Share the STIK love!

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Jun 10, 2016 13:13:33 GMT 1 Wearology said:

I sent out almost a hundred free signed "Liberty" show cards from NY to around the world to only forum members after his show and was ridiculed by some for asking for shipping costs to be covered.  One forum member even told me I was profiting from the shipping cost and proceeded to take the insults to a PM.
I guess those that received them are not so angry about the shipping cost only being charged.  
How many forum members still have them : ) 

Wow! What a grand gesture!

[t3c]

Jun 10, 2016 13:13:33 GMT 1 Wearology said:

I sent out almost a hundred free signed "Liberty" show cards from NY to around the world to only forum members after his show and was ridiculed by some for asking for shipping costs to be covered.  One forum member even told me I was profiting from the shipping cost and proceeded to take the insults to a PM.
I guess those that received them are not so angry about the shipping cost only being charged.  
How many forum members still have them : ) 

I got a set from another forum member but you did send me a Japanese Big Issue poster which is hanging alongside the UK versions. Top bloke is Wearology 

[tab1]

Jun 10, 2016 13:13:33 GMT 1 Wearology said:

I sent out almost a hundred free signed "Liberty" show cards from NY to around the world to only forum members after his show and was ridiculed by some for asking for shipping costs to be covered.  One forum member even told me I was profiting from the shipping cost and proceeded to take the insults to a PM.
I guess those that received them are not so angry about the shipping cost only being charged.  
How many forum members still have them : ) 

Ungrateful gits, some people expect everything for free, postage cost can be a big issue for some on here?!

even at the time you were offering them on here they were selling on eBay so a nice gesture to offer out ..£4000 you could of gained , I'm sure those who you helped out appreciated and the gesture may be returned in the future not that you expect

[Missy Parrot]

Anyone looking for a Lovers , one on eBay (not mine)

[Deleted]

Jun 10, 2016 13:13:33 GMT 1 Wearology said:

I sent out almost a hundred free signed "Liberty" show cards from NY to around the world to only forum members after his show and was ridiculed by some for asking for shipping costs to be covered.  One forum member even told me I was profiting from the shipping cost and proceeded to take the insults to a PM.
I guess those that received them are not so angry about the shipping cost only being charged.  
How many forum members still have them : ) 

 Such a shame some people do not appreciate a favour when it's done for them. Postage costs have to be paid and often the postage can be more than the item if it's posted internationally. Plus the time and effort required to pack and post everything.

[Winks]

Jun 10, 2016 13:21:33 GMT 1 Wearology said:

Mini canvases from his NY show all together before they were broken up and sold individually.

There's a few quid there

[kel]

Jun 10, 2016 13:13:33 GMT 1 Wearology said:

I sent out almost a hundred free signed "Liberty" show cards from NY to around the world to only forum members after his show and was ridiculed by some for asking for shipping costs to be covered.  One forum member even told me I was profiting from the shipping cost and proceeded to take the insults to a PM.
I guess those that received them are not so angry about the shipping cost only being charged.  
How many forum members still have them : ) 

Sad thing is and what I considered should be good practise is you should always send a bit extra so those that have helped you out can get a drink. To even complain about postage costs for a free item just sums up this forum at times.

[Deleted]

Is there any truth in the rumour posted on the other thread that Stik and his printer have been putting his prints in Bonhams and told Bonhams not to take prints from other people?

[tartarus]

Jun 12, 2016 12:46:38 GMT 1 @elviswarhol said:

Is there any truth in the rumour posted on the other thread that Stik and his printer have been putting his prints in Bonhams and told Bonhams not to take prints from other people?

Didn't seem to back it up with anything so i doubt it. 

But even if there was, what does it matter? They are both entitled to submit pieces to auction are they not? And do you think that Stik can tell the auction house not to take his works? id assume that would be up to them to decide. 

[tab1]

Jun 12, 2016 13:09:54 GMT 1 tartarus said:

Jun 12, 2016 12:46:38 GMT 1 @elviswarhol said:

Is there any truth in the rumour posted on the other thread that Stik and his printer have been putting his prints in Bonhams and told Bonhams not to take prints from other people?

Didn't seem to back it up with anything so i doubt it. 

But even if there was, what does it matter? They are both entitled to submit pieces to auction are they not? And do you think that Stik can tell the auction house not to take his works? id assume that would be up to them to decide. 

Makes a big difference .
Scene set for a big American show now

Galleries advising buyers the next big star , prices backed up by high end auction sales .
Give it a year to see if the the sales market is genuine as a few Stik s will come to the market as prices are so high and gauge by how long they stay around until sold or even sold

[tartarus]

Jun 12, 2016 13:41:07 GMT 1 tab1 said:

Jun 12, 2016 13:09:54 GMT 1 tartarus said:

Didn't seem to back it up with anything so i doubt it. 

But even if there was, what does it matter? They are both entitled to submit pieces to auction are they not? And do you think that Stik can tell the auction house not to take his works? id assume that would be up to them to decide. 

Makes a big difference .
Scene set for a big American show now

Galleries advising buyers the next big star , prices backed up by high end auction sales .
Give it a year to see if the the sales market is genuine as a few Stik s will come to the market as prices are so high and gauge by how long they stay around until sold or even sold

no, thats the difference the results may make. or is he also responsible for that?


People have been saying things like this about his work for years now. so far none of them have been proven right and peoples interest in his work has just kept increasing.

is there a point when we can actually say he has made it? i see what he has achieved over the last 5 years as truly incredible, looks like someone having a very successful career i would say. but i hear so often its a passing fad, and yet he's still here and doing bigger and better things all the time. 

strange world. 

[tab1]

There's no denying he has a market but before the baby prints were released . any prints listed sold slowly when listed and were no way near £2500- £3000 that the baby prints were selling for soon after a release.
Liberty prints after a release hung around for a couple of hundred above cost , then took a year and a half to reach over £1000


Stik book released
Baby print released straight away high secondary value x5
Charity auction
Then two high end auctions

Pr / marketing to get to these prices
And some galleries even buy up stock on secondary market of artists they represent to control the market.

No major ground breaking shows as of yet ?

[Deleted]

Jun 12, 2016 14:12:04 GMT 1 tab1 said:

There's no denying he has a market but before the baby prints were released . any prints listed sold slowly when listed and were no way near £2500- £3000 that the baby prints were selling for soon after a release.
Liberty prints after a release hung around for a couple of hundred above cost , then took a year and a half to reach over £1000


Stik book released
Baby print released straight away high secondary value x5
Charity auction
Then two high end auctions

Pr / marketing to get to these prices

Always brings me back to this i read a good few years back, books called the tipping point,  (lots of words, sorry)


© Malcolm Gladwell, 2000

For Hush Puppies, the Tipping Point - that one dramatic moment in an epidemic, when everything can change all at once - came somewhere between late 1994 and early 1995.

The brand had been all but dead until that point. Sales of the classic American brushed-suede shoes with the lightweight cr*pe sole were down to 30,000 pairs a year, mostly to backwoods outlets and small-town family stores. Wolverine, the company that makes Hush Puppies, was thinking of phasing out the shoes that made them famous. But then something strange happened. At a fashion shoot, two Hush Puppies executives - Owen Baxter and Geoffrey Lewis - ran into a stylist from New York, who told them that the classic Hush Puppies had suddenly become hip in the clubs and bars of downtown Manhattan.


"We were being told," Baxter recalls, "that there were re-sale shops in the Village, in Soho, where the shoes were being sold. People were going to the little stores that still carried them." Baxter and Lewis were baffled at first. It made no sense to them that shoes that were so obviously out of fashion could make a comeback.

By the autumn of 1995, things began to happen in a rush. First, the designer John Bartlett called. He wanted to use Hush Puppies in his spring collection. Then another Manhattan designer, Anna Sui, called, wanting shoes for her show. In Los Angeles, the designer Joel Fitzgerald put a 25ft inflatable basset hound - the symbol of the Hush Puppies brand - on the roof of his Hollywood store and gutted an adjoining art gallery to turn it into a Hush Puppies boutique.

In 1995, the company sold 430,000 pairs, and the next year it sold four times that, and the year after that still more, until Hush Puppies were once again a staple of the wardrobe of the young American male. In 1996, Hush Puppies won the prize for best accessory at the Council of Fashion Designers awards dinner, and the president of the firm stood up on the stage with Calvin Klein and Donna Karan and accepted an award for an achievement that - as he would be the first to admit - his company had almost nothing to do with.

How did that happen? Those first few kids, whoever they were, weren't deliberately trying to promote Hush Puppies. They were wearing them precisely because no one else would wear them. Then the fad spread to two designers, who used the shoes to peddle something else - high fashion. The shoes were an incidental touch. No one was trying to make Hush Puppies a trend. Yet, somehow, that's exactly what happened. The shoes passed a certain point in popularity and they tipped. How does a $30 pair of shoes go from a handful of downtown Manhattan hipsters and designers to every mall in America in the space of two years?

The best way to understand the Hush Puppy boom, or the transformation of unknown books into bestsellers, or the rise of teenage smoking, or any number of the other mysterious changes that mark everyday life, is to think of them as epidemics. Ideas, products, messages and behaviours spread just like viruses do. Their chief characteristics - one, contagiousness; two, the fact that little causes can have big effects; and three, that change happens not gradually but at one dramatic moment - are the same three principles that define how measles moves through a school or flu attacks every winter.

[tartarus]

Jun 12, 2016 14:12:04 GMT 1 tab1 said:

There's no denying he has a market but before the baby prints were released . any prints listed sold slowly when listed and were no way near £2500- £3000 that the baby prints were selling for soon after a release.
Liberty prints after a release hung around for a couple of hundred above cost , then took a year and a half to reach over £1000


Stik book released
Baby print released straight away high secondary value x5
Charity auction
Then two high end auctions

Pr / marketing to get to these prices

Thats just pure assumption on your part and i assume with nothing at all to back it up. Isn't that just how someone develops a career in art? He releases things, he uses the interest it generates, and he does things that get attention. you seem to be sure there is something bad here, when in fact its just an artist generating interest by doing the things an artist does. You just seem to have a huge negative spin to it all. 

[FЯ]

Jun 12, 2016 14:24:11 GMT 1 tartarus said:

Jun 12, 2016 14:12:04 GMT 1 tab1 said:

There's no denying he has a market but before the baby prints were released . any prints listed sold slowly when listed and were no way near £2500- £3000 that the baby prints were selling for soon after a release.
Liberty prints after a release hung around for a couple of hundred above cost , then took a year and a half to reach over £1000


Stik book released
Baby print released straight away high secondary value x5
Charity auction
Then two high end auctions

Pr / marketing to get to these prices

Thats just pure assumption on your part and i assume with nothing at all to back it up. Isn't that just how someone develops a career in art? He releases things, he uses the interest it generates, and he does things that get attention. you seem to be sure there is something bad here, when in fact its just an artist generating interest by doing the things an artist does. You just seem to have a huge negative spin to it all. 

Blind if people do not think all artists put things into auction.
why do you think you see things from banksy at auction no one has seen before.

[tab1]

Jun 12, 2016 14:24:11 GMT 1 tartarus said:

Jun 12, 2016 14:12:04 GMT 1 tab1 said:

There's no denying he has a market but before the baby prints were released . any prints listed sold slowly when listed and were no way near £2500- £3000 that the baby prints were selling for soon after a release.
Liberty prints after a release hung around for a couple of hundred above cost , then took a year and a half to reach over £1000


Stik book released
Baby print released straight away high secondary value x5
Charity auction
Then two high end auctions

Pr / marketing to get to these prices

Thats just pure assumption on your part and i assume with nothing at all to back it up. Isn't that just how someone develops a career in art? He releases things, he uses the interest it generates, and he does things that get attention. you seem to be sure there is something bad here, when in fact its just an artist generating interest by doing the things an artist does. You just seem to have a huge negative spin to it all. 

not saying it happens
But to be aware of other factors that can drive prices up rather than just buying in blindly .
I own a piece and would benifit from the high valuations but as I have been collecting for a long time now
Can see certain trends

its like the aim market sometimes , herds following

[tab1]

Jun 12, 2016 14:26:02 GMT 1 FЯ said:

Jun 12, 2016 14:24:11 GMT 1 tartarus said:

Thats just pure assumption on your part and i assume with nothing at all to back it up. Isn't that just how someone develops a career in art? He releases things, he uses the interest it generates, and he does things that get attention. you seem to be sure there is something bad here, when in fact its just an artist generating interest by doing the things an artist does. You just seem to have a huge negative spin to it all. 

Blind if people do not think all artists put things into auction.
why do you think you see things from banksy at auction no one has seen before.

Has one of the best pr team in this scene , so expected

[tartarus]

Jun 12, 2016 14:32:57 GMT 1 tab1 said:

Jun 12, 2016 14:24:11 GMT 1 tartarus said:

Thats just pure assumption on your part and i assume with nothing at all to back it up. Isn't that just how someone develops a career in art? He releases things, he uses the interest it generates, and he does things that get attention. you seem to be sure there is something bad here, when in fact its just an artist generating interest by doing the things an artist does. You just seem to have a huge negative spin to it all. 

not saying it happens
But to be aware of other factors that can drive prices up rather than just buying in blindly .
I own a piece and would benifit from the high valuations but as I have been collecting for a long time now
Can see certain trends

its like the aim market sometimes , herds following

yes other factors exist, but they aren't that likely to be whats driving to much of Stiks jump. Considering the book sales alone, you know theres some serious interest out there. And they just released in the states too so anticipate a lot of interest there. he has the popularity, thats pretty clear, but it seems people are obsessed with the idea its some big snow job. 

i like AIM so i won't knock that either, been ok for me. but thats a totally different situation and not really at all related to art or even the art markets far as I'm concerned. 

[tartarus]

Jun 12, 2016 14:26:02 GMT 1 FЯ said:

Jun 12, 2016 14:24:11 GMT 1 tartarus said:

Thats just pure assumption on your part and i assume with nothing at all to back it up. Isn't that just how someone develops a career in art? He releases things, he uses the interest it generates, and he does things that get attention. you seem to be sure there is something bad here, when in fact its just an artist generating interest by doing the things an artist does. You just seem to have a huge negative spin to it all. 

Blind if people do not think all artists put things into auction.
why do you think you see things from banksy at auction no one has seen before.

Im not sure what you mean, i havnt said artists don't, i havnt even said Stik didn't. 

[FЯ]

Jun 12, 2016 14:50:48 GMT 1 tartarus said:

Jun 12, 2016 14:26:02 GMT 1 FЯ said:

Blind if people do not think all artists put things into auction.
why do you think you see things from banksy at auction no one has seen before.

Im not sure what you mean, i havnt said artists don't, i havnt even said Stik didn't. 

Just used your quote to make the post. Im agreeing with you though

[Deleted]

Blue lovers edition of 50 sold for £8500 on eBay today. 

[met]

Jun 12, 2016 14:24:09 GMT 1 @bren said:

Jun 12, 2016 14:12:04 GMT 1 tab1 said:

There's no denying he has a market but before the baby prints were released . any prints listed sold slowly when listed and were no way near £2500- £3000 that the baby prints were selling for soon after a release.
Liberty prints after a release hung around for a couple of hundred above cost , then took a year and a half to reach over £1000


Stik book released
Baby print released straight away high secondary value x5
Charity auction
Then two high end auctions

Pr / marketing to get to these prices

Always brings me back to this i read a good few years back, books called the tipping point,  (lots of words, sorry)


© Malcolm Gladwell, 2000

For Hush Puppies, the Tipping Point - that one dramatic moment in an epidemic, when everything can change all at once - came somewhere between late 1994 and early 1995.

The brand had been all but dead until that point. Sales of the classic American brushed-suede shoes with the lightweight cr*pe sole were down to 30,000 pairs a year, mostly to backwoods outlets and small-town family stores. Wolverine, the company that makes Hush Puppies, was thinking of phasing out the shoes that made them famous. But then something strange happened. At a fashion shoot, two Hush Puppies executives - Owen Baxter and Geoffrey Lewis - ran into a stylist from New York, who told them that the classic Hush Puppies had suddenly become hip in the clubs and bars of downtown Manhattan.


"We were being told," Baxter recalls, "that there were re-sale shops in the Village, in Soho, where the shoes were being sold. People were going to the little stores that still carried them." Baxter and Lewis were baffled at first. It made no sense to them that shoes that were so obviously out of fashion could make a comeback.

By the autumn of 1995, things began to happen in a rush. First, the designer John Bartlett called. He wanted to use Hush Puppies in his spring collection. Then another Manhattan designer, Anna Sui, called, wanting shoes for her show. In Los Angeles, the designer Joel Fitzgerald put a 25ft inflatable basset hound - the symbol of the Hush Puppies brand - on the roof of his Hollywood store and gutted an adjoining art gallery to turn it into a Hush Puppies boutique.

In 1995, the company sold 430,000 pairs, and the next year it sold four times that, and the year after that still more, until Hush Puppies were once again a staple of the wardrobe of the young American male. In 1996, Hush Puppies won the prize for best accessory at the Council of Fashion Designers awards dinner, and the president of the firm stood up on the stage with Calvin Klein and Donna Karan and accepted an award for an achievement that - as he would be the first to admit - his company had almost nothing to do with.

How did that happen? Those first few kids, whoever they were, weren't deliberately trying to promote Hush Puppies. They were wearing them precisely because no one else would wear them. Then the fad spread to two designers, who used the shoes to peddle something else - high fashion. The shoes were an incidental touch. No one was trying to make Hush Puppies a trend. Yet, somehow, that's exactly what happened. The shoes passed a certain point in popularity and they tipped. How does a $30 pair of shoes go from a handful of downtown Manhattan hipsters and designers to every mall in America in the space of two years?

The best way to understand the Hush Puppy boom, or the transformation of unknown books into bestsellers, or the rise of teenage smoking, or any number of the other mysterious changes that mark everyday life, is to think of them as epidemics. Ideas, products, messages and behaviours spread just like viruses do. Their chief characteristics - one, contagiousness; two, the fact that little causes can have big effects; and three, that change happens not gradually but at one dramatic moment - are the same three principles that define how measles moves through a school or flu attacks every winter.

I enjoyed reading this. Thank you.

Regrettably, the integrity of the post is compromised by your inclusion of a dozen separate advertisements for eBáy.

Now, why would you undermine an interesting post — and, by extension, your own reputation — in such a manner?

Is this a sly attempt to bypass the forum ban on links to eBáy auctions? Are you an eBáy stooge? Are you on the take? How much are the bastards paying you?

[Billy Sport]

I noticed typing a PM that artist names were highlighted which then link direct to ebay, I dont think the OP had any control over this.. but I agree, an interesting read...

wow and even typing e bay links to e bay...

[mbilly7]

Jun 13, 2016 23:31:22 GMT 1 @diz said:

Blue lovers edition of 50 sold for £8500 on eBay today. 

I'm pretty sure it didn't.

[Deleted]

Jun 14, 2016 10:47:10 GMT 1 mbilly7 said:

Jun 13, 2016 23:31:22 GMT 1 @diz said:

Blue lovers edition of 50 sold for £8500 on eBay today. 

I'm pretty sure it didn't.

im pretty sure it did...

[mbilly7]

Jun 14, 2016 11:32:28 GMT 1 @diz said:

Jun 14, 2016 10:47:10 GMT 1 mbilly7 said:

I'm pretty sure it didn't.

im pretty sure it did...

I'm sure we'll see it for sale again in the Bristol area.

[mbilly7]

May 20, 2016 21:39:05 GMT 1 Coach said:

May 20, 2016 21:06:17 GMT 1 @diz said:

Seems to me that it's the people who don't own them that's the ones always bringing up prices,

Funnily enough, it doesn't seem that way to me!

Nor me.

[Deleted]

Jun 14, 2016 18:43:02 GMT 1 mbilly7 said:

Jun 14, 2016 11:32:28 GMT 1 @diz said:

im pretty sure it did...

I'm sure we'll see it for sale again in the Bristol area.

Nope it sold

[mbilly7]

Jun 14, 2016 18:49:31 GMT 1 @diz said:

Jun 14, 2016 18:43:02 GMT 1 mbilly7 said:

I'm sure we'll see it for sale again in the Bristol area.

Nope it sold

and you know that because?

[Deleted]

Jun 14, 2016 0:15:42 GMT 1 met said:

Jun 12, 2016 14:24:09 GMT 1 @bren said:

Always brings me back to this i read a good few years back, books called the tipping point,  (lots of words, sorry)


© Malcolm Gladwell, 2000

For Hush Puppies, the Tipping Point - that one dramatic moment in an epidemic, when everything can change all at once - came somewhere between late 1994 and early 1995.

The brand had been all but dead until that point. Sales of the classic American brushed-suede shoes with the lightweight cr*pe sole were down to 30,000 pairs a year, mostly to backwoods outlets and small-town family stores. Wolverine, the company that makes Hush Puppies, was thinking of phasing out the shoes that made them famous. But then something strange happened. At a fashion shoot, two Hush Puppies executives - Owen Baxter and Geoffrey Lewis - ran into a stylist from New York, who told them that the classic Hush Puppies had suddenly become hip in the clubs and bars of downtown Manhattan.


"We were being told," Baxter recalls, "that there were re-sale shops in the Village, in Soho, where the shoes were being sold. People were going to the little stores that still carried them." Baxter and Lewis were baffled at first. It made no sense to them that shoes that were so obviously out of fashion could make a comeback.

By the autumn of 1995, things began to happen in a rush. First, the designer John Bartlett called. He wanted to use Hush Puppies in his spring collection. Then another Manhattan designer, Anna Sui, called, wanting shoes for her show. In Los Angeles, the designer Joel Fitzgerald put a 25ft inflatable basset hound - the symbol of the Hush Puppies brand - on the roof of his Hollywood store and gutted an adjoining art gallery to turn it into a Hush Puppies boutique.

In 1995, the company sold 430,000 pairs, and the next year it sold four times that, and the year after that still more, until Hush Puppies were once again a staple of the wardrobe of the young American male. In 1996, Hush Puppies won the prize for best accessory at the Council of Fashion Designers awards dinner, and the president of the firm stood up on the stage with Calvin Klein and Donna Karan and accepted an award for an achievement that - as he would be the first to admit - his company had almost nothing to do with.

How did that happen? Those first few kids, whoever they were, weren't deliberately trying to promote Hush Puppies. They were wearing them precisely because no one else would wear them. Then the fad spread to two designers, who used the shoes to peddle something else - high fashion. The shoes were an incidental touch. No one was trying to make Hush Puppies a trend. Yet, somehow, that's exactly what happened. The shoes passed a certain point in popularity and they tipped. How does a $30 pair of shoes go from a handful of downtown Manhattan hipsters and designers to every mall in America in the space of two years?

The best way to understand the Hush Puppy boom, or the transformation of unknown books into bestsellers, or the rise of teenage smoking, or any number of the other mysterious changes that mark everyday life, is to think of them as epidemics. Ideas, products, messages and behaviours spread just like viruses do. Their chief characteristics - one, contagiousness; two, the fact that little causes can have big effects; and three, that change happens not gradually but at one dramatic moment - are the same three principles that define how measles moves through a school or flu attacks every winter.

I enjoyed reading this. Thank you.

Regrettably, the integrity of the post is compromised by your inclusion of a dozen separate advertisements for eBáy.

Now, why would you undermine an interesting post — and, by extension, your own reputation — in such a manner?

Is this a sly attempt to bypass the forum ban on links to eBáy auctions? Are you an eBáy stooge? Are you on the take? How much are the bastards paying you?

I get a kick back from every sale made on the internet, its only a small percentage, but it keeps the kids in shoes

i don't know Met if you were referring to my post?  If you were, i have not got a clue what you mean by links to ebay on my post?  I simply copied the bit of the book having searched the tipping point from google

If you were not referring to my post, then i feel rather forlorn,