IP Tracking and Server spamming

[jfury]

artcritic said:

It seems that they do when they are about to put up a print, but not all the time

....how do you know that...another email or you spoke to Dora?

[artcritic]

I was forwarded an e-mail, then spoke to her, she did not seem to understand the concept, just what she had been told I suppose

[spirit]

cocteau101 said:

I'm a government information security consultant - near impossible and highy improbable, another load of bollocks from POW.

are you really Malcolm from spooks ;D

[Daniel Silk]

hmmmmm I dont think so

[jfury]

artcritic said:

I was forwarded an e-mail, then spoke to her, she did not seem to understand the concept, just what she had been told I suppose

fair enough

[dotdot]

I for one can say this is totally possible.

You have a web page.
You have an impression downloaded to a user. (as updated in the log for http).They're using IIS i think.

You scan for thier ip address - log it.

Then later you run a report on who accessed the page.
You then filter out the big hitters.
Update your config to disallow them from accessing the page.
..review later - notice less traffic to site.
Run report - confirm less 'big hitters'.
Review after a few weeks and possibly - yes possibly - turn off software.

..Not really surprised people - honestly are we ?
We all agree they HAD to do something. This will help make the process fairer. Making those who are lucky - just that.


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dotdot said:

I for one can say this is totally possible.

You have a web page.
You have an impression downloaded to a user. (as updated in the log for http).They're using IIS i think.

You scan for thier ip address - log it.

Then later you run a report on who accessed the page.
You then filter out the big hitters.
Update your config to disallow them from accessing the page.
..review later - notice less traffic to site.
Run report - confirm less 'big hitters'.
Review after a few weeks and possibly - yes possibly - turn off software.

..Not really surprised people - honestly are we ?
We all agree they HAD to do something. This will help make the process fairer. Making those who are lucky - just that.


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So - the people who don't get the prints are the people that have invested the most time and resource in getting one...? I hear Laz are doing the same sort of thing - if you travel to the gallery and queue in s**t conditions you don't get a print.

Oh, they already did that..

[®at]

By saying this, they have now alerted people using such software to now go via a proxy...

More smoke and mirrors bollocks.

How about buying less booze/drugs and buying a decent server, and just releasing the f**king print... its been a year FFS

[Daniel Silk]

This is POW we are talking about! Its Shoreditch, not Area 51 ;D

I'm on a 100 Mbit line and I get ip numbers within a certain range. I think the range is for the flats in my building. So if I was hammering their site they could ban the ip number range. But if you're on ADSL and connected to a big ISP it would be almost impossible to ban you as you easily could get a new IP from a very big range.

They could also use cookies to track and ban a computer. Not a problem to delete for a user, but a lot of people would'nt know the reason or the solution for the ban.

[Michael Jacob]

i think its crap! if its such an issue, why dont they just do the lottery like they mentioned upteen months ago. that would settle everything.

[cocteau101]

It possible but requires a degree of configuration and anyway if you unplug your router you'll get a new dynamic ip plus a lot of people will be accessing from a proxy with network address translation.

Also if that is so do we really want to f**king about with POW anymore, it's becoming a nonsense all these bizarre tactics.

r

? how in practice would this work? How would you decide who has has looked too many times prior to a release? If a release comes out, the server goes down and everyone f5's for a couple of hours till it comes back are they all banned?

call me a cynic but this is just a well crafted ruse to make people think twice about how they check....

[cocteau101]

fasteddie said:

I'm on a 100 Mbit line and I get ip numbers within a certain range. I think the range is for the flats in my building. So if I was hammering their site they could ban the ip number range. But if you're on ADSL and connected to a big ISP it would be almost impossible to ban you as you easily could get a new IP from a very big range.

They could also use cookies to track and ban a computer. Not a problem to delete for a user, but a lot of people would'nt know the reason or the solution for the ban.

You jammy bastard!

crazyjake said:

i think its crap! if its such an issue, why dont they just do the lottery like they mentioned upteen months ago. that would settle everything.

Or.....as wild alternative to site monitoring software and a way of preventing it, they could just give a date for big releases. A date and the correct time (god help them if they do the release after the clocks go back). I know, I know, a radical idea and perhaps too 20th century. But it may catch on.

[cloudnine]

fasteddie said:

I'm on a 100 Mbit line and I get ip numbers within a certain range. I think the range is for the flats in my building. So if I was hammering their site they could ban the ip number range. But if you're on ADSL and connected to a big ISP it would be almost impossible to ban you as you easily could get a new IP from a very big range.

They could also use cookies to track and ban a computer. Not a problem to delete for a user, but a lot of people would'nt know the reason or the solution for the ban.

Holy s**tto.. i thought you only got speeds like that in japan

[themightyreds]

This all sounds like a bunch of baloney to me...
If its true then why not put it on the homepage?

[dmandpenfold]

where's artcritic gone, new member today, puts the cat amongst the pidgeons and then buggers off....

[dotdot]

linenbasket said:

By saying this, they have now alerted people using such software to now go via a proxy...

More smoke and mirrors bollocks.

How about buying less booze/drugs and buying a decent server, and just releasing the f**king print... its been a year FFS

The software at this stage if it's worth it's salt will - yes spot this as well.

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[spencerlee]

themightyreds said:

This all sounds like a bunch of baloney to me...
If its true then why not put it on the homepage?

Because everyone rushing to see the message would probably bring the server down......

[artcritic]

Sorry been for a cuppa, as for 100Mbps that will only be the internal network speed, gigabit technology is used in many networks nowadays, his external bandwidth will be less. Most new routers/switches are gigabit, it just means using duplex cabling (all the canbles strands in a standard network cable instead of just two pair)

[frank11]

mcnuts said:

crazyjake said:

i think its crap! if its such an issue, why dont they just do the lottery like they mentioned upteen months ago. that would settle everything.

Or.....as wild alternative to site monitoring software and a way of preventing it, they could just give a date for big releases. A date and the correct time (god help them if they do the release after the clocks go back). I know, I know, a radical idea and perhaps too 20th century. But it may catch on.

Stop it with these crazy ideas!!

So in a nutshell, a "new member" who knows the way we talk here and that we're all here today for trollies has enough of an in to not only talk to POW in person but to be the only one to get a mail so we all panic and stop checking the site
























I smell fish

[cloudnine]

I just pressed F5 100 times in a row.. I haven't been sent to the headmsters office yet

[njr911]

insite said:

I smell fish

Sorry, I had kippers for breakfast

It seems absurd to block people that just want to invest in something you're selling, and have advertised the sale in such a vague fashion.
They can't start blocking people that F5 in desperation because they want one print... and who all know that the site does crash, the only sure fire tactic to obtaining a print is to keep refreshing.

It's ridiculous notion.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you POW.

[peasant]

notitle said:

so EVERYONE who wants a print is banned from getting one.

they're asking us all to pop on the site when we've received the email? hmm.... I'll take my chances with a little bit of refreshing.

Me too...not least because the last two releases were notified by email after they had sold out.

Why don't POW just say when they are going to release a print, then we'll all leave them alone until the time....dead simple...no need for secret squirrel tactics. If they were better organised they wouldn't have these problems.IMO

[artcritic]

You have been given the info, its up to you what you do with it or whether you believe it? you have been warned!

cloudnine said:

Holy s**tto.. i thought you only got speeds like that in japan

...and Sweden

peasant said:

notitle said:

so EVERYONE who wants a print is banned from getting one.

they're asking us all to pop on the site when we've received the email? hmm.... I'll take my chances with a little bit of refreshing.

Me too...not least because the last two releases were notified by email after they had sold out.

Why don't POW just say when they are going to release a print, then we'll all leave them alone until the time....dead simple...no need for secret squirrel tactics. If they were better organised they wouldn't have these problems.IMO

Exactly!

They give us no idea when a release will happen and THEY ASK US to keep checking the site, their email is useless cos they've sold out by time it arrives.

If they gave an exact time and date for all the releases that month at the beginning of the month (perhaps with pics of the prints and prices) and actually released at those times they'd be no need for all this F5ing and site monitoring etc.