Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem

[Passion Art]

Agreed!! I'd love to see this.

[achtungbono]

bah

too many responses overnight - what I will do it copy and load it up here and you can print it off or whatever

cheers

[eschiff]

wicked, thanks! When i bought an older banksy a few months back the seller had the original receipt...was disheartening to see as the buyer!

[Deleted]

which version do you have - as there were several - one from when the show opened, another half way through, and then the final version towards the end. The price list was amended as more and more works were added later - partly due to works being caught up at customs in Israel and also works were created on the spot at the ghetto

[achtungbono]

opening I suppose

[Deleted]

it was a great trip nevertheless

[sal]

the idea to set this up in Bethlehem so people HAVE TO face the reality everyone loves having opinion about, is something I admire since I 1st heard of this...

[Deleted]

Feb 22, 2012 13:34:39 GMT 1 sal said:

the idea to set this up in Bethlehem so people HAVE TO face the reality everyone loves having opinion about, is something I admire since I 1st heard of this...

Indeed! Next SG in Iran or Syria for those same reasons would be nice!

[maadbeats]

Feb 22, 2012 14:16:43 GMT 1 jopkop said:

Feb 22, 2012 13:34:39 GMT 1 sal said:

the idea to set this up in Bethlehem so people HAVE TO face the reality everyone loves having opinion about, is something I admire since I 1st heard of this...

Indeed! Next SG in Iran or Syria for those same reasons would be nice!

no chance of any Americans making it to those two places. I would think the feelings would be mutual for the Brits.

[sal]

Feb 22, 2012 14:16:43 GMT 1 jopkop said:

Feb 22, 2012 13:34:39 GMT 1 sal said:

the idea to set this up in Bethlehem so people HAVE TO face the reality everyone loves having opinion about, is something I admire since I 1st heard of this...

Indeed! Next SG in Iran or Syria for those same reasons would be nice!

I see your point mate, but it's not the same situation there.. or even similar when you think of it... plus, as maadbeats said, those places are pretty much no access zones @ the moment...

sadly, there are other places in the world worth organizing similar events at (refugee camps, slums, working camps, landfills, amazon rain forest, etc)..

[lover]

I agree sal- Israel is a democratic country with an elected government surounded by neighbours that dont want her existence......

[rottenredrooster]

Feb 23, 2012 16:07:30 GMT 1 lover said:

I agree sal- Israel is a democratic country with an elected government surounded by neighbours that dont want her existence......

Just because Britain and the U.S. along with there colonial stooges support the occupation doesn't make it right.

It think it is fair to say that the Israeli government have inflicted far more terror on to it's neighbours than they have on to 'her' as you put it.

Here's an example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

I guess the continued airstrikes and murdering by Israel is of course okay as long as they are 'democratic' in terms of election (thats debatable by the way).

[lover]

i could give you many examples on both sides> people got to realise that its not a 1 sided cause and certainly not a 1 sided solution.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1978-bus-attack01.jpg

[anodyne13]

I'll say this - - Governments with no clear separation of Church and State are generally sh*tty, and that is fundamently their own fault.

[boatyyy]

^one can argue that most govts have no clear separation of church & state... one can look at the US currency (In God We Trust) as a fundamental example; just food for thought..

[rottenredrooster]

Feb 24, 2012 0:14:24 GMT 1 lover said:

i could give you many examples on both sides> people got to realise that its not a 1 sided cause and certainly not a 1 sided solution.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1978-bus-attack01.jpg

Would have a case if zones were never illegally occupied. Unfortunately the terror inflicted on to the Palestinian people by both the Israeli's and lack of support from their Arab counterparts had to result in violent action as there is no other alternative.

The highlighting of the plight in Palestine by Banksy et al, from what I can see was to not expose this crap of two sides to every story but was to accentuate the plight of the Palestinian people.

[Deleted]

In regards to my previous comment: i would never consider holding a SG in either Syria or Iran at the moment... Although Iran is a very nice country to travel through as the people there are the most kind and open minded you will meet anywhere. Never forget these people live in a regime they do not support...

[Deleted]

Feb 24, 2012 1:19:32 GMT 1 rottenredrooster said:

Feb 24, 2012 0:14:24 GMT 1 lover said:

i could give you many examples on both sides> people got to realise that its not a 1 sided cause and certainly not a 1 sided solution.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1978-bus-attack01.jpg

Would have a case if zones were never illegally occupied. Unfortunately the terror inflicted on to the Palestinian people by both the Israeli's and lack of support from their Arab counterparts had to result in violent action as there is no other alternative.

The highlighting of the plight in Palestine by Banksy et al, from what I can see was to not expose this crap of two sides to every story but was to accentuate the plight of the Palestinian people.

Indeed. And what an eye opener it was, the hospitality shown by Palestinians was immeasurably more impressive than the teenagers armed with an attitude and semi automatic assault rifles just a "stones throw" away.

Here's a little montage of the trip

[eschiff]

think there's been some horrible things done on both sides...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre

[lover]

I sometimes wonder why most people in the UK blame Israel. Did they not give back Gaza a few years back? And did this not just give Hamas a greater area to fire rockets at Israel?

It is possible to make peace with a terrorist organisation thats manifesto says they will not stop the attack until Israel no longer exists?

Many questions- very difficult answers

[balibob]

^ most are neither pro either side, but as always, the more extreme the view, the more vocal. Its a bit like who can shout the loudest, or my dad's bigger than your dad.

[nacional]

and a scan of the pricelist please!!!!!

[balibob]

^well said.

[rottenredrooster]

Feb 24, 2012 12:49:44 GMT 1 balibob said:

^ most are neither pro either side, but as always, the more extreme the view, the more vocal. Its a bit like who can shout the loudest, or my dad's bigger than your dad.

Or perhaps it is important to highlight the hundreds of thousands that have been victim to the occupation.

[eschiff]

or the hundred and thousands that are under constant threat from the terror organisations that are based in palestine and supported by their neighbors.

[rottenredrooster]

Feb 24, 2012 13:11:04 GMT 1 eschiff said:

or the hundred and thousands that are under constant threat from the terror organisations that are based in palestine and supported by their neighbors.

Depends what you define as a terror organisation.

Like I said before, I'm sure Banksy et al didn't go there to highlight the supposed suffering of the Israeli people. They went to Palestine, to protest against the illegal wall put their by the Israelis and the constant harassment and murder by the Israelis of the Palestinian people.

It is extremely odd, for a person to collect urban art which is generally anti-establishment and then vow their support for murderous political machines. I don't see any art by street artists supporting Israel, Britain, the U.S.

At the end of the day, if occupations were happening around the world then these organisations which you proclaim to be 'terrorists' wouldn't exist and if they did you might actually have some ground with your argument.

This argument about their neighbours supporting them is absolute bollocks. Egypt traded with Israel and closed the border, all of the neighbouring Arab countries while they may not like Israel, certainly don't help their Palestinian brothers as much as the could.

[eschiff]

must be nice to ignore facts www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2002/9/Iran%20and%20Syria%20as%20Strategic%20Support%20for%20Palestinia

[rottenredrooster]

Feb 24, 2012 13:29:55 GMT 1 eschiff said:

must be nice to ignore facts www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2002/9/Iran%20and%20Syria%20as%20Strategic%20Support%20for%20Palestinia

If you want to examine facts...

Israel supplied arms to support apartheid. The also sold weapons to Loyalist death squads.

Also interesting that you got your facts from the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Syria has murdered Palestinian refugees.

Quite frankly I think it is a case of what 'King' Fahd, propped up by the British said:

"Next To Jews, We Hate Palestinians The Most"

[balibob]

^ Facts from the man that on his previous rant that said Gandhi supported violence and murder. Can we have a look at the pice list please before this thread gets locked.

[rottenredrooster]

Feb 24, 2012 13:56:25 GMT 1 balibob said:

^ Facts from the man that on his previous rant that said Gandhi supported violence and murder. Can we have a look at the pice list please before this thread gets locked.

Yes, anyway you're right lets get on with the art talk.