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pcant
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New POW Print Release, by pcant on Jan 4, 2012 21:16:18 GMT 1, Cool pics. I'm expecting a gold-haired Mao in the post soon (I hope), but nice to see more photos. Digging the original as well.
Cool pics. I'm expecting a gold-haired Mao in the post soon (I hope), but nice to see more photos. Digging the original as well.
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ABC
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New POW Print Release, by ABC on Jan 4, 2012 22:28:31 GMT 1, Not keen myself, Quality may be good, as always from POW but image certainly is not. IMO though.
Not keen myself, Quality may be good, as always from POW but image certainly is not. IMO though.
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New POW Print Release, by Richard Seabrooke on Jan 5, 2012 13:24:50 GMT 1, Just received my Paul Insect Mao print, could not be happier. Easily the best print I've got in the last year, beautifully printed and the size means it's going to look amazing on my walls!! DELIGHTED!!
Just received my Paul Insect Mao print, could not be happier. Easily the best print I've got in the last year, beautifully printed and the size means it's going to look amazing on my walls!! DELIGHTED!!
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basho
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New POW Print Release, by basho on Jan 6, 2012 0:57:40 GMT 1, Bloody horrible print IMO.
Speak your mind biggie
To be fair it's growing on me
Bloody horrible print IMO. Speak your mind biggie To be fair it's growing on me
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sfinks
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New POW Print Release, by sfinks on Jan 6, 2012 1:10:46 GMT 1, I almost bought it just because i liked to say: How now clown Mao
I almost bought it just because i liked to say: How now clown Mao
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Winter
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March 2007
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New POW Print Release, by Winter on Jan 6, 2012 1:21:17 GMT 1, The title's ok
The title's ok
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cadeallaw
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New POW Print Release, by cadeallaw on Jan 6, 2012 2:47:55 GMT 1, i like it
i like it
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misterx
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New POW Print Release, by misterx on Jan 6, 2012 2:54:21 GMT 1, Were the variants more $$$?? I like 'em too!
Were the variants more $$$?? I like 'em too!
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pcant
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New POW Print Release, by pcant on Jan 6, 2012 4:37:08 GMT 1, The variants were 400 GBP.
The variants were 400 GBP.
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misterx
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New POW Print Release, by misterx on Jan 6, 2012 5:33:28 GMT 1, Thanks.
Thanks.
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ABC
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New POW Print Release, by ABC on Jan 6, 2012 22:11:11 GMT 1, ยฃ400
ยฃ400
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pcant
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New POW Print Release, by pcant on Jan 11, 2012 8:52:23 GMT 1, A thought on flippers and such: For those who are not flippers, and wail and moan (myself included) at seeing all the newest releases hoovered up at cost and then flogged for too much money on eBay, the question always seems to be "how can they be stopped?" There's lots of suggestions about tracking numbers, reporting them to POW, etc... But think about the Dran Art Thief print. Each one was different, right? So can't POW then look at the sales on eBay, discern exactly who is selling each print and then blacklist them? No question about buyer X selling his or her print on, no worries about covering the number in pictures. Each one is known, so POW has a record of who flipped them, right? I mean, if they were to choose to do something about it. Or am I engaging in foolish daydreams?
A thought on flippers and such: For those who are not flippers, and wail and moan (myself included) at seeing all the newest releases hoovered up at cost and then flogged for too much money on eBay, the question always seems to be "how can they be stopped?" There's lots of suggestions about tracking numbers, reporting them to POW, etc... But think about the Dran Art Thief print. Each one was different, right? So can't POW then look at the sales on eBay, discern exactly who is selling each print and then blacklist them? No question about buyer X selling his or her print on, no worries about covering the number in pictures. Each one is known, so POW has a record of who flipped them, right? I mean, if they were to choose to do something about it. Or am I engaging in foolish daydreams?
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richskara
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New POW Print Release, by richskara on Jan 11, 2012 9:50:42 GMT 1, In my opinion (as someone who has never flipped I might add), once they have purchased the print it is their print to do with as they see fit.
If you miss out ... unlucky.
I am also sure that there would be some legality issues if POW or other galleries refused to sell their prints to certain buyes because they had sold them on on the secondary market.
In my opinion (as someone who has never flipped I might add), once they have purchased the print it is their print to do with as they see fit.
If you miss out ... unlucky.
I am also sure that there would be some legality issues if POW or other galleries refused to sell their prints to certain buyes because they had sold them on on the secondary market.
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Shoot Again
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New POW Print Release, by Shoot Again on Jan 11, 2012 10:12:04 GMT 1, A thought on flippers and such: For those who are not flippers, and wail and moan (myself included) at seeing all the newest releases hoovered up at cost and then flogged for too much money on eBay, the question always seems to be "how can they be stopped?" There's lots of suggestions about tracking numbers, reporting them to POW, etc... But think about the Dran Art Thief print. Each one was different, right? So can't POW then look at the sales on eBay, discern exactly who is selling each print and then blacklist them? No question about buyer X selling his or her print on, no worries about covering the number in pictures. Each one is known, so POW has a record of who flipped them, right? I mean, if they were to choose to do something about it. Or am I engaging in foolish daydreams?
This is just "daydream" IMO as the Gallery (POW) has no interest to do what you wish they would be doing ;-) Why ? Just read the very clever explanation given by our dear member Brushstrokes75...
"It's good business for the galleries.
People tend to forget that they galleries mostly make their money on OGs (or commissions and private dealings we don't know anything about) rather than via print release (even though they score big there as well).
The hype which is generated by the fact that most prints sell out in minutes (if not seconds) is good PR & cheap marketing. Prints sell out in second (they don't use any space in storage/quick turnorver). They get flipped for 2 or 3 times the selling amount which in the end help raises the artist profile/pricing.
For example, Dran's POW shows last year OG were probably around ยฃ3/ยฃ4K. This year they were probably ยฃ10K upward when prints remained around the same mark (mas o menos).
People don't like buying stuff that are lying around for a long time without anyone snapping it (they think something might be wrong with it).
Anyway, it's a virtuous cycle. It also helps the gallery get new artists under management as they are having a lot of successes with other artists in the past selling out.
Better for them to sell at those prices than sell for twice as much and not sell out straight away or at all"
A thought on flippers and such: For those who are not flippers, and wail and moan (myself included) at seeing all the newest releases hoovered up at cost and then flogged for too much money on eBay, the question always seems to be "how can they be stopped?" There's lots of suggestions about tracking numbers, reporting them to POW, etc... But think about the Dran Art Thief print. Each one was different, right? So can't POW then look at the sales on eBay, discern exactly who is selling each print and then blacklist them? No question about buyer X selling his or her print on, no worries about covering the number in pictures. Each one is known, so POW has a record of who flipped them, right? I mean, if they were to choose to do something about it. Or am I engaging in foolish daydreams? This is just "daydream" IMO as the Gallery (POW) has no interest to do what you wish they would be doing ;-) Why ? Just read the very clever explanation given by our dear member Brushstrokes75... "It's good business for the galleries. People tend to forget that they galleries mostly make their money on OGs (or commissions and private dealings we don't know anything about) rather than via print release (even though they score big there as well). The hype which is generated by the fact that most prints sell out in minutes (if not seconds) is good PR & cheap marketing. Prints sell out in second (they don't use any space in storage/quick turnorver). They get flipped for 2 or 3 times the selling amount which in the end help raises the artist profile/pricing. For example, Dran's POW shows last year OG were probably around ยฃ3/ยฃ4K. This year they were probably ยฃ10K upward when prints remained around the same mark (mas o menos). People don't like buying stuff that are lying around for a long time without anyone snapping it (they think something might be wrong with it). Anyway, it's a virtuous cycle. It also helps the gallery get new artists under management as they are having a lot of successes with other artists in the past selling out. Better for them to sell at those prices than sell for twice as much and not sell out straight away or at all"
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rowan
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New POW Print Release, by rowan on Jan 11, 2012 10:19:28 GMT 1, Although I disagree with flipping, at the end of the day you will never be able to stop it! Exactly the same with touting gig tickets!
Also you would be opening a massive can of worms if you started punishing certain people (and not others) for selling art... The problem would be; clearly and fairly defining what is and what is not a flipper!
Who is to say who is a flipper and who is not? Is it someone who sells a print a week after release just to make a profit or is it someone who buys a print purely just for profit but instead of selling it straight away, waits 6 months/a year? Both are exactly the same (are they not?)... Could/would you simply class a flipper as someone who makes profit from the sale of art sold over and above cost price?
Take a Banksy print for example, I have never seen one for sale at cost on the secondary market, which means that any sold are sold at profit! So therefore the seller is making a profit from his print, do these people have the right to complain at flipper or not, as they themselves have made profit from their art in exactly the same manor as a flipper, albeit after a longer period for time from print release to print sale (you'd hope)? And if they do then what is the acceptable period of time one goes from becoming a flipper to a genuine seller? 1 week, 6 months, a year, 5 years?
Itยกยฆs a very difficult subject and one which holds a lot of topics to discussยกK
Ideally all art would remain at cost price and anyone wishing to purchase that 'must have print' would then know exactly what they should expect to pay, but unfortunately thatยกยฆs not the world we live in! This would also raise a completely different issue, if people knew that this Banksy (other artists are available print they have just que'd 36 hours for was never going to increase in value, would they still make so much of an effort to acquire one? Perhaps, but perhaps not!
I buy art or arts sake, not because there is any financial gain to be made! I like to think that all art I own, will be with me until the day I die and what happens with it after that shall be left to the fates! However if I discover a piece which just consumes me and I have to have it and the only option I have of acquiring sed print would be to sell some of my existing art to fund the purchase, I as most other would take the maximum amount of money I could! Who wouldn't???
At the end of the day, you will never be able to stop flipping and unfortunately this is just a fact of life! The issue you really need to concern yourself with is a) Can I justify to myself, selling a piece of art at this price b) Can I justify to myself, buying a piece of art at this price!
Although I disagree with flipping, at the end of the day you will never be able to stop it! Exactly the same with touting gig tickets! Also you would be opening a massive can of worms if you started punishing certain people (and not others) for selling art... The problem would be; clearly and fairly defining what is and what is not a flipper! Who is to say who is a flipper and who is not? Is it someone who sells a print a week after release just to make a profit or is it someone who buys a print purely just for profit but instead of selling it straight away, waits 6 months/a year? Both are exactly the same (are they not?)... Could/would you simply class a flipper as someone who makes profit from the sale of art sold over and above cost price? Take a Banksy print for example, I have never seen one for sale at cost on the secondary market, which means that any sold are sold at profit! So therefore the seller is making a profit from his print, do these people have the right to complain at flipper or not, as they themselves have made profit from their art in exactly the same manor as a flipper, albeit after a longer period for time from print release to print sale (you'd hope)? And if they do then what is the acceptable period of time one goes from becoming a flipper to a genuine seller? 1 week, 6 months, a year, 5 years? Itยกยฆs a very difficult subject and one which holds a lot of topics to discussยกK Ideally all art would remain at cost price and anyone wishing to purchase that 'must have print' would then know exactly what they should expect to pay, but unfortunately thatยกยฆs not the world we live in! This would also raise a completely different issue, if people knew that this Banksy (other artists are available print they have just que'd 36 hours for was never going to increase in value, would they still make so much of an effort to acquire one? Perhaps, but perhaps not! I buy art or arts sake, not because there is any financial gain to be made! I like to think that all art I own, will be with me until the day I die and what happens with it after that shall be left to the fates! However if I discover a piece which just consumes me and I have to have it and the only option I have of acquiring sed print would be to sell some of my existing art to fund the purchase, I as most other would take the maximum amount of money I could! Who wouldn't??? At the end of the day, you will never be able to stop flipping and unfortunately this is just a fact of life! The issue you really need to concern yourself with is a) Can I justify to myself, selling a piece of art at this price b) Can I justify to myself, buying a piece of art at this price!
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eschiff
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New POW Print Release, by eschiff on Jan 11, 2012 10:52:28 GMT 1, flipping is good, allows people who didn't manage to get a print get one. Some people would rather pay twice the price then sit at a computer for 4 hours f5-ing. Capatalism is a good thing folks.
flipping is good, allows people who didn't manage to get a print get one. Some people would rather pay twice the price then sit at a computer for 4 hours f5-ing. Capatalism is a good thing folks.
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pcant
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New POW Print Release, by pcant on Jan 11, 2012 11:55:03 GMT 1, Yeah, I thought as much. And while yes, many good arguments have been made (once you buy it it's yours, capitalism is good, all that) you can't be pleased to see it happen. Or to see (or hear about) the organized gangs buying up lots of CYW prints in the queue last year. I'm fairly certain, while "legal," no one on here was pleased to see that happen, right? (at least, there was a whole lot of complaining and finger-pointing). I guess the flip side (sorry) is that I don't have to feel any sympathy for a flipper who guesses wrong and gets stuck with a boatload of prints that no one wants to buy. In fact, I think public disgrace and humiliation is a legitimate response. My only follow-up would be: Is this why people buy art? To make more money? Or do people buy art because they want to see it hang on their wall. Is one justification better? Maybe not "legally" but I do think one is more honorable. And yeah, clearly I'm nuts for believing this.
Yeah, I thought as much. And while yes, many good arguments have been made (once you buy it it's yours, capitalism is good, all that) you can't be pleased to see it happen. Or to see (or hear about) the organized gangs buying up lots of CYW prints in the queue last year. I'm fairly certain, while "legal," no one on here was pleased to see that happen, right? (at least, there was a whole lot of complaining and finger-pointing). I guess the flip side (sorry) is that I don't have to feel any sympathy for a flipper who guesses wrong and gets stuck with a boatload of prints that no one wants to buy. In fact, I think public disgrace and humiliation is a legitimate response. My only follow-up would be: Is this why people buy art? To make more money? Or do people buy art because they want to see it hang on their wall. Is one justification better? Maybe not "legally" but I do think one is more honorable. And yeah, clearly I'm nuts for believing this.
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chaserawr
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New POW Print Release, by chaserawr on Jan 11, 2012 16:08:27 GMT 1, Before there was demand for this type of art people were only buying for the image. Just like any type of collecting, cards, coins, stamps, when supply doesn't match demand prices will go up. If we (the people that actually want to hang the prints on our walls) didn't pay the inflated prices there wouldn't be any flippers.
Before there was demand for this type of art people were only buying for the image. Just like any type of collecting, cards, coins, stamps, when supply doesn't match demand prices will go up. If we (the people that actually want to hang the prints on our walls) didn't pay the inflated prices there wouldn't be any flippers.
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