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pow damaged prints, by wezzley on Jul 10, 2007 14:51:05 GMT 1, when will they learn to pack prints properly...!
a cheap as chips print comes from sos with extra tissue & bubble wrap to protects ends, whereas a ยฃยฃยฃ print comes from pow with no protection at all, and smashed up ends....whats all that about?!
I love them dearly & all that, but please guys, just a bit of extra measures to protect the ends 
when will they learn to pack prints properly...! a cheap as chips print comes from sos with extra tissue & bubble wrap to protects ends, whereas a ยฃยฃยฃ print comes from pow with no protection at all, and smashed up ends....whats all that about?! I love them dearly & all that, but please guys, just a bit of extra measures to protect the ends |
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pow damaged prints, by BONGO on Jul 10, 2007 15:45:37 GMT 1, BONGO GOT CRUSHED FAILE TUBE THIS WEEK
BONGO SAD
BUT BONGO HAPPY WHEN HE SEE PRINT IS UNDAMAGED INSIDE
BONGO GOT CRUSHED FAILE TUBE THIS WEEK
BONGO SAD
BUT BONGO HAPPY WHEN HE SEE PRINT IS UNDAMAGED INSIDE
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pow damaged prints, by bobbymeachamjr on Jul 10, 2007 15:53:45 GMT 1, when will they learn to pack prints properly...! a cheap as chips print comes from sos with extra tissue & bubble wrap to protects ends, whereas a ยฃยฃยฃ print comes from pow with no protection at all, and smashed up ends....whats all that about?! I love them dearly & all that, but please guys, just a bit of extra measures to protect the ends
well it seems its like they do the "take it or leave it" attitude. With banksy on their side they feel like they dont have to put any extra effort in. It'll come back to haunt them when people come back to reality and quality matters. Got my first print from Blak rat press = all class. Last banksy from pow = all worries.
when will they learn to pack prints properly...! a cheap as chips print comes from sos with extra tissue & bubble wrap to protects ends, whereas a ยฃยฃยฃ print comes from pow with no protection at all, and smashed up ends....whats all that about?! I love them dearly & all that, but please guys, just a bit of extra measures to protect the ends well it seems its like they do the "take it or leave it" attitude. With banksy on their side they feel like they dont have to put any extra effort in. It'll come back to haunt them when people come back to reality and quality matters. Got my first print from Blak rat press = all class. Last banksy from pow = all worries. |
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pow damaged prints, by bonesy on Jul 10, 2007 17:18:36 GMT 1, It amazes me that they dont even use simple kraft paper to wrap the print in. I guess we should be somewhat pleased though, until last year they didnt even use the tissue paper. $10,000 prints crossing the ocean without even tape around the endcaps.......
It amazes me that they dont even use simple kraft paper to wrap the print in. I guess we should be somewhat pleased though, until last year they didnt even use the tissue paper. $10,000 prints crossing the ocean without even tape around the endcaps.......
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pow damaged prints, by babyford on Jul 10, 2007 17:23:13 GMT 1, The print I got today from Kinseyvisual was very well wrapped with Do not crush on outside. Well done Kinseyvisual.
The print I got today from Kinseyvisual was very well wrapped with Do not crush on outside. Well done Kinseyvisual. |
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pow damaged prints, by Ripper1331 on Jul 10, 2007 17:23:44 GMT 1, Tissue paper is the worst thing for shipping prints in. Kraft paper doesn't look as nice but it grips the print and prevents it from sliding and is strong enough to prevent damage if the print slides around in the tube.
Ideally the kraft paper should be just shorter than the tube so that there is little or no room to slide around in shipping.
Tissue paper is the worst thing for shipping prints in. Kraft paper doesn't look as nice but it grips the print and prevents it from sliding and is strong enough to prevent damage if the print slides around in the tube.
Ideally the kraft paper should be just shorter than the tube so that there is little or no room to slide around in shipping.
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pow damaged prints, by mcnuts on Jul 10, 2007 17:24:22 GMT 1, It amazes me that they dont even use simple kraft paper to wrap the print in. I guess we should be somewhat pleased though, until last year they didnt even use the tissue paper. $10,000 prints crossing the ocean without even tape around the endcaps.......
they have been getting better with the last round of banksy's though imho. i imagine b/c of comments/complaints from here as well. they do read the board 
It amazes me that they dont even use simple kraft paper to wrap the print in. I guess we should be somewhat pleased though, until last year they didnt even use the tissue paper. $10,000 prints crossing the ocean without even tape around the endcaps....... they have been getting better with the last round of banksy's though imho. i imagine b/c of comments/complaints from here as well. they do read the board |
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pow damaged prints, by bobbymeachamjr on Jul 10, 2007 17:32:42 GMT 1, better? come on its embarrassing. If it wasnt banksy frenzy they would be a considered a joke. Nobody would buy s*hit if they knew theres a very good chance that their print would come damaged...
better? come on its embarrassing. If it wasnt banksy frenzy they would be a considered a joke. Nobody would buy s*hit if they knew theres a very good chance that their print would come damaged...
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pow damaged prints, by corblimeylimey on Jul 10, 2007 17:41:33 GMT 1, Last time they even ran out of spares for replacement, and needed to print some more, what a hassle, would of been easier just to of packed better in the first place.
Last time they even ran out of spares for replacement, and needed to print some more, what a hassle, would of been easier just to of packed better in the first place.
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pow damaged prints, by jam on Jul 10, 2007 17:50:19 GMT 1, Last time they even ran out of spares for replacement, and needed to print some more, what a hassle, would of been easier just to of packed better in the first place.
Thats what it really comes down to. I own a couple businesses and I think its ludicrous, this business of replacements in favor of better packing. Consider all the time in employee pay hours POW waste receiving damaged prints and sending replacements alone... and on top of that factor in the replacement cost per piece and shipping for the replacement. It would be easier, and cheaper, to pack them like SOS or BRP in the first place... the cost of the tubes would easily be absorbed by the surplus created in cutting wasted time! Customers would also be happier... I just dont get it.
Last time they even ran out of spares for replacement, and needed to print some more, what a hassle, would of been easier just to of packed better in the first place. Thats what it really comes down to. I own a couple businesses and I think its ludicrous, this business of replacements in favor of better packing. Consider all the time in employee pay hours POW waste receiving damaged prints and sending replacements alone... and on top of that factor in the replacement cost per piece and shipping for the replacement. It would be easier, and cheaper, to pack them like SOS or BRP in the first place... the cost of the tubes would easily be absorbed by the surplus created in cutting wasted time! Customers would also be happier... I just dont get it. |
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pow damaged prints, by Johnston America on Jul 10, 2007 17:53:17 GMT 1, my faile arrived damaged today too, smashed end..
my faile arrived damaged today too, smashed end..
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pow damaged prints, by bonesy on Jul 10, 2007 18:18:14 GMT 1,
Of a limited edition run....... sketchy, sketchy 
Of a limited edition run....... sketchy, sketchy |
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pow damaged prints, by corblimeylimey on Jul 10, 2007 18:37:24 GMT 1, Of a limited edition run....... sketchy, sketchy
The damaged one's will be destroyed and the replacements numbered the same, the edition will still be limited to the same number.
You've mentioned this quite a few times haven't you bonesy? rest assured the ltd edition is that, the spares are only for replacement, POW have a superb record on this.
Of a limited edition run....... sketchy, sketchy The damaged one's will be destroyed and the replacements numbered the same, the edition will still be limited to the same number. You've mentioned this quite a few times haven't you bonesy? rest assured the ltd edition is that, the spares are only for replacement, POW have a superb record on this. |
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pow damaged prints, by hankpank on Jul 10, 2007 18:40:10 GMT 1, my faile arrived damaged today too, smashed end..
I wonder what they'll do with replacements for this as it is printed in USA by Faile and I think that I saw in photos that it was numbered both by Faile on front and by POW on back . Can anyone confirm?
my faile arrived damaged today too, smashed end.. I wonder what they'll do with replacements for this as it is printed in USA by Faile and I think that I saw in photos that it was numbered both by Faile on front and by POW on back . Can anyone confirm? |
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pow damaged prints, by bobbymeachamjr on Jul 10, 2007 18:43:58 GMT 1, Of a limited edition run....... sketchy, sketchy
EXACTLY - this whole scene has a lot of shady s*hit going on. Maybe POW is totally honest but it used to be that prints and editions from artists were meticulously monitored. An edition of 100 meant theres only 100 out there + the A/Ps and P/Ps. There was no "reprinting" BS.
Of a limited edition run....... sketchy, sketchy EXACTLY - this whole scene has a lot of shady s*hit going on. Maybe POW is totally honest but it used to be that prints and editions from artists were meticulously monitored. An edition of 100 meant theres only 100 out there + the A/Ps and P/Ps. There was no "reprinting" BS. |
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pow damaged prints, by dave313perry on Jul 10, 2007 19:12:52 GMT 1, OK THEN!!! il start off the defence of POW!!!
I think considering the quantities and huge demands of purchases that POW get when a Banksy is released they do a good job! it is slightly worrying that they send such valuable prints in average tubes! and in the world of packaging their tubes arnt that bad at all! they are thicker than SOS tubes but longer, which weakens them obviously but they should be able to withstand the postal service. maybe employees of the postal service are wise to what POW tubes are now, and find it fun jumping on them!?!?!? iv seen some increadable undercover programs on the royal mail, and the amount of corruption and lack luster service is unbelieveable!!! 
You should try putting weights ontop of the tubes and see how long it takes to crush, im sure you would be surprised, maybe im a weed but i cant crush one with my hands! (ok yeah i am a weed! ;D)
ALSO!... the production value of the prints are probably about 8-10quid!!! thats with packaging and printing time!!!! so paying an extra ยฃ5 per print on P&P multiplied by prints in a banksy release = ยฃ5k roughly speaking obviously! and that for a company could be a third of a receptionists yearly wage!!!
Imagion the amount of e-mails they have to trawl through and how many replacements there was for the Morons release - no wonder they had to reprint some!!! they are a business and no business would print 200 extra just incase they need to replace them! a business is about efficiency, granted slightly thicker tubes could ensure they wernt crushed but the tubes they use should be fine!!
and IMO lots of the replacements were because people dont know how to get them out the pissin tubes!!! 
Anyway slightly off point i think it is great how POW have remained so professional regarding contact with buyers, although they are forum members it would be so temting for alot of underhand dealings as there are alot of rich people hovering around, but to my knowledge this is little, to none!
Iv not seen or heard of any preferencial treatment and no promises so big thumbs up for that! ;D
I think POw are as fair and legit as any other out there
Discuss an pick the bones out of that one! ;D ;D
Dave
OK THEN!!! il start off the defence of POW!!! I think considering the quantities and huge demands of purchases that POW get when a Banksy is released they do a good job! it is slightly worrying that they send such valuable prints in average tubes! and in the world of packaging their tubes arnt that bad at all! they are thicker than SOS tubes but longer, which weakens them obviously but they should be able to withstand the postal service. maybe employees of the postal service are wise to what POW tubes are now, and find it fun jumping on them!?!?!? iv seen some increadable undercover programs on the royal mail, and the amount of corruption and lack luster service is unbelieveable!!! You should try putting weights ontop of the tubes and see how long it takes to crush, im sure you would be surprised, maybe im a weed but i cant crush one with my hands! (ok yeah i am a weed! ;D) ALSO!... the production value of the prints are probably about 8-10quid!!! thats with packaging and printing time!!!! so paying an extra ยฃ5 per print on P&P multiplied by prints in a banksy release = ยฃ5k roughly speaking obviously! and that for a company could be a third of a receptionists yearly wage!!! Imagion the amount of e-mails they have to trawl through and how many replacements there was for the Morons release - no wonder they had to reprint some!!! they are a business and no business would print 200 extra just incase they need to replace them! a business is about efficiency, granted slightly thicker tubes could ensure they wernt crushed but the tubes they use should be fine!! and IMO lots of the replacements were because people dont know how to get them out the pissin tubes!!! Anyway slightly off point i think it is great how POW have remained so professional regarding contact with buyers, although they are forum members it would be so temting for alot of underhand dealings as there are alot of rich people hovering around, but to my knowledge this is little, to none! Iv not seen or heard of any preferencial treatment and no promises so big thumbs up for that! ;D I think POw are as fair and legit as any other out there Discuss an pick the bones out of that one! ;D ;D Dave |
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pow damaged prints, by snakes on Jul 10, 2007 19:18:16 GMT 1, my faile arrived damaged today too, smashed end..
Whats the deal going to be with the smashed Faile prints seeing as they were printed in New York and even have the number of the print and date printed on the back aswell!
my faile arrived damaged today too, smashed end.. Whats the deal going to be with the smashed Faile prints seeing as they were printed in New York and even have the number of the print and date printed on the back aswell! |
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pow damaged prints, by dave313perry on Jul 10, 2007 19:21:17 GMT 1, my faile arrived damaged today too, smashed end.. Whats the deal going to be with the smashed Faile prints seeing as they were printed in New York and even have the number of the print and date printed on the back aswell!
Good question, if they wernt shit printers then there might not be that problem!
tongue firmly in cheek!! ;D ;D ;D
my faile arrived damaged today too, smashed end.. Whats the deal going to be with the smashed Faile prints seeing as they were printed in New York and even have the number of the print and date printed on the back aswell! Good question, if they wernt shit printers then there might not be that problem! tongue firmly in cheek!! ;D ;D ;D |
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pow damaged prints, by corblimeylimey on Jul 10, 2007 19:36:55 GMT 1, Iv not seen or heard of any preferencial treatment and no promises so big thumbs up for that! ;D Dave
Well done for trying to put that to the test ;D let me know if you get 2 Trolley Hunters (I'll have one)
Iv not seen or heard of any preferencial treatment and no promises so big thumbs up for that! ;D Dave Well done for trying to put that to the test ;D let me know if you get 2 Trolley Hunters (I'll have one) |
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pow damaged prints, by mwjm0 on Jul 10, 2007 19:38:14 GMT 1, my faile print arrived this morning with one end destroyed and no cap. the print luckily was more at the other end of the tube. strange how the same thing is happening to people. i buy loads online from all over the world and have never had a similar problem. the tube is pretty sturdy and it would take some doing to damage the tube the way mine was, i wonder if someone is trying to sabotage things.
my faile print arrived this morning with one end destroyed and no cap. the print luckily was more at the other end of the tube. strange how the same thing is happening to people. i buy loads online from all over the world and have never had a similar problem. the tube is pretty sturdy and it would take some doing to damage the tube the way mine was, i wonder if someone is trying to sabotage things.
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pow damaged prints, by wezzley on Jul 10, 2007 19:47:50 GMT 1, lol, there's no conspiracy theory mwjm, just that there is no protection for the ends of the print....every other gallery uses card or brown paper or bubble wrap to protect the ends...pow use nada
dont get me wrong, they do good art cheap & are very good in dealing with returns...I just cant help thinking it would be easier to pack them better in the first place - I've had to return quite a few now!
I'd pay more in the p&p for a better packing job - after all it costs me ยฃยฃ every time I have to post it back to them with insurance..
lol, there's no conspiracy theory mwjm, just that there is no protection for the ends of the print....every other gallery uses card or brown paper or bubble wrap to protect the ends...pow use nada dont get me wrong, they do good art cheap & are very good in dealing with returns...I just cant help thinking it would be easier to pack them better in the first place - I've had to return quite a few now! I'd pay more in the p&p for a better packing job - after all it costs me ยฃยฃ every time I have to post it back to them with insurance.. |
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pow damaged prints, by dave313perry on Jul 10, 2007 19:53:03 GMT 1, thought i would try and get some positivity going! seems like too much sulking and moaning! with good cause i might add!!
i suppose im speaking as someone whos worst damage was a small crease on an unsigned faile bunny boy which when framed isnt noticable!! so it didnt bother me!
As for the trollies CBL iv got three on order, hand finished ;D
thought i would try and get some positivity going! seems like too much sulking and moaning! with good cause i might add!! i suppose im speaking as someone whos worst damage was a small crease on an unsigned faile bunny boy which when framed isnt noticable!! so it didnt bother me! As for the trollies CBL iv got three on order, hand finished ;D |
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pow damaged prints, by dave313perry on Jul 10, 2007 19:55:15 GMT 1, Wonder what would happen if you received a damaged Banksy, sent it them back unsigned/ uninsured - would they still send you another! i doubt it personally, maybe somebody knows? that would be too dodgy!!
Wonder what would happen if you received a damaged Banksy, sent it them back unsigned/ uninsured - would they still send you another! i doubt it personally, maybe somebody knows? that would be too dodgy!!
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pow damaged prints, by corblimeylimey on Jul 10, 2007 20:03:02 GMT 1, Wonder what would happen if you received a damaged Banksy, sent it them back unsigned/ uninsured - would they still send you another! i doubt it personally, maybe somebody knows? that would be too dodgy!!
Supposing you send back an empty tube insured and to sign for, but say you're sending back your damaged (not really) banksy. 
Wonder what would happen if you received a damaged Banksy, sent it them back unsigned/ uninsured - would they still send you another! i doubt it personally, maybe somebody knows? that would be too dodgy!! Supposing you send back an empty tube insured and to sign for, but say you're sending back your damaged (not really) banksy. |
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pow damaged prints, by dave313perry on Jul 10, 2007 20:07:56 GMT 1, Maybe we should stop suggesting such naughtyness!!! else santa wont bring any presents!
Maybe we should stop suggesting such naughtyness!!! else santa wont bring any presents!
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bonesy
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pow damaged prints, by bonesy on Jul 10, 2007 20:27:33 GMT 1, Of a limited edition run....... sketchy, sketchy The damaged one's will be destroyed and the replacements numbered the same, the edition will still be limited to the same number. You've mentioned this quite a few times haven't you bonesy? rest assured the ltd edition is that, the spares are only for replacement, POW have a superb record on this.
I feel very strongly that the integrity of a limited edition print should come first and foremost. Printing up extras after the fact I do not agree with. Replacing damaged prints with a "clean" print having the same number I dont agree with (I know Im in the minority). Once an edition is numbered that should be it. I know they replace shipping damages but I also know they have unnumbered unmarked older prints laying around the office.
Someone in another thread stated POW was nice enough to replace a damaged print 8 months after he purchased it, completely ridiculous.
I apologize if Im being negative but with the amount of money many of us invest in these limited print runs Im surprised more people arent bothered by the looseness of POWs printing and numbering practices.
Of a limited edition run....... sketchy, sketchy The damaged one's will be destroyed and the replacements numbered the same, the edition will still be limited to the same number. You've mentioned this quite a few times haven't you bonesy? rest assured the ltd edition is that, the spares are only for replacement, POW have a superb record on this. I feel very strongly that the integrity of a limited edition print should come first and foremost. Printing up extras after the fact I do not agree with. Replacing damaged prints with a "clean" print having the same number I dont agree with (I know Im in the minority). Once an edition is numbered that should be it. I know they replace shipping damages but I also know they have unnumbered unmarked older prints laying around the office. Someone in another thread stated POW was nice enough to replace a damaged print 8 months after he purchased it, completely ridiculous. I apologize if Im being negative but with the amount of money many of us invest in these limited print runs Im surprised more people arent bothered by the looseness of POWs printing and numbering practices. |
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pow damaged prints, by rob123rob on Jul 10, 2007 20:39:55 GMT 1, The last three prints I've bought and received:
Blek le Rat - Homeless in Paris - Black Rat Press (unbelievable packaging, mint print, no damage)
Beejoir - u/s LV Child - SOS - Damage-free, mint condition, amazing print and condition.
Banksy - Sepia Morons - POW - had to return it becausae of three different spots of damage..(and still have yet to receive my replacement!!!)
And guess which one cost the most?
The last three prints I've bought and received:
Blek le Rat - Homeless in Paris - Black Rat Press (unbelievable packaging, mint print, no damage)
Beejoir - u/s LV Child - SOS - Damage-free, mint condition, amazing print and condition.
Banksy - Sepia Morons - POW - had to return it becausae of three different spots of damage..(and still have yet to receive my replacement!!!)
And guess which one cost the most?
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pow damaged prints, by dave313perry on Jul 10, 2007 21:07:34 GMT 1, Its not so much the relplacement prints that bother me regarding investments, but prints that change hands and lose all record of provenance, and the fact that these prints can be replicated to the point they are impossible to seperate so so easily 
Thats the reason i wouldnt invest thousands upon thousands, otherwise i would have by now!
Its not so much the relplacement prints that bother me regarding investments, but prints that change hands and lose all record of provenance, and the fact that these prints can be replicated to the point they are impossible to seperate so so easily Thats the reason i wouldnt invest thousands upon thousands, otherwise i would have by now! |
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pow damaged prints, by CHAMB on Jul 10, 2007 21:13:12 GMT 1, I've purchased a few prints from POW over the past years, I live in the US, and never had any sort of problems.
I've purchased a few prints from POW over the past years, I live in the US, and never had any sort of problems.
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pow damaged prints, by rob123rob on Jul 10, 2007 21:20:45 GMT 1, Of course some people will have problems and some people won't, but knowing that they are shipping out some art that most of us consider to be quite important, they are really not making the same kind of effort in shipping safety that the other major art sellers are.
Of course some people will have problems and some people won't, but knowing that they are shipping out some art that most of us consider to be quite important, they are really not making the same kind of effort in shipping safety that the other major art sellers are.
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