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Post by craigf on Dec 6, 2011 22:57:48 GMT 1
The VAT is passed on to the government so the nice overseas buyers are helping to support our economy ;D
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Post by craigf on Dec 6, 2011 23:05:22 GMT 1
where does the xtra VAT go...ur pockets? I have bought from many galleries that charge inclusive VAT and have always received a refund...this reeks...I am done...not sure this is even legal for you to charge VAT to customers who obviously do not have to pay and you will not be transferring those fees over as tax...didn't buy the print...won't buy in the future It's bad business bottom line...as long as you feel comfortable with it...carry on If you run a business and do export goods you need to keep records of the goods leaving the country. Not everyone is set up to manage this and the revenue can audit you and go back seven years so there is a lot of paperwork required. They will have to pass the VAT over to the government it can't be kept as extra profit |
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Post by UmBongo on Dec 6, 2011 23:21:24 GMT 1
where does the xtra VAT go...ur pockets? I have bought from many galleries that charge inclusive VAT and have always received a refund...this reeks...I am done...not sure this is even legal for you to charge VAT to customers who obviously do not have to pay and you will not be transferring those fees over as tax...didn't buy the print...won't buy in the future It's bad business bottom line...as long as you feel comfortable with it...carry on If you run a business and do export goods you need to keep records of the goods leaving the country. Not everyone is set up to manage this and the revenue can audit you and go back seven years so there is a lot of paperwork required. They will have to pass the VAT over to the government it can't be kept as extra profit The document from a US member shown earlier in this thread showed the price at £480 with zeroes all the way down in the VAT column. Surely thats wrong, it should state VAT has been paid, no? |
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Post by dundun on Dec 7, 2011 0:02:13 GMT 1
Pretty sure I bought the original LV by Zevs and it was 200 + shipping. I didn't pay VAT.
That aside what is with the 2x price hike? I know it's got more colors but Zevs didn't all of a sudden get so big in 6months for a 2x price increase. That's just SHADY to price compared to the aftermarket prices. Money grab!!!
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Post by dundun on Dec 7, 2011 0:04:13 GMT 1
I used to live stateside and always paid the same price (including VAT) as folks in the UK for prints from POW and Black Rat when buying online. Don't see what the problem is, you see the price, you choose to buy it or you don't. Simple as that. I didn't get charged VAT for my Dran "Art Thief", nor any Banksy. Don't know what you're talking about. |
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Post by love on Dec 7, 2011 0:04:37 GMT 1
Heard Steve had a expensive trip to Miami.
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Post by winter on Dec 7, 2011 0:18:07 GMT 1
On a separate note I like that an artist decided to call himself 'Blood Sausage'
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Post by rottenredrooster on Dec 7, 2011 0:21:46 GMT 1
On a separate note I like that an artist decided to call himself 'Blood Sausage' hahah ;D |
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Post by Guest on Dec 7, 2011 0:30:24 GMT 1
Just seen these from my emails from Laz... Zevs | Liquidated Louis Vuitton (Multicolore) (2011) 70cm x 48cm 17-colour screen print on Arches 88 300gsm paper Edition of 50 signed by the artist £400 Invader | Invaded Scream (2011) 21cm x 31.5cm Woodcut on Fabriano Rosipina Avorio 285gsm paper Edition of 50 signed by the artist £280 So why the difference.......??? Invader =£280 ...Zevs =£480...same emails ....no mention of VAT.... poor form, he shoulda just taken the hit its not like he/they cant afford it charging those prices, gotta say laz has always pissed me off with its greedy attitude |
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Post by Guest on Dec 7, 2011 0:32:31 GMT 1
I used to live stateside and always paid the same price (including VAT) as folks in the UK for prints from POW and Black Rat when buying online. Don't see what the problem is, you see the price, you choose to buy it or you don't. Simple as that. I didn't get charged VAT for my Dran "Art Thief", nor any Banksy. Don't know what you're talking about. I didn't say you got charged VAT, I'm saying you paid exactly the same as someone in the UK would. If the Banksy print (I wish!) goes online at POW now for £500 you'll pay exactly that anywhere in the world, they will not refund the VAT. |
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Post by UmBongo on Dec 7, 2011 1:08:27 GMT 1
I used to live stateside and always paid the same price (including VAT) as folks in the UK for prints from POW and Black Rat when buying online. Don't see what the problem is, you see the price, you choose to buy it or you don't. Simple as that. I didn't get charged VAT for my Dran "Art Thief", nor any Banksy. Don't know what you're talking about. Did either of you pay the same price as UK/EU customers on your purchases? If so, was there anything about VAT on the invoice or just a total? |
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Post by otto71 on Dec 7, 2011 1:15:17 GMT 1
The Outsiders do not, nor have we ever had the facility for VAT free shopping online, and do not refund any VAT for online orders delivered to the Channel Islands or outside of the EU. The price you see on the website is inclusive of VAT, and is the price you will be charged wherever you live, just as it always has been. It's perhaps worth noting that this, we believe, is exactly the same protocol used by similar well known online galleries in their retailing of print editions. Anyone who purchased this print is of course welcome to a no-quibble full refund if they are in any way dissatisfied with our terms of service. We'd like to conclude by once again apologising for the typo regarding the price of this edition in our mailout of 3 days ago, it was not our intention to mislead or misrepresent the intended price of this edition. Scrooge strikes again! 1- Why should folks that do not live in the UK have to pay a VAT? 2-So you're saying that because 'similar well known galleries' do it, that's your reason for doing it? 3-If it was just a 'typo' on the email, why did your team reaffirm the £400 price on Twitter today? Seems MBW gave Steve a crash course in customer service while they were in Miami. |
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Post by sohohoho on Dec 7, 2011 1:38:04 GMT 1
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Post by lazk on Dec 7, 2011 1:40:51 GMT 1
The Outsiders do not, nor have we ever had the facility for VAT free shopping online, and do not refund any VAT for online orders delivered to the Channel Islands or outside of the EU. The price you see on the website is inclusive of VAT, and is the price you will be charged wherever you live, just as it always has been. It's perhaps worth noting that this, we believe, is exactly the same protocol used by similar well known online galleries in their retailing of print editions. Anyone who purchased this print is of course welcome to a no-quibble full refund if they are in any way dissatisfied with our terms of service. We'd like to conclude by once again apologising for the typo regarding the price of this edition in our mailout of 3 days ago, it was not our intention to mislead or misrepresent the intended price of this edition. This is your response? LOL. Really? Wow. Awesome. |
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Post by heathunter881 on Dec 7, 2011 1:52:40 GMT 1
which government organization can we report Outsiders to? charging international buyers VAT doesn't sit well with me. i wouldn't be surprised if auditors finds conflicting numbers in their books.
i can understand the pricing error (even though it sounds bs), but to charge the same price to international buyers and to local buyers is crossing the illegal line isn't it? why in the world do international buyers have to pay for VAT when we don't even live in the UK?
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Post by mmmike on Dec 7, 2011 2:01:11 GMT 1
If it is the case that you are collecting and submitting VAT then it should show that on the invoice so customers from out of the country can get their money back from the Gov.
This smells really stank!
I bought the print for a friend, if it was for me I would return it. Even though I'm sure there is enough demand that it wouldn't make a difference to you.
I guess I won't be shopping with Laz any time soon.
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Post by howies on Dec 7, 2011 2:06:05 GMT 1
I am sure most of these went OS which is a nice little bonus for LAZ as I'm sure they don't share the bonus VAT with Zevs, but in saying that I have only experienced one gallery in over 30 transactions refunding VAT or tax and that was RotoFugi in the US, So my experience is they are all doing it and have been for years, it just seems to have been made a big deal this time due to incorrect pricing on email.
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Post by sal on Dec 7, 2011 2:08:16 GMT 1
just to add my share to this heated discussion:
I live outside EU, and while Im regularly getting my VAT back through tax free on tech stuff, car parts, etc, I never got any money for the prints I bought.. doesn't matter if they were ordered online (POW, StolenSpace, etc), or in person and I took them on a plane (POW, NellyDuff, etc), I always paid the full price... same goes with galleries in Amsterdam.. I was told these items are under different marge (!?), and cause of that, they can't issue any tax refund..
hope that helps..
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Post by sohohoho on Dec 7, 2011 2:19:15 GMT 1
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Post by heathunter881 on Dec 7, 2011 2:35:13 GMT 1
considering it's close to Christmas and they pulled a price hike (or mistake), i think the entire VAT from international buyers needs to be refunded without any fuss. it's one thing if customers only spent £100, but at £480 Lazarides already pocketed enough for the holidays.
i don't think any US customers should stand for this either. i suggest requesting VAT refund or full refund of purchase.
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Post by sal on Dec 7, 2011 2:38:36 GMT 1
Nelly Duff do work out arrangements for refunding a portion for overseas buyers now that you mentioned, it COULD be that I worked something out with them (or was it that the owner was a very friendly guy).. but even if that's the case, from my experience that is one in don't-know-how-many... I would however love to hear if there is a way to do something about this, but from what I was told, I doubt... I actually believe there is a complicated way to do something, but since galleries are aware of the demand, they just go with NO.. and if you dont like it, the guy after you will buy it with no question asked.. |
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Post by misterx on Dec 7, 2011 2:41:09 GMT 1
Is it legal though??
that, dear Watson, is the question.
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Post by Signed And Numbered Studios on Dec 7, 2011 2:43:53 GMT 1
I just bought this earlier and noticed im being charged VAT... I live in California and have bought multiple prints ect from the UK and rest of the world and have NEVER been charged VAT! just ask DFace at stolenspace or POW or even shady ass old "Leonard street gallery" beejoir LV sculpture...they didnt charge me VAt neither!
I hope to be getting an email from them regarding this issue soon. Especially since someone has posted a link to the law and regulations regarding VAT in the UK !
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Post by mmmike on Dec 7, 2011 2:46:21 GMT 1
If it is the case that they can't separate out VAT and charge all VAT that would been both invoices would show VAT. Laz is just charging "outsiders" extra. Shady |
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Post by mmmike on Dec 7, 2011 2:47:48 GMT 1
I think someone needs to get audited.
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Post by artso on Dec 7, 2011 3:12:56 GMT 1
and I highly doubt they are turning over those funds to the taxman...they are not listing the VAT charge as VAT on the invoice to outside EU customers so in essence they are not charging outsiders VAT they are charging a different price...no VAT to give back...shady but not sure on legality...definitely not the right way no matter who is doing it...
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Post by mmmike on Dec 7, 2011 3:20:51 GMT 1
Is it legal though?? that, dear Watson, is the question. Legal or not I don't think it is ethical, or anyway to treat your customers. But yes I hope someone in the UK can check the legality and it would be interested to see if Laz's records with the tax man are on the up and up. |
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Post by mouser on Dec 7, 2011 4:14:01 GMT 1
Good greif, its hardly the end of the world, does it really warrant 7 pages?
I'd be just as interested to hear who reports profits made on selling prints on ebay to the tax man etc.....
How many of those who are up in arms about this actually bought or intended to buy one of these prints?
Write a letter of complaint to the Daily Mail and get on with living your life.
i know I've not bought anything through Laz for a while, but do know that I have been charged VAT on top of sale prices on some original / new pieces.
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Post by gentlemental on Dec 7, 2011 7:25:09 GMT 1
Pow charge everyOne a fixed price...
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Post by letiss on Dec 7, 2011 8:30:19 GMT 1
Overpriced at £400, an easy pass at £480.
At the Invader preview last week I was struck by the behaviour of the staff at the Outsiders. I had just forked out 280 notes on an Invader and then got one of their the much discussed waffles. I told them I was taking it home and I was accused by one member of staff who had just taken my money of going to sell the offending waffle on eBay. Whether that was my intention or not I can't think of any other business where you would be insulted after just spending such a significant amount of money. For that reason, I'll be thinking v. carefully before I buy from this outfit again.
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