mikehaspey
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SOLD , by mikehaspey on Dec 23, 2015 18:43:12 GMT 1, Selling my VLH backdoor print which I've had for quite a while and has been framed on the wall. It's now unframed and can come with or without the frame. Backdoor so of course no number or signature, as with most backdoors not in mint condition - has a couple of creases running across the lower white section, some damage along the top edge and a crease across the top right corner. Still a presentable piece, looks great framed up as the creases in the white are near impossible to spot. Damage to the top edge is of course framed out as is most of the corner crease. Certainly one of the rarer backdoors. I'm open to offers on this, had a major shift around and it won't be going back on the wall so if interested please get in touch. Pics below, first pic has shadows on it they're not marks as can be seen in other pics. Tried to upload pics of the top edge / corner but photobucket is not playing at the moment. I'll add them when I can.
Cheers
Selling my VLH backdoor print which I've had for quite a while and has been framed on the wall. It's now unframed and can come with or without the frame. Backdoor so of course no number or signature, as with most backdoors not in mint condition - has a couple of creases running across the lower white section, some damage along the top edge and a crease across the top right corner. Still a presentable piece, looks great framed up as the creases in the white are near impossible to spot. Damage to the top edge is of course framed out as is most of the corner crease. Certainly one of the rarer backdoors. I'm open to offers on this, had a major shift around and it won't be going back on the wall so if interested please get in touch. Pics below, first pic has shadows on it they're not marks as can be seen in other pics. Tried to upload pics of the top edge / corner but photobucket is not playing at the moment. I'll add them when I can. Cheers
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craigf
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Dec 23, 2015 19:33:38 GMT 1
SOLD , by craigf on Dec 23, 2015 19:33:38 GMT 1, There are a lot fewer VLH backdoors out there, but they were still being printed in Brum at that point
There are a lot fewer VLH backdoors out there, but they were still being printed in Brum at that point
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mikehaspey
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Dec 23, 2015 19:35:37 GMT 1
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SOLD , by mikehaspey on Dec 23, 2015 19:35:37 GMT 1, There are a lot fewer VLH backdoors out there, but they were still being printed in Brum at that point
Ah ok, I thought they had moved to POW by then. My bad edited the post
There are a lot fewer VLH backdoors out there, but they were still being printed in Brum at that point Ah ok, I thought they had moved to POW by then. My bad edited the post
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Sundowner
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SOLD , by Sundowner on Dec 23, 2015 19:43:15 GMT 1, Can you confirm if this is the regular size print rather than the larger size.
Can you confirm if this is the regular size print rather than the larger size.
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mikehaspey
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Dec 23, 2015 19:45:04 GMT 1
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SOLD , by mikehaspey on Dec 23, 2015 19:45:04 GMT 1, Can you confirm if this is the regular size print rather than the larger size.
Yes regular size, same as the edition
Can you confirm if this is the regular size print rather than the larger size. Yes regular size, same as the edition
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Trevorm
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Dec 23, 2015 21:30:22 GMT 1
SOLD , by Trevorm on Dec 23, 2015 21:30:22 GMT 1, Yes regular size, same as the edition I prefer the larger bd, a bit more interesting Fair enough, but the creases and the the kind of lived in look make it more appealing. I didn't really appreciate this image before...... But this might just be the way to have 'the real thing' but without having to succumb to current prices
Yes regular size, same as the edition I prefer the larger bd, a bit more interesting Fair enough, but the creases and the the kind of lived in look make it more appealing. I didn't really appreciate this image before...... But this might just be the way to have 'the real thing' but without having to succumb to current prices
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Imoy-San
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Dec 23, 2015 21:54:18 GMT 1
SOLD , by Imoy-San on Dec 23, 2015 21:54:18 GMT 1, Does lookie good. Sold mine a while back and miss that damn thing.
Does lookie good. Sold mine a while back and miss that damn thing.
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telecine
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Dec 24, 2015 14:35:41 GMT 1
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SOLD , by telecine on Dec 24, 2015 14:35:41 GMT 1, Swapped my small backdoor version for a proof sheet of tenners years back .. Great exchange obviously, but I still regret letting it go !! glwts
Swapped my small backdoor version for a proof sheet of tenners years back .. Great exchange obviously, but I still regret letting it go !! glwts
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docean
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Dec 24, 2015 18:56:37 GMT 1
SOLD , by docean on Dec 24, 2015 18:56:37 GMT 1, excuse my noob question here...what do you mean when you say the print is backdoor?
excuse my noob question here...what do you mean when you say the print is backdoor?
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Dec 24, 2015 19:06:45 GMT 1
SOLD , by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 19:06:45 GMT 1, excuse my noob question here...what do you mean when you say the print is backdoor? Backdoor = A print 'sold'/ left through the backdoor. Never ment to be leaving the printer. Outside of the edition, but on the same paper, same ink etc. Obviously no stamp and no signature.
excuse my noob question here...what do you mean when you say the print is backdoor? Backdoor = A print 'sold'/ left through the backdoor. Never ment to be leaving the printer. Outside of the edition, but on the same paper, same ink etc. Obviously no stamp and no signature.
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docean
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Dec 24, 2015 19:08:25 GMT 1
SOLD , by docean on Dec 24, 2015 19:08:25 GMT 1, so how can you tell it's real?
anyone could go to a print shop and make one unstamped
so how can you tell it's real?
anyone could go to a print shop and make one unstamped
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Dec 24, 2015 19:12:28 GMT 1
SOLD , by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 19:12:28 GMT 1, so how can you tell it's real? anyone could go to a print shop and make one unstamped Not the right place to get into this. Let mikehaspey sell his print mate, enough been written about it already.
Good luck with the sale Mike, sweet print!
so how can you tell it's real? anyone could go to a print shop and make one unstamped Not the right place to get into this. Let mikehaspey sell his print mate, enough been written about it already. Good luck with the sale Mike, sweet print!
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mikehaspey
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Dec 24, 2015 19:13:40 GMT 1
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SOLD , by mikehaspey on Dec 24, 2015 19:13:40 GMT 1, It's all about where / who they came from with these, I've had a few over the years and still have one framed on the wall. I don't know much about printing but I imagine there would be some effort involved in creating screens to make an exact replica from an original? If someone was going to all that effort I doubt they would move them on as backdoor as their value is quite low - very low compared to edition prints
It's all about where / who they came from with these, I've had a few over the years and still have one framed on the wall. I don't know much about printing but I imagine there would be some effort involved in creating screens to make an exact replica from an original? If someone was going to all that effort I doubt they would move them on as backdoor as their value is quite low - very low compared to edition prints
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Dec 24, 2015 19:14:50 GMT 1
SOLD , by Happy Go Lucky Chap on Dec 24, 2015 19:14:50 GMT 1, PMd a couple of days ago
PMd a couple of days ago
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mikehaspey
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SOLD , by mikehaspey on Dec 24, 2015 19:17:02 GMT 1,
Might have missed it mate, had lots to go through, I'll look now
Might have missed it mate, had lots to go through, I'll look now
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docean
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Dec 24, 2015 19:37:15 GMT 1
SOLD , by docean on Dec 24, 2015 19:37:15 GMT 1, It was just a simple question. I like the print so was trying to learn more before sending a PM
didn't mean to cause issues
It was just a simple question. I like the print so was trying to learn more before sending a PM
didn't mean to cause issues
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SOLD , by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 20:32:52 GMT 1, It was just a simple question. I like the print so was trying to learn more before sending a PM didn't mean to cause issues Not an issue at all! Great question in fact, but a sale thread is not really the place to discuss. Ask Mike to explain, a great guy and a great print. I hope you can work it out with him and buy a great print.
Merry Xmas!
Cheers
It was just a simple question. I like the print so was trying to learn more before sending a PM didn't mean to cause issues Not an issue at all! Great question in fact, but a sale thread is not really the place to discuss. Ask Mike to explain, a great guy and a great print. I hope you can work it out with him and buy a great print. Merry Xmas! Cheers
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met
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Dec 26, 2015 1:05:31 GMT 1
SOLD , by met on Dec 26, 2015 1:05:31 GMT 1, There are a lot fewer VLH backdoors out there, but they were still being printed in Brum at that point What is the source of your information?
There are a lot fewer VLH backdoors out there, but they were still being printed in Brum at that pointWhat is the source of your information?
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met
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SOLD , by met on Dec 26, 2015 1:21:30 GMT 1, so how can you tell it's real? anyone could go to a print shop and make one unstamped Not the right place to get into this. Let mikehaspey sell his print mate, enough been written about it already.Good luck with the sale Mike, sweet print! It was just a simple question. I like the print so was trying to learn more before sending a PM didn't mean to cause issues Not an issue at all! Great question in fact, but a sale thread is not really the place to discuss. Ask Mike to explain, a great guy and a great print. I hope you can work it out with him and buy a great print. Merry Xmas! Cheers
What are you on about?
A sale thread for a supposed backdoor print is precisely the right place to get into the risks of buying a backdoor print. These risks are significant and, for the benefit of newcomers, they should be emphasised in any thread in which the subject of backdoor prints arises.
The thing I find shameful is people like you trying to quash legitimate discussion on the very threads where it's most relevant, most likely to be seen by potential buyers, and therefore of greatest benefit to potential buyers.
It happens here far too often โ attempts to brush real issues under the carpet to prioritise the financial interests of one's forum buddies (who are almost inevitably sellers) over the interests of less knowledgeable and less experienced forum members (the unfortunate collectors most likely to get shafted).
If docean or other members have concerns about the genuineness of this print, then they should not be forced to search around elsewhere on this vast message board for some other thread (among close to 100,000 existing threads) covering backdoor prints generally.
so how can you tell it's real? anyone could go to a print shop and make one unstamped Not the right place to get into this. Let mikehaspey sell his print mate, enough been written about it already.Good luck with the sale Mike, sweet print! It was just a simple question. I like the print so was trying to learn more before sending a PM didn't mean to cause issues Not an issue at all! Great question in fact, but a sale thread is not really the place to discuss. Ask Mike to explain, a great guy and a great print. I hope you can work it out with him and buy a great print. Merry Xmas! Cheers What are you on about? A sale thread for a supposed backdoor print is precisely the right place to get into the risks of buying a backdoor print. These risks are significant and, for the benefit of newcomers, they should be emphasised in any thread in which the subject of backdoor prints arises. The thing I find shameful is people like you trying to quash legitimate discussion on the very threads where it's most relevant, most likely to be seen by potential buyers, and therefore of greatest benefit to potential buyers. It happens here far too often โ attempts to brush real issues under the carpet to prioritise the financial interests of one's forum buddies (who are almost inevitably sellers) over the interests of less knowledgeable and less experienced forum members (the unfortunate collectors most likely to get shafted). If docean or other members have concerns about the genuineness of this print, then they should not be forced to search around elsewhere on this vast message board for some other thread (among close to 100,000 existing threads) covering backdoor prints generally.
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met
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SOLD , by met on Dec 26, 2015 1:59:37 GMT 1, Not the right place to get into this. Let mikehaspey sell his print mate, enough been written about it already.Good luck with the sale Mike, sweet print! Not an issue at all! Great question in fact, but a sale thread is not really the place to discuss. Ask Mike to explain, a great guy and a great print. I hope you can work it out with him and buy a great print. Merry Xmas! Cheers What are you on about? A sale thread for a supposed backdoor print is precisely the right place to get into the risks of buying a backdoor print. These risks are significant and, for the benefit of newcomers, they should be emphasised in any thread in which the subject of backdoor prints arises. The thing I find shameful is people like you trying to quash legitimate discussion on the very threads where it's most relevant, most likely to be seen by potential buyers, and therefore of greatest benefit to potential buyers. It happens here far too often โ attempts to brush real issues under the carpet to prioritise the financial interests of one's forum buddies (who are almost inevitably sellers) over the interests of less knowledgeable and less experienced forum members (the unfortunate collectors most likely to get shafted). If docean or other members have concerns about the genuineness of this print, then they should not be forced to search around elsewhere on this vast message board for some other thread (among close to 100,000 existing threads) covering backdoor prints generally.
Anyone who's new here and considering a purchase must be made fully aware that, without a certificate of authenticity from Pest Control (which specifies a print's details, including its edition number), you have absolutely no guarantee that a print is a bona fide Banksy.
Believe me when I say I've seen more counterfeit Banksy prints in my time than I care to recall, and many were quite convincing โ in one case having fooled an embarrassed dealer. There are also plenty of members on this forum who've had the regrettable experience of purchasing counterfeits, sold to them with falsified provenance documentation before COAs were the norm. I've liaised with more than a dozen such members.
Frankly, most prints by Banksy are easy to fake. Rest assured as well that any capable screenprinter could produce near-identical duplicate screens from genuine prints.
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With the establishment of Pest Control in 2008 and the crucial safety net it offered, fraudsters in the Banksy market found it necessary to shift their focus. It became far more difficult for them to sell counterfeit signed and unsigned editioned prints. So they moved into the grey areas where Pest Control doesn't opine, as is the case with so-called backdoor prints โ either:
(i) churning out new ones to pass off as genuine backdoor prints; or
(ii) using up previously-printed stock which (if Pest Control had not disrupted that lucrative market through its COAs) might otherwise have been given fake embossed stamps, numbered, and offloaded as genuine editioned prints.
The profits are smaller when on-selling or producing counterfeit backdoor prints. However, because they're outside the realm which Pest Control sets for itself, the advantage for fraudsters is that no one with the requisite authority calls them out. This means there's little risk of getting caught, let alone going to prison. All you need is a suitably convincing backstory (real or fabricated), a gift of the gab, and a conspiracy of silence and complicity by other people here who really should know better.
And, hey, if you've also managed to find or to fake an email exchange with some ex-Mission Print or POW printer or one of their mates, then super. Conveniently, that very same email could be printed out repeatedly and re-used with other buyers โ to dump, say, 10, 20 or 50 more counterfeits onto the already seedy backdoor-print market.
When you have credulous buyers who desperately want to believe that a backstory is true, the efforts needed to con them are minimised, and the selling work is pretty much done for you.
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Consequently, those who consider dodginess to be an attractive feature should definitely look into backdoor prints.
A purchase will result in one of two outcomes:
1. Quite probably, you'll end up spending your money on a counterfeit, like the many novices or fools who buy colour photocopies of Di-Faced Tenner notes on eBay.
2. In the best-case scenario, you'll end up with a real, unofficial, non-authorised backdoor print โ deceitfully produced and released without the approval of either Pictures On Walls or Banksy. In other words, you'll end up with stolen property. It goes without saying that this raises certain ethical issues.
And of course the stolen property won't ever be authenticated by Pest Control. So the only comfort you'll have as to its genuineness will be a believable or not-so-believable tale that came from a thief. Or a story invented further down the line by some intermediary whose own moral flexibility allows them to handle and deal in stolen goods.
Presumably, they'll be like the kind of people who sell used smartphones or television sets outside of pubs. No doubt those chaps are also "true gents" and a good laugh as well.
Not the right place to get into this. Let mikehaspey sell his print mate, enough been written about it already.Good luck with the sale Mike, sweet print! Not an issue at all! Great question in fact, but a sale thread is not really the place to discuss. Ask Mike to explain, a great guy and a great print. I hope you can work it out with him and buy a great print. Merry Xmas! Cheers What are you on about? A sale thread for a supposed backdoor print is precisely the right place to get into the risks of buying a backdoor print. These risks are significant and, for the benefit of newcomers, they should be emphasised in any thread in which the subject of backdoor prints arises. The thing I find shameful is people like you trying to quash legitimate discussion on the very threads where it's most relevant, most likely to be seen by potential buyers, and therefore of greatest benefit to potential buyers. It happens here far too often โ attempts to brush real issues under the carpet to prioritise the financial interests of one's forum buddies (who are almost inevitably sellers) over the interests of less knowledgeable and less experienced forum members (the unfortunate collectors most likely to get shafted). If docean or other members have concerns about the genuineness of this print, then they should not be forced to search around elsewhere on this vast message board for some other thread (among close to 100,000 existing threads) covering backdoor prints generally. Anyone who's new here and considering a purchase must be made fully aware that, without a certificate of authenticity from Pest Control (which specifies a print's details, including its edition number), you have absolutely no guarantee that a print is a bona fide Banksy. Believe me when I say I've seen more counterfeit Banksy prints in my time than I care to recall, and many were quite convincing โ in one case having fooled an embarrassed dealer. There are also plenty of members on this forum who've had the regrettable experience of purchasing counterfeits, sold to them with falsified provenance documentation before COAs were the norm. I've liaised with more than a dozen such members. Frankly, most prints by Banksy are easy to fake. Rest assured as well that any capable screenprinter could produce near-identical duplicate screens from genuine prints. ------------ With the establishment of Pest Control in 2008 and the crucial safety net it offered, fraudsters in the Banksy market found it necessary to shift their focus. It became far more difficult for them to sell counterfeit signed and unsigned editioned prints. So they moved into the grey areas where Pest Control doesn't opine, as is the case with so-called backdoor prints โ either: (i) churning out new ones to pass off as genuine backdoor prints; or (ii) using up previously-printed stock which (if Pest Control had not disrupted that lucrative market through its COAs) might otherwise have been given fake embossed stamps, numbered, and offloaded as genuine editioned prints. The profits are smaller when on-selling or producing counterfeit backdoor prints. However, because they're outside the realm which Pest Control sets for itself, the advantage for fraudsters is that no one with the requisite authority calls them out. This means there's little risk of getting caught, let alone going to prison. All you need is a suitably convincing backstory (real or fabricated), a gift of the gab, and a conspiracy of silence and complicity by other people here who really should know better. And, hey, if you've also managed to find or to fake an email exchange with some ex-Mission Print or POW printer or one of their mates, then super. Conveniently, that very same email could be printed out repeatedly and re-used with other buyers โ to dump, say, 10, 20 or 50 more counterfeits onto the already seedy backdoor-print market. When you have credulous buyers who desperately want to believe that a backstory is true, the efforts needed to con them are minimised, and the selling work is pretty much done for you. ------------ Consequently, those who consider dodginess to be an attractive feature should definitely look into backdoor prints. A purchase will result in one of two outcomes: 1. Quite probably, you'll end up spending your money on a counterfeit, like the many novices or fools who buy colour photocopies of Di-Faced Tenner notes on eBay. 2. In the best-case scenario, you'll end up with a real, unofficial, non-authorised backdoor print โ deceitfully produced and released without the approval of either Pictures On Walls or Banksy. In other words, you'll end up with stolen property. It goes without saying that this raises certain ethical issues. And of course the stolen property won't ever be authenticated by Pest Control. So the only comfort you'll have as to its genuineness will be a believable or not-so-believable tale that came from a thief. Or a story invented further down the line by some intermediary whose own moral flexibility allows them to handle and deal in stolen goods. Presumably, they'll be like the kind of people who sell used smartphones or television sets outside of pubs. No doubt those chaps are also "true gents" and a good laugh as well.
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SOLD , by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 9:24:03 GMT 1, What are you on about? A sale thread for a supposed backdoor print is 1precisely the right place to get into the risks of buying a backdoor print. These risks are significant and, for the benefit of newcomers, they should be emphasised in any thread in which the subject of backdoor prints arises. The thing I find shameful is 2 people like you trying to quash legitimate discussion on the very threads where it's most relevant, most likely to be seen by potential buyers, and therefore of greatest benefit to potential buyers. It happens here far too often โ 3 attempts to brush real issues under the carpet to prioritise the financial interests of one's forum buddies (who are almost inevitably sellers) over the interests of less knowledgeable and less experienced forum members (the unfortunate collectors most likely to get shafted). If docean or other members 4 have concerns about the genuineness of this print, then they should not be forced to search around elsewhere on this vast message board for some other thread (among close to 100,000 existing threads) covering backdoor prints generally. 1 A sales thread is def not the right place to discuss what a backdoor print is.
2 You have a problem with me, than please discuss in PM also, no idea what your problem is with people like me? (What does that even mean?).
3 I wasn't brushing anything under the carpet, i even told docean it was a great question and he should ask Mike about the print.
4 He didn't, he was asking what a backdoor print was.
I think it is a bit silly to quote yourself, but you explanation on what backdoor prints are is quiet good, got to give you that. Why don't you write a separate thread with that information in it. So people can find that info in one place and don't need to search 100.000 threads.
And to finish off some simple copy-past rules and guidelines for your reading pleasure :
Posting and Sales Threads: 7. Forum Members should explore the forum and familiarise themselves with the wealth of information available to them and how it is structured. When creating new posts or threads members should do their best to place them in the correct Board or Thread. In order to maintain this structure and accessibility, Forum Staff reserve the right to move your Thread or Post to a more appropriate area if needed. - I don't think he searched the forum before asking the question, otherwise he would know what a backdoor print was.
8. Threads should remain on topic, if you wish to start a separate discussion then please raise another thread. Similarly, members should not make posts with the intention of provoking or aggravating other members or inciting members to cause issue or distress on the forum. - The topic is selling a print, there are many topics about what backdoor prints are themselves.
11. In Sales Threads; please respect the Original Posterโs valuation. Whilst you may believe you have a valid opinion on what a sensible market value is, another memberโs For Sale Thread is not the place to debate the matter. If you have a differing view you should refer to the Price Check section and debate the matter there. - I told him that it was a great question, but there has been written many topics on backdoor prints already.
I hope the new year will be without all the ranting and judging beforehand and i would like to take the time to wish you a Merry Xmas met
(And i think Mike needs a new proper sale thread, sorry for that.)
What are you on about? A sale thread for a supposed backdoor print is 1precisely the right place to get into the risks of buying a backdoor print. These risks are significant and, for the benefit of newcomers, they should be emphasised in any thread in which the subject of backdoor prints arises. The thing I find shameful is 2 people like you trying to quash legitimate discussion on the very threads where it's most relevant, most likely to be seen by potential buyers, and therefore of greatest benefit to potential buyers. It happens here far too often โ 3 attempts to brush real issues under the carpet to prioritise the financial interests of one's forum buddies (who are almost inevitably sellers) over the interests of less knowledgeable and less experienced forum members (the unfortunate collectors most likely to get shafted). If docean or other members 4 have concerns about the genuineness of this print, then they should not be forced to search around elsewhere on this vast message board for some other thread (among close to 100,000 existing threads) covering backdoor prints generally. 1 A sales thread is def not the right place to discuss what a backdoor print is. 2 You have a problem with me, than please discuss in PM also, no idea what your problem is with people like me? (What does that even mean?). 3 I wasn't brushing anything under the carpet, i even told docean it was a great question and he should ask Mike about the print. 4 He didn't, he was asking what a backdoor print was. I think it is a bit silly to quote yourself, but you explanation on what backdoor prints are is quiet good, got to give you that. Why don't you write a separate thread with that information in it. So people can find that info in one place and don't need to search 100.000 threads. And to finish off some simple copy-past rules and guidelines for your reading pleasure : Posting and Sales Threads: 7. Forum Members should explore the forum and familiarise themselves with the wealth of information available to them and how it is structured. When creating new posts or threads members should do their best to place them in the correct Board or Thread. In order to maintain this structure and accessibility, Forum Staff reserve the right to move your Thread or Post to a more appropriate area if needed. - I don't think he searched the forum before asking the question, otherwise he would know what a backdoor print was.8. Threads should remain on topic, if you wish to start a separate discussion then please raise another thread. Similarly, members should not make posts with the intention of provoking or aggravating other members or inciting members to cause issue or distress on the forum. - The topic is selling a print, there are many topics about what backdoor prints are themselves. 11. In Sales Threads; please respect the Original Posterโs valuation. Whilst you may believe you have a valid opinion on what a sensible market value is, another memberโs For Sale Thread is not the place to debate the matter. If you have a differing view you should refer to the Price Check section and debate the matter there. - I told him that it was a great question, but there has been written many topics on backdoor prints already.I hope the new year will be without all the ranting and judging beforehand and i would like to take the time to wish you a Merry Xmas met
(And i think Mike needs a new proper sale thread, sorry for that.)
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SOLD , by burgerman on Dec 26, 2015 9:31:07 GMT 1, You have devalued the print by at least 250 pounds just in one post met in my eyes.
You have devalued the print by at least 250 pounds just in one post met in my eyes.
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SOLD , by tab1 on Dec 26, 2015 10:24:27 GMT 1, You have devalued the print by at least 250 pounds just in one post met in my eyes.
Whats the price now then ?
You have devalued the print by at least 250 pounds just in one post met in my eyes. Whats the price now then ?
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Geezer Mate
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SOLD , by Geezer Mate on Dec 26, 2015 10:50:44 GMT 1, Can I have a photocopy for ยฃ1 please
Can I have a photocopy for ยฃ1 please
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Ruggs
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SOLD , by Ruggs on Dec 26, 2015 10:54:54 GMT 1, I know mikehapsey is a great guy to deal with and I 100% believe his VLH is a back door is what he says it is but I have to say met has posted some interesting and valuable information for any perspective buyer to be aware of. Not just this print but any you may have issues about. His comments are worthy of consideration before you commit to any Banksy purchase.
I know mikehapsey is a great guy to deal with and I 100% believe his VLH is a back door is what he says it is but I have to say met has posted some interesting and valuable information for any perspective buyer to be aware of. Not just this print but any you may have issues about. His comments are worthy of consideration before you commit to any Banksy purchase.
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craigf
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SOLD , by craigf on Dec 26, 2015 11:37:12 GMT 1, There are a lot fewer VLH backdoors out there, but they were still being printed in Brum at that pointWhat is the source of your information? The source is having been around at the time and speaking to the printers, is that good enough?
There are a lot fewer VLH backdoors out there, but they were still being printed in Brum at that pointWhat is the source of your information? The source is having been around at the time and speaking to the printers, is that good enough?
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iamzero
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SOLD , by iamzero on Dec 26, 2015 11:49:28 GMT 1, I reckon Met has addressed valid points. Love that VLH though.
I reckon Met has addressed valid points. Love that VLH though.
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chads007
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SOLD , by chads007 on Dec 26, 2015 11:56:57 GMT 1, His points are valid info to anyone new to these. As always, comes down to the individual to weigh up the information provided and make a decision whether or not to purchase and enjoy or not for what they are.
His points are valid info to anyone new to these. As always, comes down to the individual to weigh up the information provided and make a decision whether or not to purchase and enjoy or not for what they are.
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Dec 26, 2015 12:18:21 GMT 1
SOLD , by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 12:18:21 GMT 1, Another piece of worthless illegal illegitimate stolen tat not worth the paper it's printed on. Sadly, only ever sold on this board, a forum dedicated to the artist the work is stolen from. Odd hey, you'd think people would be against this sort of shameless & manipulative use of the forums members.
Merry Xmas !
Another piece of worthless illegal illegitimate stolen tat not worth the paper it's printed on. Sadly, only ever sold on this board, a forum dedicated to the artist the work is stolen from. Odd hey, you'd think people would be against this sort of shameless & manipulative use of the forums members.
Merry Xmas !
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mikehaspey
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SOLD , by mikehaspey on Dec 26, 2015 12:52:30 GMT 1, As always the old backdoor debate... I bought it from a reputable and well known forum member for a lot more than it has now sold for. Don't want to get started, it's all been said many times before on other threads. It's now sold anyway so thanks for all interest and all comments. Some good / valid points but these things do exist in the market and not only on this forum - I've seen them sold by at least 2 UK galleries... Merry Christmas.
As always the old backdoor debate... I bought it from a reputable and well known forum member for a lot more than it has now sold for. Don't want to get started, it's all been said many times before on other threads. It's now sold anyway so thanks for all interest and all comments. Some good / valid points but these things do exist in the market and not only on this forum - I've seen them sold by at least 2 UK galleries... Merry Christmas.
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