Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner

[Easy-Z]

Mar 6, 2019 19:58:02 GMT 1 Lroy said:

Mar 6, 2019 19:53:43 GMT 1 Easy-Z said:

Where does one buy the DocoBanksy stuff?

on his Facebook
But not sure that he sells still a lot as before ...
It depends ...

Yeah just looked at his page. Don't see anything for sale (may not be able to see as I am not FB friends). 

[Lroy]

Not sure that he is still selling these stickers ..
I will pm you his Facebook , you will ask him ..

[dogstar]

Absolutely nothing at all to do with Banksy.

Utterly worthless tat.

[Lroy]

Mar 7, 2019 1:39:35 GMT 1 dogstar said:

Absolutely nothing at all to do with Banksy.

Utterly worthless tat.

Of course, we are agree and Doco Banksy also. He just loves this dface tenner composition and all the context ...
As all the parodies... ( not not Banksy , etc .. )!
Just really nuce Stickers

[Shoot Again]

I have one (unsigned) with bullet proof provenance if anyone is tempted please PM me ...

[Shoot Again]

I have one with bullet proof provenance if anyone is tempted please PM me

[Lroy]

May 10, 2019 18:34:34 GMT 1 Shoot Again said:

I have one (unsigned) with bullet proof provenance if anyone is tempted please PM me ...

There is a member here that wrote a thread 3 or 5 days ago about a tenner and some Banksy posters ..
What is a bullet proof ahah 💥 ?

[Easy-Z]

Mine, for show only. Business cards set on back for picture only to hide sender and receiver on envelope.

[met]

May 11, 2019 2:36:28 GMT 1 Easy-Z said:

Mine, for show only. Business cards set on back for picture only to hide sender and receiver on envelope.

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If the above item was sold to you as a genuine Di-Faced Tenner actually signed by Banksy, then get a PayPal refund or reverse the credit card transaction.

Plenty of these fakes (in your case with a scanned signature) have been sold on eBay, via other online auction platforms, and by so-called street art galleries. On very rare occasions, the seller is actually honest and correctly describes what they're selling as a reproduction.


Check out the following links (plenty of others also exist):

urbanartassociation.com/thread/151609/banksy-di-faced-tenner-sale




www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/signed-banksy-di-faced-tenner-531925331




www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/banksy-signed-di-faced-tenner-502272758




www.amazon.com/reproduction-banksy-tenner-princess-di-faced/dp/b00idyqq4y





*** For anyone having difficulty comparing the signatures, note the top of the 'K' in "Banksy" and the fact it always touches the first letter 'R' in the word "currency".



In addition, see this excellent thread started by Oski:

urbanartassociation.com/thread/124752/banksy-tenner-real-fake-comparison

[Easy-Z]

May 11, 2019 3:27:22 GMT 1 met said:

May 11, 2019 2:36:28 GMT 1 Easy-Z said:

Mine, for show only. Business cards set on back for picture only to hide sender and receiver on envelope.

[...]



[...]

If the above item was sold to you as a genuine Di-Faced Tenner actually signed by Banksy, then get a PayPal refund or reverse the credit card transaction.

Plenty of these fakes (in your case with a scanned signature) have been sold on eBay, via other online auction platforms, and by so-called street art galleries. On very rare occasions, the seller is actually honest and correctly describes what they're selling as a reproduction.


Check out the following links (plenty of others also exist):

urbanartassociation.com/thread/151609/banksy-di-faced-tenner-sale




www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/signed-banksy-di-faced-tenner-531925331




www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/banksy-signed-di-faced-tenner-502272758




www.amazon.com/reproduction-banksy-tenner-princess-di-faced/dp/b00idyqq4y





*** For anyone having difficulty comparing the signatures, note the top of the 'K' in "Banksy" and the fact it always touches the first letter 'R' in the word "currency".



In addition, see this excellent thread started by Oski :

urbanartassociation.com/thread/124752/banksy-tenner-real-fake-comparison

I paid nothing for it. It was gifted for my efforts in protecting the Rain Girl in New Orleans. Could it be fake, I don't know. Though considering how I ended up with it, I would hope not. Truly curious and not being snarky, what gives you the impression it is scanned? And consistent placement of the lettering, is that truly a sign of fake or just where it fell with repetitive signing? 

[Easy-Z]

I read the thread, thanks for the link. Not sure what I am missing. From cell phone camera and flashlight I can't see the obvious issue.

[juni0209]

What would be a fair price for one with good provenance?

[Lroy]

I heard that most of the signed tenners were fake ?
True or not ?

[jay4077]

May 11, 2019 4:36:27 GMT 1 Easy-Z said:

Truly curious and not being snarky, what gives you the impression it is scanned? And consistent placement of the lettering, is that truly a sign of fake or just where it fell with repetitive signing? 

It's the exact same signature in the exact same spot. There's not even 1mm difference. That clearly tells me that they are reproductions (fakes).

[Jalouse Rosemont]

May 11, 2019 10:45:43 GMT 1 jay4077 said:

May 11, 2019 4:36:27 GMT 1 Easy-Z said:

Truly curious and not being snarky, what gives you the impression it is scanned? And consistent placement of the lettering, is that truly a sign of fake or just where it fell with repetitive signing? 

It's the exact same signature in the exact same spot. There's not even 1mm difference. That clearly tells me that they are reproductions (fakes).

Thats why the recent Not Not Banksy piece... "It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" is sooooooo apt.

[Easy-Z]

May 11, 2019 10:45:43 GMT 1 jay4077 said:

May 11, 2019 4:36:27 GMT 1 Easy-Z said:

Truly curious and not being snarky, what gives you the impression it is scanned? And consistent placement of the lettering, is that truly a sign of fake or just where it fell with repetitive signing? 

It's the exact same signature in the exact same spot. There's not even 1mm difference. That clearly tells me that they are reproductions (fakes).

I agree that is a red flag. Would that imply all fakes came from the same one note as they all have the same exact signature in same spot. Seems just as odd to me that all fakes would have come from the same original to all land exactly the same. Is it possible that is commonly where it fell on originals, so naturally where it falls on fakes as well? Do any of the ones people have from Laz fall there or are they all in different spots? 

[dogstar]

May 11, 2019 4:36:27 GMT 1 Easy-Z said:

May 11, 2019 3:27:22 GMT 1 met said:

If the above item was sold to you as a genuine Di-Faced Tenner actually signed by Banksy, then get a PayPal refund or reverse the credit card transaction.

Plenty of these fakes (in your case with a scanned signature) have been sold on eBay, via other online auction platforms, and by so-called street art galleries. On very rare occasions, the seller is actually honest and correctly describes what they're selling as a reproduction.


Check out the following links (plenty of others also exist):

urbanartassociation.com/thread/151609/banksy-di-faced-tenner-sale




www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/signed-banksy-di-faced-tenner-531925331




www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/banksy-signed-di-faced-tenner-502272758




www.amazon.com/reproduction-banksy-tenner-princess-di-faced/dp/b00idyqq4y





*** For anyone having difficulty comparing the signatures, note the top of the 'K' in "Banksy" and the fact it always touches the first letter 'R' in the word "currency".



In addition, see this excellent thread started by Oski :

urbanartassociation.com/thread/124752/banksy-tenner-real-fake-comparison

I paid nothing for it. It was gifted for my efforts in protecting the Rain Girl in New Orleans. Could it be fake, I don't know. Though considering how I ended up with it, I would hope not. Truly curious and not being snarky, what gives you the impression it is scanned? And consistent placement of the lettering, is that truly a sign of fake or just where it fell with repetitive signing? 

I guarantee you it's fake. Even the note itself is fake, let alone the signature.

Which begs the question who gave it to you?

[Easy-Z]

This is the one that is mine. After one of the articles on on NOLA.com(I believe) about the Rain Girl and me taking care of her, I was contacted by an artist. Was asked for address and this was sent to me. Free of charge, and told it was real. So either it is real, or the sender had reason to believe it was real, or this person just wanted to make me feel good. Either way I was happy to get it. I will not say who sent it to me as I respect peoples privacy. This person is either connected to the source, or full of shit. Since it wasn't a purchase, I won't blow up their spot. Besides the placement of signature, do you see any other concerns on my bill? I read the whole other forum, But even in person close up I can not see the obvious tells.





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[Pipes]

May 11, 2019 16:11:55 GMT 1 Easy-Z said:

This is the one that is mine. After one of the articles on on NOLA.com(I believe) about the Rain Girl and me taking care of her, I was contacted by an artist. Was asked for address and this was sent to me. Free of charge, and told it was real. So either it is real, or the sender had reason to believe it was real, or this person just wanted to make me feel good. Either way I was happy to get it. I will not say who sent it to me as I respect peoples privacy. This person is either connected to the source, or full ofs**t. Since it wasn't a purchase, I won't blow up their spot. Besides the placement of signature, do you see any other concerns on my bill? I read the whole other forum, But even in person close up I can not see the obvious tells.





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I'm no expert on these - but from a quick look the fact that the signature is exactly the same as the others I would think points to it being a fake I am afraid.

Signatures on the prints have slight variations - this looks exactly the same as mets examples.

[met]

May 11, 2019 4:36:27 GMT 1 Easy-Z said:

I paid nothing for it. It was gifted for my efforts in protecting the Rain Girl in New Orleans. Could it be fake, I don't know. Though considering how I ended up with it, I would hope not. Truly curious and not being snarky, what gives you the impression it is scanned? And consistent placement of the lettering, is that truly a sign of fake or just where it fell with repetitive signing?

May 11, 2019 4:57:35 GMT 1 Easy-Z said:

I read the thread, thanks for the link. Not sure what I am missing. From cell phone camera and flashlight I can't see the obvious issue.

This is a follow-up to my earlier post and to comments since made by others including jay4077 and dogstar.


Signature

It's already been mentioned that the identical Banksy signature on multiple tenners is an issue. The same goes for the identical positioning of that signature on those tenners.

Where we might be in slight disagreement is in terms of the weight attributable to the above evidence. You refer to it being a red flag. I view it as more of a deafening alarm bell — indicating these are reproduction signatures, not hand signatures.


Separately, if your tenner is examined out of its frame in raking light, you'll see it lacks the subtle indentation on the paper / plastic substrate that would normally accompany a signature in ballpoint pen.



Di-Faced Tenner

Regarding the tenner itself, in order to spot a fake, one must know what to look for — elements that either should or should not be present if the tenner were authentic.

This requires being aware of (and familiar with) the printing method chosen to produce genuine tenners: Four-colour process printing using traditional offset lithography.

Each of the CMYK colours has its own plate, and each colour is separately printed in dots at a different screen angle. When done correctly, the overprinted dots form regular patterns, called rosettes.

See this example:





As previously referred to by Oski in his December 2014 thread, an authentic tenner will also have a clearly visible rosette pattern:









When magnified, it's even possible to see the individual dots in C (cyan), M (magenta), Y (yellow) and K (black).

Since fakes will have been produced by scanning genuine tenners (and then printing probably with an inkjet printer), they'll have much less detail. The rosette pattern will be fuzzy, blurred or non-existent.



Try removing your tenner from its frame and looking at it under a magnifying glass in natural light. Alternatively, take a close-up photo in high resolution and zoom in.

What you'll discover is that your tenner won't have the level of detail that a genuine Di-Faced Tenner should.

[Easy-Z]

Thanks for all the info guys. I appreciate the education opposed to the often ridicule you see on the threads. The flowers on back of my bill do look better with this picture than my previous post. But I see the other issues.

[Deleted]

May 11, 2019 20:44:53 GMT 1 met said:

May 11, 2019 4:36:27 GMT 1 Easy-Z said:

I paid nothing for it. It was gifted for my efforts in protecting the Rain Girl in New Orleans. Could it be fake, I don't know. Though considering how I ended up with it, I would hope not. Truly curious and not being snarky, what gives you the impression it is scanned? And consistent placement of the lettering, is that truly a sign of fake or just where it fell with repetitive signing?

May 11, 2019 4:57:35 GMT 1 Easy-Z said:

I read the thread, thanks for the link. Not sure what I am missing. From cell phone camera and flashlight I can't see the obvious issue.

This is a follow-up to my earlier post and to comments since made by others including jay4077 and dogstar.


Signature

It's already been mentioned that the identical Banksy signature on multiple tenners is an issue. The same goes for the identical positioning of that signature on those tenners.

Where we might be in slight disagreement is in terms of the weight attributable to the above evidence. You refer to it being a red flag. I view it as more of a deafening alarm bell — indicating these are reproduction signatures, not hand signatures.


Separately, if your tenner is examined out of its frame in raking light, you'll see it lacks the subtle indentation on the paper / plastic substrate that would normally accompany a signature in ballpoint pen.



Di-Faced Tenner

Regarding the tenner itself, in order to spot a fake, one must know what to look for — elements that either should or should not be present if the tenner were authentic.

This requires being aware of (and familiar with) the printing method chosen to produce genuine tenners: Four-colour process printing using traditional offset lithography.

Each of the CMYK colours has its own plate, and each colour is separately printed in dots at a different screen angle. When done correctly, the overprinted dots form regular patterns, called rosettes.

See this example:





As previously referred to by Oski in his December 2014 thread, an authentic tenner will also have a clearly visible rosette pattern:









When magnified, it's even possible to see the individual dots in C (cyan), M (magenta), Y (yellow) and K (black).

Since fakes will have been produced by scanning genuine tenners (and then printing probably with an inkjet printer), they'll have much less detail. The rosette pattern will be fuzzy, blurred or non-existent.



Try removing your tenner from its frame and looking at it under a magnifying glass in natural light. Alternatively, take a close-up photo in high resolution and zoom in.

What you'll discover is that your tenner won't have the level of detail that a genuine Di-Faced Tenner should.

Spot on. Brilliant post.

[.dappy]

... linking the threads ...

urbanartassociation.com/thread/156016/banksy-difaced-tenners-british-museum?page=3

[sfnyc]

Met, spot on, i just checked mines with relief!!
But should that info be available publicly?

[Deleted]

May 12, 2019 9:53:20 GMT 1 sfnyc said:

Met, spot on, i just checked mines with relief!!
But should that info be available publicly?

its ok for the likes of Met to provide valuable informatiom to give owners assurance but its not ok to provide it to prospective buyers who may buy a dud ?

Im glad you are relieved 😊

[sfnyc]

May 12, 2019 10:09:11 GMT 1 @kintoreton said:

May 12, 2019 9:53:20 GMT 1 sfnyc said:

Met, spot on, i just checked mines with relief!!
But should that info be available publicly?

its ok for the likes of Met to provide valuable informatiom to give owners assurance but its not ok to provide it to prospective buyers who may buy a dud ?

Im glad you are relieved 😊

Well maybe not googable, like in a section for registered users only?

[Deleted]

May 12, 2019 11:26:43 GMT 1 sfnyc said:

May 12, 2019 10:09:11 GMT 1 @kintoreton said:

its ok for the likes of Met to provide valuable informatiom to give owners assurance but its not ok to provide it to prospective buyers who may buy a dud ?

Im glad you are relieved 😊

Well maybe not googable, like in a section for registered users only?

Looking at balance of probabilities I’d say Mets post is more likely to assist an innocent prospective purchaser of a dud ten spot than assisting a top end faker.

You think that the registered members on here are all upstanding citizens of the community ?

[Rouen Cathedral]

Who’s to say banks didn’t reproduce the signed ‘fake’ ones and send them out?

[Hairbland]

May 13, 2019 1:19:32 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Who’s to say banks didn’t reproduce the signed ‘fake’ ones and send them out?

Why don’t you pause for a second, take a deep breath, and then read what you posted.

[Easy-Z]

May 13, 2019 1:19:32 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Who’s to say banks didn’t reproduce the signed ‘fake’ ones and send them out?

One could argue 1 sheet was singed, and the rest were copied if that was what you are implying.