I've been offered a gift print

[ukartdealer]

Been offered a Banksy Nola Gift print (White Nola).

Just wondering what people's perception of value for these are. Obviously no COA and its signed with a blind stamp.

Im only going to buy it if its rock bottom money but would be interested to see what people think about these gift prints.

[fingerz]

there was a thread with people's opinions on these but i cant seem to find it now

[kaisersosay]

Nothing wrong with a gift print, I don't think they are worth as much as the numbered addition. I would say it's worth maybe about a quarter or a third of what the numbered edition is.

[craigf]

If the price is right and even better you can trace back to who originally received it I'd not have a concern

[ukartdealer]

I agree but its got to be hundreds not thousands IMO

[trevorm]

Don't buy it. Whatever you do - don't buy, it's not worth the few hundred pounds you reckon it might be worth - stay away, but let me have the sellers details. Please!

[mouser]

I have one framed on my wall, came with full email trail from POW confirming it, but unable to supply COA for obvious reasons. I like it, know its kosher and looks good in a frame, didnt spend alot on it, but sits fine with me, due to having the confirmation. A great way of picking up a print for the wall, rather crap as a sellable comodity if its being bought to sell on.

[alexnh123]

VUS EVER

[rottenredrooster]

I personally wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Not keen on items that can't be verified even if there is strong stories and backlogs of where it came from.

Just my opinion of course.

[fingerz]

Jan 20, 2012 21:08:43 GMT 1 ukartdealer said:

Been offered a Banksy Nola Gift print (White Nola).

Just wondering what people's perception of value for these are. Obviously no COA and its signed with a blind stamp.

Im only going to buy it if its rock bottom money but would be interested to see what people think about these gift prints.

if you've just got this why you offering it up for sale on a different thread .... lol

[ukartdealer]

Because I'm a dealer and that's what dealers do - buy and sell!!

[fingerz]

Jan 21, 2012 16:10:17 GMT 1 ukartdealer said:

Because I'm a dealer and that's what dealers do - buy and sell!!

i see

[ilmambo]

Jan 21, 2012 16:10:17 GMT 1 ukartdealer said:

Because I'm a dealer and that's what dealers do - buy and sell!!

so dealing art is your business?
do you own a gallery?
where are you based?

[ukartdealer]

Hi, no it's a hobby and I'm based in staffordshire half the time, London the rest.

[ilmambo]

Jan 21, 2012 16:25:05 GMT 1 ukartdealer said:

Hi, no it's a hobby and I'm based in staffordshire half the time, London the rest.

so you're more like a flipper than a dealer. :p
oh well good luck selling on this forum...

[warmgun]

...at least he's honest about it I guess.

[chaserawr]

hes in for a world of hurt with that attitude on here. Good luck wheres the ignore button again?

Fair enough I say, at least he is being honest

around 70% ( according to the last poll) here are all undercover dealers

Come out of closet guys :-)

[shootagain]

You're an "art dealer" but come on this Forum to ask info about gift prints, boast about flipping and sell Bambi's sh8 Not sure I want to do any business with you, please stay away from me, no offence ;-)

can someone tell me what is the difference between an un authenticated gift print and a west country £55 print bar the obvious?? it has no resale value unless it has a COA. no auction houses and most galleries wont touch it, so where is the value?? i have had a gift print in the past yet it was authenticated by PC...so why can this one not be?? worth a quarter of the value?? i would say 1/10 without a COA....try selling it on as a dealer and you will struggle..

Jan 21, 2012 20:45:35 GMT 1 @dodomank01 said:

can someone tell me what is the difference between an un authenticated gift print and a west country £55 print bar the obvious?? it has no resale value unless it has a COA. no auction houses and most galleries wont touch it, so where is the value?? i have had a gift print in the past yet it was authenticated by PC...so why can this one not be?? worth a quarter of the value?? i would say 1/10 without a COA....try selling it on as a dealer and you will struggle..

I would say there would be a value to certain people if the paperwork trail, or a convincing enough story to back up that it was indeed signed by the guy

Not sure how it worked with other artists, current and previous, I would imagine Warhol, Dahli, Basquiat etc. must have gifted quite a few, are these all worthless? or was it dealt with a different way

the difference is there isnt the obsessiveness surrounding COA's for warhol Dali etc that there is surrounding Banksy and the urban Art scene in general....hence the fickleness of this market

Jan 21, 2012 21:26:01 GMT 1 @dodomank01 said:

the difference is there isnt the obsessiveness surrounding COA's for warhol Dali etc that there is surrounding Banksy and the urban Art scene in general....hence the fickleness of this market

Do you think that may change over time, say 20 years, as long as you have a decent back story things will be a bit different?

to be honest...no! i think this is the era of forgeries and very good fakes and people are looking more and more evidence of originality....trust me i know as someone that has been ripped off very recently....

[mouser]

Having been scammed in the past with a signed stamped print, bought with recipts etc ( before PC was set up), I agree with manty, that a good gift print with verifiable story will hold its own with time, they will never be worth the same as the recognised edition, but were never ment to be sold on in the first place, so rightly so.
There is a grey area that is open to exploitation by the unscrupulous, but that is the same for all prints. It'd be more sensible for a faker to create a signed, stamped piece with corresponding faked COA and risk not raising any questions than trying to pass off a gift as anything other than that, why try to fake a questionable print?

[Nuart 2013]

Jan 21, 2012 21:01:11 GMT 1 manty said:

Jan 21, 2012 20:45:35 GMT 1 @dodomank01 said:

can someone tell me what is the difference between an un authenticated gift print and a west country £55 print bar the obvious?? it has no resale value unless it has a COA. no auction houses and most galleries wont touch it, so where is the value?? i have had a gift print in the past yet it was authenticated by PC...so why can this one not be?? worth a quarter of the value?? i would say 1/10 without a COA....try selling it on as a dealer and you will struggle..

I would say there would be a value to certain people if the paperwork trail, or a convincing enough story to back up that it was indeed signed by the guy

Not sure how it worked with other artists, current and previous, I would imagine Warhol, Dahli, Basquiat etc. must have gifted quite a few, are these all worthless? or was it dealt with a different way

I'd say a good 80% of Banksy prints don't have a COA, why would they ? Everyone who bought at source knows their work is a Banksy and has the number registered with POW, when did they start issuing COA's, 2010 ?

If it has full provenance then COA is irrelevant, in the future COA's without provenance will probably be irrelevant too.

[sfinks]

I am trying to get a COA from Pest control for my Banksy 2003.
Case is still under consideration Would be nice to get it tho.

[johnnyh]

Gift prints do have a COA and can have but only for the person whose gift it was can have a COA. You cannot register a pass on.

So if I say it is my gift print then I can get a COA. If you buy it you can have a copy of my COA but you cannot be a regd owner at PC. neither can you get another COA as you are not the person it was gifted to.

Do not have one but this is my understanding of the system.

So it can affect resale as the print and if the print moves further down the chain.

However if you buy off someone who you know has been gifted. Get a good price and stick on your wall - top drawer.

There are also some real nice rarity gift prints out there as well.

I do not have a problem with UKartdealer trading as his/her title is pretty open. You can either deal or not deal thats everyones choice. She/He could have come on the site as allislove rather than openly as a trader so fairplay in my book. Similarly as with galleries they are trading also but it's open on their listing even if they are on personally

[shootagain]

Hi jonnyh, why don't you then buy a great Bambi from ukdealer and sell him a Banksy of yours and then tell us all about your experience with him sharing some feedback ... In normal circumstances I could be convinced to played the guinea pig but with a new member like ukdealer trying to sell us a Bambi print at £1,000 telling us it's a great deal, I'm sorry but ... I'M GONNA PASS ! ;-) Help yourself ;-)

[johnnyh]

Shootagain sorry mate do not have a go at me.
Whether he is a dealer or not he can put his bits up for sale.
Over priced never seen that on here before.
I have not done a deal with him not that it is any of your business.

But just for the record will tell you what happened.

I responded as is on the thread
He as well as a couple of people pm'd me.
Gave him a price he said would think about it .

In the mean time as per the thread I told him and everyone else not for sale.

So I do not know him have had no real dealings with him. PM's were pleasant.

So my Banksay thing is nothing to do with my comment above.
What I think is correct is that he is saying what he is and what he does.

Like most things on here if no one buys it will go down in price or to ebay.

Seen a lot of people using two names etc here
So sorry mate but not my problem and I think your comment was rude to be honest. PS do not want a Bambi at any price