[WOOF]

Is that from the edition of 20 or an original one off?

[andyroo0312]

May 22, 2017 1:48:45 GMT 1 WOOF said:

Is that from the edition of 20 or an original one off?

This is the OG the run of 20 are a lot smaller and different colour way. That is a cracker. A very big cracker actually coming in at 83cm x 142cm. What a perfect companion to a large HM print. Hard one to price but the edition of 20 were $2800 at source so this large 1/1 would be worth $8-$10k imo. It is a great image not one that is really well known but special none the less. Would of loved to of seen the statue they did in Mongolia back in 2012.

[Peter Bengtsen]

May 22, 2017 7:09:36 GMT 1 andyroo0312 said:

May 22, 2017 1:48:45 GMT 1 WOOF said:

Is that from the edition of 20 or an original one off?

This is the OG the run of 20 are a lot smaller and different colour way. That is a cracker. A very big cracker actually coming in at 83cm x 142cm. What a perfect companion to a large HM print. Hard one to price but the edition of 20 were $2800 at source so this large 1/1 would be worth $8-$10k imo. It is a great image not one that is really well known but special none the less. Would of loved to of seen the statue they did in Mongolia back in 2012.

Is it not still in place?

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[andyroo0312]

May 22, 2017 7:53:03 GMT 1 Peter Bengtsen said:

May 22, 2017 7:09:36 GMT 1 andyroo0312 said:

This is the OG the run of 20 are a lot smaller and different colour way. That is a cracker. A very big cracker actually coming in at 83cm x 142cm. What a perfect companion to a large HM print. Hard one to price but the edition of 20 were $2800 at source so this large 1/1 would be worth $8-$10k imo. It is a great image not one that is really well known but special none the less. Would of loved to of seen the statue they did in Mongolia back in 2012.

Is it not still in place?

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Yes if you happen to be kicking about near Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia then go check out the sculpture as it is still there and will be until the grant that looks after it runs out and it gets over run by Yaks but i don't think that will happen while the Patricks are still one as Faile.. 

[yobaby]

May 21, 2017 22:44:23 GMT 1 @keiffb718 said:

Hello all! First time poster here(long time lurker) I have an OG 'Eat With The Wolf' I was blessed with some 8+ years ago and wanted to get some thoughts on the value?(Album here imgur.com/a/jJUpK )

If that's a double bed then this is one HUGE print. I've always liked these Wolf images, very strong even the limited runs of 50. 

[nobla]

Looking for an estimate of value of my Smoking Silence - Gold. Framed with museum glass

Thanks

[sugar72]

May 22, 2017 17:01:05 GMT 1 nobla said:

Looking for an estimate of value of my Smoking Silence - Gold. Framed with museum glass

Thanks

Why haven't you unwrapped and hung it?

[nobla]

Its been unwrapped, hung and enjoyed for ages. Thats just an older pic that I took when I first got it back from the framer

[sugar72]

May 22, 2017 17:28:30 GMT 1 nobla said:

Its been unwrapped, hung and enjoyed for ages. Thats just an older pic that I took when I first got it back from the framer

Nice I am glad.
If you want to sell give me a shout

[gravsten]

Hi folks.
I need your help.
I just bought these two File prints (bunny girl and captivating) and have now doubted the authenticity. I have been in contact with a Whitney via Faile's website, her impression was that they were legit, but she was not sure. Maybe you guys can help me
They are signed and numbered, but there is no stamp, have checked on the Faile forum and it appears that these prints do not necessarily have a stamp? I'm not the original owner I bought them through a Danish website.
What do you guys think?
This is my third post here, so i am not quite sure the pictures are uploaded.

[sugar72]

From what I understand when the Faile brothers were joined by Aiko at the time of these, it was her who signed them and hence the slightly different faile signatute

[ncewnimw]

May 22, 2017 19:55:21 GMT 1 gravsten said:

Hi folks.
I need your help.
I just bought these two File prints (bunny girl and captivating) and have now doubted the authenticity. I have been in contact with a Whitney via Faile's website, her impression was that they were legit, but she was not sure. Maybe you guys can help me
They are signed and numbered, but there is no stamp, have checked on the Faile forum and it appears that these prints do not necessarily have a stamp? I'm not the original owner I bought them through a Danish website.
What do you guys think?
This is my third post here, so i am not quite sure the pictures are uploaded.

Congrats. They are both ledgit for sure. Signed by former member Aiko. Saw them on DBA but thought freight to Sweden would be tricky. Great purshace, enjoy!

[gravsten]

Thanks for the quick reply Sugar72 and Ncewnimw! It's exactly those I bought, I think they were incredibly cheap, what do you think the right price is on these? Could see Daniel Silk had someone for sale for £ 300 but do not think they were signed

[sugar72]

May 22, 2017 20:30:51 GMT 1 gravsten said:

Thanks for the quick reply Sugar72 and Ncewnimw! It's exactly those I bought, I think they were incredibly cheap, what do you think the right price is on these? Could see Daniel Silk had someone for sale for £ 300 but do not think they were signed

I am not sure but I seem to remember that the first 100/150 were signed. The signed ones I think about 200/250 . If these were the ones on eBay at around 50 pounds I thought initially they were fake. To be honest and not to worry you as my opinion means nothing, but I do think the positioning of the numbering looks a little off.

[sugar72]

Also wasn't captivating a print produced via POW and the numbering is always indicated within an embossed POW sign?

This thread shows a picture.

urbanartassociation.com/thread/101099/ltb-faile-captivating-signed

[seba]

I believe it's the same as with the Banksy prints that were released in 2003/2004. Some of the edition simply were sold before the introduction of the pow- blindstamp.
If I remember correctly the unsigned ones were an edition of 600 and the signed ones an edition of 150.
The price for the unsigned was 25 and signed 50-75 from pow originally. Worth a little bit more now, but definately very far from the price increase for some other screen prints from pow from that era.
How much did you pay?

[gravsten]

May 22, 2017 20:58:31 GMT 1 sugar72 said:

Also wasn't captivating a print produced via POW and the numbering is always indicated within an embossed POW sign?

This thread shows a picture.

urbanartassociation.com/thread/101099/Looking to Buy-faile-captivating-signed

I do not know if they should have a stamp or not, and whitney from faile did ask for a stamp, but when i told her there were no stamp, she wrote this: " I wouldn’t assume that these are not legit. The signature was a bit different back then and everything does look like it could be real but it is hard for me to tell from what I’ve seen."
I did hope that somebody had the same prints, so we could confirm whether they were legit or not, i got some pm, and they mostly they say they are legit. 

these are not from ebay, these are from a dansih site called dba.dk

[gravsten]

Hello Seba. 

Okay thank, maybe i thought i had made a better deal. I paid about 55 pounds for each print. They were both framed but it was not professionally done

[bluenotez]

Hellooooo - must be pretty obvious that I'm new here!

No prior experience in Urban Art in general or Faile, but I'm curious about the value of a particular piece:

Torment  - "I... I'm never going to see you again"

Screenprint & Acrylic
50 x 38cm (15 x 19 inches)
From an edition of 12
2007

Despairing Female Ganesh Ganesha figure with hands in face...  Colouring is orange and blue. 1986 at lower left & signature at lower right. Faile dog embossed at very lower right. Framed in Museum quality UV glass.

Thanks...

[BKBOI]

Jun 7, 2017 16:41:30 GMT 1 bluenotez said:

Hellooooo - must be pretty obvious that I'm new here!

No prior experience in Urban Art in general or Faile, but I'm curious about the value of a particular piece:

Torment  - "I... I'm never going to see you again"

Screenprint & Acrylic
50 x 38cm (15 x 19 inches)
From an edition of 12
2007

Despairing Female Ganesh Ganesha figure with hands in face...  Colouring is orange and blue. 1986 at lower left & signature at lower right. Faile dog embossed at very lower right. Framed in Museum quality UV glass.

Thanks...

The title is Ganesha Torment III. Last recorded sale was in 2013 which was close to original cost around $ 800.00

[South Bound]

Jun 7, 2017 16:41:30 GMT 1 bluenotez said:

Hellooooo - must be pretty obvious that I'm new here!

No prior experience in Urban Art in general or Faile, but I'm curious about the value of a particular piece:

Torment  - "I... I'm never going to see you again"

Screenprint & Acrylic
50 x 38cm (15 x 19 inches)
From an edition of 12
2007

Despairing Female Ganesh Ganesha figure with hands in face...  Colouring is orange and blue. 1986 at lower left & signature at lower right. Faile dog embossed at very lower right. Framed in Museum quality UV glass.

Thanks...

Not really a Faile fan but this and Faile Dog prints are IMHO Faile's most classic images (again just IMHO) dunno if you are buying or selling but Good luck regardless

Edit: just saw the reference to framing so GLWS

[yobaby]

Jun 7, 2017 17:48:49 GMT 1 BKBOI said:

Jun 7, 2017 16:41:30 GMT 1 bluenotez said:

Hellooooo - must be pretty obvious that I'm new here!

No prior experience in Urban Art in general or Faile, but I'm curious about the value of a particular piece:

Torment  - "I... I'm never going to see you again"

Screenprint & Acrylic
50 x 38cm (15 x 19 inches)
From an edition of 12
2007

Despairing Female Ganesh Ganesha figure with hands in face...  Colouring is orange and blue. 1986 at lower left & signature at lower right. Faile dog embossed at very lower right. Framed in Museum quality UV glass.

Thanks...

The title is Ganesha Torment III. Last recorded sale was in 2013 which was close to original cost around $ 800.00

Alot more than $800. Edition of 12 from 2007. These are pretty revered.. my guess is easily 3x that amount, potentially more.

[BKBOI]

Jun 7, 2017 19:06:05 GMT 1 yobaby said:

Jun 7, 2017 17:48:49 GMT 1 BKBOI said:

The title is Ganesha Torment III. Last recorded sale was in 2013 which was close to original cost around $ 800.00

Alot more than $800. Edition of 12 from 2007. These are pretty revered.. my guess is easily 3x that amount, potentially more.

Really? There are a few Faile pieces that I know that would sell for 3x original cost. List it on ebay and see if there is any interest on this piece. This will be a hard sell if you think you can get more than 1500 usd for this. BTW, I am just staring at that Black Sub Rosa (which is a coveted image) on Ebay and it has gone unsold for the longest time when essentially the seller is asking for cost.  

[sugar72]

Jun 7, 2017 21:12:43 GMT 1 BKBOI said:

Jun 7, 2017 19:06:05 GMT 1 yobaby said:

Alot more than $800. Edition of 12 from 2007. These are pretty revered.. my guess is easily 3x that amount, potentially more.

Really? There are a few Faile pieces that I know that would sell for 3x original cost. List it on ebay and see if there is any interest on this piece. This will be a hard sell if you think you can get more than 1500 usd for this. BTW, I am just staring at that Black Sub Rosa (which is a coveted image) on Ebay and it has gone unsold for the longest time when essentially the seller is asking for cost.  

Problem with the listings in eBay is that the prices are too high and these would sell if they were auction with a lower starting price. The Ganesh is far more classic image than the sub rosa and I believe would attract far more attention and is worth around 1200 - 1500 pounds. Easily 1500 dollars.

[yobaby]

Jun 7, 2017 21:12:43 GMT 1 BKBOI said:

Jun 7, 2017 19:06:05 GMT 1 yobaby said:

Alot more than $800. Edition of 12 from 2007. These are pretty revered.. my guess is easily 3x that amount, potentially more.

Really? There are a few Faile pieces that I know that would sell for 3x original cost. List it on ebay and see if there is any interest on this piece. This will be a hard sell if you think you can get more than 1500 usd for this. BTW, I am just staring at that Black Sub Rosa (which is a coveted image) on Ebay and it has gone unsold for the longest time when essentially the seller is asking for cost.  

I love a good debate I personally also love the black sub rosa but it is not a popular Faile image for some reason which is why it's sitting on eBay (along with the red). If I had the money I'd buy that subrosa and have in the past been offered it at cost with free shipping thrown into the mix. I've no doubt in 10 years time people may be scrambling for these earlier handfinished Failes... real works of art

Disclaimer: I don't own either of these prints nor do I want a Ganesha.

[sugar72]

Jun 7, 2017 22:03:50 GMT 1 yobaby said:

Jun 7, 2017 21:12:43 GMT 1 BKBOI said:

Really? There are a few Faile pieces that I know that would sell for 3x original cost. List it on ebay and see if there is any interest on this piece. This will be a hard sell if you think you can get more than 1500 usd for this. BTW, I am just staring at that Black Sub Rosa (which is a coveted image) on Ebay and it has gone unsold for the longest time when essentially the seller is asking for cost.  

I love a good debate I personally also love the black sub rosa but it is not a popular Faile image for some reason which is why it's sitting on eBay (along with the red). If I had the money I'd buy that subrosa and have in the past been offered it at cost with free shipping thrown into the mix. I've no doubt in 10 years time people may be scrambling for these earlier handfinished Failes... real works of art

Disclaimer: I don't own either of these prints nor do I want a Ganesha.

100% agreed. Faile are awesome and under priced. A few years will see them come into their own!!

[maddoghoek100]

I love faile, I own a lot of faile, I do view it as value priced.... but give it a few years and they will come into their own is a bit questionable. They are all the way in their own now in an unmanipulated market where pieces are priced at market and sold to collectors.

They have had major museum shows, they were the inaugural nyc ballet art series artists, they habe major gallery representation around the world, and they were included in the first major museum exhibition of street art at the Tate modern along with JR, OS G...and that was in 2008.

So short of a big money market manipulator poping some big auction results invader style in not sure what you are looking for. On a 30 year time horizon we are having a different discussion.

Ps, subrosa is awesome, but it isn't happens everyday or wolf within...bit those are my biases

[BKBOI]

And that's the problem. Collectors think they are worth more. Everyone can agree happens everyday/savage world is one of their greatest images and yet the dude who bought an OG collage directly from studio could not find a buyer for cost. Yes it was $12k but that is an OG happens everyday.

There was also a small puzzle box here which went unsold for cost.

And that OG edition of 2 with the wolf where the seller paid 5k back in 2007/2008 and was willing to take a huge hit.

If you use these as examples, why do you think the Ganesha is worth at least twice the original price?

From what I have seen, collectors across the board are willing to pony up good money for a Faile dog, flag, Brooklyn bedtime, happens everyday(not all editions since it has been done to death), surfer horse, tonight we faile and wolf within images.

[sugar72]

Jun 8, 2017 2:14:37 GMT 1 BKBOI said:

And that's the problem. Collectors think they are worth more. Everyone can agree happens everyday/savage world is one of their greatest images and yet the dude who bought an OG collage directly from studio could not find a buyer for cost. Yes it was $12k but that is an OG happens everyday.

There was also a small puzzle box here which went unsold for cost.

And that OG edition of 2 with the wolf where the seller paid 5k back in 2007/2008 and was willing to take a huge hit.

If you use these as examples, why do you think the Ganesha is worth at least twice the original price?

From what I have seen, collectors across the board are willing to pony up good money for a Faile dog, flag, Brooklyn bedtime, happens everyday(not all editions since it has been done to death), surfer horse, tonight we faile and wolf within images.

As with anything it's all about volume and hence liquidity. Larger editions that have classic images sell better as they have a more visible benchmark price from past sales. Originals are always more difficult to price as being that they sell far less often finding a price that people are confident to pay is difficult. Their 150 series for example sells very well on the secondary market because people are confident that they can benchmark a price. The block prints also are rarer but do have volume of circa 100 and so can be traced. As with anything it is what someone is willing to pay and I think selling originals is tough. For me if I bought an original I would never have it in my mind to sell it would be part of my collection j love and would fully expect to sell for less unless it was of course from some established body like Banksy etc. I am basing my pricing on these not because I am collector (though I am) but on pricing I have seen these go for. This isnof course a ballpark and hence my suggestion that rather than placing a set price on eBay people should have a polish reserve auction and hence let the market decide, my price is just a guidance based on historic examples. At end of the day yes I love faile and so will be on the positive side of pricing nor because I want to inflate my own as I am not selling but just because I believe they are a under priced talent.

[sugar72]

Jun 8, 2017 2:14:37 GMT 1 BKBOI said:

And that's the problem. Collectors think they are worth more. Everyone can agree happens everyday/savage world is one of their greatest images and yet the dude who bought an OG collage directly from studio could not find a buyer for cost. Yes it was $12k but that is an OG happens everyday.

There was also a small puzzle box here which went unsold for cost.

And that OG edition of 2 with the wolf where the seller paid 5k back in 2007/2008 and was willing to take a huge hit.

If you use these as examples, why do you think the Ganesha is worth at least twice the original price?

From what I have seen, collectors across the board are willing to pony up good money for a Faile dog, flag, Brooklyn bedtime, happens everyday(not all editions since it has been done to death), surfer horse, tonight we faile and wolf within images.

As with anything it's all about volume and hence liquidity. Larger editions that have classic images sell better as they have a more visible benchmark price from past sales. Originals are always more difficult to price as being that they sell far less often finding a price that people are confident to pay is difficult. Their 150 series for example sells very well on the secondary market because people are confident that they can benchmark a price. The block prints also are rarer but do have volume of circa 100 and so can be traced. As with anything it is what someone is willing to pay and I think selling originals is tough. For me if I bought an original I would never have it in my mind to sell it would be part of my collection j love and would fully expect to sell for less unless it was of course from some established body like Banksy etc. I am basing my pricing on these not because I am collector (though I am) but on pricing I have seen these go for. This isnof course a ballpark and hence my suggestion that rather than placing a set price on eBay people should have a polish reserve auction and hence let the market decide, my price is just a guidance based on historic examples. At end of the day yes I love faile and so will be on the positive side of pricing nor because I want to inflate my own as I am not selling but just because I believe they are a under priced talent.