[Devizes /\_/\]

Apr 25, 2024 17:18:51 GMT 1 rarery said:

Apr 25, 2024 17:11:14 GMT 1 Devizes /\_/\ said:

If you could see past the delusion you’ll see it as marked sold, has been for a while thank you.
Unlike yourself, I was realistic and fair with pricing, you’re still living in cuckoo land of the high pandemic prices.
Take it down for sale if that’s the price you’re after, you won’t get it here.
So many people like you, who bought at the height are still, even after the last couple of years of prices continually dropping blinkered when it comes to current values.

My initial reply to you hinted that you were out, your subsequent defensive replies have turned my responses into what you see as berating as quite frankly, you seem to be a bit of a t**t, the reality is sinking in that you’ve lost circa £40k on a print, despite the initial good intentions of buying it, don’t take it out on people trying to highlight that.

That being said, GLWS but it won’t be here.

Wait wait...so you put up a piece for sale asking price to cover what you paid and you're saying I'm the one defending myself? Hypocritical much? Sounds like jealousy...didn't make enough to cover your trip to Dubai? Poor dab

Jealousy? Get over yourself 🤣🤣🤣
Theres a massive difference you clown, I got what I paid because I paid a fair price in the first place, you will NOT get £85k for it because you paid top price at the time, things have changed so much since.
Stick Dubai up your arse for all I care about the fucking place.

[keyser]

Serious question. Do you understand the concept about market value? It sounds like Devizes was lucky enough to be able to recoup his initial costs as the current market is similar to his initial outlay. Unfortunately there is about a £60,000 difference between what you paid and the prints likely current value. If you're hellbent on receiving anything approaching your required sale price then your best bet may be to keep hold of it and hope that the market has a huge spike in the future. Best.

[rarery]

Apr 25, 2024 17:22:41 GMT 1 Devizes /\_/\ said:

Apr 25, 2024 17:18:51 GMT 1 rarery said:

Wait wait...so you put up a piece for sale asking price to cover what you paid and you're saying I'm the one defending myself? Hypocritical much? Sounds like jealousy...didn't make enough to cover your trip to Dubai? Poor dab

Jealousy? Get over yourself 🤣🤣🤣
Theres a massive difference you clown, I got what I paid because I paid a fair price in the first place, you will NOT get £85k for it because you paid top price at the time, things have changed so much since.
Stick Dubai up your arse for all I care about the fucking place.

So jealous...maybe take a holiday somewhere with some sun to chill out 

[Fuzzyduck121]

Let’s be reasonable and accept that the OP has zero idea of current values and that at the time of his post he just thought , wrongly, that works of art can be easily sold for the price paid for them

The reality is not the case and most seasoned collectors are aware that the vast majority of art is sold at a loss and that profits in this market are historically not the norm

The OP will now be aware that 99% of art and artists are not a booming fast traded market like stocks shares or crypto

He is now aware this work is valued at 25-30k being that all banksy prints have reduced in price from 2020/21 by at least half and some even more

He is now aware of the fair market value and will either adjust his price and look like a reasonable and seasoned collector or he will not do so and will look like a total know it all fool who will most likely be called out by every decent member on the forum

I will get my popcorn out and relax now for the evening

[cemltz]

Apr 24, 2024 17:42:19 GMT 1 rarery said:

OP: completely unrelated to whatever the price of this piece may be (agreeing that pissing over that on a forum is wasted breath, and the market is what the market is) but completely related to your response to others' responses...

You have a very identifiable piece of art. Anyone spending that much on a piece will most certainly Google "banksy i fought the law mass attack"...which will bring them...right here. Yes. Here. Where you are looking. At which point, all potential buyers will see this complete conversation, including your side and somewhat "unique" views on valuation drivers and "colorful" perspectives. Which you may or way not want.

(Your screen name will be of no assistance as, again, you are selling an identifiable 1/1 piece.)

View this as friendly advise from someone who trades in similar wares. People buy art from people they like and trust. Take it or leave it, that choice is yours. Just putting it out there...

As you were.

[JFCC]

My goodness why is this all so toxic?

The seller has set a price, some will think it too high but maybe a buyer will think it fair value, who knows but why all the name calling and angst? If you're not bidding just leave him alone it's not your deal!

Personally I think it's a great piece, interesting back story, which to me wouldn't add any material value, but sold in a good gallery it'll get over fully paid in auction but probably will struggle to see £85k today in my view!! Maybe we will see those prices again when the general world economy changes but who knows!

GLWS and to everyone with no interest in this, please let's not just pile on this person, you don't know him, I don't know him, he's just selling a great piece of art!!

[rarery]

Apr 25, 2024 18:11:44 GMT 1 Fuzzyduck121 said:

Let’s be reasonable and accept that the OP has zero idea of current values and that at the time of his post he just thought , wrongly, that works of art can be easily sold for the price paid for them

The reality is not the case and most seasoned collectors are aware that the vast majority of art is sold at a loss and that profits in this market are historically not the norm

The OP will now be aware that 99% of art and artists are not a booming fast traded market like stocks shares or crypto

He is now aware this work is valued at 25-30k being that all banksy prints have reduced in price from 2020/21 by at least half and some even more

He is now aware of the fair market value and will either adjust his price and look like a reasonable and seasoned collector or he will not do so and will look like a total know it all fool who will most likely be called out by every decent member on the forum

I will get my popcorn out and relax now for the evening

If you read the thread you'd see that I am the one who shared the auctions results from 2024, 2023 and so on for the piece.

[Londown 01]

In general it's ok to set an asking price.*

About criticising the asking price:
- Nothing wrong with this, as this is a forum and not a marketplace.
- Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that the anger stems from the fact this is a forum, a community. And a new member coming on here asking for too much looks like someone who is using the forum only as a marketplace. So in a way criticising the asking price can be seen as protecting the integrity of the forum and the forum members.


*which price is the correct price will eventually be decided by the market

[rarery]

Apr 25, 2024 18:30:23 GMT 1 cemltz said:

Apr 24, 2024 17:42:19 GMT 1 rarery said:

OP: completely unrelated to whatever the price of this piece may be (agreeing that pissing over that on a forum is wasted breath, and the market is what the market is) but completely related to your response to others' responses...

You have a very identifiable piece of art. Anyone spending that much on a piece will most certainly Google "banksy i fought the law mass attack"...which will bring them...right here. Yes. Here. Where you are looking. At which point, all potential buyers will see this complete conversation, including your side and somewhat "unique" views on valuation drivers and "colorful" perspectives. Which you may or way not want.

(Your screen name will be of no assistance as, again, you are selling an identifiable 1/1 piece.)

View this as friendly advise from someone who trades in similar wares. People buy art from people they like and trust. Take it or leave it, that choice is yours. Just putting it out there...

As you were.

Good job that's not something I have to care or worry about.

As you were.

[Majestic]

Well that escalated quickly.

[artlike]

Apr 25, 2024 19:38:05 GMT 1 Londown 01 said:

In general it's ok to set an asking price.*

About criticising the asking price:
- Nothing wrong with this, as this is a forum and not a marketplace.
- Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that the anger stems from the fact this is a forum, a community. And a new member coming on here asking for too much looks like someone who is using the forum only as a marketplace. So in a way criticising the asking price can be seen as protecting the integrity of the forum and the forum members.


*which price is the correct price will eventually be decided by the market

Integrity of the forum lolllllllzzzzz

What a prat. 

[Londown 01]

Apr 25, 2024 20:16:20 GMT 1 artlike said:

Apr 25, 2024 19:38:05 GMT 1 Londown 01 said:

Integrity of the forum lolllllllzzzzz

What a prat. 

Sounds like you should go somewhere else.

[LJCal]

Apr 25, 2024 15:56:51 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Apr 25, 2024 14:15:59 GMT 1 rarery said:

Wcp?

Banksy has been selling the same tired designs , using the same inks and paper under the name Westcountry Prince for close to 15 years now 

Have you ever owned a legit Banksy print? If you have you’d know the above statement is nonsense. Some look pretty close but others obviously are different inks, paper and screens, my 8 year old daughter could tell the difference. 

[LJCal]

Apr 25, 2024 17:25:56 GMT 1 keyser said:

Serious question. Do you understand the concept about market value? It sounds like Devizes was lucky enough to be able to recoup his initial costs as the current market is similar to his initial outlay. Unfortunately there is about a £60,000 difference between what you paid and the prints likely current value. If you're hellbent on receiving anything approaching your required sale price then your best bet may be to keep hold of it and hope that the market has a huge spike in the future. Best.

I highly doubt this will ever be worth £85k again, not in real terms anyway. Maybe in 40 years where £1 buys you 40. 

[LJCal]

At the end of the day giving someone a reality check is doing them a favour. I find the less time I spend in denial over anything the better. You can’t make sound decisions if you’re delusional. In terms of impacting someone’s ability to sell, if it’s priced correctly a buyer will materialise regardless, I’ve bought pieces on here that most people said were over priced. I’ve also be slated for asking too much, which whilst at the time may not have been what I wanted to hear, but probably down the line helped me shift something a little quicker. It’s also worth pointing out that 9 times out of 10 this is not best place to sell, especially if you want top dollar.

[Minecrafter]

Apr 26, 2024 2:09:55 GMT 1 LJCal said:

Apr 25, 2024 15:56:51 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Banksy has been selling the same tired designs , using the same inks and paper under the name Westcountry Prince for close to 15 years now 

Have you ever owned a legit Banksy print? If you have you’d know the above statement is nonsense. Some look pretty close but others obviously are different inks, paper and screens, my 8 year old daughter could tell the difference. 

If Banksy sued a small card company, he sure as hell wouldn't let WCP operate for all these years. It's almost 5 months now since my husband outed it and no proof to show it's not Banksy has came out , in fact it's only added weight to the fact. Eventually it will all come out , lance. 

[Hubble Bubble]

Like many threads here now I've been watching whilst consuming popcorn. Again, things seem to have degenerated which is a shame. I'd say only that whilst anyone is entitled to ask a price that they would like to achieve for something they are looking to sell, surely one of the purposes of a forum is to educate and empower its members in the subject we are all so interested in. That applies to purchasing as well as selling and valuable information is gained from threads like this for potential purchasers whether they intend to buy here or elsewhere. I feel this information has been accurately provided by many here in a manner which has for the most part been polite and convivial prior to angry retorts.

Good luck with the sale to the OP.

Love
HB

[Reader]

Apr 26, 2024 7:10:11 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Apr 26, 2024 2:09:55 GMT 1 LJCal said:

Have you ever owned a legit Banksy print? If you have you’d know the above statement is nonsense. Some look pretty close but others obviously are different inks, paper and screens, my 8 year old daughter could tell the difference. 

If Banksy sued a small card company, he sure as hell wouldn't let WCP operate for all these years. It's almost 5 months now since my husband outed it and no proof to show it's not Banksy has came out , in fact it's only added weight to the fact. Eventually it will all come out , lance. 

What took you guys 14 years and 7 months to work out what was rumoured in the first month and then dismissed by everyone as a skam? Someone knocking out copies from their shed with a clearly stamped disclaimer is hardly the same as a corporate attempt to profit from securing the rights to trade internationally off the artists intellectual property.

[Minecrafter]

Apr 26, 2024 8:03:37 GMT 1 Reader said:

Apr 26, 2024 7:10:11 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

If Banksy sued a small card company, he sure as hell wouldn't let WCP operate for all these years. It's almost 5 months now since my husband outed it and no proof to show it's not Banksy has came out , in fact it's only added weight to the fact. Eventually it will all come out , lance. 

What took you guys 14 years and 7 months to work out what was rumoured in the first month and then dismissed by everyone as a skam? Someone knocking out copies from their shed with a clearly stamped disclaimer is hardly the same as a corporate attempt to profit from securing the rights to trade internationally off the artists intellectual property.

Hardly a small operation is it reader, time and common sense plus the accounts that have promoted it and forwarded pdfs are usually the ones branding everyone as copycats and consistently defending banksy…….yet these accounts give wcp their complete blessing. Banksy is a fraud a hack and a parasite and defending him won’t get him to give you your c.o.a.s Martyn

[Reader]

Again PZY/Steff/Columbo, "What took you 14 years and 7 months to work out what was rumoured in the first month and then dismissed by everyone as a sham ?

[LJCal]

Apr 26, 2024 7:10:11 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Apr 26, 2024 2:09:55 GMT 1 LJCal said:

Have you ever owned a legit Banksy print? If you have you’d know the above statement is nonsense. Some look pretty close but others obviously are different inks, paper and screens, my 8 year old daughter could tell the difference. 

If Banksy sued a small card company, he sure as hell wouldn't let WCP operate for all these years. It's almost 5 months now since my husband outed it and no proof to show it's not Banksy has came out , in fact it's only added weight to the fact. Eventually it will all come out , lance. 

It's not up to anyone to prove it, if you're making an accusation then provide evidence. Your husband's paranoid conspiracies don't count. And even if there is a link between WCP (which I doubt) who cares?

[Terry Fuckwitt]

Apr 26, 2024 7:10:11 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Apr 26, 2024 2:09:55 GMT 1 LJCal said:

Have you ever owned a legit Banksy print? If you have you’d know the above statement is nonsense. Some look pretty close but others obviously are different inks, paper and screens, my 8 year old daughter could tell the difference. 

If Banksy sued a small card company, he sure as hell wouldn't let WCP operate for all these years. It's almost 5 months now since my husband outed it and no proof to show it's not Banksy has came out , in fact it's only added weight to the fact. Eventually it will all come out , lance. 

A 'small card company'? You also both think WCP is Banksy? You two are a pair of clowns. A match made in heaven... 

[mojo]

Apr 25, 2024 15:56:51 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Apr 25, 2024 14:15:59 GMT 1 rarery said:

Wcp?

Banksy has been selling the same tired designs , using the same inks and paper under the name Westcountry Prince for close to 15 years now 

I just wanted to take this opportunity to express that I'm not a fan of memes.  It's not even funny. Pathetic. Time to use the block button...bye bye.

[Lunch Special]

FYI I don’t hate this forum at all. So don’t you go putting words in my post. Shame on you. I do hate the fact that you changed and caused the old Banksy forum to now be the west country prince fan club, but that’s on you all, so let’s be clear. I won’t be the one that has to explain to his kid who’s being made fun of at school that-that Print on the wall isn’t really it because there dads a simp. 

[Lunch Special]

Apr 26, 2024 2:09:55 GMT 1 LJCal said:

Apr 25, 2024 15:56:51 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Banksy has been selling the same tired designs , using the same inks and paper under the name Westcountry Prince for close to 15 years now 

Have you ever owned a legit Banksy print? If you have you’d know the above statement is nonsense. Some look pretty close but others obviously are different inks, paper and screens, my 8 year old daughter could tell the difference. 

Thank you. Your daughter should give art lessons to the blokes with there noses up wcp’s screenprinted arse. 

[Lunch Special]

Apr 26, 2024 13:51:20 GMT 1 mojo said:

Apr 25, 2024 15:56:51 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Banksy has been selling the same tired designs , using the same inks and paper under the name Westcountry Prince for close to 15 years now 

I just wanted to take this opportunity to express that I'm not a fan of memes, most are the aesthetic equivalent of a moronic stranger behind a keyboard taking a stinking nasty shit into the brain of anyone with even a shred of creativity and imagination but this vacuous ugly offering really excels at lowering the tone on this forum to unprecedented new levels of dumb, lazy and idiotic skullduggery.  It's not even funny. Pathetic. Time to use the block button...bye bye.

So you on n art forum that’s discussing art and an artist and you chime in that you hate memes. And cats is asking if I’m ok? Somebody delete his account.  

[mojo]

Apr 26, 2024 14:17:41 GMT 1 Lunch Special said:

Apr 26, 2024 13:51:20 GMT 1 mojo said:

I just wanted to take this opportunity to express that I'm not a fan of memes, most are the aesthetic equivalent of a moronic stranger behind a keyboard taking a stinking nasty shit into the brain of anyone with even a shred of creativity and imagination but this vacuous ugly offering really excels at lowering the tone on this forum to unprecedented new levels of dumb, lazy and idiotic skullduggery.  It's not even funny. Pathetic. Time to use the block button...bye bye.

So you on n art forum that’s discussing art and an artist and you chime in that you hate memes. And cats is asking if I’m ok? Somebody delete his account.  

I'm sorry you've lost me?  I really don't understand what you're saying.  Memes are not art particularly the one I'm responding to.  And you want my account deleted?  
I'm a her not a his by the way.  

[rarery]

Apr 26, 2024 14:39:15 GMT 1 mojo said:

Apr 26, 2024 14:17:41 GMT 1 Lunch Special said:

So you on n art forum that’s discussing art and an artist and you chime in that you hate memes. And cats is asking if I’m ok? Somebody delete his account.  

I'm sorry you've lost me?  I really don't understand what you're saying.  Memes are not art particularly the one I'm responding to.  And you want my account deleted?  
I'm a her not a his by the way.  

Well this has gone off on a tangent haha. Memes have made a lot of millionaires in crypto last few weeks. Just saying.

[artlike]

Ahhhh, the integrity of the forum

[Pistol]