[sommguy]

I am not an expert by any means. Sorry. i won't even begin to imagine. the car clamp, didn't make sense to me as being real. the stencil was really clean and fresh. and the name stamp was not placed in a left to right or "b" on the bottom, to the right on the subject matter... the name stamp stencil was placed right to left. it looked odd. but who knows...

it is a cool thing to do, if Banksy did in fact make that. walking down the street to go hit a wall, and come a sorry chap with a boot on his car. "never fear" spray stencil the boot and get out of jail free, or break the law and remove and sell, and pay the fine and the car off! lol

[Deleted]

Jul 1, 2014 5:33:17 GMT 1 sommguy said:

I am not an expert by any means. Sorry. i won't even begin to imagine. the car clamp, didn't make sense to me as being real. the stencil was really clean and fresh. and the name stamp was not placed in a left to right or "b" on the bottom, to the right on the subject matter... the name stamp stencil was placed right to left. it looked odd. but who knows...

it is a cool thing to do, if Banksy did in fact make that. walking down the street to go hit a wall, and come a sorry chap with a boot on his car. "never fear" spray stencil the boot and get out of jail free, or break the law and remove and sell, and pay the fine and the car off! lol

LOL, I get what you mean. Im no expert myself but the clamp there looked a little (?) like this one that was on ebay a while back (seller since removed pic, image saved from Google).

Ebay one on left / Juliens on right.



www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VERY-RARE-Original-BANKSY-gangsta-rat-wheel-clamp-Reclaimed-street-art-/251259710920?nma=true&si=WxH0NnC%252Fjw1JSQJNPP5LGo%252BOEp0%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

[Dr Plip]

Jul 1, 2014 9:53:41 GMT 1 @wizbong said:

Jul 1, 2014 5:33:17 GMT 1 sommguy said:

LOL, I get what you mean. Im no expert myself but the clamp there looked a little (?) like this one that was on ebay a while back (seller since removed pic, image saved from Google).



www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VERY-RARE-Original-BANKSY-gangsta-rat-wheel-clamp-Reclaimed-street-art-/251259710920?nma=true&si=WxH0NnC%252Fjw1JSQJNPP5LGo%252BOEp0%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

I thought I'd seen it on eBay before. One clamp looks like another though.

Someone had a good result with that one. I'm surprised a few more haven't appeared on eBay.

[Deleted]

wonder if the buyer researched it aftersale?.

[sommguy]

not sure.. but i do know that if this auction is to tell the future. its a good thing. because people are not going to blow big money on a stolen public art piece. so hopefully people won't step them anymore. none paid over 40k for a piece at that auction. too much money for uninsurable art.... NO COA no real value, right?  in banking and insurance terms...  the art is still worth whatever you'll pay, i guess.

[Deleted]

They just keep on coming though, the Lyon and Turnbull fiasco a few years back flopped but people seem to  forget.

[Deleted]

[sommguy]

I went to juliennes last week. I live near by... the clamp was gone. already picked up. The rapper rat looked zoo good to me.... It made me wonder. looked legit. down to the fuzzy non clean line stripe on the sleeve like an adidas jacket. it looked like a real piece from the street, to me...

[Deleted]

Those clamps have the exact same wear. Wow. Only buy with COA.

[Traumax]

Hi Guys,

I know that some of you told about it in few topics but i wanted to create one to denounce and pledge people.

I have contacted Invader by email and he told me that lots 27-28-29 and 148 are stolen from the street and probably reconstituted with new tiles.

It's the same things with Banksy and Blek.

www.julienslive.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/160/?page=1&key=Invader+&cat=&xclosed=no

[Deleted]

I am more concerned about the stolen Bambi

[Matt]

Sept 17, 2015 16:49:17 GMT 1 @ballaoo said:

I am more concerned about the stolen Bambi

On the other side, surely someone who removes her work from the street is doing art a favor ?

[Poly Mindset]

Sept 17, 2015 16:32:18 GMT 1 Traumax said:

Hi Guys,

I know that some of you told about it in few topics but i wanted to create one to denounce and pledge people.

I have contacted Invader by email and he told me that lots 27-28-29 and 148 are stolen from the street and probably reconstituted with new tiles.

It's the same things with Banksy and Blek.

www.julienslive.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/160/?page=1&key=Invader+&cat=&xclosed=no

Lot #29 now has a bid of $70k, that's some good thievery. I know it's wrong but I'm a little jealous.

[Traumax]

I hope the buyer is aware what exactly is buying

[rebelate]

Good looking out. I'm planning on making a trip out there and bidding on some non-banksy and non-invader pieces:)

[rebelate]

P.S. to be 100% honest I would totally buy this instead of one of those VIP AP/weird color variation prints we see pop up now and again. It would be pretty easy to prove that it was the real deal and not care about a PC being issued or not. It's a great piece IMO...

SPERM

[RolexDave]

Anyone managed to get the results?

[rebelate]

Oct 1, 2015 7:12:15 GMT 1 RolexDave said:

Anyone managed to get the results?

Yeah I wrote down most in the booklet while in attendance but I left it in my car.  If anyone wants to know anything specific let me know.

Couple notes to be made...

The Flying copper was in bad shape.  It was obviously restored in a humidifier/flattening process to the point where the black on the copper itself was so damn faded it looked like it was almost grey in person.  It could have also been a combination of sun damage.  It really makes me second think if I'd ever buy something off of an online auction without actually seeing the print in person. 

The IFTL was dry mounted. 

Bidders, with an exception of a few, were really out of the loop on everything.  It was like the blind leading the blind.  The bomb hugger on cardboard sold for 18500 + buyer fees + taxes.  That guy seemed like the only other person in the room that looked like he knew a thing or two about street art.  The rest were almost clueless. 

When the auctioneer is repeatedly misreading "Shepard Fairey" for "Shepard Farely" you know you're in for fun ride.

[djvlnt]

Results live here:
www.julienslive.com/view-auctions/live-sale/id/160/

[Happy Shopper]

That Bomb Hugger looks weird though doesn't it? Is that real? No PC COA I assume.

This auction was on BBC News this morning... saying that the low prices reached for the "originals" (street pieces with no COA!) could signal the end of Banksy. Stupid.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34409779

[Deleted]

Oct 1, 2015 12:00:10 GMT 1 Happy Shopper said:

That Bomb Hugger looks weird though doesn't it? Is that real? No PC COA I assume.

This auction was on BBC News this morning... saying that the low prices reached for the "originals" (street pieces with no COA!) could signal the end of Banksy. Stupid.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34409779

I was at this auction last night. I was really surprised most items went below the estimates. I don't agree with what that news article says, I think julien's auction is not the greatest auction house to list street art as they are known for more rock and roll, estates, and celebrity memorabilia. So I think it was a fluke on some pieces and it was a great opportunity to get street art at reasonable prices. For Banksy artwork I personally would not consign with Julian's auctions; if I were to consign it would be with a reputable auction house in London. 

In in terms of the bomb hugger being real, Julian's auction is an extremely reputable auction house and they guarantee its authenticity and it came with excellent provenance. And yes, no pest control because it was not for sale to the public so they will not authenticate it. 

I hope what I said helps and this is all my own opinion on the art market and Julian's Auctions. 

[rebelate]

Oct 1, 2015 12:00:10 GMT 1 Happy Shopper said:

That Bomb Hugger looks weird though doesn't it? Is that real? No PC COA I assume.

This auction was on BBC News this morning... saying that the low prices reached for the "originals" (street pieces with no COA!) could signal the end of Banksy. Stupid.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34409779

I personally went to bid on the bomb hugger, FC, IFTL, Gangster rat.  But honestly after seeing the condition of the Flying copper that was already at 8500USD and then finding out the IFTL was was dry mounted.  Then when I asked questions regarding the Gangster Rat's framing/condition and getting answers like "It looks perfect".  It turned me off to the whole show.  Regarding the Bomb Hugger, I'm not quiet sure.  When I asked for provenance or origin one of the girls behind the online bidding computers basically opened up the auction booklet and read me the few lines below the photo. Then another representative stepped in and said something about the original owner having a photo with it? I'm not sure but by then I had mentally checked out of the whole show and just stuck around to see what would go down.

If I'm spending $$$ I need to make sure I'm dealing with a competent and knowledgable group of individuals.   I didn't see that there.  Even the guy who bought up a 1/4 of last night's lot had no rhyme or reason. I would spend $1K on that banksy brick...there's no way anyone can prove that that is the real deal to me, yet the same guy picked that up, the huge wall for over 100K, then a dry mounted IFTL... Whoa SMH

[met]

Oct 1, 2015 17:40:01 GMT 1 @banksyenthusiast said:

Oct 1, 2015 12:00:10 GMT 1 Happy Shopper said:

That Bomb Hugger looks weird though doesn't it? Is that real? No PC COA I assume.

This auction was on BBC News this morning... saying that the low prices reached for the "originals" (street pieces with no COA!) could signal the end of Banksy. Stupid.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34409779

I was at this auction last night. I was really surprised most items went below the estimates. I don't agree with what that news article says, I think julien's auction is not the greatest auction house to list street art as they are known for more rock and roll, estates, and celebrity memorabilia. So I think it was a fluke on some pieces and it was a great opportunity to get street art at reasonable prices. For Banksy artwork I personally would not consign with Julian's auctions; if I were to consign it would be with a reputable auction house in London. 

In in terms of the bomb hugger being real, Julian's auction is an extremely reputable auction house and they guarantee its authenticity and it came with excellent provenance. And yes, no pest control because it was not for sale to the public so they will not authenticate it. 

I hope what I said helps and this is all my own opinion on the art market and Julian's Auctions. 

Although it's ungracious of me to say, that auctioneer in the BBC clip comes across as a buffoon.

Julien's Auctions has history for incompetence or recklessness when it comes to due diligence on provenance for works purported to be by Banksy. They also clearly sell street pieces, and thus happily disregard the need for official authentication. One can only pity their buyers — swayed by offices in Beverly Hills, expensive suits, and a sales patter consisting simply of what wishful thinkers want to hear. I mentioned something similar last year in this post.

For all of the first and second tier auction houses dealing in Banksy art, a Pest Control certificate of authenticity is a prerequisite. It has to be because seasoned Banksy collectors demand COAs. The substantial body of Banksy's work is just too easy to counterfeit. That includes the Blowpop Records cardboard sleeve at Lot 40, which the average stencil-cutter could forge quite convincingly in a day. Even a large portion of novice collectors have sufficient wisdom to recognise this. 

Your reference to the auction house being "extremely reputable" therefore comes as a surprise to me. From my perspective, the reputation of Julien's Auctions is such that any Banksy-attributed piece consigned there (even if it happens to be genuine) is actually tainted by association. By this, I mean I'd be extra cautious of work whose history included a sale at the venue.

It's always worth keeping in mind that the fiduciary duty of an auction house is to the consignor/seller, not to the buyer.

With respect to the authenticity guarantee that you mentioned, I'm unconvinced. The TERMS OF GUARANTEE section of the website offers little practical comfort, given its restrictions, conditions and exclusions:

www.juliensauctions.com/terms.html

[Deleted]

Oct 1, 2015 11:51:19 GMT 1 djvlnt said:

Results live here:
www.julienslive.com/view-auctions/live-sale/id/160/

How can we see the results without registering (and entering credit card info) ??

[Happy Shopper]

Oct 1, 2015 17:40:01 GMT 1 @banksyenthusiast said:

Oct 1, 2015 12:00:10 GMT 1 Happy Shopper said:

That Bomb Hugger looks weird though doesn't it? Is that real? No PC COA I assume.

This auction was on BBC News this morning... saying that the low prices reached for the "originals" (street pieces with no COA!) could signal the end of Banksy. Stupid.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34409779

I was at this auction last night. I was really surprised most items went below the estimates....

Prices were low because these are street works with no COA and loose provenance.
They hardly ever even sell at auction (even if sometimes dodgy auctions pretend they do)

[met]

Sept 30, 2015 23:27:54 GMT 1 rebelate said:

P.S. to be 100% honest I would totally buy this instead of one of those VIP AP/weird color variation prints we see pop up now and again. It would be pretty easy to prove that it was the real deal and not care about a PC being issued or not. It's a great piece IMO...

SPERM

Does anyone know who consigned Sperm Alarm?

The provenance in the above link is described as follows:

PROVENANCE
Hesperia Hotel, London
Private Collection, London
Acquired from the above by present owner

I recall the original theft in 2011 from the Hesperia London Victoria Hotel (now DoubleTree by Hilton), Leon Lawrence being convicted in 2012 of attempting to convert criminal property, and the press at the time stating the artwork was never recovered.

However, the piece showed up as part of the Sincura Group Stealing Banksy? selling show in London last year.

What I'm curious about is whether the hotel property owners were approached after the artwork magically reappeared. I assume the property owners were contacted and some agreement was reached. But, if not, then presumably they may still have a legal title claim.

[Peter Bengtsen]

Oct 6, 2015 4:33:47 GMT 1 met said:

Sept 30, 2015 23:27:54 GMT 1 rebelate said:

P.S. to be 100% honest I would totally buy this instead of one of those VIP AP/weird color variation prints we see pop up now and again. It would be pretty easy to prove that it was the real deal and not care about a PC being issued or not. It's a great piece IMO...

SPERM

Does anyone know who consigned Sperm Alarm?

The provenance in the above link is described as follows:

PROVENANCE
Hesperia Hotel, London
Private Collection, London
Acquired from the above by present owner

I recall the original theft in 2011 from the Hesperia London Victoria Hotel (now DoubleTree by Hilton), Leon Lawrence being convicted in 2012 of attempting to convert criminal property, and the press at the time stating the artwork was never recovered.

However, the piece showed up as part of the Sincura Group Stealing Banksy? selling show in London last year.

What I'm curious about is whether the hotel property owners were approached after the artwork magically reappeared. I assume the property owners were contacted and some agreement was reached. But, if not, then presumably they may still have a legal title claim.

Sincura claims that they have resolved the legal matter. This is what was written about the work in the Banksy Bugle (the newspaper/catalogue for Stealing Banksy?):

[FЯ]

Oct 6, 2015 7:33:40 GMT 1 Peter Bengtsen said:

Oct 6, 2015 4:33:47 GMT 1 met said:

Does anyone know who consigned Sperm Alarm?

The provenance in the above link is described as follows:

PROVENANCE
Hesperia Hotel, London
Private Collection, London
Acquired from the above by present owner

I recall the original theft in 2011 from the Hesperia London Victoria Hotel (now DoubleTree by Hilton), Leon Lawrence being convicted in 2012 of attempting to convert criminal property, and the press at the time stating the artwork was never recovered.

However, the piece showed up as part of the Sincura Group Stealing Banksy? selling show in London last year.

What I'm curious about is whether the hotel property owners were approached after the artwork magically reappeared. I assume the property owners were contacted and some agreement was reached. But, if not, then presumably they may still have a legal title claim.

Sincura claims that they have resolved the legal matter. This is what was written about the work in the Banksy Bugle (the newspaper/catalogue for Stealing Banksy?):

Andrew Lamberty.

[Daniel Silk]

www.juliensauctions.com/auctions/index.html

www.juliensauctions.com/auctions/2016/street-art2/index.html



On Saturday, April 30th 2016, Julien’s Auctions will host its biannual Street & Contemporary Art auction featuring extraordinary highlights from the world’s most sought after street artists including anonymous graffiti artist Banksy, whose identity was recently revealed by scientists by using a modeling technique. The Banksy artwork collection is a featured highlight in the upcoming Street & Contemporary Art Auction taking place on Saturday, April 30th, 2016 at Julien’s Auctions Los Angeles gallery and will feature over 200 lots.

The extraordinary Banksy artwork collection, estimated to sell for over $500,000, includes “Happy Choppers” (2002) (Estimate: $100,000-$150,000), an original aerosol stencil of armed military helicopters dressed with a pink bow created in London’s Whitecross Street Market; Banksy “I Heart Boys” (2005) (Estimate: $80,000-$120,000), a large-scale original mural depicting a boy playfully using a paint brush to paint a heart image on a now detached wall of a London residency; Banksy “Bomb Love” (2003) (Estimate: $25,000-$30,000) depicting a young girl hugging a bomb; Banksy “Nola” (2009) (Estimate: $25,000-30,000), a signed two-color hand pulled screen print of a girl holding an umbrella with the rain mysteriously falling from inside it, an image Banksy famously used in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina; Banksy “Morons” (2006) (Estimate: $20,000-$25,000); a signed artist proof acquired directly from the artist; Banksy “Crazy Horse” (2013) (Estimate: $60,000-$80,000); stenciled car door installation in New York’s Lower East Side during his 2013 New York City month long residency; Banksy “Stop and Search” (2007) (Estimate: $8,000-$10,000); and Banksy “Toxic Mary” (2004) (Estimate: $4,000-$6,000).

The auction will also feature a significant collection of over 30 works by the iconic street artist Shepard Fairey, including an HPM silkscreen and mixed media collage signed, dated and titled “Obey 95” (2005) (Estimate: $16,000-$18,000) as well as “Walk The Line” (2005) (Estimate: $25,000-35,000) an original work on canvas. Other highlights include an Invader “One Space” (2005) (Estimate: $35,000-45,000), a vintage pixelated Space Invader figure made of glass mosaic tiles, signed, titled and dated; a RETNA “El Salvador” (2014) (Estimate: $2,000-$4,000); a complete set of Damien Hirst Spin Paintings (Estimate: $3,000-$5,000 each); and artworks from a private collection direct from the renowned Los Angeles Street Art gallery LAB ART, which was responsible for launching the careers of some of Los Angeles’s most notorious street artists including Alec Monopoly, KAI, DOC, Gregory Siff, Mar and many others.

The Street & Contemporary Art Auction at Julien’s Auctions will also include “The Modern Multiples Collection,” the preeminent fine art printmaking studio founded by Richard Durato (1952-2014), who ran the Los Angeles based venue for over 30 years, printing work for artists like Banksy. This collection features works which include Gregory Siff's “Goodface” (Estimate: $3,000-$5,000); Becca “Ride or Die” (Estimate: $3,000-$5,000); Pose “Rumble” (Estimate: $4,000-$6,000); and iconic prints created at the studio by artists Shepard Fairey, Ron English, Chaz Bojorquez, Futura and Saber.

Contemporary works by Jeff Koons, Keith Haring, Yayoi Kusama, Andy Warhol, Basquiat, Robert Rauschenberg and influential urban artists such as Ben Eine, Rene Gagnon, Zevs, D*Face, Faile, Kaws, Ludo, Dolk, Saber, Nick Walker, Hush, Paul Insect and many more will also be highlighted in this premier auction event.

[Daniel Silk]

"Banksy Under the Hammer: Works of UK graffiti artist Banksy expected to fetch USD 500,000 at auction"