[realart]

THE RAFFLE IS ON PLEASE HELP XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150206043440&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=005

[slowmo]

Hate to tell you this, ebay don't allow raffles, so they'll eventually chuck you off.

pages.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/listing-bonus-prize-giveaway-raffle.html

[realart]

ITS BEEN ON FOR OVER 4 DAYS AND THEY SEEM TO THINK ITS FINE..... EVEN PAYPAL HAVE WAIVED A LARGE PERCENT OF THE FEES FOR ME ,SO I LOOKS LIKE JOBS A GOOD UN

[Va Va Voom]

Good luck with this Realart,am sure Banksy would approve that his work benefits a worthy cause. +1

[yapsey]

good work buddy - a good cause indeed!!

[fartofthestate]

Sadly that door will be rusted out in 10 years and will just be a hunk of paintless rust.

[holden]

Listing unavailable??
Its gone?

[BME]

Hey Holden, I think it's been moved. Here's the new link.

cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150205095695&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=005

[mydeaddogwontwoof]

fartofthestate said:

Sadly that door will be rusted out in 10 years and will just be a hunk of paintless rust.

Maybe, but for a quid who gives a fuck?, it was always destined to be a hunk of paintless rust at some point in time, but, thanks to a bit of foresight, instead of rotting away in a field somewhere, it is serving a purpose by raising cash for a worthy cause, at the end of the day, by entering this raffle, you may or may not get your hands on a bit of Banksy memorabilia, but who gives a shit, it's not what this is all about, it's about putting your hands in your pocket and helping others.

[realart]

ive had to relist the item because some wanker reported it for using the word raffle so ive changed it to appeal. as for the rust mr fartofthestate ive been in contact with a metal specialist and he has told me what i need to do to preserve it for ever which i will do.i have two links on ebay for this but i cant change the other one because it has bids so only use the one below. ........ MUTEDOG THANKS FOR THE KIND WORDS MATE +1...... COME ON GUYS LETS MAKE IT REALLY TAKE OFF CHEERS JOHN & EMMA



cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150207052305&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=005

[top]

Keep at it realart (john)!

..will look and do what i can later bud..

[will1]

just bought a few, good luckhope you raise plenty

[alsbabar]

this is total wank, I do not agree with this auction or with someone, who in essense is stealing, what is not theres, irrespective to the cause or intention. What this person is doing is profiteering and using charity as a front for it. Also realart, has no right to take away any part of this work, it doesnt belong to him. While I appreciate it beats it turning into some rusty pile of crap, so what, that was what Banksy intended and for sometime has provided the landscape and others with a great source of enjoyment. By doing this, it will encourage others to go around London/Bristol, tear pieces of art off walls and try and sell them on ebay.

If Banksy wanted his works to raise money for good causes, then he would do it himself, case in example Santas Ghetto Bethlehem

[yapsey]

i take it all the bidders from the old listing will still be drawn in the new one??

and yeah - come on people , a quid for petes sake!! - put your hand in your pocket!!!!

[realart]

THEY WILL BE REFUNDED THROUGH PAYPAL ASAP......alsbabar your a nasty jealous person,if you get time pull your head out your ass..........

[alsbabar]

now why the fuck would i need to be jealous of you selling a car door? If you want to raise money for a good cause, why dont you donate one of your own prints/art rather than steal something that doesnt belong to you?

[alsbabar]

oooooh stop negging me, or else i'm gonna cry

[mydeaddogwontwoof]

alsbabar said:

now why the f**k would i need to be jealous of you selling a car door? If you want to raise money for a good cause, why don't you donate one of your own prints/art rather than steal something that doesn't belong to you?

Alsabar, stop being such a drama queen dude, it's a scrap car that has been dumped in a field for fucks sake!, stealing?, from whom?, it's not been chiseled from someones property or stolen from their garage, i get pretty pissed off seeing banksy's work tagged/buffed/chiseled/whatever.... this old thing however is fair game in my opinion, it's seen better days, and it's remaining days are numbered, why not preserve a piece of it & raise some money for a good cause at the same time?

[alsbabar]

because IMO its not, simple. Sell your own piece of art, not something that doesnt belong to you.

So what if it has seen better days, its part of a landscape and has been there for a long enough time, before some opportunist comes along and tries to profiteer from it, perhaps I will go to Shoreditch and rip an original off some wall, and put the piece of work on ebay - would you object to that?

You all talk like you know Banksy, or that he would want people like Realart to do exactly as he is. Its bullshit and I dont agree with it, and if you dont like my opinion, dont read it!!

[alsbabar]

ooops Realart, deleted your email without reading by mistake!!!

[realart]

the car was pushed into a corner with all the other scrap cars waiting to be scrapped ,what else could i do. ive been there at least 15 times before and left it where it was because it was in the original position, when i seen it had been turned over and moved i had to act.

[realart]

oh and i havent negged you so put your toys back in your pram and dry your eyes xxxx

[realart]

alsbabar ,how did you manage to neg me twice in half an hour,two accounts under two names i might wonder

[BunnyBoiler]

How do we know the money will definitely go to THE WESSEX MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS SOCIETY?!! Doesn't ebay have a charity icon when its a charity listing?

[alsbabar]

realart i didnt neg you, if i did, i would tell you. I also dont need another account to rip into you, you are a too easy a target with one account.

See sarcasm goes right over your head also - i dont give a shit for the negging system, its one of the bad features on this site, it encourages cowardism. Plus I think I might and try and beat Jboy to get the all time neg points!!!

[kiki]

realart said:

THEY WILL BE REFUNDED THROUGH PAYPAL ASAP......alsbabar your a nasty jealous person,if you get time pull your head out your ass..........

realart,

My view is that alsbabar raised some valid points. I don't believe your initial response of simply calling him/her a "nasty jealous person" was particularly helpful. It came across as unprofessional and it didn't inspire me with much confidence.

Separately, do many people on this forum know you personally? I ask because I don't know you from Adam and the first thought that came into my mind when I saw your eBay listing was that it sounded like a scam. This is in no way an accusation. It is simply an observation based on experience.

Could you explain to forum members what comfort you are able to provide that the funds you raise raise will actually go to charity and that the raffle draw will be a fair one? Do you have an independent body in place to confirm this, or are you asking people here to just trust you?

[realart]

hang on a moment let me get this right you think that i would organise a raffle for multiple sclerosis then keep the money. you do realise that my fiancee suffers from MS do you. im shocked. ......... and saddened by that.....you dont have to trust me if you dont want too its your call, enough people obviously believe me,not as many as i would like to make a real difference to the ms society but better that than sat on my ass waiting for someone else to try and help her and all the others like her.i just hope none of you ever get in thier position...As for your question do i know many people on the forum personaly.No i dont . look its simple im not holding agun to your head to buy a ticket its up to you................ I DID`NT LEARN MUCH WHEN I WAS KID BUT I DID LEARN FROM MY PARENTS TO TREAT PEOPLE THE WAY YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED YOURSELF ........

[alsbabar]

realart said:

I DID`NT LEARN MUCH WHEN I WAS KID BUT I DID LEARN FROM MY PARENTS TO TREAT PEOPLE THE WAY YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED YOURSELF ........

what your parents taught you, when someone expresses there opinion, you insult them?

I think its great that you want to raise money for charity, but I dont agree with you doing it by taking something that doesnt belong to you, and trying to make out you are on some crusade about it. If you want to inspire others, then why dont you raffle your own art and then donate the monies to charity, that to me is a much bolder statement and will inspire me to buy multiple raffle tickets. As it is, what you are doing is pretty low and cheap!!!

[kiki]

realart said:

hang on a moment let me get this right you think that i would organise a raffle for multiple sclerosis then keep the money. you do realise that my fiancee suffers from MS do you. im shocked. ......... and saddened by that.....you dont have to trust me if you dont want too its your call, enough people obviously believe me,not as many as i would like to make a real difference to the ms society but better that than sat on my ass waiting for someone else to try and help her and all the others like her.i just hope none of you ever get in thier position...As for your question do i know many people on the forum personaly.No i dont . look its simple im not holding agun to your head to buy a ticket its up to you................ I DID`NT LEARN MUCH WHEN I WAS KID BUT I DID LEARN FROM MY PARENTS TO TREAT PEOPLE THE WAY YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED YOURSELF ........

realart,

Would it be correct to assume from your response that you are asking forum members to just accept your word at face value?

If so, you may wish to reconsider since you are likely to generate greater interest and raise more money for your charity if you deal with this in a different manner. Independent verification and/or the direct participation of your charity with a contact telephone number, etc. would be preferable.

Anyone who reads the papers, listens to the news on the radio or watches it on television will be able to tell you that fraud under the guise of charity takes place on a daily basis.

Have you not heard the stories of con artists claiming to raise money for Aids or cancer charities? They too have the same shocked and indignant reaction as you when they are questioned. "What? Don't you trust me? I'm raising money for cancer!! How can you be so cold? How can you be so uncaring and cynical?!"

Do you not remember all of the bogus internet charity messages claiming to be collecting donations for the Asian tsunami disaster in 2004-2005? There are also hundreds (if not, thousands) of examples of fraudsters and fake charity websites collecting money on the premise that it is going to orphanages, relief efforts, etc. in war-torn countries.

Such scams really are commonplace. I am actually very surprised that either you are not aware of this (in which case, try Googling "charity" + "fraud") or you have consciously chosen to not take it into consideration. A cautious and wary reaction to your eBay listing from people like myself who don't know you is normal. Any other reaction is naive and foolhardy.

In the higher interest of your charity, my suggestion to you would be that you calm down, take a step back and re-think your approach. In your position, I would make damn sure that I could prove to anyone who asked that the money they were contributing would be going to charity.

[Separately, I must admit that I do not understand the relevance of the last sentence of your above post.]

[realart]

like i said im not forcing you to buy a ticket. as for your best mate alsabar goes is it normal to say fxxk off you cxxt on a personal message,well out of order.