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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by mmmike on Apr 13, 2011 14:21:33 GMT 1, mmmm now I really want to go to LA and see the show. How do I pull that off?
mmmm now I really want to go to LA and see the show. How do I pull that off?
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 14:22:13 GMT 1, Nice to see some passion on the topic.
Nice to see some passion on the topic.
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by Brushstrokes 75 on Apr 13, 2011 15:20:34 GMT 1, Tristan Manco & Laz doing a show at the Tate would be more interesting and relevant? Are you listening to yourself? Can Tristan Manco and Laz recreate Ramellzee's entire studio that has never been seen by anyone inside a museum, and that has been donated by Ramellzee's widow? Can anyone else other than the people involved track down and recreate the Fun Gallery with some of the earliest Basquiats, Harings, Dondis Lee's that no one has rarely seen all sourced from the personal collections of Henry Chalfant, Patty Astor, Martha Cooper etc? Can Tristan Manco & Laz pull together an exhibit on early Los Angeles Cholo gang Graffiti from the 70's and have Mr Cartoons insane customized Ice Cream truck on display? In London? come on mate please don't drag me into an argument I was not even making and channel your obvious gripe with whomever it is you're griping about elsewhere....
I don't want to be harsch and I know that this show is going to be amazing and historical for this movement and will give credit to the curators, however you just summed up yourself that it's all about access & money.
I expect no less for a museum like the MOCA to realize a big show like this. I will add that I think any major institution in the world could have pulled that out with this funding, it was just never attempted by anyone (I'll give credit to Deitch for that). He's surely not the first one being interested in doing a show like that but he's the first one with access to that kind of platform to intend to do so.
It's gonna be a big show no doubt about that but if you saw the Monet or Basquiat exhibtion last year (for example) you would see that other people could have pulled out something similar.
We will always remember this show as being the first one but there's no doubt that if it catch the attention of other major museums, we might have over show of the same caliber. The real major difference is that pulling a show like that in Paris for example would be a real nightmare because of the public local policy. Los Angeles is freeer in this way.
Hopefully, I'll be able to go and check it out myself and hopefully it will bring some new major shows abroad in the years to come.
Tristan Manco & Laz doing a show at the Tate would be more interesting and relevant? Are you listening to yourself? Can Tristan Manco and Laz recreate Ramellzee's entire studio that has never been seen by anyone inside a museum, and that has been donated by Ramellzee's widow? Can anyone else other than the people involved track down and recreate the Fun Gallery with some of the earliest Basquiats, Harings, Dondis Lee's that no one has rarely seen all sourced from the personal collections of Henry Chalfant, Patty Astor, Martha Cooper etc? Can Tristan Manco & Laz pull together an exhibit on early Los Angeles Cholo gang Graffiti from the 70's and have Mr Cartoons insane customized Ice Cream truck on display? In London? come on mate please don't drag me into an argument I was not even making and channel your obvious gripe with whomever it is you're griping about elsewhere....
I don't want to be harsch and I know that this show is going to be amazing and historical for this movement and will give credit to the curators, however you just summed up yourself that it's all about access & money. I expect no less for a museum like the MOCA to realize a big show like this. I will add that I think any major institution in the world could have pulled that out with this funding, it was just never attempted by anyone (I'll give credit to Deitch for that). He's surely not the first one being interested in doing a show like that but he's the first one with access to that kind of platform to intend to do so. It's gonna be a big show no doubt about that but if you saw the Monet or Basquiat exhibtion last year (for example) you would see that other people could have pulled out something similar. We will always remember this show as being the first one but there's no doubt that if it catch the attention of other major museums, we might have over show of the same caliber. The real major difference is that pulling a show like that in Paris for example would be a real nightmare because of the public local policy. Los Angeles is freeer in this way. Hopefully, I'll be able to go and check it out myself and hopefully it will bring some new major shows abroad in the years to come.
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by joeschmo on Apr 13, 2011 16:23:25 GMT 1, Its just another show in a fancy building, get over yourselves.
Its just another show in a fancy building, get over yourselves.
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easycraig
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by easycraig on Apr 13, 2011 16:43:21 GMT 1, thx 1138 - "i urge anyone that was born between 1965 and 1995 to make a pilgrimage to this ART MECCA!!!!"
damn, having missed the above birthing window... i guess you just freed up my weekend !
just joking of course..... wouldn't miss it for the world......
ec
thx 1138 - "i urge anyone that was born between 1965 and 1995 to make a pilgrimage to this ART MECCA!!!!"
damn, having missed the above birthing window... i guess you just freed up my weekend !
just joking of course..... wouldn't miss it for the world......
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by lee3 on Apr 13, 2011 16:47:13 GMT 1, Good read.
"All that being said, the MOCA show only tells one angle of the story/history....the most popular one..... and the one that most of us know all too well.... "
Pardon, but what is the angle it focuses on? I'm oblivious to the one we all know too well but am a slow learner. I'm getting more excited to see this as your enthusiasm is contagious. Still, whether it's awe inspiring work at face value to the viewer, there must be deeper undertones/context as well, no?
I'm hopeful that there is evidence of a fragmented narrative across many oeuvres or retelling of events since that is street art at its best to my mind. Given the artists and contributors framing this show, it's a very strong lineage dating back decades. I'm hopeful that it's more than a collection of one off works telling their own story and instead a collection of works in concert evidencing something much larger. Anyway, I'm very much looking forward to it, thanks for the insight.
Good read.
"All that being said, the MOCA show only tells one angle of the story/history....the most popular one..... and the one that most of us know all too well.... "
Pardon, but what is the angle it focuses on? I'm oblivious to the one we all know too well but am a slow learner. I'm getting more excited to see this as your enthusiasm is contagious. Still, whether it's awe inspiring work at face value to the viewer, there must be deeper undertones/context as well, no?
I'm hopeful that there is evidence of a fragmented narrative across many oeuvres or retelling of events since that is street art at its best to my mind. Given the artists and contributors framing this show, it's a very strong lineage dating back decades. I'm hopeful that it's more than a collection of one off works telling their own story and instead a collection of works in concert evidencing something much larger. Anyway, I'm very much looking forward to it, thanks for the insight.
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A.R.T.
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by A.R.T. on Apr 13, 2011 18:00:01 GMT 1, Its just another show in a fancy building, get over yourselves. I hope you are being sarcastic. You have to be a numbskull to think this is just another fancy show in a fancy building. This show is gonna be epic and it is gonna be talked about in the history books.
Its just another show in a fancy building, get over yourselves. I hope you are being sarcastic. You have to be a numbskull to think this is just another fancy show in a fancy building. This show is gonna be epic and it is gonna be talked about in the history books.
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 20:27:06 GMT 1, "the feeling and emotions that I felt walking around the space were akin to a 5yr old kid walking around Disneyland for the first time".
Still thinking this one over.
"the feeling and emotions that I felt walking around the space were akin to a 5yr old kid walking around Disneyland for the first time".
Still thinking this one over.
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by BK83 on Apr 13, 2011 21:18:45 GMT 1, Katsu's piece should have stayed. painting over it ignores the very premise of the show. Shameful. First Blu gets buffed, and now this? Embarrassing to say the least.
Katsu's piece should have stayed. painting over it ignores the very premise of the show. Shameful. First Blu gets buffed, and now this? Embarrassing to say the least.
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Art-el
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by Art-el on Apr 13, 2011 21:53:47 GMT 1, Katsu's piece should have stayed. painting over it ignores the very premise of the show. Shameful. First Blu gets buffed, and now this? Embarrassing to say the least.
Fuuly agreed. A pussy decision. Course it should of stayed
Katsu's piece should have stayed. painting over it ignores the very premise of the show. Shameful. First Blu gets buffed, and now this? Embarrassing to say the least. Fuuly agreed. A pussy decision. Course it should of stayed
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by theleveller on Apr 13, 2011 22:14:23 GMT 1, Fully agree.... the guys a business man, not an art lover... the blu buff was a disgrace, then to black ball him...fucking corporate t**t! Anyone have a link to the youtube vid of him kicking off when some guy accidently knocked into him? That was funny! He's a wanker and this show is a sad sell out, only because he's involved....!
Fully agree.... the guys a business man, not an art lover... the blu buff was a disgrace, then to black ball him...fucking corporate t**t! Anyone have a link to the youtube vid of him kicking off when some guy accidently knocked into him? That was funny! He's a wanker and this show is a sad sell out, only because he's involved....!
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Bram
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by Bram on Apr 13, 2011 22:21:26 GMT 1, maybe he will make a re-appearance........
maybe he will make a re-appearance........
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by theleveller on Apr 13, 2011 22:31:27 GMT 1, Hopefully.... but I very much doubt it.
Hopefully.... but I very much doubt it.
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by illu on Apr 13, 2011 22:56:46 GMT 1, maybe he will make a re-appearance........
would be nice, also I doubt it
maybe he will make a re-appearance........ would be nice, also I doubt it
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by otomi on Apr 13, 2011 23:52:14 GMT 1, the book is pretty good - from the early days till today not only street art of graff the show should be great - i do not understand all the hate against it
katsu is just robbo all over again - sure they should have left it and maybe also have a few legal walls for everyone
the book is pretty good - from the early days till today not only street art of graff the show should be great - i do not understand all the hate against it
katsu is just robbo all over again - sure they should have left it and maybe also have a few legal walls for everyone
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by speebe on Apr 14, 2011 0:41:01 GMT 1, the book is pretty good - from the early days till today not only street art of graff the show should be great - i do not understand all the hate against it katsu is just robbo all over again - sure they should have left it and maybe also have a few legal walls for everyone
I don't think Katsu and Robbo have the same motivation behind their work.
I do however worry about the feeding frenzy that surrounds commercially viable artists, this seems to be the motivating concern for the organisers of MOCA. However... it does create a fantastic platform for those involved... Sad it couldn't be more inclusive and really reflect the 'street' aspect without ยฃ$ยฃ$ยฃ$ยฃ$ยฃ$ยฃ spoiling the fun.
A Catch22 situation though!
the book is pretty good - from the early days till today not only street art of graff the show should be great - i do not understand all the hate against it katsu is just robbo all over again - sure they should have left it and maybe also have a few legal walls for everyone I don't think Katsu and Robbo have the same motivation behind their work. I do however worry about the feeding frenzy that surrounds commercially viable artists, this seems to be the motivating concern for the organisers of MOCA. However... it does create a fantastic platform for those involved... Sad it couldn't be more inclusive and really reflect the 'street' aspect without ยฃ$ยฃ$ยฃ$ยฃ$ยฃ$ยฃ spoiling the fun. A Catch22 situation though!
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by chaserawr on Apr 14, 2011 0:54:30 GMT 1, Unfortunately I feel like if theres an opportunity to make some $$$, it will be exploited to its fullest extent.
Unfortunately I feel like if theres an opportunity to make some $$$, it will be exploited to its fullest extent.
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illu
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by illu on Apr 14, 2011 0:55:28 GMT 1, sad but true
sad but true
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by Gentle Mental on Apr 14, 2011 2:07:52 GMT 1, Cuz Faile's with a competitor's gallery..... yup pretty glaring...
Cuz Faile's with a competitor's gallery..... yup pretty glaring...
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by ilmambo on Apr 14, 2011 10:10:29 GMT 1, sure they should have left it and maybe also have a few legal walls for everyone
It's curious that they did a last-minute call to RIME to paint a new piece on the wall where the Katsu piece was buffed, as if they wanted to say "Sorry Katsu your piece was buffed because this wall was for RIME..."
sure they should have left it and maybe also have a few legal walls for everyone It's curious that they did a last-minute call to RIME to paint a new piece on the wall where the Katsu piece was buffed, as if they wanted to say "Sorry Katsu your piece was buffed because this wall was for RIME..."
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by joeschmo on Apr 14, 2011 11:17:00 GMT 1, again I will say: There has never been a show...museum or otherwise with this caliber of talent and historic scope with regards to Graffiti/Street Art anywhere in the world...EVER" I just hope that this show doesn't spawn a slew of bastardized lesser versions of itself in random other museums around the world.....sort of like how after Bonhams first Urban Art auction every auction house jumped on the wagon and started milking the 'Urban Art' cow.....until they got blood....but I have a sneaking suspicion that the cultural impact that will be created by this exhibit will cause ripples for many years to come....it is inevitable.
I'm sorry but your posts are too smug for me to deal with. There has been a place where this much amazing art has been shown, its called the Street, the good old public streets, its shown there with a lot less smugness and pretence as well.
I still can't get over the ''Bastardised lesser versions''. Yes it will be a great show, but it all seems a bit fake and contrived to me.
Also going over the KATSU was way out of order, who ever went over it should have known better but I guess was too excited to be part of this reach around fest.
No Faile is also a sad loss.
again I will say: There has never been a show...museum or otherwise with this caliber of talent and historic scope with regards to Graffiti/Street Art anywhere in the world...EVER" I just hope that this show doesn't spawn a slew of bastardized lesser versions of itself in random other museums around the world.....sort of like how after Bonhams first Urban Art auction every auction house jumped on the wagon and started milking the 'Urban Art' cow.....until they got blood....but I have a sneaking suspicion that the cultural impact that will be created by this exhibit will cause ripples for many years to come....it is inevitable. I'm sorry but your posts are too smug for me to deal with. There has been a place where this much amazing art has been shown, its called the Street, the good old public streets, its shown there with a lot less smugness and pretence as well. I still can't get over the ''Bastardised lesser versions''. Yes it will be a great show, but it all seems a bit fake and contrived to me. Also going over the KATSU was way out of order, who ever went over it should have known better but I guess was too excited to be part of this reach around fest. No Faile is also a sad loss.
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by Prescription Art on Apr 14, 2011 11:23:20 GMT 1, My guess is that Faile / Bast / Supine / WK Interact will be in the New York version of the show...
My guess is that Faile / Bast / Supine / WK Interact will be in the New York version of the show...
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by artylang on Apr 14, 2011 12:46:52 GMT 1, Martin, you lost me at laz brother. That guy has ruined as many careers as he blossomed. He may have an eye but he is more money hungry than anyone who put on this show by a country mile.
Martin, you lost me at laz brother. That guy has ruined as many careers as he blossomed. He may have an eye but he is more money hungry than anyone who put on this show by a country mile.
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by artylang on Apr 14, 2011 12:51:43 GMT 1, Jeffrey Deitch, regardless of what has happened in the recent past has supported this scene since before most of you were born in a way that very few, if any at all could have. There would be none of these competing "street galleries" if there were no Deitch Projects.
Jeffrey Deitch, regardless of what has happened in the recent past has supported this scene since before most of you were born in a way that very few, if any at all could have. There would be none of these competing "street galleries" if there were no Deitch Projects.
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by joeschmo on Apr 14, 2011 13:16:56 GMT 1, There would be none of these competing "street galleries" if there were no Deitch Projects.
Do you really believe this?
There would be none of these competing "street galleries" if there were no Deitch Projects. Do you really believe this?
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by anewspace on Apr 14, 2011 15:03:12 GMT 1, Well I'd say Arron Rose Alledged Gallery really turned Deitch on to what was happening and then he took it to another level by funding the shows
Well I'd say Arron Rose Alledged Gallery really turned Deitch on to what was happening and then he took it to another level by funding the shows
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by highinla on Apr 14, 2011 19:20:12 GMT 1, ^ the only true and valid statement on this entire page.
^ the only true and valid statement on this entire page.
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by Deleted on Apr 14, 2011 20:47:11 GMT 1,
Lord that looks good.
Thanks for sharing Mr. F.
Lord that looks good. Thanks for sharing Mr. F.
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MOCA "Art in the Streets" Until 8th August, by theleveller on Apr 14, 2011 20:49:24 GMT 1, Nice... where's the flat traffic warden? Any new bits or just a rehash of bristol? EDIT: I see the standing red indian... any more? EDIT EDIT: Thanks Fragile.
Nice... where's the flat traffic warden? Any new bits or just a rehash of bristol? EDIT: I see the standing red indian... any more? EDIT EDIT: Thanks Fragile.
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