[msobel3]

You international guys give this artist a lot of shit about shipping charges. The shipping charges within the US were extremely reasonable. He's a NYC based artist. And as a result, like most New Yorkers, probably a bit NY-centric. If you live here, it is clear to see that people think that NYC is the center of the universe.

randomname what did you want him to do? sit on instagram and go back and forth arguing with you? how would you respond if someone came into your place of work and started making accusations towards you or critiquing you? if you could simply block them, dont you think you might do it? Go accuse other artists of stealing ideas on instagram... i bet they will block you as well. And did you know that Daniel was in a group show at Perrotin back in 2004?

You guys complain terribly about shipping charges overseas, and i certainly agree that they are high, but realize that hes doing everyone a favor by even offering to ship internationally. He just as easily could have limited shipping to USA and that would have been that.

If you look through the for sale posts on this forum, you will see how many people refuse to ship overseas! And lets be honest, most of you guys knew that shipping charges were going to be prohibitively expensive. But it was only when the relic was sold out that people realized they wanted it. I didn't see many posts on this forum a week before release saying I am located overseas, would someone in the US be willing to purchase for me and then ship it to UK or Europe.

I find it hard to imagine that someone could find fault with this release compared to what else goes on, particularly on graffiti prints and the like. The release could not have been more smooth. It was simple to access, there was no smashing f5, there was no site crash, no robots to compete with. I mean come on, guys. Compared to most of the other releases that occur, this one was so much better, less stressful and easily successful for anyone who knew they wanted it and was on ebay at noon.

[shootagain]

Dec 15, 2016 17:38:52 GMT 1 msobel3 said:

You international guys give this artist a lot ofs**t about shipping charges. The shipping charges within the US were extremely reasonable. He's a NYC based artist. And as a result, like most New Yorkers, probably a bit NY-centric. If you live here, it is clear to see that people think that NYC is the center of the universe.

randomname what did you want him to do? sit on instagram and go back and forth arguing with you? how would you respond if someone came into your place of work and started making accusations towards you or critiquing you? if you could simply block them, dont you think you might do it? Go accuse other artists of stealing ideas on instagram... i bet they will block you as well. And did you know that Daniel was in a group show at Perrotin back in 2004?

You guys complain terribly about shipping charges overseas, and i certainly agree that they are high, but realize that hes doing everyone a favor by even offering to ship internationally. He just as easily could have limited shipping to USA and that would have been that.

If you look through the for sale posts on this forum, you will see how many people refuse to ship overseas! And lets be honest, most of you guys knew that shipping charges were going to be prohibitively expensive. But it was only when the relic was sold out that people realized they wanted it. I didn't see many posts on this forum a week before release saying I am located overseas, would someone in the US be willing to purchase for me and then ship it to UK or Europe.

I find it hard to imagine that someone could find fault with this release compared to what else goes on, particularly on graffiti prints and the like. The release could not have been more smooth. It was simple to access, there was no smashing f5, there was no site crash, no robots to compete with. I mean come on, guys. Compared to most of the other releases that occur, this one was so much better, less stressful and easily successful for anyone who knew they wanted it and was on ebay at noon.

I have to agree with pretty much everything you said here (including that New Yorkers are probably a bit NY-centric !). I knew the shipping fees would be massive and I was able to buy one very easily and even with some time to think about it twice... still much cheaper than a STIK print ! Bargain in my books ;-)

[randomname]

Dec 15, 2016 17:28:08 GMT 1 dundun said:

Dec 15, 2016 17:13:15 GMT 1 randomname said:

The next two sentences after "cünt" would seem to nullify your response. If you take someone else's idea and claim it for your own, you're not making great art. Doesn't matter how pretty you make it.

Completely disagree.  Art isn't just about ideas.  It's just as much about execution.  Does KAWS have great ideas?  Not really(and I'm the hugest fan), but his execution is flawless. Could say this for about pretty much every single artist if you want to nitpick. 

I'd argue that Daniel's take on these is much more succinct and relevant than the other metal ones.  IMO casting those in metal loses the desired affect and they're really not good(even the Stipe ones).  

You're welcome to disagree. There's nothing wrong with being wrong.

Part of what makes great art great is originality. Kaws, while not my cup of tea, did something original. I don't think you would look at his work and say another artist did the exact same thing first.

And in case you didn't notice, the Future Fossils by Bughouse were cast in concrete. Daniel copied the idea exactly, only leaving off the patina. 

Taking another artist's idea is not only unoriginal, it's dishonest and unethical. I find that collectors tend to mirror the ethics (or lack thereof) of the artists they collect more often than not. 

[Deleted]

Dec 15, 2016 17:38:52 GMT 1 msobel3 said:

You international guys give this artist a lot ofs**t about shipping charges. The shipping charges within the US were extremely reasonable. He's a NYC based artist. And as a result, like most New Yorkers, probably a bit NY-centric. If you live here, it is clear to see that people think that NYC is the center of the universe.

randomname what did you want him to do? sit on instagram and go back and forth arguing with you? how would you respond if someone came into your place of work and started making accusations towards you or critiquing you? if you could simply block them, dont you think you might do it? Go accuse other artists of stealing ideas on instagram... i bet they will block you as well. And did you know that Daniel was in a group show at Perrotin back in 2004?

You guys complain terribly about shipping charges overseas, and i certainly agree that they are high, but realize that hes doing everyone a favor by even offering to ship internationally. He just as easily could have limited shipping to USA and that would have been that.

If you look through the for sale posts on this forum, you will see how many people refuse to ship overseas! And lets be honest, most of you guys knew that shipping charges were going to be prohibitively expensive. But it was only when the relic was sold out that people realized they wanted it. I didn't see many posts on this forum a week before release saying I am located overseas, would someone in the US be willing to purchase for me and then ship it to UK or Europe.

I find it hard to imagine that someone could find fault with this release compared to what else goes on, particularly on graffiti prints and the like. The release could not have been more smooth. It was simple to access, there was no smashing f5, there was no site crash, no robots to compete with. I mean come on, guys. Compared to most of the other releases that occur, this one was so much better, less stressful and easily successful for anyone who knew they wanted it and was on ebay at noon.

Hi Daniel

[randomname]

Dec 15, 2016 17:38:52 GMT 1 msobel3 said:

randomname what did you want him to do? sit on instagram and go back and forth arguing with you? how would you respond if someone came into your place of work and started making accusations towards you or critiquing you? if you could simply block them, dont you think you might do it? Go accuse other artists of stealing ideas on instagram... i bet they will block you as well. And did you know that Daniel was in a group show at Perrotin back in 2004?

According to him, his first Future Relics show was in 2011. Looking at his bio, I'd guess it was "Dig" in NYC. So I don't think an unrelated show in 2004 is particularly relevant.

[LAZAKY]

Dec 15, 2016 17:38:52 GMT 1 msobel3 said:

You international guys give this artist a lot ofs**t about shipping charges. The shipping charges within the US were extremely reasonable. He's a NYC based artist. And as a result, like most New Yorkers, probably a bit NY-centric. If you live here, it is clear to see that people think that NYC is the center of the universe.

randomname what did you want him to do? sit on instagram and go back and forth arguing with you? how would you respond if someone came into your place of work and started making accusations towards you or critiquing you? if you could simply block them, dont you think you might do it? Go accuse other artists of stealing ideas on instagram... i bet they will block you as well. And did you know that Daniel was in a group show at Perrotin back in 2004?

You guys complain terribly about shipping charges overseas, and i certainly agree that they are high, but realize that hes doing everyone a favor by even offering to ship internationally. He just as easily could have limited shipping to USA and that would have been that.

If you look through the for sale posts on this forum, you will see how many people refuse to ship overseas! And lets be honest, most of you guys knew that shipping charges were going to be prohibitively expensive. But it was only when the relic was sold out that people realized they wanted it. I didn't see many posts on this forum a week before release saying I am located overseas, would someone in the US be willing to purchase for me and then ship it to UK or Europe.

I find it hard to imagine that someone could find fault with this release compared to what else goes on, particularly on graffiti prints and the like. The release could not have been more smooth. It was simple to access, there was no smashing f5, there was no site crash, no robots to compete with. I mean come on, guys. Compared to most of the other releases that occur, this one was so much better, less stressful and easily successful for anyone who knew they wanted it and was on ebay at noon.

As arsham said, and he is proving his honesty, eBay sorted the shipping fees and his team is doing their best to refund extra shipping so everything is alright but you can't say that he is doing kind of favor to the rest of the world by offering international shipping! He is not even a New Yorker! An artist like him can't count only on his country fans, this is about business here! The release is a $200k thing so I do believe that for his pocket and his hype he need a sold out in less than 10 minutes and an international release ! And I respect that, this about art but business too !
I was lucky enough to got funds for the release but I think it's sad for other fans that wanted that piece so much and been stopped by the shipping fees, like many people on the board!

[shygetshigh83]

Arrived!!!

[cutkillavince]

Still not shipped and still no news, I hope it will arrive before Xmas...

[london]

how did you get the shipping refund?
still not heard anything and nothing has been shipped yet?

[cutkillavince]

I finally got a shipping confirmation email 30mn ago, but still no refund nor email. Also the item was shipped via USPS whereas it should have been via UPS Worldwide Express Plus as mentioned in the order description...

[dundun]

Dec 15, 2016 18:25:14 GMT 1 randomname said:

Dec 15, 2016 17:28:08 GMT 1 dundun said:

Completely disagree.  Art isn't just about ideas.  It's just as much about execution.  Does KAWS have great ideas?  Not really(and I'm the hugest fan), but his execution is flawless. Could say this for about pretty much every single artist if you want to nitpick. 

I'd argue that Daniel's take on these is much more succinct and relevant than the other metal ones.  IMO casting those in metal loses the desired affect and they're really not good(even the Stipe ones).  

You're welcome to disagree. There's nothing wrong with being wrong.

Part of what makes great art great is originality. Kaws, while not my cup of tea, did something original. I don't think you would look at his work and say another artist did the exact same thing first.

And in case you didn't notice, the Future Fossils by Bughouse were cast in concrete. Daniel copied the idea exactly, only leaving off the patina. 

Taking another artist's idea is not only unoriginal, it's dishonest and unethical. I find that collectors tend to mirror the ethics (or lack thereof) of the artists they collect more often than not. 

Ha. That's a pretty pompous claim when you're debating opinion.  

 Please explain to me what KAWS or BANKSY did that's so original? Painting your character over adverts isn't exactly new and neither is making ironic social commentary using stencils.  I mean KAWS admits his Companion and Chum characters are his take on Mickey Mouse and the Michelin man.  Not original at all. In fact nothing is original anymore.  Almost everything has been done and it's just a matter of time until someone unearths an artists source.  There's a famous Einstein quote about that.  

I still think the future fossil series is crap and Daniel's execution is miles better.  You can tell me I'm wrong about that, but you can't debate that almost all art is derivative in one form or another.  The challenge/beauty lies in the execution and I'll stand by that.  

[cutkillavince]

Dec 16, 2016 19:47:31 GMT 1 cutkillavince said:

I finally got a shipping confirmation email 30mn ago, but still no refund nor email. Also the item was shipped via USPS whereas it should have been via UPS Worldwide Express Plus as mentioned in the order description...

I'm quoting myself I was contacted by Daniel Arsham's team just few minutes ago, see below

"Yes we are working on adjusting the shipping costs and sending refunds for the difference in cost. You should receive the shipping refund later today. Thanks for your patience while we sort this out. There was some problem with the eBay sale this time and it charged everyone so much! We are fixing it!"

EDIT: I've just received a partial refund of $238, cool

[Dr Plip]

[ling]

Had to unfollow on Instagram- the story feed was getting too much. The guy absolutely loves himself.

Put me off his work now too, sadly.

[vytis33]

Mine landed yesterday and packaging was impeccable. Very pleased

[SturbanHasSaggyTits]

This guy sounds like a right prize.. Glad I've never handed over my money to him.
He's a Kanye West fan too. My mother always told me to be wary of Kanye West fans

[randomname]

Dec 16, 2016 20:19:53 GMT 1 dundun said:

Dec 15, 2016 18:25:14 GMT 1 randomname said:

You're welcome to disagree. There's nothing wrong with being wrong.

Part of what makes great art great is originality. Kaws, while not my cup of tea, did something original. I don't think you would look at his work and say another artist did the exact same thing first.

And in case you didn't notice, the Future Fossils by Bughouse were cast in concrete. Daniel copied the idea exactly, only leaving off the patina. 

Taking another artist's idea is not only unoriginal, it's dishonest and unethical. I find that collectors tend to mirror the ethics (or lack thereof) of the artists they collect more often than not. 

Ha. That's a pretty pompous claim when you're debating opinion.  

 Please explain to me what KAWS or BANKSY did that's so original? Painting your character over adverts isn't exactly new and neither is making ironic social commentary using stencils.  I mean KAWS admits his Companion and Chum characters are his take on Mickey Mouse and the Michelin man.  Not original at all. In fact nothing is original anymore.  Almost everything has been done and it's just a matter of time until someone unearths an artists source.  There's a famous Einstein quote about that.  

I still think the future fossil series is crap and Daniel's execution is miles better.  You can tell me I'm wrong about that, but you can't debate that almost all art is derivative in one form or another.  The challenge/beauty lies in the execution and I'll stand by that.  

The thing about opinions is that when they're based on false information, they will invariably be wrong. And your opinion is based on a complete lack of information at best.

KAWS was the first artist to use cartoon characters to subvert outdoor advertising. That's original. He became a legend in NYC street art before street art was a thing. He transitioned that into abstract cartoon art in galleries, which was also original. 

Banksy was the first stencil artist doing social satire. He pioneered street art as we know it today. His art was a seismic shift from graffiti. He's probably the most imitated street artist of all time because his work was so original.

I couldn't care less if Danny executed someone else's idea better than they did. It's not his idea. It's not even derivative. It's theft. But like I said, collectors tend to mirror the ethics of the artists they collect more often than not.

[dundun]

Dec 19, 2016 17:24:14 GMT 1 randomname said:

Dec 16, 2016 20:19:53 GMT 1 dundun said:

Ha. That's a pretty pompous claim when you're debating opinion.  

 Please explain to me what KAWS or BANKSY did that's so original? Painting your character over adverts isn't exactly new and neither is making ironic social commentary using stencils.  I mean KAWS admits his Companion and Chum characters are his take on Mickey Mouse and the Michelin man.  Not original at all. In fact nothing is original anymore.  Almost everything has been done and it's just a matter of time until someone unearths an artists source.  There's a famous Einstein quote about that.  

I still think the future fossil series is crap and Daniel's execution is miles better.  You can tell me I'm wrong about that, but you can't debate that almost all art is derivative in one form or another.  The challenge/beauty lies in the execution and I'll stand by that.  

The thing about opinions is that when they're based on false information, they will invariably be wrong. And your opinion is based on a complete lack of information at best.

KAWS was the first artist to use cartoon characters to subvert outdoor advertising. That's original. He became a legend in NYC street art before street art was a thing. He transitioned that into abstract cartoon art in galleries, which was also original. 

Banksy was the first stencil artist doing social satire. He pioneered street art as we know it today. His art was a seismic shift from graffiti. He's probably the most imitated street artist of all time because his work was so original.

I couldn't care less if Danny executed someone else's idea better than they did. It's not his idea. It's not even derivative. It's theft. But like I said, collectors tend to mirror the ethics of the artists they collect more often than not.

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about man.  Bottom line. So many NYC street artists were using cartoon characters for DECADES before KAWS(go pickup a copy of any Martha Cooper/Chalfant book).  He was just the first one to have a key to the bus stops and put them on actual advertising.  That's not original that's just finding a new way to do the old shit.  You're helping prove my point.  He did nothing that was groundbreaking.  His execution where was the beauty was.  His cartoon characters weren't even original as he's basically copying warhol's corporate branding as art. 

Before Banksy there was Blek Le Rat. Whom BANKSY even says, "Everytime I wanted to create something I found out Blek had already done it."  BANKSY just did it better than Blek and so he's more famous. 

Get a clue before you act like you know it all. 

[randomname]

Dec 19, 2016 19:27:28 GMT 1 dundun said:

Dec 19, 2016 17:24:14 GMT 1 randomname said:

The thing about opinions is that when they're based on false information, they will invariably be wrong. And your opinion is based on a complete lack of information at best.

KAWS was the first artist to use cartoon characters to subvert outdoor advertising. That's original. He became a legend in NYC street art before street art was a thing. He transitioned that into abstract cartoon art in galleries, which was also original. 

Banksy was the first stencil artist doing social satire. He pioneered street art as we know it today. His art was a seismic shift from graffiti. He's probably the most imitated street artist of all time because his work was so original.

I couldn't care less if Danny executed someone else's idea better than they did. It's not his idea. It's not even derivative. It's theft. But like I said, collectors tend to mirror the ethics of the artists they collect more often than not.

You have no f**kingclue what you're talking about man.  Bottom line. So many NYC street artists were using cartoon characters for DECADES before KAWS(go pickup a copy of any Martha Cooper/Chalfant book).  He was just the first one to have a key to the bus stops and put them on actual advertising.  That's not original that's just finding a new way to do the olds**t.  You're helping prove my point.  He did nothing that was groundbreaking.  His execution where was the beauty was.  His cartoon characters weren't even original as he's basically copying warhol's corporate branding as art. 

Before Banksy there was Blek Le Rat. Whom BANKSY even says, "Everytime I wanted to create something I found out Blek had already done it."  BANKSY just did it better than Blek and so he's more famous. 

Get a clue before you act like you know it all. 

Like I said, KAWS was the first to subvert outdoor advertising with cartoons. He integrated the characters into the ads as if they were meant to be there. That was an original idea. And that's why it resonated with so many people. Simply painting a cartoon on the wall is not the same thing. If you lack the intelligence to see the difference, I don't think I can help you.

And like I said, Banksy was the first stencil artist to do social satire. Any resemblance to Blek's work is purely superficial. They both painted silhouettes with stencils, but the similarity stopped there. Blek's art was not political or satirical. He generally painted figures with no deeper meaning. Banksy's work resonates because there is an idea or statement behind most of his work. 

As far as the quote goes, that's this new thing called sarcasm. Blek was an obscure artist in another country who quit painting a decade before Banksy came along. It's highly unlikely that Banksy ever even heard of him. After Banksy became famous, Blek came out of the woodwork and has been riding his coattails ever since. A few mindless haters accused Banksy of stealing his style. Banksy was mocking them, knowing they're not bright enough to know when they're being mocked. Somehow I'm not surprised you didn't pick up on that.

[lucky7]

There is no theft in art, everythings been done and steet art is the best example.


Plaster casts have existed for centuries.

Concepts like originality and copying have no place in art (see Duchamp. Then Warhol).

At best one should use the term derivative.

With Arsham its not a question of figure, form or technique, it's a question of concept (see Duchamp again) as it should be.

PS: The most famous artist in history was also the biggest asshole in history. So that's no argument either.

[dundun]

Dec 19, 2016 21:33:55 GMT 1 randomname said:

Dec 19, 2016 19:27:28 GMT 1 dundun said:

You have no f**kingclue what you're talking about man.  Bottom line. So many NYC street artists were using cartoon characters for DECADES before KAWS(go pickup a copy of any Martha Cooper/Chalfant book).  He was just the first one to have a key to the bus stops and put them on actual advertising.  That's not original that's just finding a new way to do the olds**t.  You're helping prove my point.  He did nothing that was groundbreaking.  His execution where was the beauty was.  His cartoon characters weren't even original as he's basically copying warhol's corporate branding as art. 

Before Banksy there was Blek Le Rat. Whom BANKSY even says, "Everytime I wanted to create something I found out Blek had already done it."  BANKSY just did it better than Blek and so he's more famous. 

Get a clue before you act like you know it all. 

Like I said, KAWS was the first to subvert outdoor advertising with cartoons. He integrated the characters into the ads as if they were meant to be there. That was an original idea. And that's why it resonated with so many people. Simply painting a cartoon on the wall is not the same thing. If you lack the intelligence to see the difference, I don't think I can help you.

And like I said, Banksy was the first stencil artist to do social satire. Any resemblance to Blek's work is purely superficial. They both painted silhouettes with stencils, but the similarity stopped there. Blek's art was not political or satirical. He generally painted figures with no deeper meaning. Banksy's work resonates because there is an idea or statement behind most of his work. 

As far as the quote goes, that's this new thing called sarcasm. Blek was an obscure artist in another country who quit painting a decade before Banksy came along. It's highly unlikely that Banksy ever even heard of him. After Banksy became famous, Blek came out of the woodwork and has been riding his coattails ever since. A few mindless haters accused Banksy of stealing his style. Banksy was mocking them, knowing they're not bright enough to know when they're being mocked. Somehow I'm not surprised you didn't pick up on that.

You're too stupid to realize that you're talking about KAWS' execution, not his ideas. If you really think he was the first person ever to paint his work on an ad you're either an idiot or just choose to believe what you want.  And as far as the BANKSY, you're so far off base it's not even funny.  BANKSY was obviously influenced by Blek because of the rats. Pretty big coincidence they're both known for their rats.  Also Blek absolutely did political/social commentary.  You should really shut the f**kup because you're looking talking our of your ass and makings**t up now. 

[randomname]

Dec 19, 2016 22:45:33 GMT 1 dundun said:

Dec 19, 2016 21:33:55 GMT 1 randomname said:

Like I said, KAWS was the first to subvert outdoor advertising with cartoons. He integrated the characters into the ads as if they were meant to be there. That was an original idea. And that's why it resonated with so many people. Simply painting a cartoon on the wall is not the same thing. If you lack the intelligence to see the difference, I don't think I can help you.

And like I said, Banksy was the first stencil artist to do social satire. Any resemblance to Blek's work is purely superficial. They both painted silhouettes with stencils, but the similarity stopped there. Blek's art was not political or satirical. He generally painted figures with no deeper meaning. Banksy's work resonates because there is an idea or statement behind most of his work. 

As far as the quote goes, that's this new thing called sarcasm. Blek was an obscure artist in another country who quit painting a decade before Banksy came along. It's highly unlikely that Banksy ever even heard of him. After Banksy became famous, Blek came out of the woodwork and has been riding his coattails ever since. A few mindless haters accused Banksy of stealing his style. Banksy was mocking them, knowing they're not bright enough to know when they're being mocked. Somehow I'm not surprised you didn't pick up on that.

You're too stupid to realize that you're talking about KAWS' execution, not his ideas. If you really think he was the first person ever to paint his work on an ad you're either an idiot or just choose to believe what you want.  And as far as the BANKSY, you're so far off base it's not even funny.  BANKSY was obviously influenced by Blek because of the rats. Pretty big coincidence they're both known for their rats.  Also Blek absolutely did political/social commentary.  You should really shut the f**kup because you're looking talking our of your ass and makings**t up now. 

I feel like I'm talking to special kid losing his shít. Given your writing ability, or the lack thereof, I'm probably not far off.

Breaking into bus shelters and integrating your own art seamlessly into ads as if it belongs there is the idea. It's what connects one piece of his art to another. Individual pieces of work are executions. Specific Guess or Bebe ads are executions of the idea. Given your inability to form a coherent thought, I fully expect this to fly well over your head.

And back to Banksy, yes they both painted rats. Among many other things. Here's a thought exercise for you. Imagine you're in a large city at night painting images on the street. Look around. What do you see? Okay sorry, I know imagination isn't your thing so I'll spell it out for you. You see rats. It's not much of a coincidence that two artists would be influenced by similar environments. Even if that influence was expressed in vastly different ways.

[shootagain]

Dec 16, 2016 20:37:10 GMT 1 cutkillavince said:

Dec 16, 2016 19:47:31 GMT 1 cutkillavince said:

I finally got a shipping confirmation email 30mn ago, but still no refund nor email. Also the item was shipped via USPS whereas it should have been via UPS Worldwide Express Plus as mentioned in the order description...

I'm quoting myself I was contacted by Daniel Arsham's team just few minutes ago, see below

"Yes we are working on adjusting the shipping costs and sending refunds for the difference in cost. You should receive the shipping refund later today. Thanks for your patience while we sort this out. There was some problem with the eBay sale this time and it charged everyone so much! We are fixing it!"

EDIT: I've just received a partial refund of $238, cool

I've now received a confirmation that my order has been  dispatched and is on its way but I've had no mention of any possible partial refund of those shipping costs, neither from eBay nor from DA's Team ;-( May I ask all of you how to proceed and who exactly to reach out to to get this done ? Thank you

[cutkillavince]

Dec 20, 2016 10:32:10 GMT 1 shootagain said:

Dec 16, 2016 20:37:10 GMT 1 cutkillavince said:

I'm quoting myself I was contacted by Daniel Arsham's team just few minutes ago, see below

"Yes we are working on adjusting the shipping costs and sending refunds for the difference in cost. You should receive the shipping refund later today. Thanks for your patience while we sort this out. There was some problem with the eBay sale this time and it charged everyone so much! We are fixing it!"

EDIT: I've just received a partial refund of $238, cool

I've now received a confirmation that my order has been  dispatched and is on its way but I've had no mention of any possible partial refund of those shipping costs, neither from eBay nor from DA's Team ;-( May I ask all of you how to proceed and who exactly to reach out to to get this done ? Thank you

Just sent you a PM

[shootagain]

Bad news for everybody that was bad mouting on Arsham Team (who supposedly didn't care about all of us) but more importantly very good news for those involved, they ACTUALLY DO REFUND YOU (PROMPTLY) PARTIALLY ($240) if you get in touch with them and nicely re-explain the situation ;-) Here is what I did, thanks to cutkillavince who told me all about it ("Thank you mate again") which I reckon is worth being shared with all of you...

If your order was dispatched by USPS (like mine was) then contact the seller via eBay(you have the option on your eBay summary page) and explain your case (non US buyer, expansive shipping fees, change from UPS to USPS so you assume they found a solution with eBay to lower the shipping costs)

This is I wrote in the message : "Hi, I'm based in London UK and I had to pay $317.88 for the shipping costs. In the order description, it was mentioned it will be shipped via UPS Worldwide Express Plus. I know that some non-US customers already contacted you about this and you told them that you were working it out with eBay and hopefully can present a new option to lower the shipping cost. Today, I got a shipping confirmation notice from eBay and I can see that my item was shipped via USPS. So I assume, this is the cheaper option, however, I didn't get any news/reply about partial refund for the shipping costs. Could you please give me an update ? Many thanks in advance, Regards"

Refund came next day ! Happy Xmas everybody ;-)

[F*X]

Dec 21, 2016 9:05:11 GMT 1 shootagain said:

Bad news for everybody that was bad mouting on Arsham Team (who supposedly didn't care about all of us) but more importantly very good news for those involved, they ACTUALLY DO REFUND YOU (PROMPTLY) PARTIALLY ($240) if you get in touch with them and nicely re-explain the situation ;-) Here is what I did, thanks to cutkillavince who told me all about it ("Thank you mate again") which I reckon is worth being shared with all of you...

If your order was dispatched by USPS (like mine was) then contact the seller via eBay(you have the option on your eBay summary page) and explain your case (non US buyer, expansive shipping fees, change from UPS to USPS so you assume they found a solution with eBay to lower the shipping costs)

This is I wrote in the message : "Hi, I'm based in London UK and I had to pay $317.88 for the shipping costs. In the order description, it was mentioned it will be shipped via UPS Worldwide Express Plus. I know that some non-US customers already contacted you about this and you told them that you were working it out with eBay and hopefully can present a new option to lower the shipping cost. Today, I got a shipping confirmation notice from eBay and I can see that my item was shipped via USPS. So I assume, this is the cheaper option, however, I didn't get any news/reply about partial refund for the shipping costs. Could you please give me an update ? Many thanks in advance, Regards"

Refund came next day ! Happy Xmas everybody ;-)

Thanks for the tip. I dropped Arsham studios a note via e-Bay received a refund within hours.

[kel]

shootagain great news and for all those that managed to grab one.

To be fair they didn't really have an option but for those that took the gamble it has paid off. Surprised me as watching his social media profiles he has come across as a right c*nt when people were questioning his rip off charges.

Still do not buy the fact that the shipping charges were out of their control they would have had direct dialogue with eBay over this release and agreed rates before the drop.

[grahamh]

Just to advise i used the method explained above by shootagain and within 6 hours i had received a $200 shipping refund.

Thanks for the heads up Shoot.. an early xmas present for me!

G

[cutkillavince]

Great news that you all got a refund

[grief]

Just imagine how many customers dont know about this info and eat up the shipping costs.