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New BANKSY stall, by daveart on Nov 14, 2018 17:02:23 GMT 1, quick. name another famous artist that has used a Swastika in a piece of art this year. And spare me the deeper meaning tirades as that wasnt the question. Despite whatever deeper meaning you can finagle out of your brain the fact of the image remains. Trump does this well.. embeds words and phrases and then backpedals to his actual self selected meaning by lets say wall papering over the more unsavory parts.. but those parts remain dont' they.
quick. name another famous artist that has used a Swastika in a piece of art this year. And spare me the deeper meaning tirades as that wasnt the question. Despite whatever deeper meaning you can finagle out of your brain the fact of the image remains. Trump does this well.. embeds words and phrases and then backpedals to his actual self selected meaning by lets say wall papering over the more unsavory parts.. but those parts remain dont' they.
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SANDRA CHEVRIER's debut museum solo exhibit, by daveart on Nov 14, 2018 15:03:16 GMT 1, i have always liked her work - and was lucky enough to meet her at a show years back and have a nice talk with her. that said i am not really a fan of the image above - i am just not sure where i would hang that particular image and the scale is quite large so it would absolutely command attention in a room.
i have always liked her work - and was lucky enough to meet her at a show years back and have a nice talk with her. that said i am not really a fan of the image above - i am just not sure where i would hang that particular image and the scale is quite large so it would absolutely command attention in a room.
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New BANKSY stall, by daveart on Nov 8, 2018 20:05:07 GMT 1, hate to pull everyone away from banging on about a free poster... but.. i'm just and average guy with average awareness of all of this and wanted to leave a comment. Pick your word to start this sentence: (Some, many, most, all ) people that are adamant about removing the wall go on to further steps for what they want to have happen after the wall is down. And (some, many, most, all) people realize that if you remove the wall the next thing these people want is the (shrinking, attack, removal, elimination) of the Jewish state of Israel. So for this reason (some, many, most, all ) people think that talking about removing the wall is only a loss leader in a larger agenda that does not end well for many Jewish people. Sadly that leads me to the point that I believe from my average interest from far away that (some, many, most, all) people wanting to remove the wall are actually using it as part of an agenda that they would rather not be up front about. On that level, i understand Wearology point and I am one of the people that am scratching my head about this and wondering .. is it really just the wall Mr B? ... or is there some larger agenda that you support? Not enough information is given so its easy to brush past the direct interpretation about the wall and get into a deeper interpretation that is quite uncomfortable. I likely have all the Banksy i will ever own already so its not like his market will crash if i stop buying but I still wish he would just come out and state his full intention and agenda. His earlier works on the wall over the years have been kind of fun anti wall.. like what JR did.. this feels different. Maybe this issues is similar to the situation in the USA of having a neighbor fly a confederate flag at their house. You want to believe when they tell you its just to indicate they are a proud Southerner.. but you also kind of begin to think he is actually a racist with an agenda as long as your arm and you then begin to reinterpret his other words and actions. this got longer than intended.. so you can now get back to pixels, sizes, lines and flipping .. Pick your word to complete this sentence - (Some, many, most, all) people that support the construction of the wall, choose to (ignore, disregard, forget, agree with) the fact that many people were displaced from their homes to accommodate the further expansion of Israel. (Some, many, most, all) of those people realize that the longer the wall stays the longer the Palestinian (shrinking, attacks, removal, elimination) continues. So for that reason (some, many, most, all) of those people disagree with the removal of the wall as this would (slow, stop, reduce) the continued (land grab, stealing, occupation, invasion) of Palestinian land and property on a continued basis, that does not end well for the Palestinian people. I think many of the people that support the removal of the wall, would support a return to the agreed 1967 borders after the six day war. All land gained/stolen/occupied after that is illegal under International Law. I think calling anyone that disagrees with any segregation wall or illegal occupation of any part of the world a racist is wrong, disingenuous and has an agenda of their own. absolutely agree with your restatement - and if world renown artist made a colorful piece of art that seemed to inflame that situation and potentially promote a lot of anger and division (see Banksy's instagram feed) i would absolutely throw my 2cents into that topic as well.
A world famous artist took a stab at this and people are going to respond. i assume this is what he wanted. the artist takes on a very complex issue with a very simplistic image i am simply giving an average guys response to the image and my thought on what i would think if i saw it in a friends house. if you have art on your wall that someone questions and you start yelling at them about being ignorant and needing to read long complicated books... i think you lost the field.
i am not telling anyone how to think.. i gave my 2cents on how i interpret this piece of art .. and i did at least a half assed job of backing that up. if you can say with a straight face - "i support all people living in harmony and want all people to live undivided and with full access to a full life" then by all means hang the art. if you get angry when the art is questioned - I think that tells you there may be is a bigger issue at play in your mind.
please feel free to agree or disagree with my 2cents but no need to be uncivil about it. it will not change anything at all and as i mentioned i am an average guy with average interest from a long way away.
hate to pull everyone away from banging on about a free poster... but.. i'm just and average guy with average awareness of all of this and wanted to leave a comment. Pick your word to start this sentence: (Some, many, most, all ) people that are adamant about removing the wall go on to further steps for what they want to have happen after the wall is down. And (some, many, most, all) people realize that if you remove the wall the next thing these people want is the (shrinking, attack, removal, elimination) of the Jewish state of Israel. So for this reason (some, many, most, all ) people think that talking about removing the wall is only a loss leader in a larger agenda that does not end well for many Jewish people. Sadly that leads me to the point that I believe from my average interest from far away that (some, many, most, all) people wanting to remove the wall are actually using it as part of an agenda that they would rather not be up front about. On that level, i understand Wearology point and I am one of the people that am scratching my head about this and wondering .. is it really just the wall Mr B? ... or is there some larger agenda that you support? Not enough information is given so its easy to brush past the direct interpretation about the wall and get into a deeper interpretation that is quite uncomfortable. I likely have all the Banksy i will ever own already so its not like his market will crash if i stop buying but I still wish he would just come out and state his full intention and agenda. His earlier works on the wall over the years have been kind of fun anti wall.. like what JR did.. this feels different. Maybe this issues is similar to the situation in the USA of having a neighbor fly a confederate flag at their house. You want to believe when they tell you its just to indicate they are a proud Southerner.. but you also kind of begin to think he is actually a racist with an agenda as long as your arm and you then begin to reinterpret his other words and actions. this got longer than intended.. so you can now get back to pixels, sizes, lines and flipping .. Pick your word to complete this sentence - (Some, many, most, all) people that support the construction of the wall, choose to (ignore, disregard, forget, agree with) the fact that many people were displaced from their homes to accommodate the further expansion of Israel. (Some, many, most, all) of those people realize that the longer the wall stays the longer the Palestinian (shrinking, attacks, removal, elimination) continues. So for that reason (some, many, most, all) of those people disagree with the removal of the wall as this would (slow, stop, reduce) the continued (land grab, stealing, occupation, invasion) of Palestinian land and property on a continued basis, that does not end well for the Palestinian people. I think many of the people that support the removal of the wall, would support a return to the agreed 1967 borders after the six day war. All land gained/stolen/occupied after that is illegal under International Law. I think calling anyone that disagrees with any segregation wall or illegal occupation of any part of the world a racist is wrong, disingenuous and has an agenda of their own. absolutely agree with your restatement - and if world renown artist made a colorful piece of art that seemed to inflame that situation and potentially promote a lot of anger and division (see Banksy's instagram feed) i would absolutely throw my 2cents into that topic as well. A world famous artist took a stab at this and people are going to respond. i assume this is what he wanted. the artist takes on a very complex issue with a very simplistic image i am simply giving an average guys response to the image and my thought on what i would think if i saw it in a friends house. if you have art on your wall that someone questions and you start yelling at them about being ignorant and needing to read long complicated books... i think you lost the field. i am not telling anyone how to think.. i gave my 2cents on how i interpret this piece of art .. and i did at least a half assed job of backing that up. if you can say with a straight face - "i support all people living in harmony and want all people to live undivided and with full access to a full life" then by all means hang the art. if you get angry when the art is questioned - I think that tells you there may be is a bigger issue at play in your mind. please feel free to agree or disagree with my 2cents but no need to be uncivil about it. it will not change anything at all and as i mentioned i am an average guy with average interest from a long way away.
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New BANKSY stall, by daveart on Nov 8, 2018 17:26:51 GMT 1, Exactly, just because I support the Palestinian people in this situation, doesnt mean I cheared at the Pittsburgh shooting. hate to pull everyone away from banging on about a free poster... but.. i'm just and average guy with average awareness of all of this and wanted to leave a comment.
Pick your word to start this sentence: (Some, many, most, all ) people that are adamant about removing the wall go on to further steps for what they want to have happen after the wall is down. And (some, many, most, all) people realize that if you remove the wall the next thing these people want is the (shrinking, attack, removal, elimination) of the Jewish state of Israel. So for this reason (some, many, most, all ) people think that talking about removing the wall is only a loss leader in a larger agenda that does not end well for many Jewish people.
Sadly that leads me to the point that I believe from my average interest from far away that (some, many, most, all) people wanting to remove the wall are actually using it as part of an agenda that they would rather not be up front about. On that level, i understand Wearology point and I am one of the people that am scratching my head about this and wondering .. is it really just the wall Mr B? ... or is there some larger agenda that you support?
Not enough information is given so its easy to brush past the direct interpretation about the wall and get into a deeper interpretation that is quite uncomfortable. I likely have all the Banksy i will ever own already so its not like his market will crash if i stop buying but I still wish he would just come out and state his full intention and agenda. His earlier works on the wall over the years have been kind of fun anti wall.. like what JR did.. this feels different.
Maybe this issues is similar to the situation in the USA of having a neighbor fly a confederate flag at their house. You want to believe when they tell you its just to indicate they are a proud Southerner.. but you also kind of begin to think he is actually a racist with an agenda as long as your arm and you then begin to reinterpret his other words and actions.
this got longer than intended.. so you can now get back to pixels, sizes, lines and flipping ..
Exactly, just because I support the Palestinian people in this situation, doesnt mean I cheared at the Pittsburgh shooting. hate to pull everyone away from banging on about a free poster... but.. i'm just and average guy with average awareness of all of this and wanted to leave a comment. Pick your word to start this sentence: (Some, many, most, all ) people that are adamant about removing the wall go on to further steps for what they want to have happen after the wall is down. And (some, many, most, all) people realize that if you remove the wall the next thing these people want is the (shrinking, attack, removal, elimination) of the Jewish state of Israel. So for this reason (some, many, most, all ) people think that talking about removing the wall is only a loss leader in a larger agenda that does not end well for many Jewish people. Sadly that leads me to the point that I believe from my average interest from far away that (some, many, most, all) people wanting to remove the wall are actually using it as part of an agenda that they would rather not be up front about. On that level, i understand Wearology point and I am one of the people that am scratching my head about this and wondering .. is it really just the wall Mr B? ... or is there some larger agenda that you support? Not enough information is given so its easy to brush past the direct interpretation about the wall and get into a deeper interpretation that is quite uncomfortable. I likely have all the Banksy i will ever own already so its not like his market will crash if i stop buying but I still wish he would just come out and state his full intention and agenda. His earlier works on the wall over the years have been kind of fun anti wall.. like what JR did.. this feels different. Maybe this issues is similar to the situation in the USA of having a neighbor fly a confederate flag at their house. You want to believe when they tell you its just to indicate they are a proud Southerner.. but you also kind of begin to think he is actually a racist with an agenda as long as your arm and you then begin to reinterpret his other words and actions. this got longer than intended.. so you can now get back to pixels, sizes, lines and flipping ..
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Banksy Full Unsigned LA Set for sale, by daveart on Sept 5, 2018 2:24:23 GMT 1, Why did the markrt drop 30% the overall Banksy market is not down 30% - that's my opinion.
for some reason the forum lets PoserBob state opinions and pose them as facts. which baffles me. Now, had he listed say 20-30 sales comparing a year ago price of the same print in the same condition in the same type of sale and then showed 20-30 current day sales -that showed at least a 30% drop - then that would become 'fact' or at least a well founded opinion. however that I ever see PoserBob never has facts and never backs up what he says with anything other than anger and derision. Which I expect more of here in a few hours.
good luck with the sale.. sell it for whatever you can get..
and if anyone has a 15K Banksy prints from earlier this year that have COA that they want to sell me for 10K .. please PM me.. info and photos. thanks.
Why did the markrt drop 30% the overall Banksy market is not down 30% - that's my opinion. for some reason the forum lets PoserBob state opinions and pose them as facts. which baffles me. Now, had he listed say 20-30 sales comparing a year ago price of the same print in the same condition in the same type of sale and then showed 20-30 current day sales -that showed at least a 30% drop - then that would become 'fact' or at least a well founded opinion. however that I ever see PoserBob never has facts and never backs up what he says with anything other than anger and derision. Which I expect more of here in a few hours. good luck with the sale.. sell it for whatever you can get.. and if anyone has a 15K Banksy prints from earlier this year that have COA that they want to sell me for 10K .. please PM me.. info and photos. thanks.
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Sandra Chevier Sculpture Release , by daveart on Sept 1, 2018 3:47:02 GMT 1, Well - guess I needed to stop in on a busy evening and say โI was wrongโ. I thought theses would sell out and they did not so .. hat in hand.
I donโt think they are as awful as people are saying but they didnโt sell so thatโs that .. carry on ..
Well - guess I needed to stop in on a busy evening and say โI was wrongโ. I thought theses would sell out and they did not so .. hat in hand.
I donโt think they are as awful as people are saying but they didnโt sell so thatโs that .. carry on ..
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Sandra Chevier Sculpture Release , by daveart on Aug 31, 2018 12:59:44 GMT 1, Fair point. i may have gone too far on cost however with really low production runs i would be surprised that you could get custom work done of this type as cheaply as you are saying.. but we are both guessing so probably not worth getting too specific. as already mentioned.. arbitrary .. plug in your own numbers and decide if what she is doing is really worth getting worked up over.
.. you dont think she really gets all the money right ? she has to pay to have them made, shipped,etc so lets say she gets a margin of 20% -30% over producton cost for small batches ? for easy math lets say $50 per item. 600X$50 = $30,000 thats still a lot of money you yell ! but, doesnt her gallery also get paid. ok knock off 1/3 for the gallery to manage the sale and handle customer complaints and shipping.etc. so now she is down to $20,000 - That's a lot of money you yell . but she surely has 100 hours of time in making the art, meetings, planing, working with the company to make the things, promote them sell them. and right back down to $200 an hour over months of planning - or basically - what a plumber charges per hour. She is definitely making $$ on these ..but lets put the pitchforks down and just let her be a successful artist. According to the quality of these pieces, do you really think production costs will extend $50 a piece? Hell no. So the margin of production costs will be much, much more. Rather $250 than $50. COA charges $100 to send a box to Europe, guess there will be some extra margin too. Besides that, Sandra took an existing piece of her earlier work. Not sure if you should count hours of her 'making the art'. She probably just send that piece to Mighty Jaxx who made a toy from it. If she really would have put some time and energy to keep improving this piece of 'art', this couldn't have been the end product. By the way, no offense at all to Sandra or anyone. I love her work, got some lovely pieces of her on my wall, but please don't tell me this ugly piece is about making art instead of making money. It's simply not.
Fair point. i may have gone too far on cost however with really low production runs i would be surprised that you could get custom work done of this type as cheaply as you are saying.. but we are both guessing so probably not worth getting too specific. as already mentioned.. arbitrary .. plug in your own numbers and decide if what she is doing is really worth getting worked up over. .. you dont think she really gets all the money right ? she has to pay to have them made, shipped,etc so lets say she gets a margin of 20% -30% over producton cost for small batches ? for easy math lets say $50 per item. 600X$50 = $30,000 thats still a lot of money you yell ! but, doesnt her gallery also get paid. ok knock off 1/3 for the gallery to manage the sale and handle customer complaints and shipping.etc. so now she is down to $20,000 - That's a lot of money you yell . but she surely has 100 hours of time in making the art, meetings, planing, working with the company to make the things, promote them sell them. and right back down to $200 an hour over months of planning - or basically - what a plumber charges per hour. She is definitely making $$ on these ..but lets put the pitchforks down and just let her be a successful artist. According to the quality of these pieces, do you really think production costs will extend $50 a piece? Hell no. So the margin of production costs will be much, much more. Rather $250 than $50. COA charges $100 to send a box to Europe, guess there will be some extra margin too. Besides that, Sandra took an existing piece of her earlier work. Not sure if you should count hours of her 'making the art'. She probably just send that piece to Mighty Jaxx who made a toy from it. If she really would have put some time and energy to keep improving this piece of 'art', this couldn't have been the end product. By the way, no offense at all to Sandra or anyone. I love her work, got some lovely pieces of her on my wall, but please don't tell me this ugly piece is about making art instead of making money. It's simply not.
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Sandra Chevrier release..........again, by daveart on Aug 31, 2018 12:53:12 GMT 1, ah, poserTrumpBob , having trouble with your own vocabulary? I dont have time to help train you up so i'll assume that you just barf out so much inane anger on here that you dont even listen to yourself.
you somehow confuse 'her peers' with all the "hyperrealist" artists? to parody your oh so text friendly GTFO .. did you forget to ROFL ?. I picked a quick selection of her "PEERS" your word. "PEERS" so wouldnt a short list of artists actually selling and talked about on this forum meet that criteria ?
why dont you take your bullying BS back to the star wars action figure forum from whence you came.
Honestly, you must be kidding. Sir, I cordially invite you to GTFO with that sh*t. Even the worst hyperrealist is leaps and bounds better than her. Your list of contemporaries is full of no-name peasants, excluding Banksy. Spend an evening on Artsy. EVERYONE is better than Sandra. just ran across this gem PB .. so, legit question. which artists currently - in any scene - would you give a canvas, paint, paint brushes and a easel - and give them a few days to paint something.. and in the end .. conclude that Sandra's painting was 'mediocre at best compared to her peers' .. i really am curious becuse personally i can really find that many current artists (her peers) that can actually 'paint' much of anything once you put aside computer graphics etc. FAILE - no Banksy - no Fairey - maybe - but suspect much of his template work is computer output Retna - no ROA - maybe ? i really dont know that the art is free hand Whatson - no Brainwash ..umm no comment Pejac - talented but .. never seen output freehand so unsure Zacharevic - maybe on par .. but i dont think you like him either as i recal.. so seriously .. PB you are on here all the time with your opinions. so, who are these talented artists that can make Sandra look Mediocre at best. i do agree that her 'schtick' was timed well and that she has ridden the wave.. but .. shouldnt she ?
ah, poserTrumpBob , having trouble with your own vocabulary? I dont have time to help train you up so i'll assume that you just barf out so much inane anger on here that you dont even listen to yourself.
you somehow confuse 'her peers' with all the "hyperrealist" artists? to parody your oh so text friendly GTFO .. did you forget to ROFL ?. I picked a quick selection of her "PEERS" your word. "PEERS" so wouldnt a short list of artists actually selling and talked about on this forum meet that criteria ?
why dont you take your bullying BS back to the star wars action figure forum from whence you came.
Honestly, you must be kidding. Sir, I cordially invite you to GTFO with that sh*t. Even the worst hyperrealist is leaps and bounds better than her. Your list of contemporaries is full of no-name peasants, excluding Banksy. Spend an evening on Artsy. EVERYONE is better than Sandra. just ran across this gem PB .. so, legit question. which artists currently - in any scene - would you give a canvas, paint, paint brushes and a easel - and give them a few days to paint something.. and in the end .. conclude that Sandra's painting was 'mediocre at best compared to her peers' .. i really am curious becuse personally i can really find that many current artists (her peers) that can actually 'paint' much of anything once you put aside computer graphics etc. FAILE - no Banksy - no Fairey - maybe - but suspect much of his template work is computer output Retna - no ROA - maybe ? i really dont know that the art is free hand Whatson - no Brainwash ..umm no comment Pejac - talented but .. never seen output freehand so unsure Zacharevic - maybe on par .. but i dont think you like him either as i recal.. so seriously .. PB you are on here all the time with your opinions. so, who are these talented artists that can make Sandra look Mediocre at best. i do agree that her 'schtick' was timed well and that she has ridden the wave.. but .. shouldnt she ?
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Sandra Chevier Sculpture Release , by daveart on Aug 30, 2018 21:03:24 GMT 1, .. you dont think she really gets all the money right ? she has to pay to have them made, shipped,etc so lets say she gets a margin of 20% -30% over producton cost for small batches ? for easy math lets say $50 per item. 600X$50 = $30,000 thats still a lot of money you yell ! but, doesnt her gallery also get paid. ok knock off 1/3 for the gallery to manage the sale and handle customer complaints and shipping.etc. so now she is down to $20,000 - That's a lot of money you yell . but she surely has 100 hours of time in making the art, meetings, planing, working with the company to make the things, promote them sell them. and right back down to $200 an hour over months of planning - or basically - what a plumber charges per hour. She is definitely making $$ on these ..but lets put the pitchforks down and just let her be a successful artist. Those calculations all seem quite arbitrary, but if you're going to net out Sandra's earnings then I think you should do the same for the plumber who charges at the same rate as Sandra's hourly take-home. absolutely arbitrary . i have no inside knowledge of the deal .. you are worried about the plumber comment but not that people are implying Sandra gets all the money from the release? that was the point of the post if it wasnt obvious. She is a hard working successful woman. people seem to have a problem with it.
.. you dont think she really gets all the money right ? she has to pay to have them made, shipped,etc so lets say she gets a margin of 20% -30% over producton cost for small batches ? for easy math lets say $50 per item. 600X$50 = $30,000 thats still a lot of money you yell ! but, doesnt her gallery also get paid. ok knock off 1/3 for the gallery to manage the sale and handle customer complaints and shipping.etc. so now she is down to $20,000 - That's a lot of money you yell . but she surely has 100 hours of time in making the art, meetings, planing, working with the company to make the things, promote them sell them. and right back down to $200 an hour over months of planning - or basically - what a plumber charges per hour. She is definitely making $$ on these ..but lets put the pitchforks down and just let her be a successful artist. Those calculations all seem quite arbitrary, but if you're going to net out Sandra's earnings then I think you should do the same for the plumber who charges at the same rate as Sandra's hourly take-home. absolutely arbitrary . i have no inside knowledge of the deal .. you are worried about the plumber comment but not that people are implying Sandra gets all the money from the release? that was the point of the post if it wasnt obvious. She is a hard working successful woman. people seem to have a problem with it.
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Sandra Chevrier release..........again, by daveart on Aug 30, 2018 20:33:31 GMT 1, When compared to her peers she is mediocre at best. She was lucky and her schtick came out at the height of Marvel's surge in popularity due to those horribly redundant, boring films. The sh*t talking you'll see in this thread is just the standard pre-release nonsense; people saying she's done, she's boring to persuade others not to try and buy it so that they have less competition. I'll buy a pair and flip them on Ebay tonight. Thanks Sandra, you no-talent, fake feminist hack. just ran across this gem PB .. so, legit question. which artists currently - in any scene - would you give a canvas, paint, paint brushes and a easel - and give them a few days to paint something.. and in the end .. conclude that Sandra's painting was 'mediocre at best compared to her peers' .. i really am curious becuse personally i can really find that many current artists (her peers) that can actually 'paint' much of anything once you put aside computer graphics etc.
FAILE - no Banksy - no Fairey - maybe - but suspect much of his template work is computer output Retna - no ROA - maybe ? i really dont know that the art is free hand Whatson - no Brainwash ..umm no comment Pejac - talented but .. never seen output freehand so unsure Zacharevic - maybe on par .. but i dont think you like him either as i recal..
so seriously .. PB you are on here all the time with your opinions. so, who are these talented artists that can make Sandra look Mediocre at best.
i do agree that her 'schtick' was timed well and that she has ridden the wave.. but .. shouldnt she ?
When compared to her peers she is mediocre at best. She was lucky and her schtick came out at the height of Marvel's surge in popularity due to those horribly redundant, boring films. The sh*t talking you'll see in this thread is just the standard pre-release nonsense; people saying she's done, she's boring to persuade others not to try and buy it so that they have less competition. I'll buy a pair and flip them on Ebay tonight. Thanks Sandra, you no-talent, fake feminist hack. just ran across this gem PB .. so, legit question. which artists currently - in any scene - would you give a canvas, paint, paint brushes and a easel - and give them a few days to paint something.. and in the end .. conclude that Sandra's painting was 'mediocre at best compared to her peers' .. i really am curious becuse personally i can really find that many current artists (her peers) that can actually 'paint' much of anything once you put aside computer graphics etc. FAILE - no Banksy - no Fairey - maybe - but suspect much of his template work is computer output Retna - no ROA - maybe ? i really dont know that the art is free hand Whatson - no Brainwash ..umm no comment Pejac - talented but .. never seen output freehand so unsure Zacharevic - maybe on par .. but i dont think you like him either as i recal.. so seriously .. PB you are on here all the time with your opinions. so, who are these talented artists that can make Sandra look Mediocre at best. i do agree that her 'schtick' was timed well and that she has ridden the wave.. but .. shouldnt she ?
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Sandra Chevier Sculpture Release , by daveart on Aug 30, 2018 19:15:43 GMT 1, $195k for 600 pieces of utter toot! Man this release really goes to show the state of "urban art" world in 2018. I can literally hear her laughing all the way to the bank... .. you dont think she really gets all the money right ?
she has to pay to have them made, shipped,etc so lets say she gets a margin of 20% -30% over producton cost for small batches ? for easy math lets say $50 per item. 600X$50 = $30,000 thats still a lot of money you yell ! but, doesnt her gallery also get paid. ok knock off 1/3 for the gallery to manage the sale and handle customer complaints and shipping.etc. so now she is down to $20,000 - That's a lot of money you yell . but she surely has 100 hours of time in making the art, meetings, planing, working with the company to make the things, promote them sell them. and right back down to $200 an hour over months of planning - or basically - what a plumber charges per hour.
She is definitely making $$ on these ..but lets put the pitchforks down and just let her be a successful artist.
$195k for 600 pieces of utter toot! Man this release really goes to show the state of "urban art" world in 2018. I can literally hear her laughing all the way to the bank... .. you dont think she really gets all the money right ? she has to pay to have them made, shipped,etc so lets say she gets a margin of 20% -30% over producton cost for small batches ? for easy math lets say $50 per item. 600X$50 = $30,000 thats still a lot of money you yell ! but, doesnt her gallery also get paid. ok knock off 1/3 for the gallery to manage the sale and handle customer complaints and shipping.etc. so now she is down to $20,000 - That's a lot of money you yell . but she surely has 100 hours of time in making the art, meetings, planing, working with the company to make the things, promote them sell them. and right back down to $200 an hour over months of planning - or basically - what a plumber charges per hour. She is definitely making $$ on these ..but lets put the pitchforks down and just let her be a successful artist.
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Sandra Chevier Sculpture Release , by daveart on Aug 29, 2018 18:15:13 GMT 1, These will sell out same day or next. Sandra has 65K followers on her IG account. pretty sure there's enough people with $300-$400 to spend to snap these up. Plenty of people think $300 is a decent evening out with friends and a bottle of wine or two. Some of you are taking this a bit too seriously and $300 is not a life and death investment decision. These are pretty reasonably priced and really not worth the effort you guys are putting into knocking them and Sandra. It wont impact their selling out IMO and we will know by end of day 31st.
then when they sell out the thundering herd will move on to: 'the buyers are tasteless fools' ok .. i'm pretty sure they dont care. Look all the while people on this forum have been talking about Sandra's demise for two years and she keeps doing more and more and getting more and more recognition for being an artist that gets up, does her best, is pleasant about it, and seems to be a good person. whats all the anxiety about on here? other than just for the sport of being mean spirited about her efforts.
These will sell out same day or next. Sandra has 65K followers on her IG account. pretty sure there's enough people with $300-$400 to spend to snap these up. Plenty of people think $300 is a decent evening out with friends and a bottle of wine or two. Some of you are taking this a bit too seriously and $300 is not a life and death investment decision. These are pretty reasonably priced and really not worth the effort you guys are putting into knocking them and Sandra. It wont impact their selling out IMO and we will know by end of day 31st.
then when they sell out the thundering herd will move on to: 'the buyers are tasteless fools' ok .. i'm pretty sure they dont care. Look all the while people on this forum have been talking about Sandra's demise for two years and she keeps doing more and more and getting more and more recognition for being an artist that gets up, does her best, is pleasant about it, and seems to be a good person. whats all the anxiety about on here? other than just for the sport of being mean spirited about her efforts.
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Borf ๐บ๐ธ Washington DC Graffiti โข Rothko โข John Tsombikos, by daveart on Aug 15, 2018 2:02:43 GMT 1, -- sold pending payment --
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Borf ๐บ๐ธ Washington DC Graffiti โข Rothko โข John Tsombikos, by daveart on Aug 14, 2018 22:23:13 GMT 1, Never got around to framing this and think i'll let it go back out in the wild. Not sure what the market is .. i banged a FAILE dog, Martin Whatson Angel Blue AP and Reta Provocateurs print on the bay earlier and thought this one would probably do better here.. just looking for an offer that makes it worth shipping it out.
Cost on this was (according to EB) $280 + Shipping ..
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Price $300 + Shipping
Has been stored flat but is now in large oversized tube - It is a very large piece. it looked great and pictures looked good but the side had one little handling indent in it. not sure you will notice in the pictures. but for this price i think you can manage around it.
Released: 10/30/13 Run: 75 Technique: Giclee Paper: Somerset White Satin 330gsm pape Size: 31.49 X 39.37 Markings: Signed & Numbered
Never got around to framing this and think i'll let it go back out in the wild. Not sure what the market is .. i banged a FAILE dog, Martin Whatson Angel Blue AP and Reta Provocateurs print on the bay earlier and thought this one would probably do better here.. just looking for an offer that makes it worth shipping it out.
Cost on this was (according to EB) $280 + Shipping ..
So,
Price $300 + Shipping
Has been stored flat but is now in large oversized tube - It is a very large piece. it looked great and pictures looked good but the side had one little handling indent in it. not sure you will notice in the pictures. but for this price i think you can manage around it.
Released: 10/30/13 Run: 75 Technique: Giclee Paper: Somerset White Satin 330gsm pape Size: 31.49 X 39.37 Markings: Signed & Numbered
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New RETNA release 25th at random time at pta, by daveart on Jul 25, 2018 21:34:06 GMT 1,
I dont know Saint. I wish things were this black and white to me .. it would make my life easier overall. Obviously no one is going to defend domestic assault. however, if you read the information about that event it came out as a mutually abusive situation - both parties harmed - both parties got their lawyers and they had it out. To that extent, at least here in America, after that you do your penance, do your time, pay your fine, and for most situations we try to get people back on track in their lives.
If Retna was beating up girls monthly or something as people try to portray here i think he would rightfully be in jail. but he isn't so, maybe this myth has grown a little larger than reality ? The basic fact that he isnt in jail means both parties moved on and that's what people do. if UAA crowd chose they could also find many pictures of Retna working with schools, children, working with Louis Vuitton, SF Ballet, galleries, etc .. so while he can be quite a clown on IG - some people who have a lot more power than use here on UAA have decided he is worth working with. On that note, I dont know that UAA needs to scare off possible collectors with four year old pictures ? worth discussing but thats my thought for this moment.
Obviously Daveart, you are a very nice person. Me not so much. I think domestic abuse is unforgivable and refuse to support any abuser on any level at any time. Socially conscious spending has become a big thing these days on many levels from art to stocks. Personally, I don't believe in the forgive and forget approach when it comes to spending my money. I don't think posting our thoughts scares of any possible collectors but information is the most valuable commodity so maybe it helps some collectors to make a more intelligent decision. Also, there is the fact that if some people are looking at this as an investment Retna's resale market is currently fairly soft. With regards to the people with more power than us on the UAA all I can say is that there will always be whores in the word.
Thanks for the reply. hey, i'll take the compliment. i try to be nice or at least careful in postings on here.
in other sickening news for women of the world. Russia actually recently eliminated laws making it illegal to strike your spouse. What a step back in progress this little gem is. disgusting. and yet.
I dont know Saint. I wish things were this black and white to me .. it would make my life easier overall. Obviously no one is going to defend domestic assault. however, if you read the information about that event it came out as a mutually abusive situation - both parties harmed - both parties got their lawyers and they had it out. To that extent, at least here in America, after that you do your penance, do your time, pay your fine, and for most situations we try to get people back on track in their lives.
If Retna was beating up girls monthly or something as people try to portray here i think he would rightfully be in jail. but he isn't so, maybe this myth has grown a little larger than reality ? The basic fact that he isnt in jail means both parties moved on and that's what people do. if UAA crowd chose they could also find many pictures of Retna working with schools, children, working with Louis Vuitton, SF Ballet, galleries, etc .. so while he can be quite a clown on IG - some people who have a lot more power than use here on UAA have decided he is worth working with. On that note, I dont know that UAA needs to scare off possible collectors with four year old pictures ? worth discussing but thats my thought for this moment.
Obviously Daveart, you are a very nice person. Me not so much. I think domestic abuse is unforgivable and refuse to support any abuser on any level at any time. Socially conscious spending has become a big thing these days on many levels from art to stocks. Personally, I don't believe in the forgive and forget approach when it comes to spending my money. I don't think posting our thoughts scares of any possible collectors but information is the most valuable commodity so maybe it helps some collectors to make a more intelligent decision. Also, there is the fact that if some people are looking at this as an investment Retna's resale market is currently fairly soft. With regards to the people with more power than us on the UAA all I can say is that there will always be whores in the word.
Thanks for the reply. hey, i'll take the compliment. i try to be nice or at least careful in postings on here.
in other sickening news for women of the world. Russia actually recently eliminated laws making it illegal to strike your spouse. What a step back in progress this little gem is. disgusting. and yet.
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New RETNA release 25th at random time at pta, by daveart on Jul 25, 2018 21:17:01 GMT 1, IMAGE IMAGE IMAGE. This is a poor image. Stay away. Despite the negative comments on price.. edition 300 Provocateurs prints are now pushing $3-4K. Any of the older larger prints are going to be double that at least. This is edition 30 and while it is smaller size i dont necessarily think it would make this more valuable if it were twice the size of a sheet of paper. to people saying he is going a new direction.. i think more homework is needed - this image has been used for many years and possibly even pre dates the caligraphy style that most people association Retna with. id have to check that myself. certainly he has used various styles in his art over the years.. quick google search will provide the answers. personally i dont see this as a good buy or a bad buy. could go up .. could go down.. from here so buy what you like.. but i dont think Retna is going away anytime soon
i dont disagree. I didn't buy one. At half the price i probably would have thrown it on the wall just to see if it got better with time. ha.
i dont have any trouble believing it sold out though. i doubt they pulled it early.. they let the other Retna's bounce around for a few days to sell out and in the end they need to sell them to get money. my guess is they sold.
IMAGE IMAGE IMAGE. This is a poor image. Stay away. Despite the negative comments on price.. edition 300 Provocateurs prints are now pushing $3-4K. Any of the older larger prints are going to be double that at least. This is edition 30 and while it is smaller size i dont necessarily think it would make this more valuable if it were twice the size of a sheet of paper. to people saying he is going a new direction.. i think more homework is needed - this image has been used for many years and possibly even pre dates the caligraphy style that most people association Retna with. id have to check that myself. certainly he has used various styles in his art over the years.. quick google search will provide the answers. personally i dont see this as a good buy or a bad buy. could go up .. could go down.. from here so buy what you like.. but i dont think Retna is going away anytime soon
i dont disagree. I didn't buy one. At half the price i probably would have thrown it on the wall just to see if it got better with time. ha.
i dont have any trouble believing it sold out though. i doubt they pulled it early.. they let the other Retna's bounce around for a few days to sell out and in the end they need to sell them to get money. my guess is they sold.
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New RETNA release 25th at random time at pta, by daveart on Jul 25, 2018 17:00:58 GMT 1, Guy beats his girlfriend and people still buy his art. This f**kingworld.
I dont know Saint. I wish things were this black and white to me .. it would make my life easier overall. Obviously no one is going to defend domestic assault. however, if you read the information about that event it came out as a mutually abusive situation - both parties harmed - both parties got their lawyers and they had it out. To that extent, at least here in America, after that you do your penance, do your time, pay your fine, and for most situations we try to get people back on track in their lives.
If Retna was beating up girls monthly or something as people try to portray here i think he would rightfully be in jail. but he isn't so, maybe this myth has grown a little larger than reality ? The basic fact that he isnt in jail means both parties moved on and that's what people do. if UAA crowd chose they could also find many pictures of Retna working with schools, children, working with Louis Vuitton, SF Ballet, galleries, etc .. so while he can be quite a clown on IG - some people who have a lot more power than use here on UAA have decided he is worth working with. On that note, I dont know that UAA needs to scare off possible collectors with four year old pictures ? worth discussing but thats my thought for this moment.
Guy beats his girlfriend and people still buy his art. This f**kingworld.
I dont know Saint. I wish things were this black and white to me .. it would make my life easier overall. Obviously no one is going to defend domestic assault. however, if you read the information about that event it came out as a mutually abusive situation - both parties harmed - both parties got their lawyers and they had it out. To that extent, at least here in America, after that you do your penance, do your time, pay your fine, and for most situations we try to get people back on track in their lives.
If Retna was beating up girls monthly or something as people try to portray here i think he would rightfully be in jail. but he isn't so, maybe this myth has grown a little larger than reality ? The basic fact that he isnt in jail means both parties moved on and that's what people do. if UAA crowd chose they could also find many pictures of Retna working with schools, children, working with Louis Vuitton, SF Ballet, galleries, etc .. so while he can be quite a clown on IG - some people who have a lot more power than use here on UAA have decided he is worth working with. On that note, I dont know that UAA needs to scare off possible collectors with four year old pictures ? worth discussing but thats my thought for this moment.
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New RETNA release 25th at random time at pta, by daveart on Jul 25, 2018 16:49:41 GMT 1, Despite the negative comments on price.. edition 300 Provocateurs prints are now pushing $3-4K. Any of the older larger prints are going to be double that at least. This is edition 30 and while it is smaller size i dont necessarily think it would make this more valuable if it were twice the size of a sheet of paper. to people saying he is going a new direction.. i think more homework is needed - this image has been used for many years and possibly even pre dates the caligraphy style that most people association Retna with. id have to check that myself. certainly he has used various styles in his art over the years..
quick google search will provide the answers. personally i dont see this as a good buy or a bad buy. could go up .. could go down.. from here so buy what you like.. but i dont think Retna is going away anytime soon
Despite the negative comments on price.. edition 300 Provocateurs prints are now pushing $3-4K. Any of the older larger prints are going to be double that at least. This is edition 30 and while it is smaller size i dont necessarily think it would make this more valuable if it were twice the size of a sheet of paper. to people saying he is going a new direction.. i think more homework is needed - this image has been used for many years and possibly even pre dates the caligraphy style that most people association Retna with. id have to check that myself. certainly he has used various styles in his art over the years..
quick google search will provide the answers. personally i dont see this as a good buy or a bad buy. could go up .. could go down.. from here so buy what you like.. but i dont think Retna is going away anytime soon
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Letter from Zehra Dogan - Banksy Instagram post, by daveart on Jul 24, 2018 13:50:28 GMT 1, I think you may be right Daveart, but it has been pointed out before this is known as the Banksy forum, it is very strange that we have Trump supporters here at all. And very surprising they go to so much effort to find articles and copy links etc...still maybe some people have a lot of free time.
I dont know, that's a little harsh for me .. around 63,000,000 people voted for Trump. (and without trump the world would be more focused on that brexit vote eh?) so, I am not going to spend time being angry at all 63mm of them and certainly don't think it invalidates them from enjoying viewing and enjoying art and participating in the forum. if anything, i hope they come here and see some diversity of thought and images etc.
Hey, i know trump is fun to bang on - he brings it on himself - but also agree there is a lot of chaos in the world so as an American the drum pounding does drag on a bit at times - but i understand the situation.
I think you may be right Daveart, but it has been pointed out before this is known as the Banksy forum, it is very strange that we have Trump supporters here at all. And very surprising they go to so much effort to find articles and copy links etc...still maybe some people have a lot of free time.
I dont know, that's a little harsh for me .. around 63,000,000 people voted for Trump. (and without trump the world would be more focused on that brexit vote eh?) so, I am not going to spend time being angry at all 63mm of them and certainly don't think it invalidates them from enjoying viewing and enjoying art and participating in the forum. if anything, i hope they come here and see some diversity of thought and images etc.
Hey, i know trump is fun to bang on - he brings it on himself - but also agree there is a lot of chaos in the world so as an American the drum pounding does drag on a bit at times - but i understand the situation.
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Copyright protection of graffiti art, by daveart on Jul 23, 2018 21:51:23 GMT 1, Legally has no effect on copyright. Technically artists could sue left and right for every mural or paste-up that's in an advert but it's not worth the time or money unless the art was a central feature of the campaign, which in turn provides the basis for the argument that the art has value, which is why the company used it in a commercial, and thus the artist should be compensated. Also tough to sue over an illegal work as you'd have to go on the record as a vandal...
isnt this a bit worrisome at some point as cities put up more and more murals.. is to stand in front of something and take a picture "to use it(the art)" - i would argue the car is the central figure in the campaign? this personally feels flimsy on the artists part and they actually incorporate so much corporate art into their pieces i cant see the pain they are actually having over this when art is simply in the background.. hate to be a travel brochure company with all the public art going up.. every photograph is a potential lawsuit.. eesh.. well anyway, no one's going to worry about my thoughts .. was just curious.
Legally has no effect on copyright. Technically artists could sue left and right for every mural or paste-up that's in an advert but it's not worth the time or money unless the art was a central feature of the campaign, which in turn provides the basis for the argument that the art has value, which is why the company used it in a commercial, and thus the artist should be compensated. Also tough to sue over an illegal work as you'd have to go on the record as a vandal...
isnt this a bit worrisome at some point as cities put up more and more murals.. is to stand in front of something and take a picture "to use it(the art)" - i would argue the car is the central figure in the campaign? this personally feels flimsy on the artists part and they actually incorporate so much corporate art into their pieces i cant see the pain they are actually having over this when art is simply in the background.. hate to be a travel brochure company with all the public art going up.. every photograph is a potential lawsuit.. eesh.. well anyway, no one's going to worry about my thoughts .. was just curious.
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Copyright protection of graffiti art, by daveart on Jul 23, 2018 21:29:51 GMT 1, As the resident UAA legal scholar I can attest that if the judge is sane, GM will lose, easily. Copyright only requires 1) Original artwork that is 2) Fix in a tangible medium of expression. Even this post is copyrighted because its "original" and "fixed" on the website so that y'all can read it. Copyright is actually a "bundle" of rights. Pertinent here are the exclusive right to display, right of reproduction, the right to create derivative works, and the right to distribute. Here, it seems like GM displayed the work in the ads, reproduced the work in the ads, arguable created a derivative by adding text/images, and distributed the work in different mediums. Its just a matter of damages, which would probably be whatever the market rate is for image licenses of this nature. Easy win for this artist, and good on him for enforcing his rights. #merica'
not in any way going to protect GM and i'll assume they can handle themselves. However to me it raises a questions - Many artists from Warhol on down to kaws, brainwash, banksy, etc have used corporate logos/images in their artwork and sold it on as their own copyrighted work. this case is selling cars which can never be confused for art and the art is not incorporated into the car or coopted by the car in any way - it simply resides in the background. on the other side, artists are taking art and literally incorporating it into other art and calling it their own. it seems to be in many cases the artists are behaving more poorly than the corporations.. the artist put art in a public space and then cries when it is actually seen in the background selling a different type of product ? i see their position but not the harm. i find this a bit strange so the question is - on what ground do artists incorporate corporate logos/images into their work without facing recourse - and why do people rally around artist when it reverses ?
As the resident UAA legal scholar I can attest that if the judge is sane, GM will lose, easily. Copyright only requires 1) Original artwork that is 2) Fix in a tangible medium of expression. Even this post is copyrighted because its "original" and "fixed" on the website so that y'all can read it. Copyright is actually a "bundle" of rights. Pertinent here are the exclusive right to display, right of reproduction, the right to create derivative works, and the right to distribute. Here, it seems like GM displayed the work in the ads, reproduced the work in the ads, arguable created a derivative by adding text/images, and distributed the work in different mediums. Its just a matter of damages, which would probably be whatever the market rate is for image licenses of this nature. Easy win for this artist, and good on him for enforcing his rights. #merica'
not in any way going to protect GM and i'll assume they can handle themselves. However to me it raises a questions - Many artists from Warhol on down to kaws, brainwash, banksy, etc have used corporate logos/images in their artwork and sold it on as their own copyrighted work. this case is selling cars which can never be confused for art and the art is not incorporated into the car or coopted by the car in any way - it simply resides in the background. on the other side, artists are taking art and literally incorporating it into other art and calling it their own. it seems to be in many cases the artists are behaving more poorly than the corporations.. the artist put art in a public space and then cries when it is actually seen in the background selling a different type of product ? i see their position but not the harm. i find this a bit strange so the question is - on what ground do artists incorporate corporate logos/images into their work without facing recourse - and why do people rally around artist when it reverses ?
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Letter from Zehra Dogan - Banksy Instagram post, by daveart on Jul 23, 2018 19:46:29 GMT 1, Ah hell. three pages of barf and still cant find the actual letter.. FFS. You all will not solve any international problems here ... be civil .. save your political science thesis paper for your family and friends at the holidays.. i am sure they are just all tingly with anticipation to hear your every opinion.
quick thought : NEVER HAS IT HAPPENED that someone changed their mind on a complex topic because someone over talked them in a conversation, called them names, and told them they were wrong.
Ah hell. three pages of barf and still cant find the actual letter.. FFS. You all will not solve any international problems here ... be civil .. save your political science thesis paper for your family and friends at the holidays.. i am sure they are just all tingly with anticipation to hear your every opinion.
quick thought : NEVER HAS IT HAPPENED that someone changed their mind on a complex topic because someone over talked them in a conversation, called them names, and told them they were wrong.
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For sale: Chevrier canvas, by daveart on Jul 17, 2018 19:15:57 GMT 1, Wowsa. that's a solid Chevrier right there...
Wowsa. that's a solid Chevrier right there...
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Portfolio Clear Out: Retna, Hayuk, Eelus, etc, by daveart on Jul 5, 2018 18:56:35 GMT 1, The gold version of Eastern Realm is easily the best print Retna has ever released IMO...there are not even any close seconds. GLWTS! Sangria gets my vote - but there is no loser in that debate- both fantastic
The gold version of Eastern Realm is easily the best print Retna has ever released IMO...there are not even any close seconds. GLWTS! Sangria gets my vote - but there is no loser in that debate- both fantastic
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Only one Retna's piece available in GROVE FINE ART!, by daveart on Jun 30, 2018 23:07:54 GMT 1, well that's a hefty price tag - $7500 USD ? GBP ? either way feels like it should be half that ? but people will pay what they will ..
note : stating price as the OP indicates they are interested in price proposals.
well that's a hefty price tag - $7500 USD ? GBP ? either way feels like it should be half that ? but people will pay what they will ..
note : stating price as the OP indicates they are interested in price proposals.
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Mr Brainwash Captain America , by daveart on Jun 30, 2018 13:37:28 GMT 1, come on guys.. its HAND FINISHED ! like ... HAND FINISHED !! omg omg .. whew.. hand finished..
ok.. but seriously..
did the concept of 'hand finished' just start with urban contemporary art - or whatever you want to call this stuff -
come on guys.. its HAND FINISHED ! like ... HAND FINISHED !! omg omg .. whew.. hand finished..
ok.. but seriously..
did the concept of 'hand finished' just start with urban contemporary art - or whatever you want to call this stuff -
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Ernest Zacharevic ๐ฑ๐น Penang, Malaysia Street Art , by daveart on Jun 28, 2018 17:26:21 GMT 1, At least he's got away from the whole pervy prepubescent kids /Rolf Harris thing. Thank you for making me not just LOL - but to actually - laugh out loud. I like EZ - the dude is an artist - ah PB dont be so grumpy - EZ is doing his thing just fine.. and you must have missed the new street piece in NYC - "Human Flow" .?? plenty of kids for you there.
At least he's got away from the whole pervy prepubescent kids /Rolf Harris thing. Thank you for making me not just LOL - but to actually - laugh out loud. I like EZ - the dude is an artist - ah PB dont be so grumpy - EZ is doing his thing just fine.. and you must have missed the new street piece in NYC - "Human Flow" .?? plenty of kids for you there.
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Ernest Zacharevic ๐ฑ๐น Penang, Malaysia Street Art , by daveart on Jun 28, 2018 17:13:41 GMT 1, I like Zacharevic's work and thought about this one as a nice piece but would rather hold onto the $1K for something else. In order for him to get attention in this forum he needs to throw some random tags because come on this is no cheetah covered in graffiti Thank you for making me not just LOL - but to actually - laugh out loud. I like EZ - the dude is an artist -
I like Zacharevic's work and thought about this one as a nice piece but would rather hold onto the $1K for something else. In order for him to get attention in this forum he needs to throw some random tags because come on this is no cheetah covered in graffiti Thank you for making me not just LOL - but to actually - laugh out loud. I like EZ - the dude is an artist -
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Urban Art Show - Iowa USA, by daveart on Jun 26, 2018 14:40:19 GMT 1, Love this!!! Especially having been born and raised in SE Iowa! ๐๐๐๐ it has been funny over the years buying hundreds of pieces of art and hearing "ship it where..... " yes, people, art exists everywhere.... even in Iowa.. ha.
Love this!!! Especially having been born and raised in SE Iowa! ๐๐๐๐ it has been funny over the years buying hundreds of pieces of art and hearing "ship it where..... " yes, people, art exists everywhere.... even in Iowa.. ha.
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