[ADC]

Nov 6, 2022 21:33:51 GMT 1 kjg said:

Nov 6, 2022 20:46:16 GMT 1 Man from Castle said:

Do you think it is a fake? The colors do not seem similar to the original to me. Can someone help me ?

Yes, I will be more than happy to help you out. This one is as fake as my grandmother’s teeth. Hopefully you didn’t pay too much for it. 

I have actually seen some of these before. The person who had them was a long standing member on this forum and there definitely are some legit ones of these out there. They were sent out as invites. That being said, the one pictured may not be one of those.

[Man from Castle]

Nov 6, 2022 23:09:42 GMT 1 ADC said:

Nov 6, 2022 21:33:51 GMT 1 kjg said:

Yes, I will be more than happy to help you out. This one is as fake as my grandmother’s teeth. Hopefully you didn’t pay too much for it. 

I have actually seen some of these before. The person who had them was a long standing member on this forum and there definitely are some legit ones of these out there. They were sent out as invites. That being said, the one pictured may not be one of those.

All trying to fool us like crazy  I would really like to see an original one. this does not seem to be. The paper cut and colors are a little weird. Too good to be true...

[more]

An essay by Federico Rebecchini about The false Di-Faced Tenner, which is the counterfeiting of a counterfeit, is just one of the many pieces that allow the Bristol artist to sell his originals at such high prices.

[MGK1]

I have a genuine Di-Faced Tenner for sale. Worked at Lazarides for many years and was given a handful when I left. Will accompany it with a letter detailing the provenance and a payslip. Happy for the buyer to inspect in London / compare to COAs etc. £700 firm

[Daniel Silk]

Easy to see why the market for these Banksy Tenners is so confusing to unsuspecting collectors. Not by Banksy.

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363590016778

[Daniel Silk]

DFace Tenners? 🧐 Did DFace have any involvement in the Di-Faced Tenners!

"D*Face x Banksy, Di Faced Tenners"

www.fairart.io/artworks/d*face/1224/banksy/1229/di-faced-tenners/48371

[Daniel Silk]

Looks like still plenty of collectors willing to bid large sums for Banksy Tenners on ebay. Auctions with bids going over 1k

www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=banksy+tenner

[Monochrome Junkie]

I have seen this for sale and although its from a known gallery I just wanted to ask for advice reference the Lazarides letter as i have seen others with a thumb mark etc to the bottom right (as you look at the picture) however this one does not have it. Its originally from BNG.


www.eyelikeart.co.uk/collections/banksy/products/banksy-di-faced-tenner-1

[antony]

Hello,

All seems correct. The BNG coa haven t got the Steve's magic finger !!

[Monochrome Junkie]

Many thanks, really appreciated. 

[random.jes]

I'm considering to buy a Di-faced tenner from a private, what is a decent price in your opinion?
The Di-faced has a C.O.A. by Dope Gallery LTD, is it fine? 
[Edit] I just searched in this post and I noticed that is not a safe source

What do you think about this auction? www.ebay.it/itm/403952599718 
The user already sold some di-faced and this is suspect to me. 

Thanks!

[Street Arted 2020]

Dec 13, 2022 16:03:06 GMT 1 random.jes said:

I'm considering to buy a Di-faced tenner from a private, what is a decent price in your opinion?
The Di-faced has a C.O.A. by Dope Gallery LTD, is it fine? 
[Edit] I just searched in this post and I noticed that is not a safe source

What do you think about this auction? www.ebay.it/itm/403952599718 
The user already sold some di-faced and this is suspect to me. 

Thanks!

Lots of fake coas from DOPE gallery. Beware of fake

[Street Arted 2020]

[gus]

Dec 18, 2022 23:13:07 GMT 1 Street Arted 2020 said:

How much for one these fakes? 
probably can’t afford a real one so 

[MGK1]

Nov 14, 2022 18:19:54 GMT 1 MGK1 said:

I have a genuine Di-Faced Tenner for sale. Worked at Lazarides for many years and was given a handful when I left. Will accompany it with a letter detailing the provenance and a payslip. Happy for the buyer to inspect in London / compare to COAs etc. £700 firm

Still got one if anyone's interested?

[random.jes]

I read on "ABOUT BUYING A FAKE VERSION OF A COUNTERFEIT £10 NOTE"* that the dimensions must be exactly 7.62 x 14.61 cm.

Do you know if sizes above are correct? On some other websites I found diffrente dimensions, for instance here www.deodato.art/en/di-faced-tenner.html

I misured mine and the shorter side looks fine, while the longer is a couple of millimiters less.

Thanks!

*https://img-journal.unibo.it/article/view/12605

[yakyak]

I've been looking at these for a little while, I think these are fakes along with many on eBay ☹️

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115794459821?hash=item1af5e33cad:g:QecAAOSwrCpkU-a8&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwE1VkvopGrytPqKETyJNUaju0Q%2FdwK0SOusFwmucILFf9fITs7xaQ1h8fprFkmhwmJvt3hB%2BXR%2BsovdXiXOnjzPwEh5MmVtFvp0fG%2BBe67WVpqtMaHpIWdDtV3rnVt57awX0INy5D36ApIOX7ERLD0kgIDcp4Yz9FZRek8htInKI3ltu%2BTd18PB8r1pIAuztLIY0ozYAbdLErT59ESkaUZ6FYRtksu7FOB4rDL8qs9wXyczwyE2eAwaz%2Bt8%2BduXWfQ%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_7Lzd-CYg

[Man from Castle]

100% fake

[StickOut]

Personally I’d be sceptical about any mint condition one that was sourced from one of the stunts.

[met]

May 13, 2023 17:42:23 GMT 1 yakyak said:

I've been looking at these for a little while, I think these are fakes along with many on eBay ☹️

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115794459821?hash=item1af5e33cad:g:QecAAOSwrCpkU-a8&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwE1VkvopGrytPqKETyJNUaju0Q%2FdwK0SOusFwmucILFf9fITs7xaQ1h8fprFkmhwmJvt3hB%2BXR%2BsovdXiXOnjzPwEh5MmVtFvp0fG%2BBe67WVpqtMaHpIWdDtV3rnVt57awX0INy5D36ApIOX7ERLD0kgIDcp4Yz9FZRek8htInKI3ltu%2BTd18PB8r1pIAuztLIY0ozYAbdLErT59ESkaUZ6FYRtksu7FOB4rDL8qs9wXyczwyE2eAwaz%2Bt8%2BduXWfQ%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_7Lzd-CYg

May 13, 2023 23:08:15 GMT 1 Man from Castle said:

100% fake

May 14, 2023 0:26:08 GMT 1 StickOut said:

Personally I’d be sceptical about any mint condition one that was sourced from one of the stunts.

As a general preliminary comment, multiple threads on this topic appear to have been merged into a single thread by Admin, but sadly very late in the day — rather than promptly, after the duplicate threads were created, and before they started taking on extended lives of their own.

Notwithstanding the intention of good housekeeping, the result from this delayed action has been greater incoherence, with various now-overlapping posts from different threads making previously-straightforward discussions more difficult to follow.

In addition, thread-page numbers cited in a couple of earlier posts are now confusingly out‑of‑date, and the merging has also turned some previously-posted thread links into dead links.


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yakyak


1.  No need to look at those Di‑Faced Tenners on eBay for too long.

As stated by Man from Castle, they are counterfeit.



2.  In case the tip is helpful, with links to eBay listings, look out for the relevant item number in the URL.

When the item number is followed by a question mark, both the question mark and everything afterwards can be removed, for a more concise URL:


www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115794459821



3.  After a listing has ended, most of the eBay platforms (including .com and .co.uk) delete the listing details after three months.

Going forward, especially with a dodgy seller, please consider also posting a screenshot of the listing, so that your post retains its value as a warning to forum members beyond this three-month period.

Typing out the user ID of a dishonest eBayer is helpful as well. This makes it easier for that username to be remembered by others, and it might also be picked up later on search-engine results pages.



4.  Do check out some of the previous pages in this thread.

Pages 103‑108* have a fair amount of information about what to look out for with Banksy Di‑Faced Tenners.

They also mention some sellers/galleries that are worth avoiding.


[You will spot, for example, rather shrill posts by @mauriceuk — who is both dishonest (with a history of selling or trying to sell fake Banksy ephemera) and an ideal case study for the Dunning‑Kruger effect.

He deleted his account, just as he has done with many other accounts here, but keeps coming back under different guises.

Be wary of any current Netherlands-based member trying to sell a Di‑Faced Tenner. Or a Monkey Parliament poster. Or a Rude Snowman Christmas card.]



5.  My suggestion would be to largely ignore the backstories that accompany any Di‑Faced Tenners you see for sale. In addition, avoid focusing too much on note dimensions and weight.


Simplest way to identify most fakes on the market:


Pay attention to Diana's face, keeping in mind that authentic notes are offset lithographs (and not inkjets, for example).

With the offset lithography printing process, you should be able to see the rosette patterns on Diana's face and elsewhere on the note.

When examined even closer (perhaps with the help of a magnifying glass), the individual CMYK dots in cyan, magenta, yellow, and black should also be clearly visible.


In cases where a seller hasn't provided in-focus, hi-res, close-ups of Diana's face, ask for them. And if the seller refuses this image request or unduly hesitates, then walk away.



6.  Consider the eBay listing by stimulating‑things (a.k.a. Stimulating‑Creations), apparently named Charlie and based in the Bristol area.


www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115794459821


Two notes for £450:











It is always worth checking an eBay seller's recently-completed listings.

In this instance, stimulating-things appears to have sold another pair of notes for £600 on 7 May 2023:






Next, let's take the best-quality photo from the listing, one that features Diana's face, then zoom in and juxtapose it with close‑ups of an authentic note in my possession.

For the images below, the close‑ups:

(i)  on the left, are one of the fake notes being sold by stimulating‑things; and

(i)  on the right, are of my own note.










7.  Hopefully, the above will be of assistance.

The idea behind this post and plenty of others in the thread (including many currently found on pages 103‑108) is to give members the requisite knowledge — to teach them how to fish, if you will.

Those members then have all the necessary tools to make their own informed judgements about the authenticity of notes they come across, without further need for additional advice, guidance or hand-holding:


Informed independence > Ignorant dependence

[random.jes]

Thanks Met for your post! What about the size? As mentioned in my post above I have some doubt about it. Thanks! 

[met]

Feb 13, 2023 10:47:06 GMT 1 random.jes said:

I read on "ABOUT BUYING A FAKE VERSION OF A COUNTERFEIT £10 NOTE"* that the dimensions must be exactly 7.62 x 14.61 cm.

Do you know if sizes above are correct? On some other websites I found diffrente dimensions, for instance here www.deodato.art/en/di-faced-tenner.html

I misured mine and the shorter side looks fine, while the longer is a couple of millimiters less.

Thanks!

*img-journal.unibo.it/article/view/12605

May 14, 2023 20:59:01 GMT 1 random.jes said:

Thanks Met for your post! What about the size? As mentioned in my post above I have some doubt about it. Thanks!

Do give thought to the second sentence in point 5 of my earlier post.

I would put it to you that focusing on the dimensions of Di‑Faced Tenners is unnecessary.

That is perhaps also an unhelpful distraction from what I consider to be the key test of authenticity (see further below).


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If I may go off on a momentary tangent, it is worth keeping in mind that — when spouted with confidence — disinformation, misinformation, misleading half‑truths and complete nonsense can often be mistaken for the truth. And even more so if published, whether in hard copy or on the internet.

In our capacity as media consumers, the duty we each have to ourselves is to continually seek out all the available evidence. To question everything. This, as opposed to blind faith, or relying on assumptions — including the not‑uncommon, default assumption that providers of information are actually informed, competent and honest.



Regarding the links you posted:


1.  After clicking the Deodato Arte link, I discovered it was for a gallery website. I myself would rarely attribute much weight to the technical specifications provided by potentially-conflicted individuals and entities whose primary objective is to offload product.

Moreover, in this particular case, the low‑res images of their Di‑Faced Tenner look suspicious to me. At least based on those images, the gallery appears to be selling a fake.



2.  When the IMG Journal essay on the Di‑Faced Tenner stated, "The characteristics it must have are: [...] Dimensions of exactly 7.62 x 14.61 cm." (i.e. down to one‑tenth of a millimetre exactly, with no room for exceptions), that blanket assertion sounded ignorant of the printing process, and rather foolish.

It leads me to conclude the author, along with the editors of the journal itself, failed in their responsibilities to fully think through this text.



I, for example, know that my own note is genuine, and measures Y x Z cm.

But it would be intellectually lazy and unwise of me to make the leap of then presuming that (for the above reasons alone) every other genuine note must therefore also measure Y x Z cm precisely.



From the existence of the signed, limited edition of full sheets of uncut Banksy Di‑Faced Tenners, my understanding is the notes were orginally printed in sheets of 10 — and then guillotined into individual notes.

As such, it should not be surprising if there may be minor discrepancies in the dimensions of each note.


[Likewise, there may be minor discrepancies in weight, or in the CMYK dot‑pattern distribution of the different notes from the same sheet of 10.]


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random.jes


The key test of authenticity for your Di‑Faced Tenner is the presence or non‑presence of individual CMYK dots from the offset lithography printing process.

To this date, even the best fakes I've seen, including many sold by Dope! Gallery / roisaintlouis, have always been some form of digital‑print reproduction.



With your note, using a decent camera in natural light, take some in‑focus, hi‑res close‑up photos of Diana's face.

If that note is genuine, the individual dots in cyan, magenta, yellow and black should be clearly visible when you zoom in and examine it closely.

Such dots will not be individually and clearly visible on a counterfeit.

[Someone Like You]

This is Hi res immagine from Deodato website, can not see any dots.

[snoozy]

May 15, 2023 19:48:09 GMT 1 Someone Like You said:

This is Hi res immagine from Deodato website, can not see any dots.

The photo needs to be very close up, zoomed and high resolution, not like the photo shown.

I've pmd you a pic of mine.

[random.jes]

Thanks Met for the detailed aswer, I know that the exact size in the article looks weird, the cut could not be always pefecr, but when checking mine I read this article and I had this doubt.

[met]

May 15, 2023 22:14:44 GMT 1 random.jes said:

Thanks Met for the detailed aswer, I know that the exact size in the article looks weird, the cut could not be always pefecr, but when checking mine I read this article and I had this doubt.

You are welcome.


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Below is the level of detail found on authentic Di‑Faced Tenners when examined up‑close.

Note the CMYK dots in cyan, magenta, yellow and black.

These become individually and clearly visible as one zooms in:

[hnkpnk]

May 15, 2023 17:53:51 GMT 1 met said:

...

I would put it to you that focusing on the dimensions of Di‑Faced Tenners is unnecessary.

...    

The dimension of the paper or the dimension of the print could be of interest even if it's almost impossible to measure.

To replicate a Banksy tenner without the original digital file (or an original sheet of ten tenners) you would be missing the bleed. So either you have to zoom the artwork (and get a slightly larger print) or (if printed 1:1) trim the paper to a smaller size to not get any white edges.

[met]

May 17, 2023 11:04:55 GMT 1 hnkpnk said:

May 15, 2023 17:53:51 GMT 1 met said:

...

I would put it to you that focusing on the dimensions of Di‑Faced Tenners is unnecessary.

...    

The dimension of the paper or the dimension of the print could be of interest even if it's almost impossible to measure.

To replicate a Banksy tenner without the original digital file (or an original sheet of ten tenners) you would be missing the bleed. So either you have to zoom the artwork (and get a slightly larger print) or (if printed 1:1) trim the paper to a smaller size to not get any white edges.

Point duly taken, though my comment was more about emphasis — and the simple test that collectors should focus their attention on if they fear they may have acquired a counterfeit.



Given the only fakes I've seen to date have all been digital-print reproductions, taking in‑focus, hi‑res, close‑up photos of a Di‑Faced Tenner is the only action currently necessary:

When authentic notes are examined closely, the CMYK dots from the offset lithography process will be individually and clearly visible. That will not be the case with fakes.

[Happy Go Lucky Chap]

Anyone have any info on recent sale prices for BNG framed tenners? I had been selling one a while back but the buyer went all quiet on me. Mine has all the provenance from BNG, purchase emails, paperwork, even the box it was delivered in.

[Monochrome Junkie]

Are you still selling?