[dazarino]

Quite right. I think its dolks finishing that makes his canvases jump out at you and idea painter is a great example. I have a vandal canvas among a lot of originals from forum favourite artists on here and its by far the most stunning. Unfortunatly its almost impossible to replicate it in a print especially when the textures are missing and the size is reduced so much. The guy has serious talent but maybe you have to see his original work to appreciate it. Just my opinion

Apart from the jesus canvas....that was just crap lol

[R0B]

May 1, 2014 13:53:12 GMT 1 Mordecai said:

May 1, 2014 13:45:45 GMT 1 BKBOI said:

wait till you see the secondary market and you'll truly realise who the real morons are.

What? The market is flooded with unsold Dolk-prints?

Edit: How many more we need lying in plastic sleeves under the bed? We`re talking 300! And honestly, how many do you actually gets framed and to a wall?

Edit2: My best advice; want these prints and not lucky tuesday? Wait a while before you buy it on ebay! My guess, if patient enough you`ll get it close to selling price. 

Show me some sold prices on eBay around cost for Dolk..... Its gone crazy, especially the decent stuff like Zooicide - £1500+ these prints like most established artist will increase over 3-4 years....

[dazarino]

I think it will always unfortunatly take a few years for prints to find a happy home and on a wall.dont see many of his early work being frequently available and when it does its normally already framed. Supply and demand are showing his prices will only rise

Tell me what dolk fan here would not break the bank for a teddy riot? Rare as rocking horse sh*t

[Mordecai]

May 2, 2014 11:15:14 GMT 1 R0B said:

May 1, 2014 13:53:12 GMT 1 Mordecai said:

What? The market is flooded with unsold Dolk-prints?

Edit: How many more we need lying in plastic sleeves under the bed? We`re talking 300! And honestly, how many do you actually gets framed and to a wall?

Edit2: My best advice; want these prints and not lucky tuesday? Wait a while before you buy it on ebay! My guess, if patient enough you`ll get it close to selling price. 

Show me some sold prices on eBay around cost for Dolk..... Its gone crazy, especially the decent stuff like Zooicide - £1500+ these prints like most established artist will increase over 3-4 years....

Please, this is a highly wanted Dolk-print from 2008. At that time there werent as many flippers as today.

And crazy? Check Punk is now unsold for £410 and grafitti remover unsold £550. I just took a quick search...

If you buy it for £350, add shipping and taxes. Then you are gonna sell it, you could also add fees... Well, you need to wait a long time to make it worth the effort...

You could also asume that 50 % of the buyers tuesday are flippers.... This will affect the market!

Edit: My only point is buy it if you like it! Cuz I do not think the flipping business will be as lucrative as once was.

[Poster Bob]

By unsold for £410 what you mean is that it is currently bid up to £410. Graffiti Remover is a shit print. No argument there.

I have never been charged taxes on a Dolk print and they charge shipping at below cost.

No, 50% of the buyers are not flippers. Few of the prints come to market on the secondary when you look at the total print run.

[Mordecai]

Well, we can't know for sure, can we, but it makes me wonder when prints sold in 2008 is still lying around unframed... And check the latest Zacharevic. Of 55 sold already 8 has been listed on eBay, and I know of at least four who are saving theirs for selling later on...

Again, I am just saying I don't think it's easy making money flipping prints any more...

I like Dolk, and I am gonna try get one Tuesday. To frame it.

[R0B]

May 2, 2014 12:21:00 GMT 1 Mordecai said:

May 2, 2014 11:15:14 GMT 1 R0B said:

Show me some sold prices on eBay around cost for Dolk..... Its gone crazy, especially the decent stuff like Zooicide - £1500+ these prints like most established artist will increase over 3-4 years....

Please, this is a highly wanted Dolk-print from 2008. At that time there werent as many flippers as today.

And crazy? Check Punk is now unsold for £410 and grafitti remover unsold £550. I just took a quick search...

If you buy it for £350, add shipping and taxes. Then you are gonna sell it, you could also add fees... Well, you need to wait a long time to make it worth the effort...

You could also asume that 50 % of the buyers tuesday are flippers.... This will affect the market!

Edit: My only point is buy it if you like it! Cuz I do not think the flipping business will be as lucrative as once was.

There were as many flippers back in 2008 as there are now! no doubt about that.

[Shoeless]

bacon.

[Shoeless]

and if one of you flippers want to do a good deed, i won't be around for the release and would like one please.

[kunstrasen]

May 2, 2014 13:03:20 GMT 1 R0B said:

There were as many flippers back in 2008 as there are now! no doubt about that.

Are you sure? To me it seems there is a bit more of everything these days...more collectors, more prints, bigger editions...and more flippers as well. Might be mistaken tough.

[Mordecai]

May 2, 2014 13:05:57 GMT 1 kunstrasen said:

May 2, 2014 13:03:20 GMT 1 R0B said:

There were as many flippers back in 2008 as there are now! no doubt about that.

Are you sure? To me it seems there is a bit more of everything these days...more collectors, more prints, bigger editions...and more flippers as well. Might be mistaken tough.

Well, I am thinking same as you, Kunstrasen, but when Rob says "no doubt about that".... I would always listen closely to a man who argues in such a briliant way

[R0B]

May 2, 2014 13:28:50 GMT 1 Mordecai said:

May 2, 2014 13:05:57 GMT 1 kunstrasen said:

Are you sure? To me it seems there is a bit more of everything these days...more collectors, more prints, bigger editions...and more flippers as well. Might be mistaken tough.

Well, I am thinking same as you, Kunstrasen, but when Rob says "no doubt about that".... I would always listen closely to a man who argues in such a briliant way

Well I still struggle to buy good prints I want from source and this hasn't changed for many years. Where there is a profit to be made will always attract the flippers. Its nothing new.

[dazarino]

The scene is definatly gaining popularity I think we can all agree on that. Some print drops are not lasting even a minute now even when the editions are over 250.i do know that more and more galleries are buying these off the drop but even they might stuggle getting hold of this dolk release.

Will someone get him some bacon lol

[rexxington]

depends on the image / artist, Os Gem and RETNA are relatively recent examples of secondary market strength while some artists' work commands generally flat secondary pricing irrespective of the image such as Penny or Faile. Artists are marketing closer to demand as we are now seeing higher pricing and larger editions

[daveart]

As I recall .. Back in the day.. Dolk prints like 'I am your father'. Were for sale for many months .. Yes MONTHS.. without selling out and were for sale at like 60 or 70 gbp. I am sure there were lots of flippers back then but I don't think Dolk was quite on the radar yet. it was a much different scene back then.. Hard to say if it was better or worse .. Just different

[Deleted]

May 2, 2014 18:00:47 GMT 1 daveart said:

As I recall .. Back in the day.. Dolk prints like 'I am your father'. Were for sale for many months .. Yes MONTHS.. without selling out and were for sale at like 60 or 70 gbp. I am sure there were lots of flippers back then but I don't think Dolk was quite on the radar yet. it was a much different scene back then.. Hard to say if it was better or worse .. Just different

Try years,

pig and balaclava were released in 2010 and were still availble from hpm last year.

[daveart]

Good point Toast. hard to imagine we went from that to people expecting things to sell out in five minutes or it's a crap image . . how embarrassing for an artist to take a day or two to sell out .. Ha

[Deleted]

I can remember when Banksy prints used to be available on the POW website for ages and ages.

That was all long ago now though!

[Mordecai]

Actually I think prints and print flipping has been a lot longer in the UK than other countrys.. (i am not british)

[love]

Dolk is so booooring, can't believe some of you hype him.

[FЯ]

May 2, 2014 13:05:57 GMT 1 kunstrasen said:

May 2, 2014 13:03:20 GMT 1 R0B said:

There were as many flippers back in 2008 as there are now! no doubt about that.

Are you sure? To me it seems there is a bit more of everything these days...more collectors, more prints, bigger editions...and more flippers as well. Might be mistaken tough.

'Merica.

i said in 2007 on here that once the US caught up it would kick off.
alas they did bringing a new breed.

cue expresso beaners.

[dazarino]

May 2, 2014 18:45:18 GMT 1 love said:

Dolk is so booooring, can't believe some of you hype him.

Everyone has an opinion I suppose he does have some mental canvases which are far from boring. Check out "rest in piece" (rip) not my cup of tea but you might prefer it

[Deleted]

May 2, 2014 18:45:18 GMT 1 love said:

Dolk is so booooring, can't believe some of you like him.

Just amended your post to one that makes sense!

Dolk isn't some unknown artist who needs help to sell his prints. There haven't been any posts here just to 'hype' him just posts saying if they rate his stuff or not. Some people like him and some don't. He'll sell these prints in a split second regardless of what anyone on an art forum thinks.

[Manty]

May 2, 2014 18:56:05 GMT 1 dazarino said:

May 2, 2014 18:45:18 GMT 1 love said:

Dolk is so booooring, can't believe some of you hype him.

Everyone has an opinion I suppose he does have some mental canvases which are far from boring. Check out "rest in piece" (rip) not my cup of tea but you might prefer it

I quite like Dolk

Preferred his bits when they were cheaper

Plus i have lost two bits of his I bought from HMP, don't know where they went, had them, then couldn't find them. I should complain to him about my loss.  

[BKBOI]

Flippers = Day Traders.... They are an integral part of the market.

[alittle]

pig and balaclava sat in the shop so long because they are terrible images.

[Deleted]

May 2, 2014 18:47:05 GMT 1 FЯ said:

May 2, 2014 13:05:57 GMT 1 kunstrasen said:

Are you sure? To me it seems there is a bit more of everything these days...more collectors, more prints, bigger editions...and more flippers as well. Might be mistaken tough.

'Merica.

i said in 2007 on here that once the US caught up it would kick off.
alas they did bringing a new breed.

cue expresso beaners.

I recall you saying precisely that and you were correct at the time.

[barryh]

May 1, 2014 17:32:27 GMT 1 Sweetcorn said:

May 1, 2014 11:06:23 GMT 1 barryh said:

Many do, how is a projector cheating but a stencil not ?

any cnut can colour in the lines

Cool, smart arse response without actually answering the question

[dazarino]

Hey ling...im going for an idea painter as well. Will ask my gf to try for one for you if I can

[fingerz]

if per chance you wanted both editions would it have to be two transactions or can you cart both and check out ....... ?