[Con Art Studio]

Dec 29, 2015 22:02:29 GMT 1 11 said:

This was kicking around a few months ago - I thought Jo Brooks denied any involvement.
It looks like they were being very loose with the statement and the word 'official' was more that the image was 'officially Banksy' as opposed to Fake or someone else.

the problem i have is in the description where it says "official Banksy piece"... it is an "official piece inspired by a banksy image" but it is definitely NOT an "official Banksy piece"

[Deleted]

Dec 29, 2015 22:36:34 GMT 1 Con Art Studio said:

Dec 29, 2015 22:02:29 GMT 1 11 said:

This was kicking around a few months ago - I thought Jo Brooks denied any involvement.
It looks like they were being very loose with the statement and the word 'official' was more that the image was 'officially Banksy' as opposed to Fake or someone else.

the problem i have is in the description where it says "official Banksy piece"... it is an "official piece inspired by a banksy image" but it is definitely NOT an "official Banksy piece"

Good paper weight that's about it .....

[jayTown]

Officially unofficial.

[Cornish Crayon]

I'd have one for £30, not for $699 tho......... Nah fanks

[yoyosh]

Haven't we been thru this already? Absolutely not "official"

[Fake]

I have to say this is the best looking one i have seen so far... All the others looked like the shit in the Banksy tattoo thread...

[Deleted]

Toy Tokyo.

'No details are given, considering the fact that everyone should already be aware of how secretive Banksy is...not even sure if he ever signs anything anyway. But, everyone should take into consideration that Medicom is pretty legit when it comes to licensing, etc...so they're not going to blatantly rip off a world renowned artist'.

[docean]

Banksy or not (clearly not) I'm not paying $699

Looks awesome, but my bank account would not.

[Rubys]

urbanartassociation.com/thread/131136/meets-medicom-unveil-banksy-collaboration?page=1#scrollTo=1393013

[Black Apple Art]

Wording is very strange. To be "officially licensed" they would have to have an agreement with the license holder. Also like how they word the edition as "extremely limited" but are taking pre-orders for a week and obviously manufacturing to fulfill those orders. Nicely detailed piece though.

[solidity]

If you buy it directly from medicom, it's "only" 400$ (without shipping costs).
And for the license questions, wasn't it written on banksy's site that he would never complaint for items sold as official banksy ? so toytokyo could say what they want...

[Fake]

Would banksy make a statment it is not licenced? He did make a statement about the BNE debacle

[Tommy Tucker]

This is a tricky one isn't it? Unlikely Banksy to say anything until the sale has ended to add more mystique. It looks great but if it isn't official then it is being mis-sold which isn't cool.

[saucyjack]

Dec 30, 2015 12:44:43 GMT 1 Fake said:

Would banksy make a statment it is not licenced? He did make a statement about the BNE debacle

I suspect Banksy will not make a statement on these.

Buyer beware... just like BNE.

[Deleted]

 He does not need to get out of his bed............



'Medicom has got permission in England from the license holder "Full Colour Black Ltd , "
to produce these pieces

thank you

Sales @ Toy Tokyo

www.fullcolourblack.com/

[Coach]

Dec 30, 2015 16:43:16 GMT 1 LonelyFarmer said:

 He does not need to get out of his bed............



'Medicom has got permission in England from the license holder "Full Colour Black Ltd , "
to produce these pieces

thank you

Sales @ Toy Tokyo

www.fullcolourblack.com/

Who are they, to give permission?
I don't get it.

[saucyjack]

Banksy don't care.

[Coach]

Dec 30, 2015 17:04:40 GMT 1 saucyjack said:

Banksy don't care.

I imagine that you are right.

[Tommy Tucker]

But what if?

[met]

Dec 30, 2015 17:22:53 GMT 1 Coach said:

Dec 30, 2015 17:04:40 GMT 1 saucyjack said:

Banksy don't care.

I imagine that you are right.

Knockoffs and other intellectual property infringements are one thing. But if a non-authorised, unofficial product is being marketed as "official", then (despite any carefully deceptive wording) we're also in the territory of misrepresentation or outright fraud. 

It's a question of degree and, in such a case, I imagine Banksy would care.

What it probably comes down to is having to choose one's battles. No doubt his team is already fighting on multiple fronts as it is, exhausting resources which could otherwise be applied towards creative endeavours. My guesstimate is that a few lifetimes (and a few lifetimes' worth of employee wages) could theoretically be spent just chasing after all the crap listed as "Banksy" on eBay.

[saucyjack]

Dec 30, 2015 18:39:50 GMT 1 met said:

Dec 30, 2015 17:22:53 GMT 1 Coach said:

I imagine that you are right.

Knockoffs and other intellectual property infringements are one thing. But if a non-authorised, unofficial product is being marketed as "official", then (despite any carefully deceptive wording) we're also in the territory of misrepresentation or outright fraud. 

It's a question of degree and, in such a case, I imagine Banksy would care.

What it probably comes down to is having to choose one's battles. No doubt his team is already fighting on multiple fronts as it is, exhausting resources which could otherwise be applied towards creative endeavours. My guesstimate is that a few lifetimes (and a few lifetimes' worth of employee wages) could theoretically be spent just chasing after all the crap listed as "Banksy" on eBay.

Mark my words, Met.  Banksy will not do anything to block this release. I am sure Banksy is already aware of it.

Can you think of a time when Banksy proactively went after any entity or person in regards to violating his intellectual property? I'd like to know why you used the words "no doubt." That would mean you know about a time the Banksy team (I assume you mean legal team) went after someone or group of people.

BNE aside... That was something else and in actuality Banksy did nothing to stop or go after them later, only changed the website for a bit.

[Fake]

I know at least one lawyer that works for Banksy in Lalaland.... So why would he need one in LA?

[saucyjack]

Certainly not go after the people all over the city selling knock off canvases, t-shirts and other misc. tat.

Banksy would want the services of an attorney for a variety of reasons: a Property Attorney (securing the space for the 2006's Barely Legal show), an Entertainment Attorney (for use in The Simpsons or ETTGS), or any other myriad of things.

Is your contact an attorney whose specialization is intellectual property or copyright?

Can you think of a specific time when you've read about a proactive attempt by Banksy to stop a case of potential copyright infringement?

[Deleted]

I love this , Penguins are lovely.

[saucyjack]

Dec 30, 2015 20:13:39 GMT 1 LonelyFarmer said:

I love this , Penguins are lovely.

Too bad they can't fly. It's a good thing they can swim. Bad flooding in St. Louis, even worse coming.

[strongsauzej]

cjmart.jp/en/products/detail.php?product_id=2757

F toytokyo for the markup

[Tommy Tucker]

As if the first site is charging almost double. Naughty...

[thomasmer]

Who would buy this tat anyway? What a horrible piece of vomit, buy a Ken doll and dress him up.

Sad end to street art

[saucyjack]

Street art will never die. This current trend of the commoditization of street art certain will. I'd argue that it was already in it's last days, before this little souvenir was announced.

I imagine that makes those little flashing boxes at the top of this page nervous. Though I bet they'd deny it and claim business has never been better.

[Hairbland]

Dec 31, 2015 11:58:23 GMT 1 thomasmer said:

Who would buy this tat anyway? What a horrible piece of vomit, buy a Ken doll and dress him up.

Sad end to street art

Not sure if it's an end to "urban art", as Medicom worked earlier with KAWS on a number of pieces including his Accomplices.  

To some a toy, to others a piece of Banksy...and to others a potentially fine investment with a better turnaround than most other financial investments.  The KAWS Accomplice originally sold for approximately $100-$200 dollars, I bought one from someone mid-2010 for $500 and sold it last year for $1,500.  In all likelihood this Banksy piece will be a nice investment that could fuel other purchases over time - history has already proven this with Medicom and KAWS.

As to Toy Tokyo, I live in Brooklyn and am well-familiar with them, while a fun store they have always charged the highest prices with at times absurd markups, however they've managed to stay in business while many similar have failed.  Smart shoppers, who are not the world's majority, can easily find better prices elsewhere. 

And yes this post is about "the financial", but as it is an object, not necessarily art.