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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by 3D Monkey on Mar 24, 2022 18:40:02 GMT 1, Itβs a shame when we see forum members tell others to FU. I donβt think there is any excuse for such aggressive language regardless whether you disagree or agree. I wish there were mods who could ensure this is not tolerated. It just puts off others wanting to contribute to any of the threads. It canβt be that difficult to behave like a responsible adult. "I donβt think there is any excuse for such aggressive language regardless whether you disagree or agree." Its just swearing for fucksake.Β
No swearing? On a forum to which its very foundations lay on supporting perceived subversive/urban crime? - Oh Fiddlesticks!
Will the controversy never end???
Itβs a shame when we see forum members tell others to FU. I donβt think there is any excuse for such aggressive language regardless whether you disagree or agree. I wish there were mods who could ensure this is not tolerated. It just puts off others wanting to contribute to any of the threads. It canβt be that difficult to behave like a responsible adult. "I donβt think there is any excuse for such aggressive language regardless whether you disagree or agree." Its just swearing for fucksake.Β No swearing? On a forum to which its very foundations lay on supporting perceived subversive/urban crime? - Oh Fiddlesticks! Will the controversy never end??? |
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by 3D Monkey on Mar 24, 2022 18:40:13 GMT 1, Itβs a shame when we see forum members tell others to FU. I donβt think there is any excuse for such aggressive language regardless whether you disagree or agree. I wish there were mods who could ensure this is not tolerated. It just puts off others wanting to contribute to any of the threads. It canβt be that difficult to behave like a responsible adult. "I donβt think there is any excuse for such aggressive language regardless whether you disagree or agree." Its just swearing for fucksake.Β
No swearing? On a forum to which its very foundations lay on supporting perceived subversive/urban crime? - Oh Fiddlesticks!
Will the controversy never end???
Itβs a shame when we see forum members tell others to FU. I donβt think there is any excuse for such aggressive language regardless whether you disagree or agree. I wish there were mods who could ensure this is not tolerated. It just puts off others wanting to contribute to any of the threads. It canβt be that difficult to behave like a responsible adult. "I donβt think there is any excuse for such aggressive language regardless whether you disagree or agree." Its just swearing for fucksake.Β No swearing? On a forum to which its very foundations lay on supporting perceived subversive/urban crime? - Oh Fiddlesticks! Will the controversy never end??? |
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by Jules Leotard on Mar 24, 2022 18:41:53 GMT 1,
It's not just Ukraine that's at war I don't understand why people close their eyes to other countries. In Africa a lot of people are starving and they have distributed a lot of money for arms. I boycott I am neither for the Russians nor for Ukraine, I am for peace. I don't see people talking about the media who don't give a damn about us. Soon it will be read that there are no Nazis on either side. You don't appear to be "for" peace. The Ukrainian military is inside its internationally recognized borders. The Ukrainian military isn't bombing heavily-populated areas inside Russia. You muddy your argument bringing other conflicts into the discussion. None of those other conflicts could evolve into WW3, but you are acting like the West should be involved in those too - which would then allow you to say U.S's "20 wars" instead of "10". Apparently only you can have it both ways, criticize involvement and criticize lack of involvement.
It's not just Ukraine that's at war I don't understand why people close their eyes to other countries. In Africa a lot of people are starving and they have distributed a lot of money for arms. I boycott I am neither for the Russians nor for Ukraine, I am for peace. I don't see people talking about the media who don't give a damn about us. Soon it will be read that there are no Nazis on either side. You don't appear to be "for" peace. The Ukrainian military is inside its internationally recognized borders. The Ukrainian military isn't bombing heavily-populated areas inside Russia. You muddy your argument bringing other conflicts into the discussion. None of those other conflicts could evolve into WW3, but you are acting like the West should be involved in those too - which would then allow you to say U.S's "20 wars" instead of "10". Apparently only you can have it both ways, criticize involvement and criticize lack of involvement. |
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by startimeash on Mar 24, 2022 18:57:34 GMT 1, The Adams family. 10 wars, 6 million deaths, 0 sanctions. 
If you are reading, take a good look at the photo and think  Have a nice day And finally Trump is I think the only American president who did not go to war if I'm wrong I apologize I donβt normally say these things, but for Nikos76 to just come out and post this crap, I have to reply: To Nikos76β¦from an Americanβ¦go F yourself. if it werenβt for America, a lot of you would now be speaking German (no offense to Germans) and goose-stepping to fascists. if it werenβt for America, Russia would still be the USSR and countries like Ukraine and Georgia wouldnβt even exist as free-standing nations. But Iβll assume you are apologizing and from America, we say youβre welcomeβ¦ and trump didnβt go to war because he was licking the boots of other fascists like Putin and Kim. And he pushed Syrian freedom fighters under the bus by not only withdrawing American support teams, but by limiting the supplies we gave them.
The USSR also began collapsing way before Reagan tried to spend it to death; it was shown up in Afghanistan as it is being in Ukraine. The bulwark against Communism in Europe was West Germany, and ironically many of the rehabilitated Nazis that made it into the post-war government. The USSR, as with all planned economies, was unable to react swiftly enough to changing needs and technological advances. Why do you think that China and Deng Xiaoping moved away from the Maoist command economy at the start of the 1980s? The USSR was already decaying; Reagan just gave it a final kick.
I get your sentiment, but you are doing yourself and the USA no favours with this sort of jingoistic clap-trap, especially when all decent historians consider it bollocks.
The Adams family. 10 wars, 6 million deaths, 0 sanctions.
If you are reading, take a good look at the photo and think Have a nice day And finally Trump is I think the only American president who did not go to war if I'm wrong I apologize I donβt normally say these things, but for Nikos76 to just come out and post this crap, I have to reply: To Nikos76β¦from an Americanβ¦go F yourself. if it werenβt for America, a lot of you would now be speaking German (no offense to Germans) and goose-stepping to fascists. if it werenβt for America, Russia would still be the USSR and countries like Ukraine and Georgia wouldnβt even exist as free-standing nations. But Iβll assume you are apologizing and from America, we say youβre welcomeβ¦ and trump didnβt go to war because he was licking the boots of other fascists like Putin and Kim. And he pushed Syrian freedom fighters under the bus by not only withdrawing American support teams, but by limiting the supplies we gave them. I don't agree with Nikos AT ALL, but the above reading of history is so wrong that I don't know where to begin. The reason we are not "all speaking German" is because of Zhukov and the Russian army grinding the German war machine down on the Eastern Front. You only need look at the casualty figures to see that. The Western Front was a tea party in comparison. By the time of the D-Day landings the German army was in pieces; Rommel and Sepp Dietrich fought a pretty valiant campaign with what they had left, but with Hitler determined to micro-manage everything even down to the company level, the war was already lost. The USA helped tremendously in that regard, and also in supplying Britain before 1944, but the Red Army would've taken Berlin by 1946 at the latest even without the Western allies. The USSR also began collapsing way before Reagan tried to spend it to death; it was shown up in Afghanistan as it is being in Ukraine. The bulwark against Communism in Europe was West Germany, and ironically many of the rehabilitated Nazis that made it into the post-war government. The USSR, as with all planned economies, was unable to react swiftly enough to changing needs and technological advances. Why do you think that China and Deng Xiaoping moved away from the Maoist command economy at the start of the 1980s? The USSR was already decaying; Reagan just gave it a final kick. I get your sentiment, but you are doing yourself and the USA no favours with this sort of jingoistic clap-trap, especially when all decent historians consider it bollocks. |
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by Acme Thunderer on Mar 24, 2022 19:22:10 GMT 1, "I donβt think there is any excuse for such aggressive language regardless whether you disagree or agree." Its just swearing for fucksake. No swearing? On a forum to which its very foundations lay on supporting perceived subversive/urban crime? - Oh Fiddlesticks! Will the controversy never end???
"I donβt think there is any excuse for such aggressive language regardless whether you disagree or agree." Its just swearing for fucksake. No swearing? On a forum to which its very foundations lay on supporting perceived subversive/urban crime? - Oh Fiddlesticks! Will the controversy never end??? Canβt see where we said no swearing, but some members do overstep the mark with how aggressive they can be. For those who are on the receiving end it canβt be pleasant so there should be no excuses. |
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by golft on Mar 24, 2022 19:22:43 GMT 1, Did somebody pull a Bait & Switch on me, because I could've sworn I joined an Art Forum and not a Politics Forum.
I just wanted to find out more info about 3D's art work and the 2 timed prints and see what people thought about them...my bad.
Did somebody pull a Bait & Switch on me, because I could've sworn I joined an Art Forum and not a Politics Forum.
I just wanted to find out more info about 3D's art work and the 2 timed prints and see what people thought about them...my bad.
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by yoss on Mar 24, 2022 19:45:42 GMT 1, I am sorry. Yes, I could have written it better, but when someone comes outright to bash America, I wonβt stand for it. We are not perfectβ¦far from it. But more than a century, we have helped so many countries and the people found in them. Again, not perfect, but we try.
We supply countries after natural disasters, we find vaccines and cures, we support NATO and the World Bank, we give billions in aid and weaponry to countries like Ukraine.
We try. And we try again. Weβre not perfect but America is a damn fine country.
And to note on history, the US supported Britain and free-France even before we got into the war. Once we were in the war, we pushed back hitler from the brink of crossing the English Channel, we pushed Vichy France back, kicked the Naziβs out of Africa and took Mussolini out of power. Russia wasnβt involved until Hitler stupidly decided to fight a 2 front war. Yes, the casualties around Leningrad and Stalingrad (Saint Petersburg and Volgograd) were astounding because neither side wanted to give in and the massive civilian casualties, but that doesnβt count for the change in the tide when the US supported Europe and then entered the war.
As for the USSR, the earlier posting was correct that Afghanistan was their downfallβ¦but who supplied the mujahideen to drain the life and money out of the USSR? Yep, America.
And lastly, yes, we dropped two nukes on Japan. They were not going to surrender until the very lst Japanese person was dead and all the Americans (and Aussies) killed to get to that point. As horrific as those bombs were (and yes we warned days ahead to get out of town), it saved hundreds of thousands of American and Aussie lives. And ended WWII.
I am sorry. Yes, I could have written it better, but when someone comes outright to bash America, I wonβt stand for it. We are not perfectβ¦far from it. But more than a century, we have helped so many countries and the people found in them. Again, not perfect, but we try.
We supply countries after natural disasters, we find vaccines and cures, we support NATO and the World Bank, we give billions in aid and weaponry to countries like Ukraine.
We try. And we try again. Weβre not perfect but America is a damn fine country.
And to note on history, the US supported Britain and free-France even before we got into the war. Once we were in the war, we pushed back hitler from the brink of crossing the English Channel, we pushed Vichy France back, kicked the Naziβs out of Africa and took Mussolini out of power. Russia wasnβt involved until Hitler stupidly decided to fight a 2 front war. Yes, the casualties around Leningrad and Stalingrad (Saint Petersburg and Volgograd) were astounding because neither side wanted to give in and the massive civilian casualties, but that doesnβt count for the change in the tide when the US supported Europe and then entered the war.
As for the USSR, the earlier posting was correct that Afghanistan was their downfallβ¦but who supplied the mujahideen to drain the life and money out of the USSR? Yep, America.
And lastly, yes, we dropped two nukes on Japan. They were not going to surrender until the very lst Japanese person was dead and all the Americans (and Aussies) killed to get to that point. As horrific as those bombs were (and yes we warned days ahead to get out of town), it saved hundreds of thousands of American and Aussie lives. And ended WWII.
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by Jules Leotard on Mar 24, 2022 19:53:07 GMT 1, Did somebody pull a Bait & Switch on me, because I could've sworn I joined an Art Forum and not a Politics Forum. I just wanted to find out more info about 3D's art work and the 2 timed prints and see what people thought about them...my bad. uh...
you realize this thread is for Robert Del Naja prints that were created to support the victims of the conflict in Ukraine, right? sort of political in nature.
Did somebody pull a Bait & Switch on me, because I could've sworn I joined an Art Forum and not a Politics Forum. I just wanted to find out more info about 3D's art work and the 2 timed prints and see what people thought about them...my bad. uh...
you realize this thread is for Robert Del Naja prints that were created to support the victims of the conflict in Ukraine, right? sort of political in nature.
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by Jules Leotard on Mar 24, 2022 19:56:42 GMT 1, No swearing? On a forum to which its very foundations lay on supporting perceived subversive/urban crime? - Oh Fiddlesticks! Will the controversy never end??? Canβt see where we said no swearing, but some members do overstep the mark with how aggressive they can be. For those who are on the receiving end it canβt be pleasant so there should be no excuses.
No swearing? On a forum to which its very foundations lay on supporting perceived subversive/urban crime? - Oh Fiddlesticks! Will the controversy never end??? Canβt see where we said no swearing, but some members do overstep the mark with how aggressive they can be. For those who are on the receiving end it canβt be pleasant so there should be no excuses. Seems to be a fine line between aggressive language and passionate discourse. |
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by 3D Monkey on Mar 24, 2022 20:10:38 GMT 1, No swearing? On a forum to which its very foundations lay on supporting perceived subversive/urban crime? - Oh Fiddlesticks! Will the controversy never end??? Canβt see where we said no swearing, but some members do overstep the mark with how aggressive they can be. For those who are on the receiving end it canβt be pleasant so there should be no excuses.
Being obnoxious and swearing are 2 very different subjects: The context was clearly in-regards to the latter
No swearing? On a forum to which its very foundations lay on supporting perceived subversive/urban crime? - Oh Fiddlesticks! Will the controversy never end??? Canβt see where we said no swearing, but some members do overstep the mark with how aggressive they can be. For those who are on the receiving end it canβt be pleasant so there should be no excuses. Being obnoxious and swearing are 2 very different subjects: The context was clearly in-regards to the latter |
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by startimeash on Mar 24, 2022 20:25:17 GMT 1, I am sorry. Yes, I could have written it better, but when someone comes outright to bash America, I wonβt stand for it. We are not perfectβ¦far from it. But more than a century, we have helped so many countries and the people found in them. Again, not perfect, but we try. We supply countries after natural disasters, we find vaccines and cures, we support NATO and the World Bank, we give billions in aid and weaponry to countries like Ukraine. We try. And we try again. Weβre not perfect but America is a damn fine country. And to note on history, the US supported Britain and free-France even before we got into the war. Once we were in the war, we pushed back hitler from the brink of crossing the English Channel, we pushed Vichy France back, kicked the Naziβs out of Africa and took Mussolini out of power. Russia wasnβt involved until Hitler stupidly decided to fight a 2 front war. Yes, the casualties around Leningrad and Stalingrad (Saint Petersburg and Volgograd) were astounding because neither side wanted to give in and the massive civilian casualties, but that doesnβt count for the change in the tide when the US supported Europe and then entered the war. As for the USSR, the earlier posting was correct that Afghanistan was their downfallβ¦but who supplied the mujahideen to drain the life and money out of the USSR? Yep, America. And lastly, yes, we dropped two nukes on Japan. They were not going to surrender until the very lst Japanese person was dead and all the Americans (and Aussies) killed to get to that point. As horrific as those bombs were (and yes we warned days ahead to get out of town), it saved hundreds of thousands of American and Aussie lives. And ended WWII.
"kicked the Naziβs out of Africa" - again, not true
"took Mussolini out of power" - Mussolini was deposed by the Fascist council and replaced by Marshall Badoglio; no American involvement there.
"that doesnβt count for the change in the tide when the US supported Europe and then entered the war." - again, factually incorrect; after Hitler foolishly decided against taking Moscow when he had the chance, and diverted to the south to try and secure the oil fields, the war was lost, as it gave Stalin the time to regroup and begin to trust his Generals again. The Soviet army lost around 9m soldiers rolling up the Eastern Front; in comparison the USA lost less than 500,000 in the West.
I'm not going to get into the argument around the atomic bombings (you're wrong there, too) as otherwise this would go on forever. Suffice to say, please read some books on the war and educate yourself around the relative prices paid by the allies. No one is saying that the USA did not help immensely, but your reading of what actually happened is just completely wrong. The Wehrmacht of 1942 would've taken and kept all of western Europe, and would easily have handled the Normandy landings. America and Britain were key members of the coalition to beat the Nazis, but without the Russians we would have lost. To say anything else is historically illiterate.
I am sorry. Yes, I could have written it better, but when someone comes outright to bash America, I wonβt stand for it. We are not perfectβ¦far from it. But more than a century, we have helped so many countries and the people found in them. Again, not perfect, but we try. We supply countries after natural disasters, we find vaccines and cures, we support NATO and the World Bank, we give billions in aid and weaponry to countries like Ukraine. We try. And we try again. Weβre not perfect but America is a damn fine country. And to note on history, the US supported Britain and free-France even before we got into the war. Once we were in the war, we pushed back hitler from the brink of crossing the English Channel, we pushed Vichy France back, kicked the Naziβs out of Africa and took Mussolini out of power. Russia wasnβt involved until Hitler stupidly decided to fight a 2 front war. Yes, the casualties around Leningrad and Stalingrad (Saint Petersburg and Volgograd) were astounding because neither side wanted to give in and the massive civilian casualties, but that doesnβt count for the change in the tide when the US supported Europe and then entered the war. As for the USSR, the earlier posting was correct that Afghanistan was their downfallβ¦but who supplied the mujahideen to drain the life and money out of the USSR? Yep, America. And lastly, yes, we dropped two nukes on Japan. They were not going to surrender until the very lst Japanese person was dead and all the Americans (and Aussies) killed to get to that point. As horrific as those bombs were (and yes we warned days ahead to get out of town), it saved hundreds of thousands of American and Aussie lives. And ended WWII. "Once we were in the war, we pushed back hitler from the brink of crossing the English Channel" - this is just factually incorrect; Operation Sealion was cancelled as the failure of Goerring and the Luftwaffe to stop the Dunkirk evacuation meant that Britain was able to regroup. Guderian had wanted to take Dunkirk with his Panzer army but Goerring persuaded Hitler that he could stop the evacuation without ground troops. Once that failed, the British Navy was more than capable of containing the German equivalent. Hitler felt able to take on Russia as he felt (wrongly) that Churchill would sue for peace. Even if the Nazis had gained air superiority, an invasion would've been too costly. "kicked the Naziβs out of Africa" - again, not true "took Mussolini out of power" - Mussolini was deposed by the Fascist council and replaced by Marshall Badoglio; no American involvement there. "that doesnβt count for the change in the tide when the US supported Europe and then entered the war." - again, factually incorrect; after Hitler foolishly decided against taking Moscow when he had the chance, and diverted to the south to try and secure the oil fields, the war was lost, as it gave Stalin the time to regroup and begin to trust his Generals again. The Soviet army lost around 9m soldiers rolling up the Eastern Front; in comparison the USA lost less than 500,000 in the West. I'm not going to get into the argument around the atomic bombings (you're wrong there, too) as otherwise this would go on forever. Suffice to say, please read some books on the war and educate yourself around the relative prices paid by the allies. No one is saying that the USA did not help immensely, but your reading of what actually happened is just completely wrong. The Wehrmacht of 1942 would've taken and kept all of western Europe, and would easily have handled the Normandy landings. America and Britain were key members of the coalition to beat the Nazis, but without the Russians we would have lost. To say anything else is historically illiterate. |
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by golft on Mar 24, 2022 20:29:35 GMT 1, Did somebody pull a Bait & Switch on me, because I could've sworn I joined an Art Forum and not a Politics Forum. I just wanted to find out more info about 3D's art work and the 2 timed prints and see what people thought about them...my bad. uh...
you realize this thread is for Robert Del Naja prints that were created to support the victims of the conflict in Ukraine, right? sort of political in nature.
Again, being a newbie, and trying to learn the ropes around here, I apologize for thinking this post was going to be about Robert '3D' Del Naja's prints.
Did somebody pull a Bait & Switch on me, because I could've sworn I joined an Art Forum and not a Politics Forum. I just wanted to find out more info about 3D's art work and the 2 timed prints and see what people thought about them...my bad. uh...
you realize this thread is for Robert Del Naja prints that were created to support the victims of the conflict in Ukraine, right? sort of political in nature.
I get it and completely understand that, but this shit went off the rails after the Original Post about the prints and then most of the post after that are about War and foul language. Again, being a newbie, and trying to learn the ropes around here, I apologize for thinking this post was going to be about Robert '3D' Del Naja's prints. |
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by Deleted on Mar 24, 2022 20:32:22 GMT 1, I am sorry. Yes, I could have written it better, but when someone comes outright to bash America, I wonβt stand for it. We are not perfectβ¦far from it. But more than a century, we have helped so many countries and the people found in them. Again, not perfect, but we try. We supply countries after natural disasters, we find vaccines and cures, we support NATO and the World Bank, we give billions in aid and weaponry to countries like Ukraine. We try. And we try again. Weβre not perfect but America is a damn fine country. And to note on history, the US supported Britain and free-France even before we got into the war. Once we were in the war, we pushed back hitler from the brink of crossing the English Channel, we pushed Vichy France back, kicked the Naziβs out of Africa and took Mussolini out of power. Russia wasnβt involved until Hitler stupidly decided to fight a 2 front war. Yes, the casualties around Leningrad and Stalingrad (Saint Petersburg and Volgograd) were astounding because neither side wanted to give in and the massive civilian casualties, but that doesnβt count for the change in the tide when the US supported Europe and then entered the war. As for the USSR, the earlier posting was correct that Afghanistan was their downfallβ¦but who supplied the mujahideen to drain the life and money out of the USSR? Yep, America. And lastly, yes, we dropped two nukes on Japan. They were not going to surrender until the very lst Japanese person was dead and all the Americans (and Aussies) killed to get to that point. As horrific as those bombs were (and yes we warned days ahead to get out of town), it saved hundreds of thousands of American and Aussie lives. And ended WWII. "Once we were in the war, we pushed back hitler from the brink of crossing the English Channel" - this is just factually incorrect; Operation Sealion was cancelled as the failure of Goerring and the Luftwaffe to stop the Dunkirk evacuation meant that Britain was able to regroup. Guderian had wanted to take Dunkirk with his Panzer army but Goerring persuaded Hitler that he could stop the evacuation without ground troops. Once that failed, the British Navy was more than capable of containing the German equivalent. Hitler felt able to take on Russia as he felt (wrongly) that Churchill would sue for peace. Even if the Nazis had gained air superiority, an invasion would've been too costly. "kicked the Naziβs out of Africa" - again, not true "took Mussolini out of power" - Mussolini was deposed by the Fascist council and replaced by Marshall Badoglio; no American involvement there. "that doesnβt count for the change in the tide when the US supported Europe and then entered the war." - again, factually incorrect; after Hitler foolishly decided against taking Moscow when he had the chance, and diverted to the south to try and secure the oil fields, the war was lost, as it gave Stalin the time to regroup and begin to trust his Generals again. The Soviet army lost around 9m soldiers rolling up the Eastern Front; in comparison the USA lost less than 500,000 in the West. I'm not going to get into the argument around the atomic bombings (you're wrong there, too) as otherwise this would go on forever. Suffice to say, please read some books on the war and educate yourself around the relative prices paid by the allies. No one is saying that the USA did not help immensely, but your reading of what actually happened is just completely wrong. The Wehrmacht of 1942 would've taken and kept all of western Europe, and would easily have handled the Normandy landings. America and Britain were key members of the coalition to beat the Nazis, but without the Russians we would have lost. To say anything else is historically illiterate.
Wasn't it the soviets declaring war on Japan that was the major reason for their surrender?
I am sorry. Yes, I could have written it better, but when someone comes outright to bash America, I wonβt stand for it. We are not perfectβ¦far from it. But more than a century, we have helped so many countries and the people found in them. Again, not perfect, but we try. We supply countries after natural disasters, we find vaccines and cures, we support NATO and the World Bank, we give billions in aid and weaponry to countries like Ukraine. We try. And we try again. Weβre not perfect but America is a damn fine country. And to note on history, the US supported Britain and free-France even before we got into the war. Once we were in the war, we pushed back hitler from the brink of crossing the English Channel, we pushed Vichy France back, kicked the Naziβs out of Africa and took Mussolini out of power. Russia wasnβt involved until Hitler stupidly decided to fight a 2 front war. Yes, the casualties around Leningrad and Stalingrad (Saint Petersburg and Volgograd) were astounding because neither side wanted to give in and the massive civilian casualties, but that doesnβt count for the change in the tide when the US supported Europe and then entered the war. As for the USSR, the earlier posting was correct that Afghanistan was their downfallβ¦but who supplied the mujahideen to drain the life and money out of the USSR? Yep, America. And lastly, yes, we dropped two nukes on Japan. They were not going to surrender until the very lst Japanese person was dead and all the Americans (and Aussies) killed to get to that point. As horrific as those bombs were (and yes we warned days ahead to get out of town), it saved hundreds of thousands of American and Aussie lives. And ended WWII. "Once we were in the war, we pushed back hitler from the brink of crossing the English Channel" - this is just factually incorrect; Operation Sealion was cancelled as the failure of Goerring and the Luftwaffe to stop the Dunkirk evacuation meant that Britain was able to regroup. Guderian had wanted to take Dunkirk with his Panzer army but Goerring persuaded Hitler that he could stop the evacuation without ground troops. Once that failed, the British Navy was more than capable of containing the German equivalent. Hitler felt able to take on Russia as he felt (wrongly) that Churchill would sue for peace. Even if the Nazis had gained air superiority, an invasion would've been too costly. "kicked the Naziβs out of Africa" - again, not true "took Mussolini out of power" - Mussolini was deposed by the Fascist council and replaced by Marshall Badoglio; no American involvement there. "that doesnβt count for the change in the tide when the US supported Europe and then entered the war." - again, factually incorrect; after Hitler foolishly decided against taking Moscow when he had the chance, and diverted to the south to try and secure the oil fields, the war was lost, as it gave Stalin the time to regroup and begin to trust his Generals again. The Soviet army lost around 9m soldiers rolling up the Eastern Front; in comparison the USA lost less than 500,000 in the West. I'm not going to get into the argument around the atomic bombings (you're wrong there, too) as otherwise this would go on forever. Suffice to say, please read some books on the war and educate yourself around the relative prices paid by the allies. No one is saying that the USA did not help immensely, but your reading of what actually happened is just completely wrong. The Wehrmacht of 1942 would've taken and kept all of western Europe, and would easily have handled the Normandy landings. America and Britain were key members of the coalition to beat the Nazis, but without the Russians we would have lost. To say anything else is historically illiterate. Wasn't it the soviets declaring war on Japan that was the major reason for their surrender? |
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by startimeash on Mar 24, 2022 20:33:31 GMT 1, "Once we were in the war, we pushed back hitler from the brink of crossing the English Channel" - this is just factually incorrect; Operation Sealion was cancelled as the failure of Goerring and the Luftwaffe to stop the Dunkirk evacuation meant that Britain was able to regroup. Guderian had wanted to take Dunkirk with his Panzer army but Goerring persuaded Hitler that he could stop the evacuation without ground troops. Once that failed, the British Navy was more than capable of containing the German equivalent. Hitler felt able to take on Russia as he felt (wrongly) that Churchill would sue for peace. Even if the Nazis had gained air superiority, an invasion would've been too costly. "kicked the Naziβs out of Africa" - again, not true "took Mussolini out of power" - Mussolini was deposed by the Fascist council and replaced by Marshall Badoglio; no American involvement there. "that doesnβt count for the change in the tide when the US supported Europe and then entered the war." - again, factually incorrect; after Hitler foolishly decided against taking Moscow when he had the chance, and diverted to the south to try and secure the oil fields, the war was lost, as it gave Stalin the time to regroup and begin to trust his Generals again. The Soviet army lost around 9m soldiers rolling up the Eastern Front; in comparison the USA lost less than 500,000 in the West. I'm not going to get into the argument around the atomic bombings (you're wrong there, too) as otherwise this would go on forever. Suffice to say, please read some books on the war and educate yourself around the relative prices paid by the allies. No one is saying that the USA did not help immensely, but your reading of what actually happened is just completely wrong. The Wehrmacht of 1942 would've taken and kept all of western Europe, and would easily have handled the Normandy landings. America and Britain were key members of the coalition to beat the Nazis, but without the Russians we would have lost. To say anything else is historically illiterate. Wasn't it the soviets declaring war on Japan that was the major reason for their surrender?
"Once we were in the war, we pushed back hitler from the brink of crossing the English Channel" - this is just factually incorrect; Operation Sealion was cancelled as the failure of Goerring and the Luftwaffe to stop the Dunkirk evacuation meant that Britain was able to regroup. Guderian had wanted to take Dunkirk with his Panzer army but Goerring persuaded Hitler that he could stop the evacuation without ground troops. Once that failed, the British Navy was more than capable of containing the German equivalent. Hitler felt able to take on Russia as he felt (wrongly) that Churchill would sue for peace. Even if the Nazis had gained air superiority, an invasion would've been too costly. "kicked the Naziβs out of Africa" - again, not true "took Mussolini out of power" - Mussolini was deposed by the Fascist council and replaced by Marshall Badoglio; no American involvement there. "that doesnβt count for the change in the tide when the US supported Europe and then entered the war." - again, factually incorrect; after Hitler foolishly decided against taking Moscow when he had the chance, and diverted to the south to try and secure the oil fields, the war was lost, as it gave Stalin the time to regroup and begin to trust his Generals again. The Soviet army lost around 9m soldiers rolling up the Eastern Front; in comparison the USA lost less than 500,000 in the West. I'm not going to get into the argument around the atomic bombings (you're wrong there, too) as otherwise this would go on forever. Suffice to say, please read some books on the war and educate yourself around the relative prices paid by the allies. No one is saying that the USA did not help immensely, but your reading of what actually happened is just completely wrong. The Wehrmacht of 1942 would've taken and kept all of western Europe, and would easily have handled the Normandy landings. America and Britain were key members of the coalition to beat the Nazis, but without the Russians we would have lost. To say anything else is historically illiterate. Wasn't it the soviets declaring war on Japan that was the major reason for their surrender? Yup - Russians itching for revenge from 1905 |
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by Viennese on Mar 24, 2022 21:22:00 GMT 1, Leaving it till the deadline to decide. I really like both, it's frustrating haha. The heart is easier to hang on the wall but the cutlery one feels more representative of 3D's work. On the latter, is that an eye in the mouth area?
Leaving it till the deadline to decide. I really like both, it's frustrating haha. The heart is easier to hang on the wall but the cutlery one feels more representative of 3D's work. On the latter, is that an eye in the mouth area? It looks like an eye but I donβt think itβs on purpose as can be seen in his similar works. |
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by Viennese on Mar 24, 2022 21:43:38 GMT 1, Thank you for all the details and you are certainly very knowledgeable about this matter and I believe noone tried to imply that the US alone defeated the Axis, at the same time I also donβt think that this matter can be broken down to just war tactics and battles fought. Speaking to the point that I believe was made: We can count ourselves very lucky that the US intervened (no matter timing or motives). If they hadnβt especially the aftermath would have looked very differently if only the USSR, UK and F would have been at the table when negotiating about the future of Europeβ¦ I might have grown up speaking Russian 
Edit: quoted the wrong part before
Thank you for all the details and you are certainly very knowledgeable about this matter and I believe noone tried to imply that the US alone defeated the Axis, at the same time I also donβt think that this matter can be broken down to just war tactics and battles fought. Speaking to the point that I believe was made: We can count ourselves very lucky that the US intervened (no matter timing or motives). If they hadnβt especially the aftermath would have looked very differently if only the USSR, UK and F would have been at the table when negotiating about the future of Europeβ¦ I might have grown up speaking Russian Edit: quoted the wrong part before |
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by lollie on Mar 25, 2022 9:21:15 GMT 1, Can anyone who knows how do do an online frame mock up please throw a link or some tips in here? I want to have a dabble with print 2. Thank you. And good morning UAA!
I use easyframe.co.uk to see what the framing would look like.
You can upload your pictures then try out different framing.
Can anyone who knows how do do an online frame mock up please throw a link or some tips in here? I want to have a dabble with print 2. Thank you. And good morning UAA! I use easyframe.co.uk to see what the framing would look like. You can upload your pictures then try out different framing. |
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by Charlesworth on Mar 25, 2022 9:22:05 GMT 1, you can upload the image on here and mock up frames
www.easyframe.co.uk/picture-frames
Can anyone who knows how do do an online frame mock up please throw a link or some tips in here? I want to have a dabble with print 2. Thank you. And good morning UAA!
you can upload the image on here and mock up frames www.easyframe.co.uk/picture-framesCan anyone who knows how do do an online frame mock up please throw a link or some tips in here? I want to have a dabble with print 2. Thank you. And good morning UAA! |
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by Yeah Yeah Yeah Round2 on Mar 25, 2022 15:32:49 GMT 1, you can upload the image on here and mock up frames www.easyframe.co.uk/picture-framesCan anyone who knows how do do an online frame mock up please throw a link or some tips in here? I want to have a dabble with print 2. Thank you. And good morning UAA!
BLESSED by the man himself
you can upload the image on here and mock up frames www.easyframe.co.uk/picture-framesCan anyone who knows how do do an online frame mock up please throw a link or some tips in here? I want to have a dabble with print 2. Thank you. And good morning UAA! BLESSED by the man himself |
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by jimbofatz on Mar 25, 2022 18:32:18 GMT 1, Has anyone found any 60cm x 60cm frames in North America online?
Seems like this is going to be a custom frame job.
Has anyone found any 60cm x 60cm frames in North America online?
Seems like this is going to be a custom frame job. |
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by thisisthesam on Mar 27, 2022 18:07:31 GMT 1, Is the deadline midnight tonight? Someone make the decision for me haha!
Is the deadline midnight tonight? Someone make the decision for me haha!
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by King Robbo Lives on Mar 29, 2022 2:49:30 GMT 1, Did somebody pull a Bait & Switch on me, because I could've sworn I joined an Art Forum and not a Politics Forum. I just wanted to find out more info about 3D's art work and the 2 timed prints and see what people thought about them...my bad.
βBanksyβ
The basis of this forums primary attention,
Most of βhisβ work is based on anti-war propaganda
Donβt be shocked to see political βdiscussionβ
Albeit, this thread became derailed with personal attacks
I think itβs valuable to analyze these works against the current political climate.
See 3Dβs βBeirutβ
Did somebody pull a Bait & Switch on me, because I could've sworn I joined an Art Forum and not a Politics Forum. I just wanted to find out more info about 3D's art work and the 2 timed prints and see what people thought about them...my bad. βBanksyβ The basis of this forums primary attention, Most of βhisβ work is based on anti-war propaganda Donβt be shocked to see political βdiscussionβ Albeit, this thread became derailed with personal attacks I think itβs valuable to analyze these works against the current political climate. See 3Dβs βBeirutβ |
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by pertikis on Mar 29, 2022 9:00:45 GMT 1, awesome!
awesome!
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by pertikis on Mar 29, 2022 9:06:00 GMT 1, I like both 3D prints but I ordered the first one.
I like both 3D prints but I ordered the first one.
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by ceriseris on Mar 29, 2022 9:20:05 GMT 1, Yeah that is awesome!
Yeah that is awesome!
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by thisisthesam on Mar 29, 2022 9:33:52 GMT 1, I went for the second. Last min dot com.
Both were lovely, but felt there was more to visually take in on the second.
I went for the second. Last min dot com.
Both were lovely, but felt there was more to visually take in on the second.
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by pauljones23 on Mar 29, 2022 13:38:15 GMT 1, think i might regret not buying one
think i might regret not buying one
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by Icesay on Mar 29, 2022 18:54:01 GMT 1, think i might regret not buying one
Don't worry some assholes will put on ebay to make a profit....absolute cu*ts.
think i might regret not buying one Don't worry some assholes will put on ebay to make a profit....absolute cu*ts. |
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Robert Del Naja π¬π§ 3D β’ Street Artist β’ Massive Attack , by Viennese on Mar 30, 2022 1:35:52 GMT 1, Has anyone found any 60cm x 60cm frames in North America online?
Seems like this is going to be a custom frame job.
I have lost so many nerves over this in the US! I donβt know how accurate the fraction calculations are but 60cm would be 23 5/8 in.
Pictureframes.com has that fraction (5/8) in their drop down menu. It would still be a custom frame but certainly cheaper than having it done at the framers and they seem to have good offers for new customers or/and flat rate shipping.
P.s. Just follow Irelandβs example and switch to the metric system already!
Has anyone found any 60cm x 60cm frames in North America online?
Seems like this is going to be a custom frame job. I have lost so many nerves over this in the US! I donβt know how accurate the fraction calculations are but 60cm would be 23 5/8 in. Pictureframes.com has that fraction (5/8) in their drop down menu. It would still be a custom frame but certainly cheaper than having it done at the framers and they seem to have good offers for new customers or/and flat rate shipping. P.s. Just follow Irelandβs example and switch to the metric system already! |
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