[chads007]

Suprised amoxicillin/alittle hasn't chimed in with their higher than thou spiel yet?

[WOOF]

Jun 24, 2015 0:05:16 GMT 1 chads007 said:

Suprised amoxicillin/alittle hasn't chimed in with their higher than thou spiel yet?

Wait - amoxicillin is alittle?

[Deleted]

Jun 24, 2015 0:33:09 GMT 1 WOOF said:

Jun 24, 2015 0:05:16 GMT 1 chads007 said:

Suprised amoxicillin/alittle hasn't chimed in with their higher than thou spiel yet?

Wait - amoxicillin is alittle?

Bingo

[WOOF]

Jun 24, 2015 1:14:35 GMT 1 @unclegrandpa said:

Jun 24, 2015 0:33:09 GMT 1 WOOF said:

Wait - amoxicillin is alittle?

Bingo

[aberdoom]

Well done FR on another Sandra purchase! He won it fair and square, was there for anyone to get it!

He must have some collection now!

[Unica]

Disgraceful, reached a new low. But thoroughly enjoyed this auction reading back on this thread, sold it cheap IMO. Sad I missed this whole thread until now, I'd of paid way more.

[Shoot Again]

Jun 23, 2015 22:08:47 GMT 1 lucky7 said:

This is one of the most authentic and transparent sales threads I have seen here.
Congratulations dent.
In the future make your sales whichever way you want, don't let others influence you.
The price is good. Some people, maybe unwillingly and or unkowingly, are poisoning your heart, making you feel bad for suppossedly underselling at a lower and bargain price. Don't pay attention to those words.

You got more than what you wanted, you made a return on investment, you kept your word, you were clear, transparent and gracious. You did good. Don't change.
Congratulations!

I think you misunderstood me lucky7, I have no intention "to make dent feel bad and poisoning his heart" !!! I told him weldone if he's happy with the price he got, good for him.  My point is NOT about the price achieved (I have no clue / interest on Chevrier prices) but purely to highlight the fact that he's been played by a MUCH more experienced forumite than him and coming from a Forum Guardian this is just intolerable in my books (sorry if I'm the only one feeling that way, but had to say it)

My advice (not to end up an auction in the middle of a weekday morning with nobody around) still stands by the way, maybe not for dent (as he doesn't seem to care) but for other newbies here who we now know can easily be gamed by a Forum Guardian (!!!).

Weldone FЯ, looks like your fan club is very pleased for you, rightly so ;-) I give you that : it was a genius trick of yours ... the fact that the newbie is applauding you for playing him must just be the cherry on the top ;-(

[Deleted]

Unlike FЯ not to come on and defend himself.......maybe he's too busy stirring it over on the other forum.

[sake]

or he's actually working ;-)

Congrats on the sale, glad you kept the other one, looks awesome :-)

[Shoot Again]

Jun 24, 2015 8:38:33 GMT 1 @snowy said:

Unlike FЯ not to come on and defend himself.......maybe he's too busy stirring it over on the other forum.

Majority here seems to believe he has done nothing wrong so why would he even care ! ;-) He must be busy laughing his socks off at how well he played dent ;-(

[sake]

Jun 24, 2015 9:06:02 GMT 1 Shoot Again said:

Jun 24, 2015 8:38:33 GMT 1 @snowy said:

Unlike FЯ not to come on and defend himself.......maybe he's too busy stirring it over on the other forum.

Majority here seems to believe he has done nothing wrong so why would he even care ! ;-) He must be busy laughing his socks off at how well he played dent ;-(

Also, lets us not forget that Nuarts comment on the value being double is far from objective.. 

I do believe that its worth more, but then again, I would like for the value of her work to rise seeing as I have one myself..

[twist65]

Jun 24, 2015 8:10:04 GMT 1 Shoot Again said:

Jun 23, 2015 22:08:47 GMT 1 lucky7 said:

This is one of the most authentic and transparent sales threads I have seen here.
Congratulations dent.
In the future make your sales whichever way you want, don't let others influence you.
The price is good. Some people, maybe unwillingly and or unkowingly, are poisoning your heart, making you feel bad for suppossedly underselling at a lower and bargain price. Don't pay attention to those words.

You got more than what you wanted, you made a return on investment, you kept your word, you were clear, transparent and gracious. You did good. Don't change.
Congratulations!

I think you misunderstood me lucky7, I have no intention "to make dent feel bad and poisoning his heart" !!! I told him weldone if he's happy with the price he got, good for him.  My point is NOT about the price achieved (I have no clue / interest on Chevrier prices) but purely to highlight the fact that he's been played by a MUCH more experienced forumite than him and coming from a Forum Guardian this is just intolerable in my books (sorry if I'm the only one feeling that way, but had to say it)

My advice (not to end up an auction in the middle of a weekday morning with nobody around) still stands by the way, maybe not for dent (as he doesn't seem to care) but for other newbies here who we now know can easily be gamed by a Forum Guardian (!!!).

Weldone FЯ, looks like your fan club is very pleased for you, rightly so ;-) I give you that : it was a genius trick of yours ... the fact that the newbie is applauding you for playing him must just be the cherry on the top ;-(

I couldn't agree more with shootagain. This is an absolute new low with the forum and makes a complete mockery of the "forum guardian" system. To manipulate a sale by a new member for your own personal gain is bad enough, for a Forum Guardian to do so is unforgiveable and this is EXACTLY why there were some many members opposed to FR being made one in the first place. 

Personally I was happy to give him a chance, but its clear from this episode that FR cannot be trusted as a forum guardian. I would also welcome other forum guardians opinion on this, as plenty have read or liked or commented on this thread but remarkably quiet on the subject. Its turning into a bit of a boys club. Guardians should be here to stop trolling and help new members, not publicly rip them off.

Dent - welcome, good to see a new member with admirable ethics. To answer your question, it is perfectly acceptable to accept highest bids via PM for a valuable original or print. In fact its the norm, especially for high ticket items where potential buyers appreciate a bit of discretion. I did the same for a friends Barcode not long ago, no complaints, sold to a happy forum member in 2 days at a fair price. I have NEVER seen a sale carried out like yours before, except low value charity sale threads. Fair play to you if you're happy, but if I had been played like that I would void the sale and get a fair price for your piece somewhere else.

[Shoot Again]

Jun 24, 2015 10:09:53 GMT 1 twist65 said:

Jun 24, 2015 8:10:04 GMT 1 Shoot Again said:

I think you misunderstood me lucky7, I have no intention "to make dent feel bad and poisoning his heart" !!! I told him weldone if he's happy with the price he got, good for him.  My point is NOT about the price achieved (I have no clue / interest on Chevrier prices) but purely to highlight the fact that he's been played by a MUCH more experienced forumite than him and coming from a Forum Guardian this is just intolerable in my books (sorry if I'm the only one feeling that way, but had to say it)

My advice (not to end up an auction in the middle of a weekday morning with nobody around) still stands by the way, maybe not for dent (as he doesn't seem to care) but for other newbies here who we now know can easily be gamed by a Forum Guardian (!!!).

Weldone FЯ, looks like your fan club is very pleased for you, rightly so ;-) I give you that : it was a genius trick of yours ... the fact that the newbie is applauding you for playing him must just be the cherry on the top ;-(

I couldn't agree more with shootagain. This is an absolute new low with the forum and makes a complete mockery of the "forum guardian" system. To manipulate a sale by a new member for your own personal gain is bad enough, for a Forum Guardian to do so is unforgiveable and this is EXACTLY why there were some many members opposed to FR being made one in the first place. 

Personally I was happy to give him a chance, but its clear from this episode that FR cannot be trusted as a forum guardian. I would also welcome other forum guardians opinion on this, as plenty have read or liked or commented on this thread but remarkably quiet on the subject. Its turning into a bit of a boys club. Guardians should be here to stop trolling and help new members, not publicly rip them off.

Dent - welcome, good to see a new member with admirable ethics. To answer your question, it is perfectly acceptable to accept highest bids via PM for a valuable original or print. In fact its the norm, especially for high ticket items where potential buyers appreciate a bit of discretion. I did the same for a friends Barcode not long ago, no complaints, sold to a happy forum member in 2 days at a fair price. I have NEVER seen a sale carried out like yours before, except low value charity sale threads. Fair play to you if you're happy, but if I had been played like that I would void the sale and get a fair price for your piece somewhere else.

Glad somebody (thanks twist65 !) is eventually articulating my thoughts a bit better than myself ;-) Again dent the point is not about the price achieved (we are all very happy for you if you are), the issue is more a matter of principle as at least 2 of us here believe FЯ has "made a complete mockery of the forum guardian system" (which you might not care about dent, so if so sorry to "use" your thread to highlight it...) I obviously completely agree with twist65 that it would be good to hear back from at least a few other forum guardians on what has taken place here ...

[Harveyn]

I have only just caught up on this thread. My thoughts are as follows.

1. I am not aware of any rule that says you cannot ask for offers by pm and as a seller state what offers you have had. I am aware that the rules state that it is preferred that you should try to put an asking price on your for sale thread but this often does not happen for many reasons.

2. No Forum Guardian should quote rules inaccurately.

Edited to clarify.

Unless the rules change to prohibit seller's from revealing the highest offer they have had (impossible to monitor?) then I can only speak from my own experience as a forum member.  I have made countless offers by pm and then been told by the seller that they have a higher offer already. It was then up to me to make the judgement whether that was the truth or not. In these circumstances I tend to go as far as I am prepared to pay then back off. People have to use their own sound judgement.

  

[p]

If Freerange brought it then it's Soon to be on ebay for over £3k. Max is gunna get a big bone with all that profit!

[Happy Shopper]

All very suspect.
Totally uncalled-for to call someone out publicly for running a suspect/dodgy bidding war, just because they didn't accept your bid... and as a Forum Guardian!
As others have said, this isn't a new way of selling, and it's up to buyers to decide what they'd like to pay and who they trust.

[SturbanHasSaggyTits]

I'm disgusted by his manipulation yet again!
Especially as he is a guardian and should be setting a good example to other forum members. Derailing another members for sale thread, only to add a snipe bid at the last minute. Is this acceptable Silky?

[kel]

Been working away for good part of a month and seems like I missed all the fun. This Forum seems to be spiralling more out of control than the Greek Economy.

[jig5aw]

All a little underhand

[chads007]

Jun 24, 2015 15:38:36 GMT 1 @tiddlywinkler said:

Jun 24, 2015 1:14:35 GMT 1 @unclegrandpa said:

Bingo

Sup, junkie?

Oh and eat s**t chads007. Still hurt that I called out your deceitful sales tactics? Oh well, it did the trick, I guess. I see it still hasn't sold.

On edit: As I await my next reincarnation, y'all know where to find me.

Aww bless. Go get some fresh Canadian air you little cunt. 'Oooo my names Andrew if you ever sell let me know love your drawing'. Sold now, you bitter little t**t.

[chads007]

April 6th registered. ..how many accounts do you have to save your depreciating "works"?

[Shoot Again]

Jun 24, 2015 16:19:50 GMT 1 @tiddlywinkler said:

Not going to waste my time arguing with the likes of you.

Glad to see FR locked down this canvas cheap. Brilliant work, mate.

Yes please, let's get back to FЯ's  practices please... so, apart from Harveyn who politely acknowledged that something was clearly wrong, every other Forum Guardian (I thought we had an army of it nowdays ?!?) is fine with all this ? Or are they just to shy to confront FЯ ? Or rule number one amongst Forum Guardians is to stick together no matter what ?

[twist65]

Jun 24, 2015 16:30:16 GMT 1 Shoot Again said:

Jun 24, 2015 16:19:50 GMT 1 @tiddlywinkler said:

Not going to waste my time arguing with the likes of you.

Glad to see FR locked down this canvas cheap. Brilliant work, mate.

Yes please, let's get back to FЯ's  practices please... so, apart from Harveyn who politely acknowledged that something was clearly wrong, every other Forum Guardian (I thought we had an army of it nowdays ?!?) is fine with all this ? Or are they just to shy to confront FЯ ? Or rule number one amongst Forum Guardians is to stick together no matter what ?

Dobson, Dreadnatty and Dappy have all either posted or liked posted on this thread. 
All very quiet now. 
Defo coming across as a boys club mentality with Forum Guardians at the moment, there have been worrying examples of this on previous threads so it doesn't surprise me that other FGs are trying to sweep this one under the carpet..

Harvyn thanks for adding your thoughts. 
Good to know that you disagree with FR, although it was a very carefully worded response.. 

[dueuomo]

Jun 24, 2015 16:30:16 GMT 1 Shoot Again said:

Jun 24, 2015 16:19:50 GMT 1 @tiddlywinkler said:

Not going to waste my time arguing with the likes of you.

Glad to see FR locked down this canvas cheap. Brilliant work, mate.

Yes please, let's get back to FЯ's  practices please... so, apart from Harveyn who politely acknowledged that something was clearly wrong, every other Forum Guardian (I thought we had an army of it nowdays ?!?) is fine with all this ? Or are they just to shy to confront FЯ ? Or rule number one amongst Forum Guardians is to stick together no matter what ?

Even if I am not a guardian, I completely agree with you shootagsin. I am quite disgusted by what happened here.

[lucky7]

Jun 24, 2015 8:10:04 GMT 1 Shoot Again said:

Jun 23, 2015 22:08:47 GMT 1 lucky7 said:

This is one of the most authentic and transparent sales threads I have seen here.
Congratulations dent.
In the future make your sales whichever way you want, don't let others influence you.
The price is good. Some people, maybe unwillingly and or unkowingly, are poisoning your heart, making you feel bad for suppossedly underselling at a lower and bargain price. Don't pay attention to those words.

You got more than what you wanted, you made a return on investment, you kept your word, you were clear, transparent and gracious. You did good. Don't change.
Congratulations!

I think you misunderstood me lucky7, I have no intention "to make dent feel bad and poisoning his heart" !!! I told him weldone if he's happy with the price he got, good for him.  My point is NOT about the price achieved (I have no clue / interest on Chevrier prices) but purely to highlight the fact that he's been played by a MUCH more experienced forumite than him and coming from a Forum Guardian this is just intolerable in my books (sorry if I'm the only one feeling that way, but had to say it)

My advice (not to end up an auction in the middle of a weekday morning with nobody around) still stands by the way, maybe not for dent (as he doesn't seem to care) but for other newbies here who we now know can easily be gamed by a Forum Guardian (!!!).

Weldone FЯ, looks like your fan club is very pleased for you, rightly so ;-) I give you that : it was a genius trick of yours ... the fact that the newbie is applauding you for playing him must just be the cherry on the top ;-(

Fair enough.
I guess my problem is with having this debate here.  Saying there was something wrong with the  sale, is the same as the behavior being  criticized (influence).  

I also don't like this is being discussed after the thought. The OP stated his plans well in advanced, we shouldn't wait until it's all over to bring arguments.  What is the real problem here?  The fact that a certain person won the bid?

Now, I don't know all the facts. I might be wrong.  For example, it would be nice to know if the final price is higher or lower that the highest original bid received through PM.

I like the fact that you clarified your point of view: your problem is not with the OP or the price achieved.  I agree.
There is something bigger going on here amongst people who know themselves better than I know all of them, so I don't want to meddle as I am not informed.  I wish you continue debating and defending your point of view, but I don't think this thread is the place.  You are an established member here and have a lot of  experience.  I respect that. Thus, I applaud your interest in trying to make this board run straight.

[dreadnatty]

Jun 24, 2015 17:00:11 GMT 1 twist65 said:

Jun 24, 2015 16:30:16 GMT 1 Shoot Again said:

Yes please, let's get back to FЯ's  practices please... so, apart from Harveyn who politely acknowledged that something was clearly wrong, every other Forum Guardian (I thought we had an army of it nowdays ?!?) is fine with all this ? Or are they just to shy to confront FЯ ? Or rule number one amongst Forum Guardians is to stick together no matter what ?

Dobson, Dreadnatty and Dappy have all either posted or liked posted on this thread. 
All very quiet now. 
Defo coming across as a boys club mentality with Forum Guardians at the moment, there have been worrying examples of this on previous threads so it doesn't surprise me that other FGs are trying to sweep this one under the carpet..

Harvyn thanks for adding your thoughts. 
Good to know that you disagree with FR, although it was a very carefully worded response.. 

Feel free to PM if you want to discuss.

[atom]

Like the wild west around here these days, can't trust anyone. Done & Dusted with this place. Goodbye.

[11]

As per Dread's post - if you have issue with my conduct then PM me

As with everything else, waiting till after the event just so you can cause trouble is poor form and sadly it seems those with real issue have no loyalty to this forum at all and are doing it purely to cause yet more disruption.

If this had all been raised in good time then i would have given it some serious consideration but seems to me designed purely as propaganda to serve some very personal agendas

[russkov]

Wow, I am just reading the last replies from FGs and I prefer not to undertsand why you would "solve" the issue via PM. If it is a forum, it may remain public.
I totally back-up the point of view of Shootagain, the position and moves of FЯ were not transparent immediately, and certainly not reflect teh best advice for a newbie. Let's call things the way they are. Always interesting this way of calling a conflict of interest a good deal when you are on the good side of the deal.
I just applause DENT who is honoring his word and his deal, alas I am far not sure however that he would reitereate the experience on this forum. A pity as he still has wonderful pieces of Chevrier that he may sell in the future.

[cmodart]

I do not think there is anything wrong with bids privately, or accepting bids publicly. It does seem that FR used his status as a guardian to bait / shame a new member into conducting an open bid for his own gain.

This is the inherent problem of having guardians. All of the sudden, their opinion becomes more valid than the community in the eyes of those that are most susceptible to influence. Any disagreement devolves into a bunfight.

I think anyone who got the presale invite to the nearly immediately sold-out JLG show would have been more on this piece. I would stop short of saying it was a steal, but there was a successful manipulation IMO