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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by sweetmimsy on Jun 22, 2017 21:39:58 GMT 1, Picked up a target and false start II to go with my flags II. Paper looks great!
Picked up a target and false start II to go with my flags II. Paper looks great!
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by HRE on Jun 22, 2017 21:57:56 GMT 1, Jill is really on the ball and got back to me very quickly on a couple of questions I had. Good to hear that these flat out from the tube as I was thinking of going flat packed for a small extra cost. Might just go tube now. Jill told me that all US orders were being dispatched first then UK, Ireland etc so will have to wait a bit longer. Can't wait to get these now as pics above look great. These are one of the buys of the year.
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Jill is really on the ball and got back to me very quickly on a couple of questions I had. Good to hear that these flat out from the tube as I was thinking of going flat packed for a small extra cost. Might just go tube now. Jill told me that all US orders were being dispatched first then UK, Ireland etc so will have to wait a bit longer. Can't wait to get these now as pics above look great. These are one of the buys of the year. Do you have Jill's email address I have emailed buy not heard a whisper as of yet. SaveSave |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by rosac on Jun 22, 2017 21:59:47 GMT 1, I'm surprised Mr Frameman hasnt offered a deal here..??
Was kind of aiming for that ;-)
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by rosac on Jun 22, 2017 22:00:45 GMT 1, Jill is really on the ball and got back to me very quickly on a couple of questions I had. Good to hear that these flat out from the tube as I was thinking of going flat packed for a small extra cost. Might just go tube now. Jill told me that all US orders were being dispatched first then UK, Ireland etc so will have to wait a bit longer. Can't wait to get these now as pics above look great. These are one of the buys of the year. Do you have Jill's email address I have emailed buy not heard a whisper as of yet. SaveSave
They are overwhelmed with all the orders. Best to call
Jill is really on the ball and got back to me very quickly on a couple of questions I had. Good to hear that these flat out from the tube as I was thinking of going flat packed for a small extra cost. Might just go tube now. Jill told me that all US orders were being dispatched first then UK, Ireland etc so will have to wait a bit longer. Can't wait to get these now as pics above look great. These are one of the buys of the year. Do you have Jill's email address I have emailed buy not heard a whisper as of yet. SaveSaveThey are overwhelmed with all the orders. Best to call |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by chads007 on Jun 22, 2017 22:02:42 GMT 1, If anyone has a false start 1 spare, pm me please
If anyone has a false start 1 spare, pm me please
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by Spenie on Jun 22, 2017 22:10:34 GMT 1, Nice to see talk about something other than Invader on here 
Nice to see talk about something other than Invader on here |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by Coach on Jun 22, 2017 22:45:18 GMT 1, Good quality reproductions...no question they are anything else...different size from the original print and the clue is in the word facsimile. Not expensive and will look very nice I am sure, but reproductions not original prints.
I don't think anyone buying these is unaware of what they are.
What makes these special is thier age, the reason they were made, who made them, the standing of the artist, and their provenance. The quality appears to be very good. And they are very affordable. They are clearly marked as reproductions. And this is reflected in the price. No illusions.
Good quality reproductions...no question they are anything else...different size from the original print and the clue is in the word facsimile. Not expensive and will look very nice I am sure, but reproductions not original prints. I don't think anyone buying these is unaware of what they are. What makes these special is thier age, the reason they were made, who made them, the standing of the artist, and their provenance. The quality appears to be very good. And they are very affordable. They are clearly marked as reproductions. And this is reflected in the price. No illusions. |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by whiteside on Jun 22, 2017 22:50:35 GMT 1, Fair enough...just pointing out that the artists involvement does not stop them being reproductions. But I totally agree, i am sure they are very nice and for little ££s
For example, an original 'Target' print sold five years ago for $98,000 (www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/jasper-johns-b-1930-target-ulae-5315568-details.aspx).
Today I can get the same print, printed at the same location by the same people on the exact same paper stock, with the exact same colours, exact same dimensions and exact same printing, a limited edition of 300 or less for $150. Is the signature and the intervening 15 years (1975 instead of 1960) worth $97,850?
Fair enough...just pointing out that the artists involvement does not stop them being reproductions. But I totally agree, i am sure they are very nice and for little ££s You're not wrong but no reason to be down on these. For example, an original 'Target' print sold five years ago for $98,000 ( www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/jasper-johns-b-1930-target-ulae-5315568-details.aspx). Today I can get the same print, printed at the same location by the same people on the exact same paper stock, with the exact same colours, exact same dimensions and exact same printing, a limited edition of 300 or less for $150. Is the signature and the intervening 15 years (1975 instead of 1960) worth $97,850? |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by J0NNY on Jun 22, 2017 22:51:21 GMT 1, Good quality reproductions...no question they are anything else...different size from the original print and the clue is in the word facsimile. Not expensive and will look very nice I am sure, but reproductions not original prints.
Think that it's made very clear that they are not original prints.
Good quality reproductions...no question they are anything else...different size from the original print and the clue is in the word facsimile. Not expensive and will look very nice I am sure, but reproductions not original prints. Think that it's made very clear that they are not original prints. |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by mla on Jun 22, 2017 22:56:10 GMT 1, Very much looking forward to the creative eBay listings.
Very much looking forward to the creative eBay listings.
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by Pattycakes on Jun 22, 2017 23:00:46 GMT 1, They are reproductions people, they are totally different to the original edition. These are offset lithographs, same colours sure, but not printed from the same matrix that John's worked on. Sure they are cheap, enjoy them, but do not expect them to be anything more than attractive well produced posters.
They are reproductions people, they are totally different to the original edition. These are offset lithographs, same colours sure, but not printed from the same matrix that John's worked on. Sure they are cheap, enjoy them, but do not expect them to be anything more than attractive well produced posters.
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by Inknart on Jun 22, 2017 23:16:54 GMT 1, They are reproductions people, they are totally different to the original edition. These are offset lithographs, same colours sure, but not printed from the same matrix that John's worked on. Sure they are cheap, enjoy them, but do not expect them to be anything more than attractive well produced posters.
They are reproductions people, they are totally different to the original edition. These are offset lithographs, same colours sure, but not printed from the same matrix that John's worked on. Sure they are cheap, enjoy them, but do not expect them to be anything more than attractive well produced posters. I think the whole point was that they were worked on in the same matrix, from the same machines, technique and company as the original prints? Much more than reproduced posters from what everyone has been saying, also limited to the amount of each. |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by Poesia on Jun 22, 2017 23:26:38 GMT 1, They are reproductions people, they are totally different to the original edition. These are offset lithographs, same colours sure, but not printed from the same matrix that John's worked on. Sure they are cheap, enjoy them, but do not expect them to be anything more than attractive well produced posters. I think the whole point was that they were worked on in the same matrix, from the same machines, technique and company as the original prints? Much more than reproduced posters from what everyone has been saying, also limited to the amount of each.
I think people are not speaking up to be negative just to warn those uninformed maybe who got in late anddidn't read all 7 pages and think these are something they are not.
They are reproductions people, they are totally different to the original edition. These are offset lithographs, same colours sure, but not printed from the same matrix that John's worked on. Sure they are cheap, enjoy them, but do not expect them to be anything more than attractive well produced posters. I think the whole point was that they were worked on in the same matrix, from the same machines, technique and company as the original prints? Much more than reproduced posters from what everyone has been saying, also limited to the amount of each. All reproductions are limited in the amount printed, this run you can guess what that # is but it doesn't say. A reproduction is a reproduction, I wouldn't call it a poster but its definitely not a print or considered a work of art by definition. Its a copy of a work of art much the same way a color plate might be. This print though is very unique in that its a reproduction from the same printer who made the real print, which is not uncommon. Picasso's estate issued reproduction lithographs after his death from his master printer he originally worked with. If you are Fan of Jasper this is ideal, if your thinking this is a work of art it is not. Value is determined outside of that argument. I think they sat for sale as reproductions for a reason as they are quite expensive to have a copy of a work of art. If Jasper was my favorite artist of all time I would definitely be up for these, but for me he is just a great historical artist one of hundreds for me personally. I think people are not speaking up to be negative just to warn those uninformed maybe who got in late anddidn't read all 7 pages and think these are something they are not. |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by Inknart on Jun 22, 2017 23:35:08 GMT 1, I think the whole point was that they were worked on in the same matrix, from the same machines, technique and company as the original prints? Much more than reproduced posters from what everyone has been saying, also limited to the amount of each. All reproductions are limited in the amount printed, this run you can guess what that # is but it doesn't say. A reproduction is a reproduction, I wouldn't call it a poster but its definitely not a print or considered a work of art by definition. Its a copy of a work of art much the same way a color plate might be. This print though is very unique in that its a reproduction from the same printer who made the real print, which is not uncommon. Picasso's estate issued reproduction lithographs after his death from his master printer he originally worked with. If you are Fan of Jasper this is ideal, if your thinking this is a work of art it is not. Value is determined outside of that argument. I think they sat for sale as reproductions for a reason as they are quite expensive to have a copy of a work of art. If Jasper was my favorite artist of all time I would definitely be up for these, but for me he is just a great historical artist one of hundreds for me personally. I think people are not speaking up to be negative just to warn those uninformed maybe who got in late anddidn't read all 7 pages and think these are something they are not.
I think the whole point was that they were worked on in the same matrix, from the same machines, technique and company as the original prints? Much more than reproduced posters from what everyone has been saying, also limited to the amount of each. All reproductions are limited in the amount printed, this run you can guess what that # is but it doesn't say. A reproduction is a reproduction, I wouldn't call it a poster but its definitely not a print or considered a work of art by definition. Its a copy of a work of art much the same way a color plate might be. This print though is very unique in that its a reproduction from the same printer who made the real print, which is not uncommon. Picasso's estate issued reproduction lithographs after his death from his master printer he originally worked with. If you are Fan of Jasper this is ideal, if your thinking this is a work of art it is not. Value is determined outside of that argument. I think they sat for sale as reproductions for a reason as they are quite expensive to have a copy of a work of art. If Jasper was my favorite artist of all time I would definitely be up for these, but for me he is just a great historical artist one of hundreds for me personally. I think people are not speaking up to be negative just to warn those uninformed maybe who got in late anddidn't read all 7 pages and think these are something they are not. I can't help, but always think of the Basquiat print released by Pace for 50K last year by his estate, from a printer who had no affiliation with the original work. |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by whiteside on Jun 22, 2017 23:38:16 GMT 1, I think they sat for sale as reproductions for a reason as they are quite expensive to have a copy of a work of art.
I suspect that the reason they didn't sell quickly and sat for sale was not because of the cost but rather that they hadn't got details out to the right market. As soon as the details reached a forum of pretty clued-up people they have (at least in the case of several prints) sold out in days. I don't believe the members of this forum are, on the whole, uninformed but there remains a lot of positivity around these prints.
I think they sat for sale as reproductions for a reason as they are quite expensive to have a copy of a work of art. I suspect that the reason they didn't sell quickly and sat for sale was not because of the cost but rather that they hadn't got details out to the right market. As soon as the details reached a forum of pretty clued-up people they have (at least in the case of several prints) sold out in days. I don't believe the members of this forum are, on the whole, uninformed but there remains a lot of positivity around these prints. |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by Pattycakes on Jun 22, 2017 23:39:07 GMT 1, no these were produced on an offset lithographic press. The originals were printed from the stone. They are designed to look the same, but they are distinctly different.
And I referred to them as posters because generally offset lithography is used for large scale poster printing. The image is transferred (in most cases) from a rubber roller onto the paper, rather than from the stone, thus the image is not worn down and you can print literally thousands of impressions.
no these were produced on an offset lithographic press. The originals were printed from the stone. They are designed to look the same, but they are distinctly different.
And I referred to them as posters because generally offset lithography is used for large scale poster printing. The image is transferred (in most cases) from a rubber roller onto the paper, rather than from the stone, thus the image is not worn down and you can print literally thousands of impressions.
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by mla on Jun 22, 2017 23:41:33 GMT 1, no these were produced on an offset lithographic press. The originals were printed from the stone. They are designed to look the same, but they are distinctly different.
Indeed...BUT TEHY ARE ON DEER SAME PAPER!!!
Yeah, that super rare BFK Rives...lol
Y'all are a bunch of clowns. These are nothing more than expensive posters.
no these were produced on an offset lithographic press. The originals were printed from the stone. They are designed to look the same, but they are distinctly different. Indeed...BUT TEHY ARE ON DEER SAME PAPER!!! Yeah, that super rare BFK Rives...lol Y'all are a bunch of clowns. These are nothing more than expensive posters. |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by whiteside on Jun 22, 2017 23:45:25 GMT 1, no these were produced on an offset lithographic press. The originals were printed from the stone. They are designed to look the same, but they are distinctly different. And I referred to them as posters because generally offset lithography issued for large scale poster printing. The image is transferred (in most cases) from a rubber roller onto the paper, rather than from the stone, thus the image is not work down and you can print literally thousands of impressions.
I'm inexperienced in these matters but can you explain - how are they distinctly different? In what way does the image differ on the page? (given that it is the same paper stock).
I suspect, given the timings (1975) and the fact that it us ULAE, that it wasn't a rubber roller.
no these were produced on an offset lithographic press. The originals were printed from the stone. They are designed to look the same, but they are distinctly different. And I referred to them as posters because generally offset lithography issued for large scale poster printing. The image is transferred (in most cases) from a rubber roller onto the paper, rather than from the stone, thus the image is not work down and you can print literally thousands of impressions. I'm inexperienced in these matters but can you explain - how are they distinctly different? In what way does the image differ on the page? (given that it is the same paper stock). I suspect, given the timings (1975) and the fact that it us ULAE, that it wasn't a rubber roller. |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by Coach on Jun 22, 2017 23:50:03 GMT 1, no these were produced on an offset lithographic press. The originals were printed from the stone. They are designed to look the same, but they are distinctly different. Indeed...BUT TEHY ARE ON DEER SAME PAPER!!! Yeah, that super rare BFK Rives...lol Y'all are a bunch of clowns. These are nothing more than expensive posters.
I don't much appreciate being called a clown, thanks. Seems a little unnecessary.
no these were produced on an offset lithographic press. The originals were printed from the stone. They are designed to look the same, but they are distinctly different. Indeed...BUT TEHY ARE ON DEER SAME PAPER!!! Yeah, that super rare BFK Rives...lol Y'all are a bunch of clowns. These are nothing more than expensive posters. I don't much appreciate being called a clown, thanks. Seems a little unnecessary. |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by mla on Jun 22, 2017 23:50:22 GMT 1, From the listings "A hand fed offset press was purchased in 1971 to proof and print the project"
Offset lithography originated several decades before 1971, so I don't think there is any question here.
From the listings "A hand fed offset press was purchased in 1971 to proof and print the project"
Offset lithography originated several decades before 1971, so I don't think there is any question here.
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by mla on Jun 22, 2017 23:51:17 GMT 1, Indeed...BUT TEHY ARE ON DEER SAME PAPER!!! Yeah, that super rare BFK Rives...lol Y'all are a bunch of clowns. These are nothing more than expensive posters. I don't much appreciate being called a clown, thanks. Seems a little unnecessary.
Indeed...BUT TEHY ARE ON DEER SAME PAPER!!! Yeah, that super rare BFK Rives...lol Y'all are a bunch of clowns. These are nothing more than expensive posters. I don't much appreciate being called a clown, thanks. Seems a little unnecessary. If the clown shoes fit... |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by Coach on Jun 22, 2017 23:51:55 GMT 1, They are reproductions people, they are totally different to the original edition. These are offset lithographs, same colours sure, but not printed from the same matrix that John's worked on. Sure they are cheap, enjoy them, but do not expect them to be anything more than attractive well produced posters.
See my post above, in reply to Atom. I'm fairly certain everyone knows they are reproductions. It says so on the back.
They are reproductions people, they are totally different to the original edition. These are offset lithographs, same colours sure, but not printed from the same matrix that John's worked on. Sure they are cheap, enjoy them, but do not expect them to be anything more than attractive well produced posters. See my post above, in reply to Atom. I'm fairly certain everyone knows they are reproductions. It says so on the back. |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by Coach on Jun 22, 2017 23:52:47 GMT 1, I don't much appreciate being called a clown, thanks. Seems a little unnecessary. If the clown shoes fit...
How rude
I don't much appreciate being called a clown, thanks. Seems a little unnecessary. If the clown shoes fit... How rude |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by mla on Jun 22, 2017 23:53:46 GMT 1, They are reproductions people, they are totally different to the original edition. These are offset lithographs, same colours sure, but not printed from the same matrix that John's worked on. Sure they are cheap, enjoy them, but do not expect them to be anything more than attractive well produced posters. See my post above, in reply to Atom. I'm fairly certain everyone knows they are reproductions. It says so on the back.
They are reproductions people, they are totally different to the original edition. These are offset lithographs, same colours sure, but not printed from the same matrix that John's worked on. Sure they are cheap, enjoy them, but do not expect them to be anything more than attractive well produced posters. See my post above, in reply to Atom. I'm fairly certain everyone knows they are reproductions. It says so on the back. If you think the love of the art is what's motivating people here, you are incredibly naive. |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 23:55:53 GMT 1, See my post above, in reply to Atom. I'm fairly certain everyone knows they are reproductions. It says so on the back. If you think the love of the art is what's motivating people here, you are incredibly naive.
It still motivates some and that's good enough for me.
See my post above, in reply to Atom. I'm fairly certain everyone knows they are reproductions. It says so on the back. If you think the love of the art is what's motivating people here, you are incredibly naive. It still motivates some and that's good enough for me. |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by A.R.T. on Jun 22, 2017 23:55:55 GMT 1, WCP versions of Jasper Johns?
WCP versions of Jasper Johns?
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by d.r. perseus on Jun 22, 2017 23:57:12 GMT 1, Indeed...BUT TEHY ARE ON DEER SAME PAPER!!! Yeah, that super rare BFK Rives...lol Y'all are a bunch of clowns. These are nothing more than expensive posters. Who gives a f**kabout enjoying art if you can't profit from it...am I right?
This thread seemed to accelerate with the posting of the "nice" frame up that happened to sell for 1k plus at auction. Oh wait a 150$ print that sells for how much!?! JJ is a great artist but these fail to capture, for me, any of the magic I can go see from originals in Los Angeles museums. 0-9 or numbers is close though. However I don't believe these were snapped up by Johns fans. Hell even OP asked about his history when so many of JJ originals are down the street from him and accessible. Pure speculation by the majority is my bet.
Indeed...BUT TEHY ARE ON DEER SAME PAPER!!! Yeah, that super rare BFK Rives...lol Y'all are a bunch of clowns. These are nothing more than expensive posters. Who gives a f**kabout enjoying art if you can't profit from it...am I right? This thread seemed to accelerate with the posting of the "nice" frame up that happened to sell for 1k plus at auction. Oh wait a 150$ print that sells for how much!?! JJ is a great artist but these fail to capture, for me, any of the magic I can go see from originals in Los Angeles museums. 0-9 or numbers is close though. However I don't believe these were snapped up by Johns fans. Hell even OP asked about his history when so many of JJ originals are down the street from him and accessible. Pure speculation by the majority is my bet. |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by gmidd on Jun 22, 2017 23:59:06 GMT 1, no these were produced on an offset lithographic press. The originals were printed from the stone. They are designed to look the same, but they are distinctly different. And I referred to them as posters because generally offset lithography issued for large scale poster printing. The image is transferred (in most cases) from a rubber roller onto the paper, rather than from the stone, thus the image is not work down and you can print literally thousands of impressions. I'm inexperienced in these matters but can you explain - how are they distinctly different? In what way does the image differ on the page? (given that it is the same paper stock). I suspect, given the timings (1975) and the fact that it us ULAE, that it wasn't a rubber roller.
Also...this is directly from the site "Other than their size, the paper, color and printing sequence match the original edition" so, other than the size they're pretty damn close. Also, these were not printed on a modern offset printer that's typically used for cheap posters. Definitely not expecting them to be worth a ton, but to say they're "not prints" is kind of ridiculous.
no these were produced on an offset lithographic press. The originals were printed from the stone. They are designed to look the same, but they are distinctly different. And I referred to them as posters because generally offset lithography issued for large scale poster printing. The image is transferred (in most cases) from a rubber roller onto the paper, rather than from the stone, thus the image is not work down and you can print literally thousands of impressions. I'm inexperienced in these matters but can you explain - how are they distinctly different? In what way does the image differ on the page? (given that it is the same paper stock). I suspect, given the timings (1975) and the fact that it us ULAE, that it wasn't a rubber roller. Also...this is directly from the site "Other than their size, the paper, color and printing sequence match the original edition" so, other than the size they're pretty damn close. Also, these were not printed on a modern offset printer that's typically used for cheap posters. Definitely not expecting them to be worth a ton, but to say they're "not prints" is kind of ridiculous. |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by Rouen Cathedral on Jun 23, 2017 0:02:30 GMT 1, no these were produced on an offset lithographic press. The originals were printed from the stone. They are designed to look the same, but they are distinctly different. Indeed...BUT TEHY ARE ON DEER SAME PAPER!!! Yeah, that super rare BFK Rives...lol Y'all are a bunch of clowns. These are nothing more than expensive posters.
May I ask what type of 'art' you have on the wall?
no these were produced on an offset lithographic press. The originals were printed from the stone. They are designed to look the same, but they are distinctly different. Indeed...BUT TEHY ARE ON DEER SAME PAPER!!! Yeah, that super rare BFK Rives...lol Y'all are a bunch of clowns. These are nothing more than expensive posters. May I ask what type of 'art' you have on the wall? |
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Jasper Johns 🇺🇸 Painter • Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism , by mla on Jun 23, 2017 0:03:49 GMT 1, May I ask what type of 'art' you have on the wall?
Shouldn't you be off somewhere whining about Banksy?
May I ask what type of 'art' you have on the wall? Shouldn't you be off somewhere whining about Banksy? |
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