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Post by Andy'77 on Apr 17, 2012 10:13:44 GMT 1
I've three unsigned Banksy prints that have all been framed identically with conservation window mounts and UV glass. They been framed for around 3 or 4 years and have never been on a wall that receives sunlight.
As I'm selling two of the prints, I removed one last night to find that the paper had faded ever so slightly such that there is a very faint border where the mount covered the paper. It's barely noticeable but there all the same. The prints are 2 rats and a CND so are on the yellowy recycled paper, but I was surprised this has happened, should I have expected this?
I checked the CND and the same thing has happened. I'm planning on keeping the 2nd rat so will now get that float mounted.
Everything else I have is float mounted so it's only these three prints that are an issue. I've seen a number of these prints elsewhere with window mounts, has anyone else seen this occur?
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Post by Guest on Apr 17, 2012 10:27:19 GMT 1
I've three unsigned Banksy prints that have all been framed identically with conservation window mounts and UV glass. They been framed for around 3 or 4 years and have never been on a wall that receives sunlight. As I'm selling two of the prints, I removed one last night to find that the paper had faded ever so slightly such that there is a very faint border where the mount covered the paper. It's barely noticeable but there all the same. The prints are 2 rats and a CND so are on the yellowy recycled paper, but I was surprised this has happened, should I have expected this? I checked the CND and the same thing has happened. I'm planning on keeping the 2nd rat so will now get that float mounted. Everything else I have is float mounted so it's only these three prints that are an issue. I've seen a number of these prints elsewhere with window mounts, has anyone else seen this occur? Personally i had this with a print and it happend with a certain type of paper, Now i dont bother with exspensive frames and i dont have mounts least that way you never notice if they fade and cost you hell of a lot less , |
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Post by confused2 on Apr 17, 2012 10:28:35 GMT 1
There was a Barcode on eBay a while back that had exactly the same problem.
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Post by Andy'77 on Apr 17, 2012 11:08:52 GMT 1
It seems specific to this particular paper then. I've had other prints window mounted previously for about the same time length without UV glass with no problem at all. Barcode is the same paper as CND isn't it?
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Post by curiousgeorge on Apr 17, 2012 12:19:08 GMT 1
I noticed a HAND on ebay with the exact same issue
Are you 100% confident in the materials used? I open my frames once or twice a year and have not noticed this (always use TruVue Conservation Clear and Artcare Restore mounts)
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Post by Andy'77 on Apr 17, 2012 12:57:41 GMT 1
Yeah, I'm pretty confident. I checked the glass this morning. I believe that UV glass is orange when you look at the side edge where as normal glass is green (truvue is purple) so it appeared to be UV resistant although not TruVue. Having said that I've a Dolk Che that has been in a frame longer that the Banksy's which is the same type of paper that hasn't suffered the same fate. May have to have a word with my framer to be sure.
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Post by trevorm on Apr 17, 2012 16:48:49 GMT 1
Only slightly off topic - I picked up a Matt Small 'Ahmed' on ebay about 4 weeks ago for £21.20. It was described as damaged "it was stored flat and wrapped in tissue but the tape holding it flat has somehow stained the print... it is (sic) four wide brown lines across each of the four corners of the print" Otherwise, I reckon the print would be deemed mint.
I've taken the print out of the tube and allowed it to rest.
On a whim, as £21.20 isn't a huge amount to lose, I've left the print on my plan chest in pretty much direct sunlight, such as you get in SE London! I noticed after a couple of weeks that the bands of discolouration were 'fading' and with subsequent shuffling around are virtually non existent - perhaps with time they won't be apparent at all.
Go on....... try it with yer Banksy. I would/might.
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Post by Guest on Apr 17, 2012 16:54:19 GMT 1
Only slightly off topic - I picked up a Matt Small 'Ahmed' on ebay about 4 weeks ago for £21.20. It was described as damaged "it was stored flat and wrapped in tissue but the tape holding it flat has somehow stained the print... it is (sic) four wide brown lines across each of the four corners of the print" Otherwise, I reckon the print would be deemed mint. I've taken the print out of the tube and allowed it to rest. On a whim, as £21.20 isn't a huge amount to lose, I've left the print on my plan chest in pretty much direct sunlight, such as you get in SE London! I noticed after a couple of weeks that the bands of discolouration were 'fading' and with subsequent shuffling around are virtually non existent - perhaps with time they won't be apparent at all. Go on....... try it with yer Banksy. I would/might. BARGAIN |
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Post by trevorm on Apr 17, 2012 17:00:00 GMT 1
Only slightly off topic - I picked up a Matt Small 'Ahmed' on ebay about 4 weeks ago for £21.20. It was described as damaged "it was stored flat and wrapped in tissue but the tape holding it flat has somehow stained the print... it is (sic) four wide brown lines across each of the four corners of the print" Otherwise, I reckon the print would be deemed mint. I've taken the print out of the tube and allowed it to rest. On a whim, as £21.20 isn't a huge amount to lose, I've left the print on my plan chest in pretty much direct sunlight, such as you get in SE London! I noticed after a couple of weeks that the bands of discolouration were 'fading' and with subsequent shuffling around are virtually non existent - perhaps with time they won't be apparent at all. Go on....... try it with yer Banksy. I would/might. Well spotted 'Aitch' ;D BARGAIN |
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Post by iamzero on Apr 17, 2012 17:21:03 GMT 1
I think that the thing to remember is that the light is not the only thing that will fade a print, from what I've been told the general atmosphere will degrade artwork no matter how much money you throw at the framing.
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Post by Leftery on Apr 17, 2012 21:52:51 GMT 1
any smoking going on at all?
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Post by Andy'77 on Apr 17, 2012 22:33:59 GMT 1
Smoke free house and not placed above a radiator so shouldn't be excessive temperature or humidity changes. I assume as it's just where the mount wasn't covering the print it can only be a UV issue. I guess UV glass only stops 97% or something like that... Looked at the prints again and the border is barely even noticeable but glad I'm not leaving them in the mounts for another 4 years.
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Post by apprint on Jul 14, 2012 18:21:01 GMT 1
All the Print framed by art republic have the same problem, few years back they never used acid free to framed the print!
I had the same problem with lots of my prints
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Post by therivler1 on Jul 15, 2012 1:50:20 GMT 1
i purchased a rat with the same issue. covered by a mat now, so whatever.
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Post by kennyre317 on Oct 20, 2012 1:37:33 GMT 1
Only slightly off topic - I picked up a Matt Small 'Ahmed' on ebay about 4 weeks ago for £21.20. It was described as damaged "it was stored flat and wrapped in tissue but the tape holding it flat has somehow stained the print... it is (sic) four wide brown lines across each of the four corners of the print" Otherwise, I reckon the print would be deemed mint. I've taken the print out of the tube and allowed it to rest. On a whim, as £21.20 isn't a huge amount to lose, I've left the print on my plan chest in pretty much direct sunlight, such as you get in SE London! I noticed after a couple of weeks that the bands of discolouration were 'fading' and with subsequent shuffling around are virtually non existent - perhaps with time they won't be apparent at all. Go on....... try it with yer Banksy. I would/might. I had a similar experience with an aiko print that a seller listed as being slightly stained along the edges . Also left it out by the Window and the discoloration evened out where you wouldn't tell |
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Post by voodoo1967 on Nov 6, 2012 14:55:08 GMT 1
Do you know for sure that they were conservation standard mounts ? If bought off ebay - then the seller can say whatever they want, whereas if you buy from a shop (or their onlione shop) then at least you know they are selling lots of mounts - and so are far likely to be truthful. Conservation picture mounts will last for 300+ years are acid free etc. These guys do them www.cadremont.co.uk/shop/picture-mounts/ |
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