[iamzero]

Float mounting would only add 25 to 50mm to the overall size? Most new prints I find have gone big lately for some reason?

[sohohoho]

Oct 21, 2013 13:25:41 GMT 1 iamzero said:

Float mounting would only add 25 to 50mm to the overall size? Most new prints I find have gone big lately for some reason?

My post was in reply to why the prints aren't full bleed. Also probably to keep them looking like prints. They wouldn't want to piss off those who have paid £10k now would they

[mreeves]

Here's my number 9 framed, I managed to mount it not sure what everyone thinks? It is a massive print, but looks incredible on the wall. 

[Briggs 74]

i went down to multiplied yesterday to have a look at the print and to be honest, seeing it in person really put me off. the composition and concept behind the images are great imo but i can't get past the fact that it's really just a signed poster. last week i managed to get one of the Lyken x Moneyless colab ap's and the level of hand finishing and original touches is vast, so i couldn't justify the lack of the artist's hand in this series.
still a nice image though....

[Deleted]

Looks great that.

[sohohoho]

Oct 21, 2013 14:05:46 GMT 1 Briggs 74 said:

i went down to multiplied yesterday to have a look at the print and to be honest, seeing it in person really put me off. the composition and concept behind the images are great imo but i can't get past the fact that it's really just a signed poster. last week i managed to get one of the Lyken x Moneyless colab ap's and the level of hand finishing and original touches is vast, so i couldn't justify the lack of the artist's hand in this series.
still a nice image though....

Fair point but giclee is the most accurate way of reproducing this series. If there was another way, production costs would be a hell of a lot more. Saying that, giclee at this size is not cheap and when you take into consideration the cost of paper, labour and arranging to have the prints signed, £175 really isn't a bad deal. (I bought the Lyken x Moneyless print too. £100 was beyond a bargain for what it is!)

[iamzero]

I saw it at Multiplied and thought it looked great, can't wait to get it framed and hung.

[mawge]

Looks great mreeves
Need to get my hands on one of these!

[balubza]

Oct 20, 2013 18:38:35 GMT 1 @delloy said:

Number 11 (pic courtesy of umbongo)

When was this released? Such a beauty!

[Gard]

I told myself that I should stop buying prints, but I love these Borfs, couldn't resist.

[kbfrombk]

Oct 21, 2013 21:08:08 GMT 1 @ling said:

Oct 21, 2013 21:06:49 GMT 1 @delloy said:

Was exclusively available at the Multiplied print fair in London 18 - 21st October

Will be available online soon.

Oy thank you

[balubza]

Oct 21, 2013 21:06:49 GMT 1 @delloy said:

Oct 21, 2013 19:21:40 GMT 1 balubza said:

When was this released? Such a beauty!

Was exclusively available at the Multiplied print fair in London 18 - 21st October

Ah, then well. Thanks for the info! Do you know who I should contact enquiring if there are any unsold? Outsiders? 

edit: Nevermind, read the whole thread again and got the info I was out after!

[Happy Shopper]

Only the first one's been released online.
The other 2 should be soon. No need to be buying on secondary market yet!

[Deleted]

Oct 20, 2013 17:05:08 GMT 1 Graham H said:

If only I'd known..got there early and left a couple hours ago.

shame I missed you umbongo

g

Oct 20, 2013 15:10:28 GMT 1 @sonnyone said:

Just popping down to multiply to secure one (more likely both) of these.

I'll get some pictures of the two new editions and post then when I'm back...

Anyone down there to meet for a coffee/beer?

Damn shame, it'd be nice to meet in person one day after the many PM's and emails. Catch you soon, hopefully!

O, and thanks to @delloy for posting the pics

[M]

Oct 21, 2013 16:05:15 GMT 1 sohohoho said:

Oct 21, 2013 14:05:46 GMT 1 Briggs 74 said:

i went down to multiplied yesterday to have a look at the print and to be honest, seeing it in person really put me off. the composition and concept behind the images are great imo but i can't get past the fact that it's really just a signed poster. last week i managed to get one of the Lyken x Moneyless colab ap's and the level of hand finishing and original touches is vast, so i couldn't justify the lack of the artist's hand in this series.
still a nice image though....

Fair point but giclee is the most accurate way of reproducing this series. If there was another way, production costs would be a hell of a lot more. Saying that, giclee at this size is not cheap and when you take into consideration the cost of paper, labour and arranging to have the prints signed, £175 really isn't a bad deal. (I bought the Lyken x Moneyless print too. £100 was beyond a bargain for what it is!)

i thought that silkscreen gloss is a cheap trick to sell all edition until i saw it by myself. It gives deep to this piece 

[DameHoracia]

Oct 25, 2013 20:52:26 GMT 1 M said:

Oct 21, 2013 16:05:15 GMT 1 sohohoho said:

Fair point but giclee is the most accurate way of reproducing this series. If there was another way, production costs would be a hell of a lot more. Saying that, giclee at this size is not cheap and when you take into consideration the cost of paper, labour and arranging to have the prints signed, £175 really isn't a bad deal. (I bought the Lyken x Moneyless print too. £100 was beyond a bargain for what it is!)

i thought that silkscreen gloss is a cheap trick to sell all edition until i saw it by myself. It gives deep to this piece 

Cheaper maybe but not more accurate. If you're using professionals to screen the print for you as most artists do these days then accuracy isn't the reason they chose to use this way of producing the image. A way to save money probably, but it isn't to do with quality whatever people tell you.  Giclees are flat, doesn't matter that these days the choice of colours that can be printed are amazing, they're still lifeless. The sheen will make it pop, make it feel as though it has some depth to it.

So the glaze or whatever they do to add that sheen by using a traditional printing process will probably help that flatness of colour as well as (I believe) to state that it has been 'screened' or hand embellished which somehow is supposed to give it more relevance as a piece of art and not a poster.  I think those Borfs are amazing, but It is a cheap trick.

There are many other traditional ways to produce prints like that, not only giclee.  It's a shame that this way of producing art is so freely used now and for such hiked up prices.  I would have purchased one if it had been created using a traditional printing method because they could have been mind blowing - thinking of how RAE uses screen printing process - his work looks and feels like each print is an original because of his technique used.  Please don't be fooled into thinking that this process is an art process, it is not.  It's a real bug bear of mine.  Go to a print studio and try screen printing from start to fin and then print from a computer screen you will see what that difference it.

I don't see the point of giclees, over priced, over rated and they belong in Ikea and I think any artist or gallery using this process should hang their heads in shame - or call it what it is, a poster signed. But each to their own, just surprised people keep on falling for it.

[M]

agree with you. I know who is guilty: Photography. Life changes

[JD]

I have some great Adam Neate giclees
Never understood the snobbery to be honest

[M]

Oct 25, 2013 21:24:03 GMT 1 M said:

agree with you. I know who is guilty: Photography. Life changes

guilty: Photography and..... Vik Muniz if low-tech illusionist create giglee then It is about time to changed my mind. 

[DameHoracia]

Please.
Nothing to do with snobbery. It's about the actual process and production of art using traditional method/processes that produce the best result of the image being created for the artist and ultimately the collector/customer.



Each to there own ducky.

[Happy Shopper]

One point... these are giclee, but not over priced! Pretty reasonable for a print that size, in a fairly small edition.

But, I really don't think you can achieve that type of image with screen printing or lythography (which IS used for posters as well as fine art prints).

Both would require a CMYK process, which would mean fine dots when looked at closely (and not so fine dots with Screen Printing)... you don't get that with Giclee... you get smooth gradients.

Yes, a gloss varnish is a trick to make the colours deeper, blacks blacker, but it's only the same effect as putting it under glass anyway, so really they may as well not bother.

[daveart]

dang.. the more i look at these the more i like them. if anyone has one of the Rothko series and is regretting the purchase or dreading the framing cost... drop me a message..

[Dice]

There's a canvas at the brutal show that looks incredible, loads of layers.

[iamzero]

This one?

[Dice]

That be it, nice

[tobaum]

Oct 20, 2013 16:38:12 GMT 1 Gard said:

Love this series. They look amazing in the flesh, the originals is even better. Any more originals out there? Here's mine  (sorry for the crappy photo)

This one is amazing!

[iamzero]

Woah..... That is the tits.

[MGK1]

I should have my BORF before too long...

[LAZARIDES]

Rothko’s Modern Life (Seven) and Rothko’s Modern Life (Eleven) are the latest prints from BORF’s corresponding series of painting which debuted at The Outsiders Newcastle in summer 2012.

“As I matured my teenage suspicion of Mark Rothkoʼs abstract paintings turned to appreciation,” explains BORF, “he was creating paintings about human tragedy, ecstasy, doom; about the world, even though they were devoid of figure or subject matter. They were emotional and honest. What I had initially reacted against was the establishment status that the art market had given Rothkoʼs works. Graffiti is youthful expression and Rothko is adult expression, but both are pitted against each other more by market forces than anything else.”

Join us on Wednesday at 4pm GMT for one of the most anticipated – and admired – print drops of the year. The prints are made to exactly the same specifications as the previously editioned Rothko’s Modern Life (Nine) and priced correspondingly too at £175 each.

BORF | Rothko's Modern Life (Seven)

100cm x 80cm
Giclée print with silkscreen gloss on Somerset White Satin 330gsm paper
Signed and Numbered Edition of 75
£175



BORF | Rothko's Modern Life (Eleven)

100cm x 80cm
Giclée print with silkscreen gloss on Somerset White Satin 330gsm paper
Signed and Numbered Edition of 75
£175


www.theoutsiders.net

[mawge]

Canny wait!