe it. You know the artist won't now consent, you should have binned these, but.. fuck. They're worth a small fortune. So you sneak behind the artists back, sell one or two on ebay, drop one or two on forums, sell a few to lower tier galleries.. wow, made 7k already. Then you list them here and it blows up, over a 100 DM's, great, it's official.. let's put them all through the gallery/company I now have and offload them quickly instead of drip, drip, drip...Yes, they were official, yes they're kind of "Invaders", yes your unethical and ripping everyone off. Worth 50 quid or so at best.
Here's how it works, and I've printed with everyone from Sandra Chevrier to Dolk, Eine, Henrik Uldalen , Martha Cooper to Blek and all in-between. You have a project, a charity event, magazine launch, exhibition, whatever. You ask the artist if they'll do a print with you. If they're not particularly famous, it's pretty straightforward. Rarely are contracts made, relying on trust, and email chain and spoken agreements. You agree 100 signed, 200 unsigned. You print all 300, plus extras, say around 20 or 30 or so. Artists signs the 100, signs a few Ap's/PP's etc, the rest are stuck on the shelf. At some point, there's an agreement to not release the unsigned, and the unsigned are then scrapped. At this point it would be normal to destroy these extras- but that somehow feels wrong, the artist isn't around, it's not that big a deal, they're not really worth anything, (but at the back of your mind you think, yeah but what if ) so you pack them up and stick them on a shelf and forget about them. Years later, the artist blows up, prices increase until, wow, you can't believe it. You know the artist won't now consent, you should have binned these, but.. fuck. They're worth a small fortune. So you sneak behind the artists back, sell one or two on ebay, drop one or two on forums, sell a few to lower tier galleries.. wow, made 7k already. Then you list them here and it blows up, over a 100 DM's, great, it's official.. let's put them all through the gallery/company I now have and offload them quickly instead of drip, drip, drip...Yes, they were official, yes they're kind of "Invaders", yes your unethical and ripping everyone off. Worth 50 quid or so at best.
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by whob1 on Feb 23, 2018 11:25:26 GMT 1, "You agree 100 signed, 200 unsigned. You print all 300, plus extras, say around 20 or 30 or so. Artists signs the 100, signs a few Ap's/PP's etc, the rest are stuck on the shelf. At some point, there's an agreement to not release the unsigned.."
Im not sure your conclusion "worth 50 quid or so at best" can be drawn from this. You speak in general based on your experience, but we dont know what has happened here. This is totally up to what State of Play and Orbi/Invader can prove on agreements. Any written documentation will help them in their favor. If they agreed to print "300", but Invader cant prove that the unsigned was never meant to be released, I guess he/his team screwed up.
"You agree 100 signed, 200 unsigned. You print all 300, plus extras, say around 20 or 30 or so. Artists signs the 100, signs a few Ap's/PP's etc, the rest are stuck on the shelf. At some point, there's an agreement to not release the unsigned.."
Im not sure your conclusion "worth 50 quid or so at best" can be drawn from this. You speak in general based on your experience, but we dont know what has happened here. This is totally up to what State of Play and Orbi/Invader can prove on agreements. Any written documentation will help them in their favor. If they agreed to print "300", but Invader cant prove that the unsigned was never meant to be released, I guess he/his team screwed up.
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by woodman on Feb 23, 2018 11:45:53 GMT 1, So Orbi guesses it's legit: You have a COA from the editor (State of Play) so I guess it is legit.Yet if we believe what Pascal1 has put on here he says "if you like the image and it is cheap, you should buy it but don't buy it to own a legit Invader.If it was a fake It would have been far easier for Orbi to say "ITS A FAKE", he guesses its legit....its a figure of speech....no mention of fake or it might be fake anywhere.
I am not saying it is a fake, what I am saying is if Pascal is to be believed (which I see no reason why come on and say what he has if it's easily proved otherwise), then why would Orbi say "if you like the image and it is cheap, you should buy it but don't buy it to own a legit Invader".
To me, he is classing it as a backdoor print - which is not what people on here thought they were buying.
So Orbi guesses it's legit: You have a COA from the editor (State of Play) so I guess it is legit.Yet if we believe what Pascal1 has put on here he says "if you like the image and it is cheap, you should buy it but don't buy it to own a legit Invader.If it was a fake It would have been far easier for Orbi to say "ITS A FAKE", he guesses its legit....its a figure of speech....no mention of fake or it might be fake anywhere. I am not saying it is a fake, what I am saying is if Pascal is to be believed (which I see no reason why come on and say what he has if it's easily proved otherwise), then why would Orbi say "if you like the image and it is cheap, you should buy it but don't buy it to own a legit Invader".To me, he is classing it as a backdoor print - which is not what people on here thought they were buying. |
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by chrispa on Feb 23, 2018 11:57:28 GMT 1, Of course..Orbi could be more than 1 person, each with a slightly different take on this
Of course..Orbi could be more than 1 person, each with a slightly different take on this
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by Cookiemonster on Feb 23, 2018 12:08:34 GMT 1, These were sold and described as "Invader Prisoner Print" as stated both in your e-mail and Invoice. If it turns out that State of Play was not authorised by Invader to print these "Invader Prisoner Prints", they are not "Invader Prisoner Prints", they are unauthorised reproductions of Art, a.k.a. counterfeit. So if that was the case, buyers would have every right to take legal action Will leave it at that for now, as this forum is not the appropriate place to take action if it turns out to be warranted. Matt i would suggest that you maybe contradicting yourself? they cannot be counterfeit if they were printed and published by the original publisher at the time to be given away free with their magazine as was the case..and supported with a stamped COA from the Publisher...signed and numbered by the Director, this clearly shows that the prints cannot be fake as you suggest...I agree with you this forum is not the place for action...i have contacted Tia Grazzette the then Publisher and Director of State of Play magazine and asked for her comments..and state again that if these prints are indeed proved to be 'FAKE' beyond all reasonable doubt then i shall issue a full refund to all involved...i can do no more for now..than apologise if this is the case.
These were sold and described as "Invader Prisoner Print" as stated both in your e-mail and Invoice. If it turns out that State of Play was not authorised by Invader to print these "Invader Prisoner Prints", they are not "Invader Prisoner Prints", they are unauthorised reproductions of Art, a.k.a. counterfeit. So if that was the case, buyers would have every right to take legal action Will leave it at that for now, as this forum is not the appropriate place to take action if it turns out to be warranted. Matt i would suggest that you maybe contradicting yourself? they cannot be counterfeit if they were printed and published by the original publisher at the time to be given away free with their magazine as was the case..and supported with a stamped COA from the Publisher...signed and numbered by the Director, this clearly shows that the prints cannot be fake as you suggest...I agree with you this forum is not the place for action...i have contacted Tia Grazzette the then Publisher and Director of State of Play magazine and asked for her comments..and state again that if these prints are indeed proved to be 'FAKE' beyond all reasonable doubt then i shall issue a full refund to all involved...i can do no more for now..than apologise if this is the case. Anyone who has bought one, especially here in the UK, can ask for a full refund within 14 days of purchase, under the Distance Selling Act. Irrespective to them being a "fake" or not. No retailer has the right to withhold any monies if a refund has been requested during this period. |
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by whob1 on Feb 23, 2018 12:09:14 GMT 1, But speculations doesnt help. There are serious parts involved, lets hope they communicate, and doesnt come out with anymore vague comments. Its up to them to make an agreement and conclusions, and inform the customers.
But speculations doesnt help. There are serious parts involved, lets hope they communicate, and doesnt come out with anymore vague comments. Its up to them to make an agreement and conclusions, and inform the customers.
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by moron on Feb 23, 2018 12:23:28 GMT 1, Just contact Invader and ask him if these prints are authorised by him, if they are fake or not. If Invader refuses to reply and they do turn out to be fake, make a claim against Invader and the seller. If thats not possible then if Invader refuse to confirm or deny or answer it just ruins Invaders credibility.
Just contact Invader and ask him if these prints are authorised by him, if they are fake or not. If Invader refuses to reply and they do turn out to be fake, make a claim against Invader and the seller. If thats not possible then if Invader refuse to confirm or deny or answer it just ruins Invaders credibility.
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by woodman on Feb 23, 2018 12:26:34 GMT 1, CookieMonster - these were bought over 5 months ago.
CookieMonster - these were bought over 5 months ago.
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by Cookiemonster on Feb 23, 2018 12:28:14 GMT 1, CookieMonster - these were bought over 5 months ago.
CookieMonster - these were bought over 5 months ago. Abort, Abort, Delete, Delete - apologies, as I was reading the last page first. |
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by Dahmer on Feb 23, 2018 12:34:06 GMT 1, anyone looking to unload one of these, happy to offer £25, dm me.
anyone looking to unload one of these, happy to offer £25, dm me.
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by cizza19 on Feb 23, 2018 12:39:19 GMT 1, Just contact Invader and ask him if these prints are authorised by him, if they are fake or not. If Invader refuses to reply and they do turn out to be fake, make a claim against Invader and the seller. If thats not possible then if Invader refuse to confirm or deny or answer it just ruins Invaders credibility.
It's like me buying a fake Rolex, emailing customer support with a picture, if they don't reply me claiming it's their fault I bought a fake, the artist (or in my example company) that has had their work faked would not be culpable, they have a claim against the seller if anything
Just contact Invader and ask him if these prints are authorised by him, if they are fake or not. If Invader refuses to reply and they do turn out to be fake, make a claim against Invader and the seller. If thats not possible then if Invader refuse to confirm or deny or answer it just ruins Invaders credibility. you can't make a claim against Invader, it would be laughed at and thrown out if it's a fake. It's like me buying a fake Rolex, emailing customer support with a picture, if they don't reply me claiming it's their fault I bought a fake, the artist (or in my example company) that has had their work faked would not be culpable, they have a claim against the seller if anything |
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by GMA on Feb 23, 2018 13:04:29 GMT 1, anyone looking to unload one of these, happy to offer £25, dm me.
Gotta love a chancer hah, I'd pay £100 for one of these. But it won't happen, if I had one I'd just bite the bullet and put it down to experience and enjoy it on the wall. Although there would probably be five different stages of anger, phone calls and emails before that.
anyone looking to unload one of these, happy to offer £25, dm me. Gotta love a chancer hah, I'd pay £100 for one of these. But it won't happen, if I had one I'd just bite the bullet and put it down to experience and enjoy it on the wall. Although there would probably be five different stages of anger, phone calls and emails before that. |
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by steph rat catcher on Feb 23, 2018 13:41:59 GMT 1, I didn't even get 1 but still want me fucking money back 😤
I didn't even get 1 but still want me fucking money back 😤
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by nighthawk on Feb 23, 2018 14:02:48 GMT 1, I didn't even get 1 but still want me f**kingmoney back 😤
Haha! 
I didn't even get 1 but still want me f**kingmoney back 😤 Haha! |
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by artearte on Feb 23, 2018 14:27:55 GMT 1, I have deal with Andy few times and never had any problem!
If he sold those for sure was with out know it!
Those was offered to all the gallery and dealers in UK and USA!
I have deal with Andy few times and never had any problem!
If he sold those for sure was with out know it!
Those was offered to all the gallery and dealers in UK and USA!
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by soupysound on Feb 23, 2018 14:42:43 GMT 1, the convoluted and varying replies from orbi are really what make this a bit confusing.....
seems like it is either authorized by invader or not.
the convoluted and varying replies from orbi are really what make this a bit confusing.....
seems like it is either authorized by invader or not.
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by woodman on Feb 23, 2018 16:08:47 GMT 1, the convoluted and varying replies from orbi are really what make this a bit confusing..... seems like it is either authorized by invader or not.
This is what is very odd.
the convoluted and varying replies from orbi are really what make this a bit confusing..... seems like it is either authorized by invader or not. This is what is very odd. |
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by Cookiemonster on Feb 23, 2018 16:11:50 GMT 1, the convoluted and varying replies from orbi are really what make this a bit confusing..... seems like it is either authorized by invader or not. 
the convoluted and varying replies from orbi are really what make this a bit confusing..... seems like it is either authorized by invader or not. it depends on what version of google translate pascal1 is using |
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by met on Feb 23, 2018 16:43:00 GMT 1, Ok, so I was slightly worried prior to buying my copy, but I spoke to CAT and they reassured me that these were the real deal. I then saw a gew comments in this thread that doubted the prints authenticity so I emailed Orbi.... On 27 Nov 2017 13:53, "spaceshop@space-invaders.com" <spaceshop@space-invaders.com> wrote: Hi Steve, Well, what I can tell you is that it is an unsigned print of a design Invader created years ago for State of Play. You have a COA from the editor (State of Play) so I guess it is legit. Kind regards, Orbi > Le 25 nov. 2017 à 13:12, Steve Jenkins <its.stevejenkins@googlemail.com> a écrit : > > Hi there Mr Invader I hope you can help me out please? > > Basically I have bought an unsigned giclee print of "Prisoners" from a gallery and I wanted to confirm that is really one of yours and I havent bought a fake. > > Its from a 2007 edition of 250 with a "COA" from State Of Play magazine, I have attached it for you. > > I have been a fan of yours for some time and this I thought was a great opportunity to get a great print of yours as I have been unable to get the last few releases. > > Please let me know if it is legit. > > Kind regards, > Steve > As I understand it, Orbi is basically Invader or a spokesperson for him and he says its legit.
Cheers for posting your email exchange.
As with the posts by pascal1 and djtoine (assuming they're genuine), it's very helpful to have these communications that come directly from Orbi.
Because, in the end, what the publisher has to say about the unsigned print release is completely secondary to what Invader or his representative has to say. Moreover, that publisher's viewpoint arguably becomes irrelevant to the extent it is contradicted by the artist. No due diligence is therefore complete if the determination by the most critical figure — Invader himself — has been left out of the equation.
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What's interesting yet confusing with Orbi's reply to you is that it's contradicted by the response to pascal1. And to djtoine (in French). Regarding the latter, here's an English translation:
"Hello,
It depends on what you mean by legitimate, but on the whole I would say no.
It's the same publisher (State of Play) as the original print, the same design but this print run was produced and sold without the authorisation of Invader.
In any event these are not signed. It's a bit like if you were to buy an IKEA type of copy, but a bit better since it comes from the same publisher.
Afterwards, everything depends on the price you're being asked to pay."
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There's a notable difference as well in tone and substance when considering the email you received. As previously referred to by woodman, Orbi comes across as almost uncertain, as if responding off-the-cuff: "[...] so I guess it is legit." It could also be a language-barrier issue.
The replies to pascal1 and djtoine are far more definitive, categoric — and far more detailed.
Separately, it's worth considering the chronology. Your email came through on 27 November 2017. djtoine received their communication at some point the following month, in December 2017. [It's unclear when pascal1 received their message.]
Could it be that, during this time interval, Orbi sought additional clarification from Invader about the unsigned release? Or that Invader gave the matter further thought (perhaps trawling through records and memories) and subsequently revised his position?
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The crucial element is where the artist stands today in relation to these 250 unsigned copies of Prisoners:
1. If Invader has chosen to embrace the edition as legitimate, as part of his body of work, recent buyers need to hear this news — as confirmation that what they ended up with corresponds to what they believed they were purchasing.
2. If Invader or his representative continues to state the edition was produced and sold without consent, then it is officially unauthorised. We are then talking about backdoor prints and copyright infringement.
Has anyone received an update from Orbi in the last 48 hours?
Ok, so I was slightly worried prior to buying my copy, but I spoke to CAT and they reassured me that these were the real deal. I then saw a gew comments in this thread that doubted the prints authenticity so I emailed Orbi.... On 27 Nov 2017 13:53, "spaceshop@space-invaders.com" <spaceshop@space-invaders.com> wrote: Hi Steve, Well, what I can tell you is that it is an unsigned print of a design Invader created years ago for State of Play. You have a COA from the editor (State of Play) so I guess it is legit. Kind regards, Orbi > Le 25 nov. 2017 à 13:12, Steve Jenkins <its.stevejenkins@googlemail.com> a écrit : > > Hi there Mr Invader I hope you can help me out please? > > Basically I have bought an unsigned giclee print of "Prisoners" from a gallery and I wanted to confirm that is really one of yours and I havent bought a fake. > > Its from a 2007 edition of 250 with a "COA" from State Of Play magazine, I have attached it for you. > > I have been a fan of yours for some time and this I thought was a great opportunity to get a great print of yours as I have been unable to get the last few releases. > > Please let me know if it is legit. > > Kind regards, > Steve > As I understand it, Orbi is basically Invader or a spokesperson for him and he says its legit. Cheers for posting your email exchange. As with the posts by pascal1 and djtoine (assuming they're genuine), it's very helpful to have these communications that come directly from Orbi. Because, in the end, what the publisher has to say about the unsigned print release is completely secondary to what In vader or his representative has to say. Moreover, that publisher's viewpoint arguably becomes irrelevant to the extent it is contradicted by the artist. No due diligence is therefore complete if the determination by the most critical figure — In vader himself — has been left out of the equation. __________ What's interesting yet confusing with Orbi's reply to you is that it's contradicted by the response to pascal1. And to djtoine (in French). Regarding the latter, here's an English translation: "Hello,
It depends on what you mean by legitimate, but on the whole I would say no.
It's the same publisher (State of Play) as the original print, the same design but this print run was produced and sold without the authorisation of Invader.
In any event these are not signed. It's a bit like if you were to buy an IKEA type of copy, but a bit better since it comes from the same publisher.
Afterwards, everything depends on the price you're being asked to pay."__________ There's a notable difference as well in tone and substance when considering the email you received. As previously referred to by woodman, Orbi comes across as almost uncertain, as if responding off-the-cuff: "[...] so I guess it is legit." It could also be a language-barrier issue. The replies to pascal1 and djtoine are far more definitive, categoric — and far more detailed. Separately, it's worth considering the chronology. Your email came through on 27 November 2017. djtoine received their communication at some point the following month, in December 2017. [It's unclear when pascal1 received their message.] Could it be that, during this time interval, Orbi sought additional clarification from In vader about the unsigned release? Or that In vader gave the matter further thought (perhaps trawling through records and memories) and subsequently revised his position? __________ The crucial element is where the artist stands today in relation to these 250 unsigned copies of Prisoners: 1. If In vader has chosen to embrace the edition as legitimate, as part of his body of work, recent buyers need to hear this news — as confirmation that what they ended up with corresponds to what they believed they were purchasing. 2. If In vader or his representative continues to state the edition was produced and sold without consent, then it is officially unauthorised. We are then talking about backdoor prints and copyright infringement. Has anyone received an update from Orbi in the last 48 hours? |
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by Flashback on Feb 23, 2018 16:57:14 GMT 1, I would suspect that if Invader wasn't aware of the unsigned run then they're currently trying to cut a deal with him in order to validate the sales.
A slice of a pie is better than no pie at all...
I would suspect that if Invader wasn't aware of the unsigned run then they're currently trying to cut a deal with him in order to validate the sales.
A slice of a pie is better than no pie at all...
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 17:07:06 GMT 1, I would suspect that if Invader wasn't aware of the unsigned run then they're currently trying to cut a deal with him in order to validate the sales. A slice of a pie is better than no pie at all...
wonder if he would get his retrospective cut of 50% + on sales on the 250 prints
Interested to see how it plays out
I would suspect that if Invader wasn't aware of the unsigned run then they're currently trying to cut a deal with him in order to validate the sales. A slice of a pie is better than no pie at all... wonder if he would get his retrospective cut of 50% + on sales on the 250 prints Interested to see how it plays out |
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by Flashback on Feb 23, 2018 17:10:30 GMT 1, I would suspect that if Invader wasn't aware of the unsigned run then they're currently trying to cut a deal with him in order to validate the sales. A slice of a pie is better than no pie at all... wonder if he would get his retrospective cut of 50% + on sales on the 250 prints Interested to see how it plays out
If they have been duplicitous then he could ask for more than 50% as he could technically kill all those sales.
I would suspect that if Invader wasn't aware of the unsigned run then they're currently trying to cut a deal with him in order to validate the sales. A slice of a pie is better than no pie at all... wonder if he would get his retrospective cut of 50% + on sales on the 250 prints Interested to see how it plays out Either they both win or they both lose. If they have been duplicitous then he could ask for more than 50% as he could technically kill all those sales. |
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by cizza19 on Feb 23, 2018 17:18:42 GMT 1, wonder if he would get his retrospective cut of 50% + on sales on the 250 prints Interested to see how it plays out Either they both win or they both lose. If they have been duplicitous then he could ask for more than 50% as he could technically kill all those sales.
wonder if he would get his retrospective cut of 50% + on sales on the 250 prints Interested to see how it plays out Either they both win or they both lose. If they have been duplicitous then he could ask for more than 50% as he could technically kill all those sales. not sure he loses necessarily he can release a new print, or a print of an old work and sell out instantly, in fact I'd argue he possibly loses if he agrees after this farce |
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by Flashback on Feb 23, 2018 17:31:26 GMT 1, Either they both win or they both lose. If they have been duplicitous then he could ask for more than 50% as he could technically kill all those sales. not sure he loses necessarily he can release a new print, or a print of an old work and sell out instantly, in fact I'd argue he possibly loses if he agrees after this farce
Sure the buyers would much rather he backed the sales and they actually did get a great deal on an Invader print than sending them back for a refund, plus the artist gets paid.
He obviously has a timeline for future releases and this wouldn't affect it.
Either they both win or they both lose. If they have been duplicitous then he could ask for more than 50% as he could technically kill all those sales. not sure he loses necessarily he can release a new print, or a print of an old work and sell out instantly, in fact I'd argue he possibly loses if he agrees after this farce I meant he loses a potential £156,250 payout for doing nothing more than validating the unsigned sales. Sure the buyers would much rather he backed the sales and they actually did get a great deal on an Invader print than sending them back for a refund, plus the artist gets paid. He obviously has a timeline for future releases and this wouldn't affect it. |
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by happyshopper on Feb 23, 2018 17:38:17 GMT 1, I would suspect that if Invader wasn't aware of the unsigned run then they're currently trying to cut a deal with him in order to validate the sales. A slice of a pie is better than no pie at all...
The original story was that most of the unsigned run were given away free at a launch event or with a magazine or something.
So his cut of nothing would be fairly small 
I would suspect that if Invader wasn't aware of the unsigned run then they're currently trying to cut a deal with him in order to validate the sales. A slice of a pie is better than no pie at all... The original story was that most of the unsigned run were given away free at a launch event or with a magazine or something. So his cut of nothing would be fairly small |
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by Flashback on Feb 23, 2018 17:49:34 GMT 1, I would suspect that if Invader wasn't aware of the unsigned run then they're currently trying to cut a deal with him in order to validate the sales. A slice of a pie is better than no pie at all... The original story was that most of the unsigned run were given away free at a launch event or with a magazine or something. So his cut of nothing would be fairly small
Sure it's causing sleepless nights for all concerned! 
I would suspect that if Invader wasn't aware of the unsigned run then they're currently trying to cut a deal with him in order to validate the sales. A slice of a pie is better than no pie at all... The original story was that most of the unsigned run were given away free at a launch event or with a magazine or something. So his cut of nothing would be fairly small Fair enough but that only works if the agreement was that they were all to be given away for free. He should get a cut of the remainder if they're selling them at 1250 a pop. Sure it's causing sleepless nights for all concerned! |
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 17:51:29 GMT 1, Due to the ambiguous nature of this print release/Sale, CAT shall be offering a full refund of the purchase price of the Invader print to all that purchased ..
Please email me for details of refund
Third party sales shall not be considered for refund I’m afraid .,
I will not be responding to PMs .. please email at info@contemporaryarttrader.com ..
Sincere apologies to all for the confusion
CAT
Due to the ambiguous nature of this print release/Sale, CAT shall be offering a full refund of the purchase price of the Invader print to all that purchased ..
Please email me for details of refund
Third party sales shall not be considered for refund I’m afraid .,
I will not be responding to PMs .. please email at info@contemporaryarttrader.com ..
Sincere apologies to all for the confusion
CAT
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Invader Prisoners unsigned £1250, by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 18:03:37 GMT 1, will dbnetherleigh also provide full refunds ?
will dbnetherleigh also provide full refunds ?
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